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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby tazraven » Sat May 12, 2007 5:00 am

Ok, so onto another slightly long and quote-filled feedback. First things first… Awesome chapter.

My dreams were rather… intimate but as my girl was about to reach the pinnacle of our passion she would turn her face to gaze at me and her joy would dissolve into horror and pain.


Alright, so I feel like kicking Tara, again. Barely a page in and already her overt denial of Dani’s night-not-be-love is driving me crazy. I really wish this girl would wake up and smell the disillusionment.

If my companions noticed my taking more of the herbs from yesterday, they did not mention it and I saw no glances between them. Normally I eschew herbs and other intoxicating substances but my sleep had been restless and I could not afford another morning spent in the company of demons. I cut the valerian dose in half to allow myself to stay awake but limit my emotionality.


So, I definitely agree with Diane here. Tara needs to lay off the herbs. That can’t be good for her health, and I really don’t think an ether-like induced state is the best way to approach her situation. One again, it’s like she realizes what’s going on at this point, almost. She’s almost there, but her denial of the situation doesn’t help anyone, and it’s just going to make her realization all the more painful the more time she spends rejecting it.

What did I discover from this investigation? That my exertions, my efforts and affections toward Dani seemed much greater than hers and that she was acting in our love much as a servant would act in her relationship with her Mistress… I felt unreasonably uncomfortable acknowledging the imbalance in our relationship. Moreover, I questioned whether it was possible to separate our “work” relationship from our personal one. Was it possible that our personal relationship was, in fact, merely part of our “work” relationship?


I laughed here. I really did. Not even kidding. So, she feels uncomfortable realizing that Dani acted as a servant in their relationship and Tara as her mistress? Gee, she felt uncomfortable about that? My want to kick Tara in the behind just got upgraded to a swift slap in the back of the head. That’s it. Right there. There’s the realization, and she can’t even take the responsibility to full experience it. I bet those herbs didn’t help, but still. I guess it was too much to hope that she actually understand what she’d been doing to Dani beyond merely naming the severe offense.

Alright, I’m not going to quote that entire exchange between Tara and Tadre, but something needs to be said about it. So, people know, that’s obvious. And while Tadre is of a lower rank, she still is in a position to be able to ask Tara about her relationship frankly. Now, here’s what I wonder. Tadre basically said that Tara and Dani make a good couple, and that Dani would be with Tara for always. Is that just what she sees as an outside observer? Is there something more to it? If Dani is allowed to talk to anyone, is it possible she’s talked to Tadre about their relationship? Who’s right, I wonder. Tadre, and her optimistic viewpoint of their love, or Tara and her slow realization that Dani does not love her the same. Maybe it’s in the middle. I’m not sure, and to be honest, only Dani can answer that question.

Master Angel seemed to remove all sunlight and joy from his surroundings. He wore dark clothes and hulked above me but kept his eyes on my neck or feet throughout our short and dull exchange. He was, without a doubt, the most morose and broody man I’ve ever met. I wondered if allowing children to bounce balls off his high forehead would even gain his attention for he seemed possessed by a demon and unable to truly interact. When not fixating on my neck, he seemed fixated on Anne and muttered to himself as if I were not present.


Just had to quote that part. Lmao Debra.

…when my most shameful realization struck me like a bolt of light from the Creator.

She was not just without defense against the magic of the Lords. She was without defense against me. Against my wishes and desires. Against my passion for her.


So Tara just had her Aha! moment. Well, I say thank the goddess. This was a long time coming. Though I do have the same question Diane does. Dani has her own magic, so is she really defenseless against the magic of the marks? If she is defenseless, well then their relationship is a servant serving her mistress, and any love Dani feels for Tara is purely coincidental. But, if Dani can resist the mark magic, well then I actually see a little, slight, very dim glimmer of hope. It’s not much, but if Dani is able to resist the mark magic, then that means that maybe part of her relationship with Tara is actually her choice. Then again, maybe she can resist, but it took so much force of will that she gave up resisting. But who knows, I sure as hell don’t. Though I do find it interesting that the first time they “made love” was right after Tara got her marks. I’m not sure if that means anything, since Dani didn’t have hers at the time, but still. Eh, I give up on my wild speculations. They rarely lead me to good places.

She was beaming as she approached and she reined Hope to a stop next to me, leaning across to stroke my face with the palm of her hand. “I don’t know where your companions are, My Lady, but I am grateful to them for their absence.” And then her lips were upon mine and her arms were around me and she had pulled herself from her horse to mine and I realized this is going to be much harder than I planned.


Alright, I couldn’t help it, but the image of Dani riding up to Tara in a flurry of dust and then kissing her made me smile. Damn my aversion to Willow and Tara goodness, no matter how screwed up it is. Anyways, now that my obvious love for vicarious smoochies is out of the way, Tara’s in a bit of a bind, isn’t she. She loves Dani, yet has to let her go. Wants to free her of her marks, but can’t help but wonder whether or not Dani would ever return. All I can say is that if I were Dani, and I had been taken advantage of, I don’t think I’d be sticking around. But hey, maybe I’m wrong and Dani is in love with Tara, but I don’t think it’s going to be that easy. While I’m very happy Tara has finally come to some very important realizations, I have to say I’m still disappointed in her. It’d be nice if she actually got Dani’s input about what she’s planning to do, rather then just decide herself. Another great chapter, Debra. Definitely looking forward to the next one.

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby grimlock72 » Sun May 13, 2007 8:23 am

Valerian root won't kill or hurt Tara physically, trust me :) What it (and all calming meds really) does is surpress the urgency of a mental problem. The problem doesn't get solved, it's just less 'visible' so to speak. Which is fairly fitting for Tara since that has been her behaviour anyway :) The idea is that you can then work on solving it yourself but I fear that will be difficult for Tara since Dani is around her again now.

The most important question I noted from this update is that appearantly higher-marked people have magically influence over lower-marked servants? Basically a free-for-all with some level-checks? If that is so, why the need for bonding servants at all?? (hmm.. really should re-read this thread since I have the feeling I've asked this before)

Tara should stay away from Dani more often, it clears her head. She seems unable to think past "Dani loves me" when Dani is actually around.

Did I misread this or was it really a snide remark towards Delia?
(and I'm not sure that Delia would have been offended had they)


Why does Tara think Lord Finn wants to force himself onto Dani? She seems to think that by default of any sufficiently marked Lord though..:D

Now could Dani have 'defended' herself against any Lord on said party? We can't know that for sure, yes she CAN do magic herself but would she WANT to? Bringing shame onto the MaClay estate and all that.. Dani is very loyal servant after all. It would have been fun to watch though, ZAP!.. ;-)

Am I the only one to see a rather R-rated double-meaning in this line?
"something you've eaten hasn't agreed with you."
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The way Tara comes to her realisation and to exactly WHAT realisation she comes doesn't matter that much to me. Just as long as she comes to some conclusion which involves seperating love and bonded-servants. Her reasoning isn't perfect in this case but at least she's starting to think about such things, which is good. I just hope it doesn't go to waste now she's seeing Dani again. Tends to overrule her judgement a lot :)

Speaking of love, why did Tadre say this:
"It is fortunate that you will have her companionship and love always."


The companionship part is easy, since it's forced and Tadre did the bonding herself. The love part is more worriesome, surely Tadre knows that doesn't go with bonding very well? Or does their society have another concept of 'love' as a whole??

Chances are that if Tara doesn't start actually TALKING with Dani, none of her well intentioned actions will be well received by Dani (compare the delaying of taking her marks). Dani has never been anything else her entire life than a servant for Tara, doing anything else (even wanting to do anything else in itself) will be strange for her.

That's assuming we're all guessing the message to Tadre correctly of course :D Tara might just have asked if she could marry her mark-bound servant, would be the ideal wife :party

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JustSkipIt » Thu May 17, 2007 2:29 pm

Second Fig – Congrats! Hopefully you’ll add some other comments?

CSpotGo – Hi and welcome. Nope, didn’t double post.
This is such an exquisitely written story - an epic tale.
Thank you. Sometimes I think took epic. Tee hee.

I think you make an excellent point that if Tara were truly such a monster she wouldn’t be thinking about whether she is a monster. She would be like, “hey. It’s my right and she doesn’t protest…”

Is there any way to pursuade you, once you finish this tale, to revisit it and let us in on what's going on in Dani's head?
Thanks for asking. I won’t rewrite these events but the sequel will be narrated by Dani alone and she will reflect on these events enough to give you an idea. I think some of them will be quite amusing.

Thank you for writing such a beautiful, well-detailed and passionate/emotion tale.[/quote Again you’re welcome and thanks for your feedback.

WolfDragonGod – Thanks so much for your comments. I’m glad you like it so much and that it brings up such a range of emotions.

db – Hello.
Tara has come to the awfullest awfullest conclusion -- and she is right, they *do* have to become un-bound if they are ever to have a relationshio.... but she is *so* flawed. Is she even going to ask Dani how she feels? Is she going to share her worries and her concerns and approach this, finally, like equals?!
Damn. That would be really great wouldn’t it? But I’m not sure it’s in her character. At the same time, I think that I may spend a good part of these replies defending Tara somewhat. Let’s imagine that Tara did ask Dani what she wanted. How could she trust that answer? I mean if Tara is right that Dani is acquiescing to their sexual relationship because of the magic and because she is bound to be a “good servant” then wouldn’t she say that when asked and not want to be freed (if that is, in fact, Tara’s intention). If Dani does/says what she believes Tara wants and she knows that Tara is in love with her (which would be obvious no matter what), wouldn’t she say that she doesn’t want to be freed and wants to go on as they are?

I will say, I like the glowering though. That will probably work.

*hugs her real fierce like*
That will probably help even more.

I know it's right to sever the marks. I just... I am afraid that despite the honor-boundness of her decision, despite the rightfully deep shame that Tara feels, despite *everything* that she is somehow going to *again* enforce this decision on Dani without the input that Dani deserves to have -- and Dani is going to be deeply, horribly hurt.
Good thinking. More to come on this…

I think that, maybe, Dani *wants* to be Tara's mark bound servant... I am not sure that *Dani* isn't just as flawed in that respect -- I think she has it all ingrained in her to have this sweet deal where she gets to have this amazing place in this world and be in the arms of the woman she loves...
Damn. I think you’re very much on to something here. Again, I don’t want to give away too much of the next update but I think it’s possible and likely that Dani does very much so want to be bound to Tara. If you think about it, if Dani loves Tara, wouldn’t this kind of be the only way they can have a relationship (she would think)? I mean Dani is not just not-nobility and not a man, she is even the bastard (we assume) daughter of a mark-bound servant. Her rank is high bound to Tara but otherwise? Not good.

Now Tara wants to sever that tie... I am afraid that it is going to feel like Tara is asking for (more like demanding) a divorce or something.
Or a combination divorce/you’re fired situation at once. Yes, it may suck for her.
God Debra.

You sure do know how to twist a girl's heart into knots. Sheesh!
Thanks!

I’m hoping that the next update will come faster. It should be shorter and more dialog which writes faster than narrative prose. We’ll see how that goes.

Thanks.

p.s. (...and also, I have decided that lord Lefleur thinks Dani is his daughter... yup, I decided. He's not being creepy, he wants to see his daughter).
I will neither confirm nor deny that.

dlline – Don’t worry about shorter feedback. It’s great and looks plenty long enough.
…copious amounts of allergy medication might not make sense.
Now you’re describing my last two days…

1. Tara needs to lay off the “herbs.” Self-medication may make one feel better, but can also make a mess of one’s judgment.
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Their strength was no more than a glass or two of wine but the focus was directed solely at relaxing my anxiety and in this purpose, they stood me well.

Hang onto that, Tara. Just keep telling yourself that you can handle it.
First off, I laughed when I read that line. I agree that the herbs aren’t generally a great idea and I’m not much of a drinker and not at all a drugger (any more) but in this case, I will actually defend Tara a bit. This was a very specific case in which she really did have a pretty heavy responsibility to conduct herself in a certain way at this event. She has to a. represent her Estate b. perform magic with 22 other magic users (talk about high stress) and c. create marks with her mentor. It’s not like she could just go ahead and be a big mess through the thing. Yes, in our world we’d like to just think that she can let it all go and who cares but in her world, it would be a tragedy to show poorly on her family or magic.

But you’re right: she’s mixing bad judgement and other bad judgement and that’s hardly a good idea.
But since she’s now spending a great deal of time smacking herself in the head, I can step back. My presence is no longer necessary in that department.
Whatever will you spend your time on now?

2. I love that she’s entertaining the idea of dragging eligible men into a broom closet solely for the purpose of procreation. That would certainly solve the husband problem.
Damn right! Of course she would have to do it at the exact time that she is fertile and hope to produce a girl. Otherwise she’d have to wait until another wedding and another broom closet….

I love your point about Wesley and his interest in the library. I think that you’re right that she kind of misses the upside sometimes. In the case of Lord Finn, she never could see that he could possibly give Dani a magic user daughter (not guaranteed but possibly) and now she can’t see that Wesley would probably spend all his time in the library and leave her and Dani alone. Good point.

Amen to that. I don’t like Angel either. I’d like to bounce balls off his forehead.
I should like Buffy and Angel both better but I don’t.

She would be without defense against the magic.

Dani has some magic mojo of her own. Wouldn’t that help here? Or is Tara simply at this point unable to sort anything out? Or is it me?
Ahhh. Good question. No. Dani’s magic has no ability to counteract the marks-right magic nor Tara’s magic. Bound as she is, her magic is basically good for “party tricks” (and more than that) but not for counteracting anything mark-related.

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And then her lips were upon mine and her arms were around me and she had pulled herself from her horse to mine and I realized this is going to be much harder than I planned.

We all know that Tara needs to stop thinking with her hormones, but given the fact that her behavior has slipped to substance abuse-filled obsession, I get why she has trouble. The level head that she needs is so far gone that I worry for her.
Oh yeah. She’s not thinking even vaguely straight.

Thanks so much for your awesome comments.

watty – Hey there. Great point. Tara goes from all is well: la la la to “I’m a terrible rapist” with no gray area at all.

Not that having the realization of what she may be doing to Dani isn't progress, it is and I'm heartened by this step in her growing up process.
Yes, definitely.

You make a great point in questioning why Dani was so upset at being left behind if it’s all Tara’s influence.
a few other events that make me think Dani isn't as bereft of her own thoughts, emotions and senses as that. I want to go back to the part where they first had sex, was it after Tara got her marks? grrr, I'll have to look when I have time.
There are a few indications for sure. The first time they had sex was after Tara got her marks but before Dani got hers.

Interesting comments re: Tara using WP or Angel for a baby. Did you ever see the episode of The L-word (I watched part of one season and didn’t like the show) where that couple is trying to get pregnant and they bring home the guy and when he realizes that he gets all pissed. I mean are there a lot of guys who are that attached to their sperm? Maybe so. Still, not sure about Tara’s ok-ness.

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in the midst of admitting to myself how wrong my actions had been, in the midst of casting about for away to gain her forgiveness, I still craved her. I still loved her, wanted her with every fiber of my being in spite of my mind telling me that no relationship with her would ever be possible.

Therein lies the issue. We've established that Tara doesn't do, or feel, things by halves. When she loves she loves completely. How can she stop herself? How can she stop the marks from activating ... if indeed it is the marks that are the cause. I'm not 100% convinced.
Absolutely. She’s either absolutely naïve or absolutely darling or absolutely horrendous. She doesn’t understand that their can be something in between.

Thanks for your thoughts re: the length. It was a long write but it wasn’t really feasible to break it up. Thanks.

tazraven – Yay with the quotes. Thanks for the thoughts: awesome chapter.
Alright, so I feel like kicking Tara, again. Barely a page in and already her overt denial of Dani’s night-not-be-love is driving me crazy. I really wish this girl would wake up and smell the disillusionment.
Lol.

Like I said above, while I’m not a big fan of intoxication, I think that in this case, Tara might have been doing what she needed to do in this situation. I agree that as far as thinking through her relationship with Dani, she needs a clear head but in the case of this wedding, she kind of needed to “pass.” You know?

I laughed here. I really did. Not even kidding. So, she feels uncomfortable realizing that Dani acted as a servant in their relationship and Tara as her mistress? Gee, she felt uncomfortable about that? My want to kick Tara in the behind just got upgraded to a swift slap in the back of the head. That’s it. Right there. There’s the realization, and she can’t even take the responsibility to full experience it.
Again, I’m laughing at your wording. Yeah, she realizes it and her damn noble upbringing makes her put it in a totally milk-toast way. And I think you make an excellent point regarding the difference in understanding what she has been doing rather than speaking it. It’s kind of important to get both.

Re: Tadre and Tara. Yes, I believe that Tadre knows the nature of their relationship. Or at least she knows that Tara is in love with Dani and Dani with Tara. Whether she knows that they are lovers, I’ll leave for the time being. And while Tadre is lower rank than Tara, Tara sees her as her superior because of their mentor/mentee relationship (which I think is pretty accurate). In a lot of ways, Tadre is the only person with any true power over Tara. Even her father and T’solde are slightly lower in rank than she is.
Is there something more to it? If Dani is allowed to talk to anyone, is it possible she’s talked to Tadre about their relationship?
Dani is “allowed” to talk to anyone she wants. My question for you is this: given that Dani’s prime directive is to serve Tara and further her best interests and protect her, would Dani see sharing intimate details of their love life as serving Tara’s best interests?

Who’s right, I wonder. Tadre, and her optimistic viewpoint of their love, or Tara and her slow realization that Dani does not love her the same. Maybe it’s in the middle. I’m not sure, and to be honest, only Dani can answer that question.
Yes, yes, yes and also yes.

So Tara just had her Aha! moment.
I know: finally! I honestly think that it would have come sooner had they stayed at Maclay Main. But at Maclay East everything could seem just hunkey dorkey.

Though I do have the same question Diane does. Dani has her own magic, so is she really defenseless against the magic of the marks? If she is defenseless, well then their relationship is a servant serving her mistress, and any love Dani feels for Tara is purely coincidental.
My intention is that her magic does nothing to negate Tara’s power over her. Her magic is useful in many other ways but not in counteracting any binding magic.
But, if Dani can resist the mark magic, well then I actually see a little, slight, very dim glimmer of hope. It’s not much, but if Dani is able to resist the mark magic, then that means that maybe part of her relationship with Tara is actually her choice. Then again, maybe she can resist, but it took so much force of will that she gave up resisting.
If you go back and reread the update concerning Dani’s marking you will note how difficult it is for Dani to resist Tara. She is able to do it but only with a great deal of difficulty.

You’re the second person today to note the timing of their first time making love. Yes, it’s hugely important. And yes, it’s hugely important that it happened after Tara’s marks but before Dani’s.

Alright, I couldn’t help it, but the image of Dani riding up to Tara in a flurry of dust and then kissing her made me smile. Damn my aversion to Willow and Tara goodness, no matter how screwed up it is.
I think that aversion isn’t the word but I understand what you’re saying. I see it as a very sexy image so I’m glad it works for you.

I would definitely agree that Tara’s in a bind (no pun indented). Yes, if she wants to know whether Dani actually loves her she has to free her but then she doesn’t know if Dani will return. That’s kind of the cost, you know?

All I can say is that if I were Dani, and I had been taken advantage of, I don’t think I’d be sticking around. But hey, maybe I’m wrong and Dani is in love with Tara, but I don’t think it’s going to be that easy.
I think the answers to those exact questions really are the remainder of this story.

While I’m very happy Tara has finally come to some very important realizations, I have to say I’m still disappointed in her. It’d be nice if she actually got Dani’s input about what she’s planning to do, rather then just decide herself.
While I definitely wish that Tara were more open to Dani’s input, I also think that she’s in a situation where it is kind of useless. Even if Tara asks Dani and Dani answers, Tara won’t believe the answer because she’ll believe that it’s what Dani has been trained to say. So if Tara says, “do you love me and want to stay bonded?” and Dani says, “more than anything and more than anything…” Tara can’t possibly believe that. You know?

More to come. Thanks.

Grimmy – Yeah, valerian is a pretty mild thing. I’ve taken it myself for relaxation or cramps and we frequently give a form of it to the dogs for their nerves. But I agree with you that after taking it, Tara still needs to work through the issue rather than taking it and forgetting about it.

The most important question I noted from this update is that appearantly higher-marked people have magically influence over lower-marked servants? Basically a free-for-all with some level-checks? If that is so, why the need for bonding servants at all?? (hmm.. really should re-read this thread since I have the feeling I've asked this before)
I’m not 100% sure I’m following your question here. The power/magical influence comes from the marking/binding itself. Yes, the nobility have power over those below them in three ways:

1. Binding of one’s own servant.
2. Marks-rights from man to equal or lower marked servant.
3. Binding of house servants (which includes #2 also).

Yes, Tara seems to think more clearly when she’s not confronted with looking at Dani but wouldn’t you?


Did I misread this or was it really a snide remark towards Delia?
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(and I'm not sure that Delia would have been offended had they)
I’d say it’s pretty snide.

I agree that Tara believes any Lord with five marks will be after Dani. Which is probably a relatively good guess given that Dani’s totally hot. Plus which, Lord Finn is quite the playboy so she’s not far off in suspecting his motives. Of course, he has no reason to believe that Dani would be any different from any other servant. He’s quite used to sleeping with a lot of women and getting no complaints.

Now could Dani have 'defended' herself against any Lord on said party? We can't know that for sure, yes she CAN do magic herself but would she WANT to? Bringing shame onto the MaClay estate and all that.
Actually no, she could not. The magic of the marks-rights is not just that the servant will go along with the wishes of the noble but that the servant will “want” to go along. Her magic will make no difference. If a Lord invoked (for lack of a better word) marks-rights on her, she would go along with it just fine.

The line you point out is not meant to be suggestive although I can see that interpretation. I love the point you make that the only important thing is that Tara separate being in love with Dani and owning Dani no matter how she comes to her conclusions. Yes.

I believe that Tadre’s comment is meant to convey to Tara that she knows that Tara and Dani have a special relationship and to comfort Tara. She can see that Tara is distressed and that it has to do with Dani but not what the nature of distress is beyond that so she wants to comfort Tara.

The companionship part is easy, since it's forced and Tadre did the bonding herself. The love part is more worriesome, surely Tadre knows that doesn't go with bonding very well? Or does their society have another concept of 'love' as a whole??
Hmmm. I agree that in this case love doesn’t blend well with bonding but I don’t think it’s contraindicated or anything.

Chances are that if Tara doesn't start actually TALKING with Dani, none of her well intentioned actions will be well received by Dani (compare the delaying of taking her marks). Dani has never been anything else her entire life than a servant for Tara, doing anything else (even wanting to do anything else in itself) will be strange for her.
As usual, I’m getting a little tired of your reading my next update before posting your comments. Your insight is a little scary to tell the truth. But your point is precisely the point of the next ½ update (which I may post by itself to allow it to work well).

That's assuming we're all guessing the message to Tadre correctly of course grin Tara might just have asked if she could marry her mark-bound servant, would be the ideal wife party
Lol! Yes, we’re all guessing it consistently at least.

Thanks, always.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby spells42 » Thu May 17, 2007 3:32 pm

Debra
I'm late again (story of my life) with the feedback, but please don't think that in any way means I didn't enjoy the update. That was excellent. So much happening, both inside Tara's head and around her.

It's about time she realised the possibility that the marks gave her similar power over Dani as all the Lords she dreaded, but she must surely remember that the first time they made love - after Tara received her marks - was before Dani was bound???And it doesn't seem to be beyond Dani to speak out when she feels strongly to Tara about things which affect their relationship e.g. her anguished plea to Tara that 'they' don't get a husband. (that was very telling btw). Yes, Dani keeps a lot to herself, but I think she is very happy as she is, especially since they moved to the new estate.

Ann's wedding proved to be a wake up time for both of them, I think, as Dani wants to be able to accompany Tara wherever she goes, and must now realise that she and Tara can't ever be free like that due to the society they live in and Tara's intention to keep her 'safe'.

Ann's wedding also seems to be the catalyst that triggered Tara's internal revelations and her OTT reactions. While I don't think taking drugs or drinking is an ideal solution to the stress she is under, I'm not surprised she needed to do something. Tara's always had a lot of responsibility to bear and from a very young age she has been 'on show' in that role, even to the extent that the formalities affect her relationships with her own sisters. She's kept her own counsel, never confiding in them or T'dre with whom she seems very close, despite them giving her opportunities to confide. Her (taboo?) relationship with Dani has only made her more reserved. Given that she has never had anyone to share her concerns about her relationship with Dani, including Dani herself, and the pressures on that relationship it follows that there is going to be an explosion when the pressure gets too much, and it's going to be a nasty mess.

Yes, Tara should talk to Dani, she should talk to her sisters, or her step-mother, or her mentor, but all her training prevents her from doing so. There have been attempts from at least Faith and T'dre to get her to talk, but half hearted I think. Whose risk (in this society) was greater? Tara's. They should've tried harder, been more forthright in what they wanted to let Tara know - in my understanding of it, that they supported the relationship but wanted Tara to see the pitfalls.

Whatever her note to T'dre - and I'm guessing she means to unbind Dani - I'm thinking Dani's not going to be happy about it. Dani's as much a product of this society as Tara - her personal freedom is probably not of any value to her, as it would possibly prevent her from being with Tara. I don't know how that would work in this society.

Well, Debra, I've had a lot of fun psycho-analysing your characters. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next. It occurs to me that the start of this story isn't the end, if you see what I mean. ;-)

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby hondos » Fri May 18, 2007 12:35 am

Howdy Debra,
Its been a long long while since I have posted feedback of anykind .But you my Dear have pulled me right back in.I have to say first that I love a fic where reading the feedback is almost as fun (or painful in the case of this angsty beast you've got going here ;-) )as the story.I'm in full agreement that this is EPIC !!I simply love it!!! Ive taken to reading these updates twice, once just as Taras pov and then again looking at it from Dani's trying to pick up on how she is seeing things and its almost like reading two separate stories.I had to chuckle a little when you said the sequel will be Danis narrationYou have written Taras narration so perfectly detailed that you have already given us Danis take.Whether intentionally or not, its an amazing piece of writing.Cant wait for more.Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby grimlock72 » Fri May 18, 2007 3:35 pm

Just wanted to clarify my question, somehow the reply got a tiiiinybit bigger, sorry

JustSkipIt wrote:I’m not 100% sure I’m following your question here. The power/magical influence comes from the marking/binding itself. Yes, the nobility have power over those below them in three ways:

1. Binding of one’s own servant.
2. Marks-rights from man to equal or lower marked servant.
3. Binding of house servants (which includes #2 also).


My question was; is #2 also magically enforced or only socially?

Judging by your explantion it's also magical. So any servant who gets bonded to whomever, not only gets bonded to that specific person but effectivly to everybody with same or higher marks than the bond-owner.

Hmm.. wouldn't any owner be better of just normally hiring/owning servants any other way than bonding? With the bonding comes the forced sharing, against which owner must protect servant (to some degree). Only reason for bonding would then be either status or the desire to share someone with the rest of Lords? (which probably also results in 'respect')

Interesting... in reverse; no (high) marked person can be sure any lower bonded servant truly loves/admires them.. that's no fun. Makes for a very weird world too I'll bet. The only people that will usually tell you the truth are those who are neither bound nor nobility (other type of binding really;-). Truly Free people. Weird society, amazing is has survived a long time.

Now how much of all this did Dani know before she accepted her bonding? Was she even able to see the consequences at that age, would her choice be different now? (regardless of what came after it, just the choice itself with all effects known)

Your insight is a little scary to tell the truth.


Sorry Based on previous chapters some things can be somewhat expected. Although Tara might surprise us all of course (or Dani might surprise us, which would be easier 'cos we don't know her that well;-).

Good stories have understandable charachters (not that you have to agree with them, just understand their reasoning). That makes them a bit predictable, as most people are anyway
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JustSkipIt » Sat May 19, 2007 2:42 pm

Anne – Again I say don’t worry about being late. Thanks for your compliments.

It's about time she realised the possibility that the marks gave her similar power over Dani as all the Lords she dreaded, but she must surely remember that the first time they made love - after Tara received her marks - was before Dani was bound???
Yes, I have said that is crucial but apparently Tara isn’t able to think through that or if she is, she is able to rationalize it. Yes, Dani has a voice but her voice is limited as Tara has realized. I think that your instinct regarding Dani’s happiness is a very good one.

Ann's wedding proved to be a wake up time for both of them, I think, as Dani wants to be able to accompany Tara wherever she goes, and must now realise that she and Tara can't ever be free like that due to the society they live in and Tara's intention to keep her 'safe'.
So so so true.

I love the point you make regarding Tara’s responsibilities. Yes, she has a tremendous amount of pressure on her at a very young age. You might notice that I virtually never mention any other Lady or Lord who has her power and responsibilities at such an age.
She's kept her own counsel, never confiding in them or T'dre with whom she seems very close, despite them giving her opportunities to confide. Her (taboo?) relationship with Dani has only made her more reserved.
Yes and yes. She probably could speak with T’dre, particularly given that we know how discreet Tadre is (she has apparently never told anyone that Dani uses magic).

Yes, Tara should talk to Dani, she should talk to her sisters, or her step-mother, or her mentor, but all her training prevents her from doing so.
My mother used to always say, “damn Straight!” I’ll echo her now: damn straight! I think, though, that she doesn’t believe there is anyone with whom she can possibly speak. I don’t remember if you are an American. Did you see John Kerry’s presidential nomination speech: “Help is on the Way!” Well, let’s just say that I hope this update ends with a hint of that Help.

The attempts by Faith and T’dre have been three-quarters hearted at least, I’d say but they are severely limited in their social ability to confront Tara directly. Yes, I’d like it if they tried harder but …

Whatever her note to T'dre - and I'm guessing she means to unbind Dani - I'm thinking Dani's not going to be happy about it. Dani's as much a product of this society as Tara - her personal freedom is probably not of any value to her, as it would possibly prevent her from being with Tara. I don't know how that would work in this society.
Great guesses and great instinct.

I get what you mean about the start not being. Or perhaps the end is not the start. More of it all coming up very shortly.

hondos – Welcome back! I’m assuming you used to be Hondos First so welcome and I’m quite honored that your first post under the new name is on my story.

Reading the feedback for this story has been a thrill for me as well. I’ve disclosed that I seriously considered turning this into a non W/T story and trying for publication but the biggest reason I resisted was my burning desire to have just this interaction with the readers.

Ive taken to reading these updates twice, once just as Taras pov and then again looking at it from Dani's trying to pick up on how she is seeing things and its almost like reading two separate stories.
That’s brilliant and will show you a lot I believe about what I going on. I have to admit that in a way that’s how I write it. I first write Tara’s narration. Then I rewrite the same piece thinking of Dani’s reactions according to my beliefs of her response. Then I have to smooth Dani’s response according to Tara’s interpretation. So, for example, Dani and Tara make love. Tara is thrilled and happy. Dani says she loves Tara which, again, Tara=happy. Then I go to Dani’s pov: why did she say it? Why now? Has she said it before? Then back to Tara: what is her reaction to Dani’s proclamation in today’s pov? Does she believe it or take it with a grain (or a pile) of salt?

Dani’s narration in the sequel. I believe it will be very enlightening. It will not be a rewrite of this but a new story but told from her pov. She will reflect heavily on the events here and her relationship with Tara. And her voice: very very different from Tara’s. I believe it will be somewhat amusing.

Thanks for reading and commenting.

Grimmy – Ok, I get your question now.
My question was; is #2 also magically enforced or only socially?

Judging by your explantion it's also magical. So any servant who gets bonded to whomever, not only gets bonded to that specific person but effectivly to everybody with same or higher marks than the bond-owner.
Yes it’s magically enforced. The difference is that the same or higher marks only carry to marks-rights (sex). Other than marks-rights, Lord Finn (for example) has no more authority over Delia or Dawn than someone else. In that case, any authority he might have would be fully social. If they were to run into him and he said, “where is Lady Tara? Can you get her for me?” They would certainly do so out of their duty to impress as servants of the Maclay Estate but they would have freewill in doing so. However, if he were to put his hand on their hip and basically want them (which would invoke the rights (no incantation or anything involved)), they would be magically bound to the marks-rights. Does that make sense?

On the other hand, the magical binding is primarily to each servant’s individual Master or Mistress and secondarily to their house/Estate. Three scenarios:

Lord Finn encounters Delia and asks her to set fire to the Maclay Estate kitchens, thus burning the Castle to the ground and killing the Maclay family. Delia would have no hesitation in resisting the request. In fact, she would be magically bound to protect first Anne and second the Maclay family. This binding might mean that she would immediately warn Anne, Tara, and David (Father) or even that she would take offensive action against Lord Finn (such as slitting his throat). And what would determine the severity of her response? Her own common sense and free-will as if falls within her binding. She may not take the threat as credible or may see it as immediate. In that case we can only hope that

Anne asks Delia to kill Lord Finn. Delia is magically bound to serve and protect 1. Anne and 2. the Maclay estate. Depending on her level of common sense, she may appeal to Anne to reconsider this order, given her belief that the Finns would come after Anne and kill her later. But if Anne is completely unwilling to reconsider her order and repeats it, Delia is literally magically bound to make the attempt or die trying.

Anne asks Delia to kill Tara/Melanie/Lord Maclay. Again Delia is magically bound to serve and protect 1. Anne and 2. the Maclay Estate. In this case, her appeal should be stronger than in the Anne -- > LF scenario due to her secondary directive. A particularly logical and intelligent servant (such as Dani) would possibly able to delay taking action on the order for quite a while as she argues the power of her directives.

Jesus, I do go on…

Hmm.. wouldn't any owner be better of just normally hiring/owning servants any other way than bonding? With the bonding comes the forced sharing, against which owner must protect servant (to some degree). Only reason for bonding would then be either status or the desire to share someone with the rest of Lords? (which probably also results in 'respect')
No. The nobleman/woman is served by having a servant who is absolutely compelled to obey. That servant will never take part in a plot against her Mistress. Yes, there is some sexual sharing but the attraction of having a completely committed servant is quite strong.

Interesting... in reverse; no (high) marked person can be sure any lower bonded servant truly loves/admires them.. that's no fun.
Yeah, I think that’s part of the wedding like service to start the bonding. It’s like the love and devotion has to be set out there at the start since we can never know again after that. But good point about insecurity.

Now how much of all this did Dani know before she accepted her bonding? Was she even able to see the consequences at that age, would her choice be different now? (regardless of what came after it, just the choice itself with all effects known)
My interpretation? Dani understood every bit of this truth. She knew what it would mean to be bound to Tara. Really the only thing she didn’t know is what it meant to Tara. She knew that Tara “loved” her but not necessarily that she “loved, loved” her. You know?

I like your point about understandable characters being somewhat predictable. Yes. Thanks always.


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Story Title – Waiting for Dani

Chapter – 16A – Dani

Author – JustSkipIt

Pairing –W/T

Feedback – Yes, please

Spoilers – None

Rating – PG-13/R

Disclaimer – Joss Whedon and Mutant Enemy own Willow and Tara and the Buffyverse. I’m not saying this universe is totally original but I didn’t steal it from any author or creator that I know of. No copyright infringement is meant by this fic and I will not make any money from it.

Additional and permanent disclaimer – Yadda yadda. Yadda Yadda. Not comfortable. Power imbalance. Etc.

Note – Originally Chapter 16 would have been one update. However, I felt that the break at this point was very necessary. 16B is written but it requires some fine tuning. At this point I believe Chapter 17 will be the final part of this story.

Note 2 – Coming Soon. I believe I will be posting a new and very different story (from this) in the next few days/week.



My ill-formed plan was put to the test that very night, for Dani had been trained so very well. She was aware, for how could she not be, of my feelings for her and she had been returning these feelings in serving her Mistress for years. When I pulled away from our embrace she only released me for a moment before hugging me tightly and repeating over and over how much she had missed me, how worried she had been for me, how she had been counting the days until my return. Tears glistened in her eyes as well as mine but I do not think their cause was the same.

She kissed me three more times quickly on the lips before leaping onto Hope’s back and then circling me a few times astride her mount. She was verily singing her required joy at my return. Then she began to tease me about presents, asking had I brought her anything and was it bigger than the breadbox in the kitchen. As always, I answered that it was not bigger than a breadbox and she asked if it was smaller than a breadbox and I said that it was not. Again, as always she asked if it was a breadbox and I agreed that it was. She leaned over to kiss me once more and then patted Dream on the rear to get him moving, saying that we needed to get home for the “surprise celebratory” dinner on our return.

I kicked my heels get my horse moving more quickly and took position just in front of Dani as we rode the last few hundred yards to the Estate, feeling very conflicting emotions. On one hand, my girl was right here with me and seemed excited and quite affectionate to have me home. She chattered about the issues she had encountered but interspersed many times how happy she was to have me home, even going so far as to admonish me for leaving her. Only the intimacy of our relationship would have allowed this admonition to pass a servant’s lips and, ironically, it was this very intimacy which made my return so terrible. She would be so much better off free from my control a few short days from now.

We entered the gate to encounter Giles and Fredrek who addressed me formally before welcoming me home less formally. I explained that Stefan I had engaged in another task and that Jonah had gone to check the herd, which they reported having noted some minutes earlier.

“We thought perhaps to see Miss Faith.”

I nodded as we rode toward the stables. “And it is not for lack of my urging her here that she returned to Maclay Main.”

William ran up to us and took the reins of both Hope and Dreams as he clumsily bowed. “Anne was pretty?”

I dismounted and placed a gentle kiss on his cheek, assuring him that she had sent it especially for him and hoping to myself that he would not refuse to wash the skin for too long.

Dani dismounted as well and moved her mouth close to my ear as she did so. “You are very sweet, my Lady, and not just in taste. I hope to reward you your kindness later this evening.” She had a twinkle in her eye as she turned back toward our oblivious companions and I could not help feeling elated for a moment before the return of my shame and guilt was upon me. This was what she felt was required. What she knew was expected. This feeding of my ego and secret intimations and so much more were what I had taught her to provide. How very terrible a Mistress I had been for so long.

Giles and Fredrek dismounted as well and each grabbed one of my saddle bags. “Please be careful with that one, Fredrek, and take it directly to the dining room.” I announced my intention to wash up before dinner and only my invention of a need for her to check on Jonah kept Dani from accompanying me to my rooms. She looked at me oddly but pulled herself back astride Hope and rode away with a quick bow. The others walked me to the outer doors of the building and then we parted ways in the hall.

In my rooms, I quickly washed myself in the basin and changed from my riding clothes into dining presentation. I despaired over the possibility that Dani would arrive while I was still in this private setting and wish to continue our intimate charade. Given this fear, I redoubled my efforts to dress quickly, tossing my riding clothes into a corner behind a chair, and pulling my hair back with a leather tie I found on her dressing tray. I managed to emerge from my rooms just in the nick of time, reaching the bottom of the stairs as she came in the outer door of our hallway. She met me and asked if I would not like to return to our rooms while she changed for dinner. I replied that I wanted to greet the others and would see her in a few minutes in the dining room. She furrowed her brow somewhat but quickly agreed to my agenda.

I advanced to the dining room and greeted the others of my Estate, all of whom bowed formally to me before welcoming me home. We had long ago dispensed of dividing our meals by station, partially because doing so frequently resulted in family meal for five (six if Giles joined us) and a servant meal for seventeen. Rather, we served meals at regular and predictable intervals and any who were present were welcome to share in the meal. We, of course, observed the formalities of rank in determining placement but all present were welcome to eat together. Tonight the table was verily overflowing as everyone wanted to hear my tales of the wedding.

I had brought my sketch pad as well as a few drawings from the hired artist and passed these around with great narration. Throughout the dinner and for a few hours following, I described every detail I could of the wedding: the bride’s dress as well as other attendees, Riley’s presentation, the marks, the food, the dancing. Jonah leapt in to augment my tales when appropriate and the group listened with rapt attention if I do say so myself. Finally I reached for my saddle bag and began to present the items I had procured for my people. I pride myself that I had gotten something from a rare sweet for Briena to two books for Giles for every soul at the table. Dani, I presented with quite a beautiful scarf at dinner although I had brought her an additional item as well. Finally, the house girls stood with a yawn and began to clear the plates as I thanked them for a delicious meal and repeated my gratitude that I was home again.

Giles and I remained at the table only long enough to agree to discuss the details of the estate in the next few days. He had wanted to discuss them the next day but I allowed that tomorrow would surely be an unusually busy day and perhaps we could discuss the details later in the week. I noticed Dani casting a strange glance my way but she would never contradict me in public.

I was yawning when I reached my rooms, the door pulled open in front of me as a hand reached out to grasp mine and pull me inside. I had no time to protest before I felt myself pressed against the door and a soft but oh so strong body was pressed against mine. Dani’s hands were behind my neck and her mouth was on mine and it felt oh so good after this time away. The strength and determination it took me to pull away, rather to push Dani away from me was greater than I can describe for I wanted so badly to take that comfort, to feel her mouth and skin against mine once more. But it would not be once more. It would have been once and then twice and then again and I would send T’dre away, inventing some excuse for her impromptu summary. For I knew that if I lacked the commitment to pull away tonight, with the horror of my actions so fresh in my soul I would never change it. I would always hold and possess and abuse my love and she would never be free of my wants and desires.

“Please, Dani. I am so tired. I wish only to sleep tonight.”

My girl was nothing if not persistent. “Sleep of course, Tara.” Her hands were at the front of my shirt, gently untying the cord she found there. “I think we can accomplish that so very much better from the bed, don’t you?” The last was whispered against my ear as her tongue traced the very contours.

How to stop her? I would not be cruel and I could not use the excuse of my bleeding for she knew my schedule as well as her own and would see that for its lie instantly. “Please.” I managed to free myself from my pinning against the wall. “Tomorrow, my love.” I cringed as I heard the words issue from my mouth but I there was truly nothing else for it.

Her mouth curled up in a smile at the edges, her vixen smile we always called it and she again whispered in my ear. “If you are so tired, perhaps you would like to lie down and I will make sure you don’t have to do anything.” Her practiced hands had my shirt open all down the front in spite of my attempts to pull away and they moved to the tie on my trousers. She dropped to her knees and began to place soft kisses on my stomach as she spoke. “Yes, a nice rest for you.”

It took so much strength of character, something I had displayed so little in the past years, to grasp her wrists and pull her to her feet. “I m-must sleep, Dani.” I turned my face from her but she saw the tears pooled in my eyes.

I had released her wrists and her palm cupped my cheek. “What is wrong, Tara?” When I didn’t answer her voice began to shake. “Tara? My Lady? Did I do something?”

“I … please.” I shook as I turned from her and wrapped my arms around myself. “You did nothing wrong, Dani.” I turned back and saw the look of anguish on her face. Of course she looked like this. She was only attempting to serve her Mistress and I was rejecting her actions. I leaned forward to place a kiss on her cheek which did nothing to make her feel better.

She cupped her own cheek, tracing the path of my lips, as she shook her head. “Yes, let me get you to bed, My Lady.” Her voice shook as a whisper and I could barely hear her.

I bit down on my lip, so strong was the drive to pull her into my embrace but I was resolute, finally realizing an excuse for distancing myself. “I brought you a much finer gift.” I turned from her and quickly grasped a sleeping gown from the top of the armoire, surely offending her once again as I did not allow her to hand me the garment. I pulled it over my head as I dug in my saddlebag for the wrapped package within. I wordlessly extended the box. She took it and I was left free to pull off my trousers and slip beneath the covers while her hands were occupied.

She approached the bed and sat on the edge, eyeing me suspiciously before pulling the ribbon from the box, then gave a little cry as she opened the box. Within lay a beautifully ornate dagger. She had mentioned wanting to carry a smaller weapon than her sword on trips to our villages and I had been determined that she could not do so until she possessed something that would display her wealth and standing adequately. I had commissioned the crafting of this instrument nearly six months earlier and it had been brought by Donnie to the wedding. Its worth was perhaps three or four fine horses and this value would be clear to Dani.

She pulled it from the box and twirled it in her hand for a moment, watching the light dance red, blue, and green from the hilt. “This gift is so beautiful and fine as to be hardly reasonable, My Lady.” She smirked again. “And you won’t even allow me to show my appreciation tonight.” She turned and threw the knife, lodging it into the thick doorpost with a smile.

I felt ill to my stomach at her words. Were her actions not only performed in service of our bond but intended as payment for my gifts over the years? I gave her the necklace the night of our marking celebration and that had been the first time we… Oh Creator. I closed my eyes and swallowed heavily, this time leaning back against the pillows and placing my hand over my eyes.

I felt Dani stand up from the bed then and move toward the basin. Then she had returned and was pressing a cold compress against my forehead. “Perhaps this will make you feel better, Tara.” I put the cloth over my eyes and heard her stepping away again. Moments later I heard her rummaging in her armoire and shuffling sounds as if she were pulling on a sleeping gown. This in itself was an indicator of the strangeness of the situation as she rarely slept in clothing, enjoying the feel of my skin and the sheets against her own.

Then I felt her weight on the bed but she lay still and distant, apparently unwilling to attempt to touch me again. Perhaps she felt that I must reach out for her, something I could not will myself to do despite my desperate wish to feel her skin on mine and her heartbeat against my chest. My arms shook with the effort involved in resisting reaching out for her this one last time. I took three deep breaths to still my movement and then felt the bed still shaking, for my love was crying quietly next to me. So this was what I had brought her to.

“Tara?”

“Y-yes.”

“Did, did I do something to offend you? Was I … was I too forward?” Her voice shook in no more than a whisper.

I opened my eyes to see tears spilling from her eyes and gently wrapped our fingers together. I could not take advantage of my girl but I could not bear her pain either. “Never, Dani. Never have you offended me.”

Her eyebrows seemed to fold down toward her eyes and she bit her lip as she fought to speak. “D-d-did you … did you meet someone at the wedding? A… Lord of your rank or…” I waited wondering whom else I could have met. “Did you meet someone else? A L-l-lady who might make a better… a more ap..ap..appropriate…”

Oh Creator. My heart was breaking as I gathered her in my arms. “Never, my girl. The only meeting I have ever had that meant anything to my heart was the day you were born.”

I began to rock her and rock her as she cried, obviously confused over my bizarre behavior this night. She continued crying and I could hear her muttering what could she have done and how she loved me. Finally she drifted into sleep and I followed shortly thereafter.

Those damn boots on the stairs startle me for I thought even Merie had gone to sleep. I must order her house shoes for she sounds like a bear roaming the house and stairs.

We woke in the morning, somewhat embarrassed at the condition of our red-rimmed eyes and I rolled away from Dani immediately as if afraid I would be burned if I touched her again. She turned away and I heard her sniffle.

“After breakfast, I need you to go into the village with me.”

She turned back and studied me for a moment. “Of course, My Lady.”
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby db » Sat May 19, 2007 2:49 pm

dibs dibs dibs!!!

Oh gracious.

Poor Dani. Poor Tara.

Usually I have so much to say... and now I just want something good for them both.

I am glad that Tara told Dani that Dani had never displeased her and that Dani was able to ask if Tara had met someone else and that Tara was able to tell her that she (Dani) was the only one for her... all these things are good. But poor Dani's broken heart. Tara needs to tell her everything, confess everything, share everything.

wah!

Dani was crying!

:paranoid

and also -- I like how you hint at the present and the closeness of it all with the sound of merie's footsteps... and the detail of the sword and the shaking of the bed... I am enthralled with the story.

...and totally heartbroken for them both.

Whatever could Tara have planned for town???


Awaiting an update -- with a big old lump in my throat!

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby tarawhipped » Sat May 19, 2007 7:53 pm

Good god, woman! How many damn chapters did you have Tara completely clueless about the effect of the bonding on Willow...and now she's seeing mountains in every frickin' molehill! Gah! Actually, she's making mountains out of valleys, since Willow is pretty obviously being genuinely affectionate (and how!), yet Tara is so blinded by her guilt that she only sees a servant doing her (presumably unwanted) duty. She still isn't seeing Dani. This is damn frustrating, Debra, and absolutely gripping.

Since you have such a subtle way of slipping in foreshadowing, and I'm probably looking too hard for clues, I actually cringed when Dani opened her 'real' present. That's just great...Tara's sending really mixed signals (or not mixed at all...they pretty much scream 'I don't want to be with you')...and then gives the girl a deadly weapon? Why not just include a note that says "here, slit your wrists." :paranoid

Okay, I'll calm down and wait patiently. Only two chapters to go? Am I correct in remembering you saying something about a sequel, or will it be concluded at 17? And just so you know that my ranting notwithstanding, I spent most of the update giddy because you mentioned a new story you're working on. Can't wait, whatever you write.

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Emms » Sat May 19, 2007 10:49 pm

It would seem that I've missed a couple updates... :sigh I shall remedy that ASAP. :D
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Belli Bear » Sun May 20, 2007 1:19 am

hello hello! I've decided to further expand my knowledge of the english language at uni so I've barely had time to have an indepth read of any of my favourite fics :rolleyes although! I have to say! I've MADE time for this one :D... having said that..

:shock OH THE AGONY! *falls to the ground clutching her heart*

Such a brilliant piece of writing, I ache just thinking about what these two are going through. I am definetely on the 'poor Tara' bandwagon though, don't get me wrong, I feel immensely awful for Dani, obviously moreso than Tara, but I don't know, to personalise the situation, I think it would be more awful to realise that the most important and intimate relationship of your life has been a resounding lie, then to be bound to maintaining it.

In anycase, I'm sorry to hear that there are only two more chapters left :aww though somehow I have no doubt you'll make both of them incredible reads :D

Hope to see an update soon! :peace

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Fin » Sun May 20, 2007 4:29 am

I haven't been on the board for a little while and wow, have missed more of this great story from you. Really enjoying it and am now all caught up, only two more chapters left, I hate it when a good story comes to an end, but I guess that is inevitable.
I am glad how Tara is seeing things now, but was sad having Dani upset as she has no clue as to what Tara is feeling and why she is being distant in regards to their intimacy.
I look forward to how you will weave this tale to a conclusion, and of course am waiting on the blissfully happy ending which involves much kissage ;-)
Thanks for your lovely storytelling and am looking forward to the next update.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby grimlock72 » Sun May 20, 2007 7:14 am

Oh oh... Tara does have a plan to set Dani free but she doesn't know or even attempt to find out if Dani WANTS to be free. For that matter, Tara doesn't really know what Dani wants overall (besides an expensive dagger;-).

(best not to go guessing here .. gotta leave some for Deb to tell;-)

What is very evident is that Tara now doubts the intention behind anything Dani does. That is of course not a very workable relation, so one way or anther that has to be resolved. For some reason I don't a proper conversation will be the means for that. It would work for sure, but neither Dani nor Tara are in a position to get it done proper (if that made sense?)

Tara is almost running away from Dani isn't she? No wonder Dani is crying :cry :cry :cry. Her question if Tara had found another was perceptive and to some degree the answer is 'yes' (Tara doesn't want to continue the existing relationship).

I worry about Tara not explaining things and Dani possibly badly misinterpreting them.

P.S. For all the people worrying about the dagger, remember it was commissioned SIX months ago, when Tara was still in Dani-Truly-Loves-Me-land.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby dlline » Sun May 20, 2007 7:21 am

Holy shit, Deb.

I can't even break this down because all I want to do at this moment is bang my own head on my own desk.

Hard.

Repeatedly.

Argh!

Tara. She is the source of my frustration. She doesn't say anything, just continues to torture herself from within, making stupid choice after stupid choice, not trusting herself or Dani. As much as I want to feel sorry for her, all I can see is how she continues to cock the metaphorical gun, shooting herself in the foot time after time after time. Again, I say Argh!

And now, the knife. The lovely, ornate gift. I know it was mentioned earlier, in a "go slit your wrists" kinda way, but it hit me differently than that.
She smirked again. “And you won’t even allow me to show my appreciation tonight.” She turned and threw the knife, lodging it into the thick doorpost with a smile.

I may be way off base here, but if I was Tara, I'd sleep with one eye open tonight. That couple of sentences sounded vaguely threatening to me. Of course, I see bad guys around every corner, and the only real bad guy here is the one in Tara's head, so I could be totally wrong. That's hardly a first, but I still wonder....hmmm.....

So, Deb, you've left us hanging here again with more questions than answers. Maybe I need to think about smacking you in the back of the head. I wouldn't ever try that 'cause you'd probably kick my ass, but you've created this incredibly damaged, misguided "protagonist" who frustrates me so much that on some level I hope Dani tells her to "stick it." I know that can't happen (darn KB rules), but I almost wish it could. How can Dani ever trust Tara, either bound or free? I wouldn't. Some happy ending that is!

Thanks for another compelling update. Can't wait for more!

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby WolfDragonGod » Sun May 20, 2007 11:40 am

oh my god that was so sad so so sad your wrong tara go back to your woman before she loses herself in a pit of darkness...you and her were ment for each other.....

great update sad but great and i still can't wait for more
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Second Fig » Sun May 20, 2007 8:05 pm

Dani doesn’t need a fish, she needs a damn whale to knock some sense into Tara! (I do like the idea of a Puffer)
Sorry about my short dibs last time, I kept meaning to go back and expand on the pitifully short post but some random things happened and it slipped my mind, I am ashamed. The post before last was just so strong that I felt I had to wait and collect my thoughts and then I didn’t. But it really was one of the most powerful and important chapters.
Ok, to the story, they really need to communicate, really it is a wonderful example of human evolution, the ability to put feelings into words, Tara and Dani obviously need lessons.
You know I realized something this update that had been at the back of my mind. Tara really has no one to talk to or share her feelings with, that she deems appropriate other than Dani. Even when she was at home she seemed distant from even her siblings and stepmother because of their marks (those darn marks!). Dani at least has Giles and Xander, while Tara is supposed to be all things to all people, she needs to share the burden.
The test that was mentioned at the beginning of the post, I didn’t notice any test or evaluation of its outcome, Tara just seemed to be analyzing Dani’s actions and words and taking them out of context, correct me if I am wrong.
That is what this update seemed to be,
Tara reaffirming her resolution to give Dani her freedom, unintentionally taking away her choice in yet another decision.

Very good update the tension is rising and I am biting my nails in an-tic-i-pation.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JustSkipIt » Tue May 22, 2007 6:40 am

db – Congratulations on your dibs.
Poor Dani. Poor Tara.
Well, you’ve summed that quite nicely. I’m not sure I needed to write the last two updates now…I agree that something nice would be great for them.

I agree that Tara telling Dani that she hadn’t done anything and that Tara hadn’t met anyone are both important but I’m not sure that they would comfort me that much in Dani’s place. And yes, poor Dani’s broken heart and yes to Tara’s need to communicate but I’m not sure that’s likely knowing what we know about Tara at this point.

and also -- I like how you hint at the present and the closeness of it all with the sound of merie's footsteps... and the detail of the sword and the shaking of the bed... I am enthralled with the story.
Thanks so much. I’m glad it works.

Thanks.

Cam – Ha ha. You’re Good Godding me. Tee hee.
Actually, she's making mountains out of valleys, since Willow is pretty obviously being genuinely affectionate (and how!), yet Tara is so blinded by her guilt that she only sees a servant doing her (presumably unwanted) duty. She still isn't seeing Dani. This is damn frustrating, Debra, and absolutely gripping.
Well thank you. I’m glad to hear that it’s so frustrating. Imagine how it must feel to Dani. I mean if it’s frustrating to you, then it’s probably a killer to her (not literally).

Since you have such a subtle way of slipping in foreshadowing, and I'm probably looking too hard for clues, I actually cringed when Dani opened her 'real' present. That's just great...Tara's sending really mixed signals (or not mixed at all...they pretty much scream 'I don't want to be with you')...and then gives the girl a deadly weapon? Why not just include a note that says "here, slit your wrists." You?
Wow. You know as a writer, this is one of those times when the arena of “what I don’t know” is greater than the “what I planned.” I have to say that the connection between the weapon and either it being an invitation for Dani to kill herself or Tara never occurred to me, yet now that I read these responses, I totally get how y’all see it. Sorry for the misdirect on that one.

Yes, two chapters. Really 1 1/2 .
Am I correct in remembering you saying something about a sequel, or will it be concluded at 17?
Yes to a sequel. The sequel will pick up somewhere after this one lets off and be narrated by Dani. I think that it will be shorter than this story but I think that the length of this one really shows that I have no clue how long something will be when I start it. I have the major plot points/revelations laid out in my head but not necessarily the web binding them together and moving it along quite yet.

… I spent most of the update giddy because you mentioned a new story you're working on. Can't wait, whatever you write.
Yes to something new and it’s a very big change from this story. It’s much more fluff/PwP style and actually started as a PwP one-off but I decided to expand it. We’ll see what everyone thinks of it.

Thanks!

Emms – Hey there. I’ll wait until you get the fb edited. BTW: I got your PM but haven’t been able to respond. Thanks for your thoughts on the issue.

Belli Bear – Hello and welcome back. I hope school is going well. Tee hee. Now I’m picturing you actually falling to the ground and clutching your heart. Well done.


I ache just thinking about what these two are going through.
Then my writing (which you called brilliant – thank you) has worked. I think that your reaction to feel terrible for both of them is right on target. In many ways, I think this is my most angstful story yet. (and the most angstful I have planned).

I think it would be more awful to realise that the most important and intimate relationship of your life has been a resounding lie, then to be bound to maintaining it.
I can see that but I also think there’s another way to interpret Dani’s reaction which would seem quite terrible as well.

Yes, there are two chapters left but I’m planning the sequel, a one-off story for the summer, and a new story that’s totally unrelated. So there will be plenty of JustSkipIt stuff to come. I hope that the final chapters don’t disappoint. I must admit that they are the ones I feel most unsure about and have since I first started this story.

Thanks.

Fin – Hi there. Have I asked you about your name before? I ask only because my wife and I have been discussing names for our next child and she is very attached to the name Infinity which she would shorted to Fin for a boy. I can’t say whether that’s the leading contender but it’s in the running so I’d be interested (if I already asked, I’m sorry for my bad memory).

I’m glad you’re back and caught up. Yes, the ending is definitely inevitable.

Dani is in a quite terrible position in that she’s being fully rejected with really no explanation of why. Yes, there will be much kissage in the final chapter. Thank you.

grimlock72 – Hello.
Oh oh... Tara does have a plan to set Dani free but she doesn't know or even attempt to find out if Dani WANTS to be free. For that matter, Tara doesn't really know what Dani wants overall (besides an expensive dagger;-).
That’s true and has been consistent and within character for Tara throughout. I will say, though, in her defense that if she asked Dani what Dani wanted she would have no reassurance that Dani would be capable of giving a true answer. Given that Dani’s prime directive is to serve Tara, she could hardly say that yes she wants to be true. So she’s kind of magically bound from giving Tara a true answer even if Tara asks. Does that make sense?

What is very evident is that Tara now doubts the intention behind anything Dani does.
Absolutely.

It would work for sure, but neither Dani nor Tara are in a position to get it done proper (if that made sense?)
And again I say that I don’t think it would/could even work to have their proper conversation even if Tara initiated it.

I like the way that you say that Tara wanting to discontinue the relationship as it is is basically equal to her finding another. I guess in terms of what it means for Dani, it all seems the same.

P.S. For all the people worrying about the dagger, remember it was commissioned SIX months ago, when Tara was still in Dani-Truly-Loves-Me-land.
Thanks for saving me the energy of that reminder.

Diane – Wow. A Good God and a Holy shit all in the same page of feedback.

I can't even break this down because all I want to do at this moment is bang my own head on my own desk.
Well I think you used to want to bang Tara’s head on the desk so you’ve moved from that at least…

No doubt Tara is the source of your frustration. She should be. She’s sheltered and clueless and makes poor choices. And she doesn’t think enough about the possible import of her actions. The gun metaphor is a little anachronistic although I guess I haven’t explicitly said that they don’t have guns or Airplanes or IPods…

I’m fascinated with your concern over the knife. As I said in my response to Cam, this was a concern which really never at all entered my mind. I’d love to say that I’ve created a world in which suicide doesn’t exist. Sure, let’s say that. And Dani can’t (literally) hurt Tara with the knife. She would be physically unable to do it. I think that Dani’s throwing it was just showing off (and kind of disrespecting the doorframe but I wanted to show her skill) and her statement is just more flirtation and teasing. So to sum up: you’re totally wrong (hey, you said it first). Ok, it’s not so much that you’re wrong as that I didn’t intend that at all and it’s not a danger.

So, Deb, you've left us hanging here again with more questions than answers. Maybe I need to think about smacking you in the back of the head. I wouldn't ever try that 'cause you'd probably kick my ass,
Hmmm. One of us is ex-Army or ex-Navy or something like that writes a story about an agent with guns (by name) and how to blow up people’s houses with pool chemicals and the other is a vegetarian pacifist. I’m not sure you’re in a lot of danger from me…

… on some level I hope Dani tells her to "stick it."
Lol. Let’s just say that the sequel will give us a better view of Dani’s attitude toward Tara.

Thanks so much.

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Second Fig – Tee hee. Back to the fish smacking. Don’t worry about the dibs. I usually just highlight them in the comments file so I remember to go back and look before posing the replies. You know?

Ok, to the story, they really need to communicate, really it is a wonderful example of human evolution, the ability to put feelings into words, Tara and Dani obviously need lessons.
Lol. Can you imagine? [blockquote]Here comes Faith. “Ok, now girls. Today we will learn to communicate. Tara, you will say ‘Dani, I love you and want you always and don’t know if you love me truly. Go:

Tara: “Dani, You are my dearest if it is your heart’s desire then my very heart’s desire is your heart’s desire.”

Faith: “No. Tara. That’s not at all what I said. It was very pretty but what the fuck? Try this: ‘Dani. Do you love me like I love you?’”

Tara: “Dani. I would never want to violate you. Is that something that you fear?”

Faith (banging head on table like Diane suggests for everyone): “No! No! No! Ok. I give up on you my lady. Dani, try this. ‘Tara. I love you just as much.’”

Dani: “My Lady. My every thought has been of you for always. My greatest joy is that yours might equal mine.”

Faith (banging head on table for next three hours).[/blockquote]

Tara really has no one to talk to or share her feelings with, that she deems appropriate other than Dani. Even when she was at home she seemed distant from even her siblings and stepmother because of their marks (those darn marks!).
Very much so. I think that’s actually supposed to be one of the purposes of the mark-bound servants. The noble person should be able to tell anything to their servant with no fear of repercussions but Tara can’t do that because she is confused about Dani. And there is really no one else for her to talk to. If she were a lower mark, her step-mother or her lady would talk to her but being the top rank, she can’t talk to anyone in her Estate. So she’s in a bad bind.

[qutoe]The test that was mentioned at the beginning of the post, I didn’t notice any test or evaluation of its outcome, Tara just seemed to be analyzing Dani’s actions and words and taking them out of context, correct me if I am wrong.[/quote]As in a test of Tara’s resolve. Not a literal test but a test of her strength of character and commitment to her chosen path.

Tara reaffirming her resolution to give Dani her freedom, unintentionally taking away her choice in yet another decision.
That’s an accurate and succinct summary of the chapter.

Thanks so much.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby grimlock72 » Tue May 22, 2007 3:18 pm

(note; these are just things I'm wondering about you don't HAVE to give the answers right away ;-))

I can easily so how Tara would end up 'waiting for Dani' if she continues on this crash course ("Iceberg, right ahead!" comes to mind). I'm mighty curious how they'll ever be able to repair all the damage in the remainder of this story though.

So let's say Mr. Finn indeed returns with T'dre in tow (given the request Tara send it's not likely she'll just provide instructions in writing to Tara, now is it??:))). Will Tara ask her father before going through with it? I can imagine this having quite an impact (both good and bad btw.) on the Maclay Estate. Besides, he might actually talk some sense into her :lol.

When will Tara finally understand that taking decisions this way pretty much guarantees they will be received badly? Tara has never been a servant of course, but she should be able to imagine how bad Dani will take this (she HAS too since Dani can't tell her). She probably is capable, but she doesn't appear to know (or think about?) that she should also look at it from Dani's point-of-view.

Which is sort of strange, given that Tara is supposed to be highly trained in diplomacy and such. Even in her current paranoia/Dani-must-hate-me mode she doesn't pause to consider how Dani might view things. For some reason she feels the need to move ahead far to fast, which conviently prevents her from asking advice (now that DOES sound oddly familiar to managers at work, heh).But really, why the hurry?

The sequel with Dani's viewpoint will be an interesting thing. It's a bit like making a movie from a book, in the way that every reader of this here story will probably have an idea of what Dani thinks about things. Should be interesting to see how that matches :D

Lots of things to wonder about in this story, good :)
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby morningstar » Tue May 22, 2007 7:52 pm

So i am still following every word of this story and re reading it and what i find the coolest is the foreshadowing. Its exactly the things that make a story the best in my opinion. There is so much layering here that i wish we would read it in my english class just to be able to disect all the little bits and peices of it. This is such an awsome story!
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby WolfNightwind » Wed May 23, 2007 5:26 pm

well i must have a slightly different take on things. while i understand everyone wanting to smack Tara for planing to free Dani without asking her first, i think it's kinda how it'd have to be. Dani is bound to Tara, basically becoming Tara's responsibility to look out for Dani's well being. and as seen earlier Dani is physically hurting when trying to fight the bond to go against what Tara wanted, so even if Tara did ask Dani if she really loved her or if she wanted to be free, wouldn't Dani, through the binding, be forced to to say or do what Tara wanted? so if Tara believe the best thing for Dani was to be free, Dani would feel she had to say 'yes free me' ? if so then really it's up to Tara to try and do what's right because Dani really CAN'T say what she wants. i mean the binding makes it so a servant never turns on their Mistress so wouldn't wanting to be free count as just that? yeah, how things are playing out sucks, but really i don't think there's much else Tara could do, it kinda needed to play out the way it did, or is, since the story's not done yet. oh and happy to hear about a sequel in the future!!!
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby hondos » Thu May 24, 2007 1:02 am

:cry Ochie...poor Dani.Poor Tara too. Another fantastic update.I'm going to be sad when this story concludes, yet I cant wait for the end so i can see if what i think is going to happen happens. .I'm trying to figure this.The format of this story has been Taras narration of the events in ,( I'm assuming) real time as she waits for DaWilli to come back.This now presents the possibility that this story may not include a reunion for these two.That or you will break format and have Tara come back and give us an update... or find out that we have a 2nd party reading from a diary or.....The sequel will pick up where you leave off...Too many possibilities.Cant wait to see the how it will end.Love this story.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby grimlock72 » Thu May 24, 2007 2:18 pm

WolfNightwind wrote:Dani is bound to Tara, basically becoming Tara's responsibility to look out for Dani's well being. and as seen earlier Dani is physically hurting when trying to fight the bond to go against what Tara wanted, so even if Tara did ask Dani if she really loved her or if she wanted to be free, wouldn't Dani, through the binding, be forced to to say or do what Tara wanted? so if Tara believe the best thing for Dani was to be free, Dani would feel she had to say 'yes free me' ?


Remember what Dani said when talking about a possible husband for Tara? She can voice her thoughts, just as long as Tara gives her ample room. Once Tara says "do this" it's pretty much end-discussion though.

Ah here's the quote:
T'ra wrote: “I know what you must do, My Lady, but I do not want us to have a husband.” I attempted to soothe and shush her but she had started crying as I had never seen, even the night of her marks. I could not make out everything she said but bits and pieces were clear. She cried that losing your will was the worst thing that could happen. That to give up her body would break her soul again and again. I rocked her and rocked her as she fell into an exhausted sleep.


(I btw. only just realised that 'again and again' doesn't nessecarely have to imply that giving up her body to Tara broke her soul initially)

Aaaaanyway, my main problem with Tara in this regard is that she simply doesn't seem to think about how Dani will view what she is planning. She just babbles on inside her head and rapidly reaches the worst conclusion possible which usually produces the worst plan to fix it. She is very much like Willow on BtVS that way

Think about it for a minute; Tara will say to Dani "I want to set you free" (or worse: "want to break our bond"). Now quickly take a wild guess as to how Dani will react, hmm?? I don't see any of that thinking in Tara, which is consistent with her previous behaviour. Still I think it will cause trouble, more trouble than can be fixed quickly to be honest.

Unless we get the 'Dallas' method of fixing things Hmm... that's from Texas too, right? Nah... Deb wouldn't do that, much too easy
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby spells42 » Thu May 24, 2007 9:37 pm

Well, Deb, you know you've written a good story when the feedback starts to contain discussion amongst the readers on top of plentiful feedback for you, as has happened here.

Sory for lack of comment this time, but I'm time poor. I'll just say that the last post was great - the emotion was harrowing - and I can't wait to read the finale. Although I don't want the story to end...

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby watty » Fri May 25, 2007 5:42 am

Tara, Stop putting thoughts in Dani's head! Stop acting like the clueless tyrannical mistress and start thinking of Dani as a person more than capable of her own thoughts. Yes, there's the ugly mark magic but it's not the Whole Universe of Your and Dani's Existence. You're making her feel inadequate with your unholy rejection. Newsflash, to someone as selflessly bound to you as Dani, the way you pushed her away was tantamount to a deep kick in the guts. See how she thought you'd met someone and don't need/want/lust after her anymore? If you love her like you claim, you start thinking from her point of view for once.

I didn't read anything in the dagger-gift. First it was commissioned long time ago; and second it's more of a ceremonial/decoration sword than a weapon. Well, I'm sure it can do harm but it's not a weapon-weapon.

“After breakfast, I need you to go into the village with me.”

Okay good. I feel anticipatory as well as anxious. I know we're heading toward the end of the story, so this is the beginning of the resolution? The first scene, of Tara waiting for Dani, that's in the village? After she (or they) does something to nullify the effects of the mark? I want to analyze and think, but I don't want to. I'm at a point when all I want is for things to be right with them, even though god forbid, Tara doesn't really deserve it.
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby Artemis » Fri May 25, 2007 9:25 am

See, now I'm really curious about what's going to happen when Tara and Dani/Willow finally face one another as equals (as I'm guessing will happen eventually). It's been the case from the start that Dani has been more aware of the reality of their relationship, and Tara far more willing to just accept whatever life sends her way without thinking about what's behind it. She entered into their whole relationship without really understanding it - not that her upbringing encouraged anything else, but there it is. And now she's so unprepared for the reality shock that she can't cope, and... is she overreacting? It's tempting to say no - well, yes, but the instinctive answer is that her and Dani's magical union is messed up - but that's our world looking at theirs. Obviously there's potential for enormous, irreperable harm to be done to Dani, but is that really what's happening? To Tara the chance that it is seems as bad as the reality, if it were.

I wonder about Dani's point of view though. She's been the aware one throughout, while Tara's sheltered point of view left her exposed to this shock. But I wonder if Dani's awareness from the beginning has bound her, so to speak, to that way of thinking - Tara, having been jolted out of her comfy world view, is more or less forced to think about other options, things beyond what her upbringing has taught her. Traumatic though it is, does that then make Tara more able to think outside the box now, and see a solution to a flawed relationship that society can't fix? The solution seems to be to free Dani, but does Dani want to be freed? If/once she is, has her upbringing prepared her to understand why Tara's doing what she's doing?

Of course there's a huge lack of communication going on... but again, that's wrapped up in the problem of Tara's power over Dani. Tara right now isn't able to believe anything she gets from Dani, for fear that it's just her own desires being reflected back at her - and the idea that she's forcing Dani to act other than of her own desires is too horrible for her to look at the situation dispassionately, so she thinks the worst of it. Ironically, Dani being bound to her has put Dani - the real Dani - beyond her reach.

I liked your short scene of Faith teaching them communication, by the way ;-)
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby tazraven » Fri May 25, 2007 9:48 pm

Deb, forgive me for the lack of feedback. I thought I’d already left some, and it turned out I’d only read the chapter. Stupid brain. Anyways, onto the feedback. At the moment, this chapter just makes me want to go to the batting cages.

She chattered about the issues she had encountered but interspersed many times how happy she was to have me home, even going so far as to admonish me for leaving her. Only the intimacy of our relationship would have allowed this admonition to pass a servant’s lips and, ironically, it was this very intimacy which made my return so terrible. She would be so much better off free from my control a few short days from now.


So, in this chapter we realize that now only was Tara oblivious about her dominance over Willow, she’s now oblivious of the possibility that Willow might like her. I know I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again. Someone should hit her on the head, repeatedly, until she gets it. There’s a spectrum. It’s not either that she loves you forever, or she hates your guts. There’s a median to everything. It’s funny how my emotions about this situation changed. I remember during one of my feedbacks I compared Tara’s dominance to rape. Yet in this chapter, I’m saying that it’s not that bad. Problem here is, we have absolutely no idea what Dani is thinking. A huge problem, since that’s really the issue. It’s not Tara controlling her if it’s what she wants, and it’s total master/slave relationship is she doesn’t. So really, I could pick this apart all I want and it still wouldn’t matter. Either way, Dani has to be the one to dispel any doubts or confirm any feelings.

I could not help feeling elated for a moment before the return of my shame and guilt was upon me. This was what she felt was required. What she knew was expected. This feeding of my ego and secret intimations and so much more were what I had taught her to provide. How very terrible a Mistress I had been for so long.


Again, we have Tara jumping to more conclusions. I feel like she’s one of those girls picking the petals off of a flower, going “She loves me, she loves me not.” Her thoughts have changed, and now it looks like the flower became bare on the “she loves me not” petal.

For I knew that if I lacked the commitment to pull away tonight, with the horror of my actions so fresh in my soul I would never change it. I would always hold and possess and abuse my love and she would never be free of my wants and desires.


I’ll give Tara this though. At least she realizes that if she does anything with Dani, she won’t be able to stop. None of that, just one more time garbage. She at least had the sense to realize what was happening and stop. Cold turkey is the only way to go.

Of course she looked like this. She was only attempting to serve her Mistress and I was rejecting her actions.


and

I felt ill to my stomach at her words. Were her actions not only performed in service of our bond but intended as payment for my gifts over the years? I gave her the necklace the night of our marking celebration and that had been the first time we…


Tara’s pissing me off. No other way to say it. She’s been pissing me off since a few chapters into it, and she’s still going strong. I feel like she’s slapping herself in the forehead, asking why she’s hitting herself over and over. At this point, I want their bonds broken, just so Dani can leave. I know that we have to have a “happy” ending in accordance with the FAQ’s, but damn it, I wish we didn’t have to. In my opinion, the only way Tara would ever deserve a second chance is if Dani came to her, bonds broken, and explicitly said that she never felt taken advantage of and that the entire time she was actually in love with her and that she couldn’t tell her this explicitly because she was in that slave position. And even then, I’d be suspicious.

“D-d-did you … did you meet someone at the wedding? A… Lord of your rank or…” I waited wondering whom else I could have met. “Did you meet someone else? A L-l-lady who might make a better… a more ap..ap..appropriate…”


I found this question interesting. Gave me that little glimmer of hope I keep searching for. I mean, if you were being taken advantage of, you wouldn’t necessarily care if your captor found someone else. You’d probably be happy about it. But I dunno. This chapter frustrated me, and while I can’t think of any other way than breaking their bonds, and Tara conforming to the old adage about letting something free and seeing if it comes back to you, I can only hope Dani has a damn good reason for coming back. Once again, Deb, the ambiguity in your writing continues to keep me guessing. Great job.

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby db » Fri May 25, 2007 9:54 pm

*is transfixed by Sara's avatar*
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby tazraven » Fri May 25, 2007 10:04 pm

lmao. Thanks db
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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby JustSkipIt » Sat May 26, 2007 5:38 pm

grimlock72 -
(note; these are just things I'm wondering about you don't HAVE to give the answers right away wink)
We’ll see what I can do for you.

Re: your curiousity about how they can repair their damage. That is probably my biggest concern: making their reconciliation seem “ok.” Is it too easy? Is it credible? Etc.

Your question about Tara asking her father is fascinating. In my original story idea, that was my intention. I had planned that there would be so document that was necessary to actually free the servant and that he would possess these (perhaps in their equivalent of a safe or something) and that she would approach him for the documents. But then I decided that the mark itself would be documentation enough. I agree that the freeing will have an impact on the Maclay Estate but I can’t say whether it will be positive or negative at this time.

It would be nice if Tara could understand the issue with her lack of communication. As I’ve explained, I don’t think that it would do a lot of good to ask Dani her opinion since Dani can’t really give a free opinion and Tara would not be able to trust it if she did. But I do think that she could give more of an explanation. You know, “Dani, I’ve realized this thing. I feel just awful and I know that you will say it’s what you want but I just can’t believe that. I am going to give you your freedom because I can’t …” Geez, what a dream that would be.

I agree that Tara is supposed to be highly trained in diplomacy but it seems that she has a major blind spot where her personal interactions and particularly her relationship with Dani is concerned.

The sequel with Dani's viewpoint will be an interesting thing. It's a bit like making a movie from a book, in the way that every reader of this here story will probably have an idea of what Dani thinks about things. Should be interesting to see how that matches grin
Yes, although it will cover different events and a different time period. I would say the closest comparison I could see would be between Interview with a Vampire to The Vampire Lestat. In the first the reader thinks Louis is so noble and that Lestat is an ignoramus and a pig but in the second, much of that interpretation is really turned on it’s head.

Thanks, always.

Morningstar – I’m glad you’re enjoying the foreshadowing. I was a little worried in the beginning that it would get tiresome but most reader seem to have made a sort of guessing game out of it and are reading the clues from it so it is working. Thanks so much.

WolfNightwind – Hello. Yes, you are right on target.
… so even if Tara did ask Dani if she really loved her or if she wanted to be free, wouldn't Dani, through the binding, be forced to to say or do what Tara wanted? so if Tara believe the best thing for Dani was to be free, Dani would feel she had to say 'yes free me' ? if so then really it's up to Tara to try and do what's right because Dani really CAN'T say what she wants.
Yes, yes, yes.

Thanks so much for your insight and support.

hondos – As I said, welcome. I totally understand your feelings about being sad that it’s ending but also very curious about what will happen and if your predictions will be borne out. They probably will…

I'm trying to figure this.The format of this story has been Taras narration of the events in ,( I'm assuming) real time as she waits for DaWilli to come back.This now presents the possibility that this story may not include a reunion for these two.That or you will break format and have Tara come back and give us an update... or find out that we have a 2nd party reading from a diary or.....
Excellent point. I will tell you this: the narration will remain Tara’s throughout.

grimlock72 – some more – Yes, Dani can voice here own thoughts but in that case, she did not have a reasonable expectation of Tara’s wishes. In the case of being Tara’s lover, she knows what Tara’s preference would be. It would be like if Tara woke up and said, “what do you want to breakfast?” If Dani had no preconceived notion of what Tara wanted she could say milkshakes or gumdrops or fried goat liver or whatever. But if she knows that Tara always likes sunny-side-up eggs on Tuesdays or Tara says “I’m really in the mood for pancakes. What do you want for breakfast?” Dani’s answer will go with what she believes Tara’s preference to be.

(I btw. only just realised that 'again and again' doesn't nessecarely have to imply that giving up her body to Tara broke her soul initially)
Thank goodness someone pointed that out. Thank you.

I love your comparison to Willow in cannon. This Tara is very much like that. Yes, you are correct that speaking directly to Dani is just going to cause more trouble. Lol: Dallas method. None of that; I promise.

Anne – Thanks so much. Yes, the feedback to this story is wonderful. I feel a bit sad that there aren’t more readers and don’t know whether that is because general board readership is lower than in years past or whether some readers started and felt like it was too complex or a bummer or whatever. But the feedback I have gotten has been amazing and wonderful and fantastic.

Thanks for your comments.

watty – Hey there. I hope all is well with you.
Tara, Stop putting thoughts in Dani's head! Stop acting like the clueless tyrannical mistress and start thinking of Dani as a person more than capable of her own thoughts. Yes, there's the ugly mark magic but it's not the Whole Universe of Your and Dani's Existence.
I’m sorry I just have to quote that entire thing. It’s just so… impassioned. Wonderful. Yes, you’re totally right that Tara wasn’t really considering other interpretations of Dani’s behavior or feelings when she so cruelly pushed her away. Of course, in her idiot mind, she was saving Dani from unwanted advances (or something similarly noble and stupid).
If you love her like you claim, you start thinking from her point of view for once.
I wonder if that’s perfect relationship advice for anyone. I mean seriously, for friends, lovers, countries, wouldn’t that be the test: can you start thinking from that other person/country’s point of view?

I didn't read anything in the dagger-gift. First it was commissioned long time ago; and second it's more of a ceremonial/decoration sword than a weapon. Well, I'm sure it can do harm but it's not a weapon-weapon.
Hmmm. It’s definitely a weapon that would be serviceable but it’s more of something for Dani to carry to keep her from having to carry a sword. Could she kill Tara with it? Yes. Will she? No.

Okay good. I feel anticipatory as well as anxious. I know we're heading toward the end of the story, so this is the beginning of the resolution? The first scene, of Tara waiting for Dani, that's in the village? After she (or they) does something to nullify the effects of the mark?
Yes, we’re heading toward the end. The next part will be the beginning of the resolution and then the final chapter = resolution. Hmmm: first scene in village? No, the first scene and the entire narration from then to now has taken place with Tara sitting in that chair by the window in her (and Dani’s bedroom).

Wow: Tara doesn’t deserve it?

We’ll see….

Thanks.

Chris – Hey there. I’m not sure that equals will be so much a reality. I mean Tara is the Lady of a high ranking estate. What’s the best that Willow can do? I guess if she married a Lord she would be Lady, other than that? Not a Lady ever. But more equal? Certainly. Not bound. Seems likely.

It's been the case from the start that Dani has been more aware of the reality of their relationship, and Tara far more willing to just accept whatever life sends her way without thinking about what's behind it. She entered into their whole relationship without really understanding it
A very accurate assessment.

I think that your question of what is really happening in the relationship with Dani is huge. That really is the question mark, isn’t it?

But I wonder if Dani's awareness from the beginning has bound her, so to speak, to that way of thinking - Tara, having been jolted out of her comfy world view, is more or less forced to think about other options, things beyond what her upbringing has taught her.
If I understand what you’re asking, that’s a really fascinating question. How has Dani’s upbringing and role kept her from seeing?

Does Dani want to be freed? I wouldn’t think so but…

Of course there's a huge lack of communication going on... but again, that's wrapped up in the problem of Tara's power over Dani.
Yes, completely. Your summary of the issues with Tara being able to ask and find out what Dani wants are right on target.

Thanks.

Sara – Don’t worry about it. I do that all the time where I think I already did it but didn’t. Thanks for catching up here.

Yes, Tara’s totally oblivious to the signs that Dani cares for her. Again with the head-hitting. I don’t think I’ve ever read feedback to any story on this board that has had readers so eager to beat up one of our heroines. Spectrum: great point. I guess to Tara it is that choice since she thinks that she’s violated Dani so of course Dani would hate her.

It’s funny how my emotions about this situation changed. I remember during one of my feedbacks I compared Tara’s dominance to rape. Yet in this chapter, I’m saying that it’s not that bad. Problem here is, we have absolutely no idea what Dani is thinking.
Yes! Exactly. As the writer, it’s been fascinating to me to continue to read feedback given what was happening at that moment and see how peoples’s attitudes have shifted.

Either way, Dani has to be the one to dispel any doubts or confirm any feelings.
I love that!

Yes, Tara is actually noticing her own feelings and her weakness. Yay for cold turkey.

Tara’s pissing me off. No other way to say it. She’s been pissing me off since a few chapters into it, and she’s still going strong. I feel like she’s slapping herself in the forehead, asking why she’s hitting herself over and over.
Like we all do sometimes… And I think you’re the 2nd in the last 3 fbs that would like to see Dani leave and not come back in spite of rules. Alas…

In my opinion, the only way Tara would ever deserve a second chance is if Dani came to her, bonds broken, and explicitly said that she never felt taken advantage of and that the entire time she was actually in love with her and that she couldn’t tell her this explicitly because she was in that slave position.
And my very very very genuine question is: would that work for you?

Yes, Dani’s question is very glimmery. Thanks so much for your analysis and comments.

db – Isn’t that the truth!

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Re: Waiting for Dani

Postby tarawhipped » Sat May 26, 2007 7:01 pm

I don't usually reply to replies, but I felt compelled...first off because the Faith intervention you outlined for Second Fig was hilarious. Secondly, there was this:
Debra wrote:In my original story idea, that was my intention. I had planned that there would be so document that was necessary to actually free the servant and that he would possess these (perhaps in their equivalent of a safe or something) and that she would approach him for the documents. But then I decided that the mark itself would be documentation enough. I agree that the freeing will have an impact on the Maclay Estate but I can’t say whether it will be positive or negative at this time.


To which I say Ah Ha! So the document would be like a contract, and if both parties wished it, it could be destroyed, thus ending said contract. I therefore put it to you that, although you claim the dagger has no hidden significance, Tara will use it to render the binding contract null and void by cutting off her own marked hand! Yes, I have figured you out, Debra. Really, I'm a little disappointed. It's all so obvious.

-Cam
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