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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby Willow~Rosenberg » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:20 am

Hello again. Wow. What an update! Liked the whole racing down the stairs finding them coming back from taking out the trash thing. All tenses and then- "Maybe, maybe we shouldn't have taken out the trash." lol

Also liked Faith's analogy about the dream and strip club. Totallly Faith. *sigh*

I was glancing at the first couple feedback and wanted to comment on something. I don't think that the Scooby Gang is so much dense as not wanting to consider using Dawn and Xander for bait. They just went through the horrifying experience of Willow almost succeeding with a suicide attempt and Giles, Anya, Buffy, and Tara also being lured into an attempt at suicide. I don't think that they wasnt to put Dawn and Xander in that kind of danger. They all knew how it felt and they wouldn't want other to feel that sense of hopelessness either.

I'm curious to see what transpires next.
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby the hero factor » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:59 pm

Dawn piped up, "And while I did not shower with--"

"Don't say it!" came five voices, united in a new and altogether different kind of horror.


Hee! And ew. But mostly hee.

Phew, Xander and Dawn are alright. I have to say, I didn't get the bait thing right away, and was curious as to what the looks between Xander and Dawn meant. I'm wondering how this bait thing is gonna work. Sounds interesting.

"And I'll teach her what to do if someone tries to fuck her over," Anya put in decisively. "As Dr. Seuss wrote, 'Oh, The Tortures You'll Know!'"

"Um, I think that's 'Oh, The Places You'll Go,'" Willow ventured hesitantly, casting a worried look at her mate.

"Sure. That's what it ended up as," Anya said darkly. "But the original? The illustrations alone..."


I love the stuff Anya comes out with. Setting everyone straight about all these things. What would we do without her. And I like Anya trailing off right there. "The illustrations alone..." I can just imagine, heh.
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:45 pm

Hello, all. Well, the party was a huge success. My old farmhouse was virtually festooned with carved pumpkins, spider webs, and black lights. As for my costume...It was a thing of grotesque beauty. I truly embodied wanton, poorly-thought-out sexual encounters and I think--no, I know--that I'm a better person for the experience. Thank you.

Now, on to feedback. I'm feeling a little better since hearing that not everyone saw what was coming. But whatever will Xander and Dawn do? And how will the gang capture this guy if they do lure him there? Troubling question with perhaps troubling answers...But on a happier note: the Bush Administration is imploding! Two things, Scooter: 1) Yer busted, and 2) yer not a kid anymore, so lose the silly-ass nickname.

Lt. Sticks: First of all: that's a damn fine avatar ya got there. Secondly, I hope your neck wasn't stiff the next morning! What are we gonna do w/ those crazy kids? Thanks for the good thoughts!

Tal: I am here for you, Tal, and will reward your devotion:
guide you through times of drought and slim-pickings and stir you clear of the Ultimate Danger, also known as I-totally-lied-when-I-said-I'm-not-looking-for-anything-serious-either girls

Yes, and I shall nudge you with an incorporeal arm when I see you heading toward the one woman--yes, her--at the bar and such a thing could only lead to a Bear-Trap Morning: when you wake up, remember what you did, and realize you'd rather gnaw your arm off like a bear in a trap than shift it and risk waking her up.
ok so a shot of me in a bikini counts, right?

Oh yes--it certainly does.

Wonderfully astute point on the POV, Tal. Willow is almost invariably my protagonist and among other things it makes me be very purposeful in my descriptions. I can only use those adverbs and adjectives which are reasonable from observation. Actually, I don't think I should have said that "Faith took an instinctive step back" in that last update b/c only Faith herself could say that it was instinctive (and she ain't talkin'). I could say she took a hasty step back, or a quick step, b/c others could observe that. Anyway, I appreciate both the perspective and the affirmation in your observation.

You asked:
isn't the whole idea behind a prophecy is that it originates with fate itself – meaning it is not created by anything, but is simply there to be discovered?

It's fascinating to read people's ideas on prophecy, and fate, and free will. I'll be curious to see what people think of how all this ends up, from a philosophical point of view.

As always, Tal, I read your words and just get a huge smile. Thanks so much for following this and for leaving such great ideas and support. Rock on, Bikini Girl!

Hey Justin! Is that you in the pic? Cute!

You noted:
I think they were too quick to reject Anya's idea. I mean they're right that they couldn't tell people about the demon aspect but maybe just say that some kind of drug has accidentally been released into the water supply and that whilst it's harmless to most people, some people might have suicidal urges and that if they have certain symptoms they should seek medical attention right away.

Interesting point, and one I hadn't considered. I was thinking how frustrating it must be to have this knowledge, but not enough knowledge to stop it OR to give specific warning symptoms. But I like your point.

You raise many questions about the particulars of the plan, and they're good ones. This is definitely an idea born of desperation, not logic, and we'll see how difficult it is in the next update. We'll also see just how much the others cheer wildly.

Now, as for this suggestion:
Actually a better idea (though only better in the sense of making them, or maybe just me, feel better) is to visit the Anadeis again and taking a shotgun with them, "hey bitches, prophesise this!"

I can't condone such violent and uncivilized acts, Justin. I would need them to say, "Hey bitches, please prophesy this!" That's just how I feel...

Love seeing your name here, Justin! Thanks for coming along for the ride.

Leather Queen: Faith's bits indeed...I could spend a long time contemplating those bits. You're absolutely right, of course: Bub won't be the least bit happy. Damn.

I loved your observation about Faith and Buffy as a couple in a very specific way. I see them as such comrades in arms, soul sisters in a way. Their bond is heightened here by the fact that they're teaming up to protect a child. It just works for me, somehow.

Thanks for the good thoughts and the Halloween wishes. Nobody plays dress-up in your neck of the woods? You shoulda been here!

Kate: First of all, kudos on the word "glowering." I think it's one of the most underused in the English language! God, I love the good doc as well. When the Grinch ties those horns onto Max's head, and Max starts up that mountain...You know, we used to have a Kitten named Cindy Lou Who, but I don't see her on here anymore.

Good points, all, about the BB's choice: easy, or gratifying. I see this thing as being pissed that it missed (hey, I rhymed!) and so he's more likely to go after the Scoobies because after all, he's 0-for-5 on that front and we all know about that lovely juxtaposition of pride and fall.

You tell your avatar that it's quite alright about the salivating tongue. At least it's not being all coy...Thanks for the good thoughts, Kate; hope you had a good Halloween.

Watson: I figure the kids are thinking this is their one chance to nail the guy, b/c heaven knows they don't have any other leads. You know, I like "rallying" moments like the ones you noted, esp. when it draws characters like Buffy and Faith closer together. Obviously, I have great affection for Faith in this story.

As you noted,
Kyra isn't exactly likely to say when she's 18, "Bye all, I'm off to study for an MBA and be a management consultant."

Heh, and heh again! And if she does, we'll track her down and say, "What are you thinking, young woman? We need you for a story!"

I appreciate your following this and leaving such thoughtful fb, dear Watson. May your week start off well!

Jixer: As you so dryly observed,
Now we have a chance to lay down plastic and put away the breakables.

I laughed out loud at that. Yes, indeed--'cuz this ain't gonna go over well. I like your observation about Giles: he's in the unenviable position, so frequently, of having to say what is least enjoyable yet most practical, and this may well be another instance of such.

It's always good to see your name, Jixer--and I'm looking forward to more of Dance of the Salamander. Take care!

WillowRosenberg: Taking a break from the academic craziness, yes?

I'll join you in sighing about Faith. *Sigh*

You said:
I don't think that the Scooby Gang is so much dense as not wanting to consider using Dawn and Xander for bait.

That's what I was trying for; I'm not sure how it worked out. But no, they've seen this horror and in my mind I saw them as in some ways knowing/expecting such a thing yet so hoping that somehow they could think of something else.

Glad you're enjoying this, WR. I like that the board gives you some escape pleasure! Thanks.

HeroFactor: Well, you're not the only one who didn't see it coming and as the author: I'm glad! And I loved your point about Anya trailing off! The implication is so much more dire, I think! I spent much of last week working late decorating my house and I was watching horror movies on American Movie Classics. The ones I love, that scare me so much more, are the ones who don't show any blood at all or very, very little.

Thanks for following this and for the kind words.

OK--that's all for now.
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby the hero factor » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:54 pm

And I loved your point about Anya trailing off!


Then I'm glad I edited to add it, because I forgot to mention it at first, but it really did make that whole exchange, IMO.

The ones I love, that scare me so much more, are the ones who don't show any blood at all or very, very little.


I agree. Blood and gore aren't scary, they're gross. And I like to be scared, not grossed out.
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby Modjadji » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:51 am

Hi Mary.

Well, if ever an idea was going to go over badly...I'm interested to see how Dawn and Xander manage to sell this one. While Buffy has grown in leaps and bounds over the course of this fic and GS&A, I'm still pretty sure she has a knee-jerk veto in her somewhere. Anya won't be too happy, either.

I'd also love to find out what on earth D and X plan on doing to the BB once they're "infected", so to speak. Unless W/T have some mojo up their sleeves to trap the spirit of Despair in a little glass bottle, they don't really know enough about what's attacking them to cause it any serious damage. Can't wait to see what they come up with, if the plan goes through.

I'm very glad to see that Kyra gets to choose her calling. I do want to know what sort of choice it'll be, though. Is it the same sort of "choice" the Slayers get to make? They get the superpowers and the squicky dreams and they just get to choose what they do with them. Or does Kyra get to consciously choose whether she gets her power at all? Because it strikes me that she already has some sort of supernatural power (the homophobe-smackdown incident, for example). Basically, it's the difference between Kyra choosing between two equally valid paths - normal human or Guardian - and her denying something that's already a part of who she is.

I'm also interested to see the Anadeis call this BB "Truth writ large", because it strikes me that, particularly in Willow's case, it seemed to be manipulating her thoughts and even her senses to give a very distorted view of the truth indeed. It played off her latent insecurities to make her believe that Tara and Faith were together, which was clearly rubbish. I see this BB more as something like "concentrated essence of playground bully", picking at our insecurities until we crack. It uses elements of the truth, sure, but its goal isn't so much to "obliterate ignorance" as it is to distort its victims' perceptions.

Maybe I'm just idealistic, but I don't think our overriding ignorance is the only thing that keeps us from going off the deep end (although I'm sure it helps :) ). It strikes me that while the Anadeis have a decent idea about how people tick up to a point, they grossly underestimate them beyond that.

On a lighter note, the little pieces of humor in between the tough stuff in the last update really made it for me.

"Leaves no trace, can't be seen, felt, heard, or smelled," Dawn continued. "We'll leave out taste," she added.

"We always do," Giles said drily.


Hee and hee. Must come from the same part of your brain that spawned "Quickie, the Goddess of One-Night Stands". I was going to engage in some blatant intercontinental costume plagiarism, but my girlfriend roped me into taking some shelter kids trick-or-treating tonight, and I don't think purple, sparkly dildos generally go over well with parents, more's the pity.

Also enjoyed spotting the little Buffy/Faith moments, although it could still go either way. That moment when the two of them swore to protect Kyra was beautifully written. Willow's thoughts about amazing women echoed mine right there. I do agree with you - Buffy makes a more entertaining supporting character than she does a lead. She was always more likeable in her goofy sidekick moments. Otherwise there's a tendency to get stuck in an "I'm the Chosen One, see me roar and sob and wail and squawk" rut. As a person? Understandable. As the lead in a tv show? Not so much fun to watch.

Two great updates! Must shut up now.

Cheers,
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby tal » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:59 pm

Mary,

I am here for you, Tal, and will reward your devotion.


I think we should probably come up with a few blessings for this new and budding religion… or is it a philosophy?... hmmm… anyway, something along the lines of – may your socks be silent and the dwelling door un-squeaky… – a blessing for the early morning retreater (ok, so that's not a word. Sue me, I dare ya…).

Actually, I don't think I should have said that "Faith took an instinctive step back" in that last update b/c only Faith herself could say that it was instinctive (and she ain't talkin').


I'm not sure you shouldn’t have, which is to say – I think it worked. Taking an 'instinctive step back' is something that can be spotted, especially by someone as observant as Willow, who knows enough about backing away from a potentially embarrassing situation to recognize it. That's what's so great about a Willow POV, I think – she's maybe only second to Tara at the art of observation, and that gives you a lot of leverage as a writer while still keeping it somewhat subjective. (ok, not sure I got my point across as clearly as I wished, but this is after an 18 hour day, so please forgive me.)

As always, Tal, I read your words and just get a huge smile.


Not half as big as mine when I read yours.

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby Safuega » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:56 pm

Mary wrote:
Womanhandle them? Oh, but if I do that they might like it...


:lol That's what I totally like about you Mary, that not only are you an excellent story teller but you also have a great sense of humor.

Now about this update, I continue with the callousness and I'm all for Xander and Dawn being death bait. If we accomplish nothing more than plot advancement, then Xander and Dawn in danger is as good a plot device as any. But presuming to know you Mary, I would say that this could be one of your redeeming/rehabilitating adventures. Neither Dawn nor Xander proved to be very heroic and at times they were downright unlovable in canon, so this little plan of luring the BB may just be their ticket to a shining moment. Either way, carry on gentle scribe! I'm beginning to wonder whether I have subconscious hostile feelings for Xander and Dawn... :hmm

My favorite parts of this update? The Buffy and Faith exchange. In a different world and under different circumstances their exchanged 'everything I have' could have been a declaration of love. Totally liked how you showed that Faith has grown up. The canon Faith would have never asked for help, Buffy's or anybody else's. So, it's nice to see that Faith despite her prior bravado has come to terms with her limitations and is willing to reach out and ask for help. We saw a glimpse of that the night she talked to Willow, but I like the fact that she is asking for Buffy's help and that Buffy is so willing to help her.

Kudos on the update, and onto the sacrifice!

Safuega

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby simplyblue » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:27 am

Hi Mary,

(Dare I ask what midwest state? I'm originally an Ohio girl myself...)


I've been living in Indiana for, wow, nearly a decade, excepting a half-year spent in the wilds of West Texas. But I originally hail from the east coast...

Well, I've got a bunch of mixed feelings about this chapter, or at least what it symbolizes to me. You see, I've finally caught up with the story, and I'm completely hooked. And I can't decide whether the more apt metaphor is of a junkie needing her fix or a a sub awaiting her mistress' pleasure. In any event, there are some serious power dynamics at play here....

Onto more text-specific commentary. As before, I'm drawn to the parent-child dynamic in the fic because it resonates with my own experiences as an adoptive parent. And so this passage really spoke to me:
Giles looked at her uncomfortably. "Is it possible that these latest victims are the price for--for the greater good?"

"You mean the price for Kyra," Tara said flatly.

"By extension--yes." The Watcher's voice made it abundantly clear that he didn't enjoy this line of thinking at all.

Oh goddess...not that, too. How many things would they have to explain to Kyra? Willow pictured their daughter, sleeping only a few yards away, and felt overwhelmed at the thought of all they would have to say to her over the years. Maybe it'll make the sex talk seem like a snap...


Yeesh. How do you explain to your child that the reason she's with you is because something horrible happened/is happening/will happen? It's just heartbreaking.

On a happier note, I'm loving Faith in this fic. In fact, I find the Faith subplot as interesting as the W/T/K plot. I'm a little surprised by this, but I think it's partly because of the nature of the KittenBoard. I know W/T are going to be all right, but I don't know whether Buffy will fall in love with Faith. Canon Buffy has never pinged my gaydar, but this Buffy isn't canon Buffy. She's "Better Buffy." (We can re-write her: better, stronger, gayer than before.) Better Buffy is clearly drawn to Faith and solicitous of her feelings. But is she capable of falling in love with her? I look forward to finding out.

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:28 pm

Hello, all. I'll be updating later tonight (Thursday). Thanks again.

Hero Factor:
Yeah, I'm not much for the timber or the blood. Gimme Hitchcock every time. (Did you know that Janet Leigh found it almost impossible to shower after she made that movie?)

Modjadji: Hey Mo--good to see you again! Good questions on the "plan" front. We'll see about that. As for Kyra's choices, she'll choose whether she actually uses those powers to be the Guardian. If the BB gets his ten, the powers kick-start. It's like a virus that lies dormant until she's trained, and after that she actually gets to choose whether to bring it to full potency which, as I write this, isn't the best analogy in the world. Hmm...Anyway, she won't get to choose whether she has the capacity to be the Guardian, only whether she acts on that capacity.

You're right about the BB's "name." The "truth writ large" element comes from the victims' perceptions. Again, I'm drawing on what many suicidal people feel to the bone when they're in the pit of despair. It feels as if this is absolutely the truth, and one so undeniable as to preclude any other course of action (than self-destruction) as ridiculous. I don't think that Despair is Truth, either; but to people so deep in that despair, I think it does.

Oh God, I'm so glad you liked the Giles comment on taste b/c, I confess, that was my very favorite one. (Yes, I play favorites within my updates--don't tell them.) Funny you mentioned the Halloween thing. My good friends asked on Monday if I wanted to go w/ them to take their kids T&T'ing and I had this wonderful image of me wandering the bucolic streets of my fair village, condoms and lubricant packages festooned on my wings; cigarette hanging out of whore-red lips, and a sparkly, glitter-dusted vibrator wrapped around my neck. "Um, maybe next year," I regretfully replied.

Glad you're enjoying F&B; they're fun to write; definitely fun to play with in my head. (Heh...) Thanks for following this, Mo--love having you around!

Tal: Silent socks and softened stairs, indeed! Oh, the times my footwear and the floorboard have betrayed me..."What? Oh, I was just getting a drink. Sure, I'll be right back and we can start planning our commitment ceremony." Yikes!

Interesting thoughts on perspective. I wasn't sure if "instinctive" can be reliably inferred. But you make a good point about Willow: she knows a thing or two about avoiding potential social debacles and squishy things. Hmm...You know, I think sticking to one POV helps my discipline as a writer b/c I have to be very purposeful about such things; no 3rd-person limited omniscient here...Ah, but Quickie disdains discipline. She fights my best efforts...

So we're just grinnin' at each other across the miles, then, Tal--works for me! Consider yourself rocking.

Safuega: First of all, thanks for the kind words on humor. That's probably my favorite aspect of writing, so it's nice to know it comes off well!

So...Unconscious hostility toward Xander and Dawn, eh? Perhaps some therapy would be helpful...

What? Oh, not me. I suck.

But yes--this plan is the only one they can envision, and it's simply not within the Scooby mentality to hunker down and avoid.

I'm really enjoying writing Faith. As many people have noted, her character had so much potential and it seemed as though they used her as a utility player, filling in whatever gaps they needed: villain here; hero there; vulnerable child over there in that corner. I want to give her a little more consistency and core: not to lose her wildness and unpredictability, but to finally give it some focus. Plus, let's face it: her and Buffy? Drool, and drool again--at least, for me.

Bring on the sacrifice? Oh, Safuega--'tis a character carnivore you are!

Thanks again for following this and bringing such great ideas to my attention.

Simply Blue Hey, (originally) Indiana girl. Hoosier Homo? And insofar as metaphors are concerned, howzabout you go with a junkie whose dealer is also her mistress? Let's face it, that'll give you yer power dynamic!

You know, it's really interesting to read your observations on the parental aspect. You have a very unique vantage point, and it helps to hear about it.

Great point, too, about the foregone knowledge that W&T will be OK, regardless of what obstacles and perils they face. But with other characters--who knows? And oh, heavens, how much did I laugh at this:
(We can re-write her: better, stronger, gayer than before.)

Quite a lot, actually. Muchly and muchly more.

So glad you're enjoying this, Blue. Thanks for letting me know!

OK--update later tonight; probably around 11'ish, EST.
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby Modjadji » Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:50 pm

Firstly,

(We can re-write her: better, stronger, gayer than before.)


I think that just made my day, nay, my week. Which is hard to do, seeing as it's exam time. Secondly, in the theme of exam-time procrastination, and tying in nicely with the above comment, I was re-reading bits of GS&A today, and found this little gem:

"So, I’m guessing that that plan doesn’t include me?" Buffy’s voice broke into their temporary oblivion to her presence. Not for the first time, Willow found herself wondering just how exclusively Buffy really batted for the other team.


So you see, if you do now choose to drive the B/F relationship beyond friendsville (but no pressure...:devil) you can quite comfortably say you've been foreshadowing that particular plot development for a staggering 72 chapters!

I'm bored, so sue me.

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby Washi » Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:29 pm

< waits patiently for the update, though she knows she hasn't been leaving feedback lately, for she is in lurker-mode >
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby SakuraEtsuko » Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:59 pm

*waits not so patiently with Washi....feeling guilty cuz she too has been in lurker mode*

Hello AntigoneUnbound!

I just thought that its about time i post a reply lol seeing as how ive been reading this fic the whole time. I just wanted to drop a note to say how wonderful i think your writing is! how beautiful! and i am enjoying this story very very much...i cant wait to see what happens next!

I have a seminar to go to..ethics in medicine lol which i dont know how ill get through cuz im so anxious for the update but i promise to leave lots of FB after i read it this time instead of lurking!

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:06 pm

Hello, all. Some final replies, and then the update.

Mo:
Hey, SimplyBlue gets all the credit for the Six Million Dollar Buffy comment and yes, I laughed most uproariously as well. I know you wanna get some o' that Buffy and Faith action, girl...So I set it up that far in advance, did I? 72 chapters? Damn--I'm never that well-prepared!

Yer crackin' me up, Mo, ya big Fluffy ho!

Washi: Hey, I've missed you! Leave what you can, when you can. It's just good to see you.

SakuroEtsuko: Nice to see you! Thanks so much for the kind words; I really appreciate it. Medical ethics class, eh? Yeah, probably not something you should miss...Stop by whenever you feel like it--the light's always on!

OK--on to Part 28
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby GayNow » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:17 pm

Stop by whenever you feel like it--the light's always on!


Wow! Mary's like the Kitten Board Motel 6....SWEET!
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:27 pm

AS TIME GOES BY

Part 28

Synopsis:
Willow and Tara have been chosen to destroy the One Ring, and undertake an epic adventure of danger, mystical beasts, and untold millions in product placement alone. Wait; something's wrong there...

Pairings: Willow and Tara; Laverne and Shirley; Peppermint Patty and Marcy

Distribution: Go; take this story and set it free upon the winds. And when they ask you who wrote this saga, tell them this: A tall lesbian with a great rack. (I speak but the truth.)

Disclaimer: There once was a hack named Joss,
Who owned these folks, much to our loss.
When we saw what went down,
We all glanced around
And said, "Guess who's been hittin' the sauce."


********


Some ideas are greeted with great enthusiasm. Listeners jostle and clamor for the chance to be involved.

Other ideas are greeted with cautious interest, as potential participants weigh the relative risks and benefits.

Still others are greeted with derision, disdain, and disbelief. The only question, really, is finding an adverb that adequately captures how spectacularly ill-advised this plan is.

And then there was Xander and Dawn's idea.

Watching the scene unfold, Willow suspected that the Wright Brothers' little drawings had been greeted with less vociferous discouragement.

And that had science going for it.

Anya and Buffy, predictably, led the outrage brigade.

"You fell off a beam at work, didn't you?" Anya demanded, hands on hips. "No, wait--someone misfired one of those nail guns and sent a big metal projectile right into your frontal lobes. You know, you've combed your hair to cover it very realistically."

"You're in the gifted program at school, and you came up with this?" Buffy asked Dawn incredulously. "Who's considered average--Paris Hilton?"

Willow heard the fear behind the outcry. Looking at the others, she tried to gauge their reactions. Her gaze froze on one person in particular. Giles was conspicuous by his silence. His face, though, was drawn and tense.

He already thought of this. He would never suggest it, but he thought of it.

And her own reaction? She realized that in the midst of her fear, she was...proud.

Proud that these two people had thought of such a thing, were willing to do such a thing. It was so easy to overlook them both, amid the Slayers and the witches and the Watcher and the ex-demon, especially since Dawn was no longer the Key. But Dawn's request before the showdown with Glory had proved to Willow that she knew the meaning of sacrifice.

And Xander--always tagging along, it seemed, never playing a starring role. So willing to pass judgement on others; so much less inclined to turn that lens upon his own soul and psyche. But she had never, ever doubted his courage. She never would.

"Listen, if we could just turn down the volume from 'Metallica concert' to 'high school football game,' that would be helpful," the carpenter was saying.

"Right. Very good. Let's have perfect acoustics for this plan that involves USING YOU AS BAIT!" Anya was glaring at her husband.

Forget the Big Bad and suicide, Xander. Your wife's gonna kill you herself.

"You guys, would you just hear us out?" Dawn pleaded. Willow noticed that Faith had moved just behind Buffy, standing in silent support. She also noticed, though, that Faith wasn't exactly shouting her opposition to the plan. Mostly she looked angry and helpless.

Dawn turned to her sister. "Buffy, think about it! This is our only shot to get this guy. Do you really see any other option? Unless Wesley has another source he hasn't told us about, we'll never figure this thing out in time to stop it. He needs two more--let's make him an offer he can't refuse."

"No. Absolutely not." Willlow had never heard Buffy's voice sound so flat.

"Buffy, c'mon," Xander said exasperatedly. "We can't just sit back and hope for the best."

"Yes, actually we can," Anya broke in. "We can keep studying and trying to figure it out and above all we can choose not to make ourselves sitting ducks and put ourselves out there with a freakin' apple practically stuffed in our mouth. And by 'ourselves,' of course, I mean you two!"

Xander looked at his wife helplessly, then turned to face the rest of them. "OK, what about you guys? What do you think?"

Oh, shit...

Because she wasn't really surprised, was she? Eight had been taken. All of the Scoobies had been attacked except two. You didn't need perfect scores on your SAT's to see the implications. But did that mean she supported the idea? On the one hand, success would spare Kyra the duty of Guardianship--although apparently Kyra could spare herself that life if she so chose.

But we could make it a moot point... And that, she realized, was the cause for her desperation: she knew, as surely as she knew that she would keep fighting, that Kyra would choose to fight as well.

She was shaken out of her reflection by Buffy's vehement, "It doesn't matter what they think."

Excuse me?

"Whoa, B." The reluctance in Faith's voice was matched only by its quiet insistence.

Buffy wheeled to face her counterpart. "What--you think this is a good idea?"

"I dunno," Faith replied, her mouth tightening even as she shrugged. "Lotta kinks to work out to see if it even is a plan. But I think we need to give everybody a vote, especially those two." She jerked her head in the direction of Dawn and Xander.

Buffy glared at Faith for a moment. "I thought you understood," she practically whispered.

"More than you know, B," came the miserable reply. The two Slayers locked eyes--Buffy's face accusing; Faith's, impassive.

"Just listen to us." Dawn's urgent voice broke the silence.

Buffy turned her back on Faith. "Go ahead, Dawn. Tell us about this wonderful plan." She addressed her sister but she was staring at Xander. Once again, Willow realized, her best friend was holding her oldest friend responsible for putting her sister in danger. He was the only person in the room that Buffy currently resented more than Faith.

To his credit, Xander didn't expend energy trying to defend himself. He returned Buffy's gaze steadily, and when he spoke, his voice was calm. "First of all, we're not talking about wandering off in the middle of the night to roam the streets of Sunnydale," he began. "You guys would be nearby the whole time. And we certainly wouldn't be carrying, oh, knives or guns or cyanide tablets in our pockets."

"This is ridiculous," Anya muttered. "I can't believe we're even talking about this."

"Ahn, it's been barely a week, and we're already desperate," Xander replied, and now frustration spilled out in his voice. "We're hiding here, under constant surveillance from each other, listening to the news and just waiting for the next one, and the the next one. We read and we study and we consult and we don't know shit!" He broke off helplessly, then added, "She had three kids, Anya. We knew he was here, but we didn't know what to do, and now three kids have no mother. God, you remember how Trevor's partner looked. Can we really just sit here and...hope?" He reached for his wife's hand, but Anya showed no interest in sharing it.

"You were talking about your plan, Xander," Buffy broke in. "You were assuring us nothing could go wrong."

"Lay off him!" Dawn said angrily. "I'm not ten, and he didn't talk me into running with scissors. I suggested this in the first place."

"And he just went right along with it?" Buffy asked, eyes narrowing to slits.

"No, he actually suggested that he try it by himself," Dawn retorted. "And I reminded him, as I seem to need to remind you, that I've been speaking in complete sentences for quite some time now. I'll make up my own mind."

"Like hell you will," Buffy shot back, her voice rising. "If your complete sentences made any sense then maybe I'd--"

The crackle of the monitor brought this lovely exchange to an abrupt halt, as one and then another plaintive cry reached their ears, followed by a long, shuddering intake of breath and finally a full-out wail of no small fury.

"You woke Kyra!" Buffy and Dawn accused each other simultaneously.

"Oh, very good," Willow sighed. "Say it a little louder, just to make sure her nap is irretrievably over." The two sisters glared at each other in silence now, but it was too late. The cries went on unabated until Tara gave Willow a rueful glance and stood up, shaking her head. "I'll get her, Sweetie. You stay here and see how Round Two goes."

The room fell silent as Tara left. Looking back at the others, Willow tried to rein in her own frustration, but she'd only had that one drama class and her performance in "Death of a Salesman" had been uneven at best. "Sorry," came two sheepish voices after a moment.

"Everybody's stressed, I know that," she replied diplomatically, although she did allow a tiny bit of martyrdom to slip into her tone. "But can we possibly discuss this a little more calmly?"

Agreements of varying enthusiasm greeted this request, and then she heard a slight padding on the stairs. Looking back over her shoulder, she saw Tara heading toward them, bobbing a still-restive Kyra against her shoulder. She was frankly surprised: she had assumed that her mate would try to rock their child back to sleep in the chair upstairs. Tara, though, had other plans.

"I'm just going to walk her around down here for a bit," she said casually, but Willow recognized her plan. No one would want to get too hostile if Kyra were in the room. Catching Tara's eye, Willow gave her a wink, to which Tara responded with a conspiratorial grin.

We may not get her back down as quickly, but it's worth it to stop a full-scale escalation.

"So. We were talking about our plan," Dawn began, speaking in studiously measured tones.

"Yes," Anya said tersely, just this side of a whisper. "Your very, very bad plan."

"And again I say: what choice do we have?" Xander replied. "Do any of us just want to sit around and wait?" Anya's hand shot quickly into the air.

"We're not doing nothing," Buffy protested. "We've been researching 'round the clock."

"OK, so let's narrow our definition of 'doing,'" Xander countered. "Let's really make it an action verb. What have we done?" Even Buffy had no answer for this. "Giles--do you see us having any kind of breakthrough in the immediate future? I mean, really?"

The Watcher spoke for the first time, and when he did it seemed to Willow that he selected his words with great care. "No, Xander, I don't. I've exhausted every contact I have; consulted every possible text. Put simply: I can't imagine that we would learn anything that would prove immediately valuable."

Buffy turned upon him with the look of the supremely betrayed, but he forestalled her with a raised palm. "Before you verbally and perhaps physically eviscerate me, Buffy, allow me to ask you a question: Would you not do the same thing, were you in their position?"

"Rhetorical question, Giles," she replied through gritted teeth. "I'm not in their position."

"So there's no need even to consider it?" the Watcher continued. "Because I think that as frightening as this certainly is, it represents the only tangible course of action available to us. I also think that, as Faith pointed out, there are other votes to be considered."

"My vote's the same as Buffy's," Anya chimed in. She had moved to Xander's side, and now clung to his arm as if she might physically restrain him from doing anything not to her liking. Willow had a sudden image of Xander strolling about casually, trying to catch this demon's attention, with his wife draped over his back, shouting invectives against both demon and husband.

"Stop it," Dawn implored, then glanced at Kyra and took a moment to steady herself. "Buffy, I know you want to protect me. Anya, you want to protect Xander. I get it. But if you physically hold me back, then you'd better be prepared to explain to Kyra just why she's the Guardian: because we were too scared to do anything."

Oh, that's gonna go over well...

And true enough, Buffy recoiled sharply. "Don't you dare try to lay a guilt trip on me!" she practically hissed. "Kyra gets to choose, either way!"

"Fine. So what if she doesn't want to do it, but feels like she has to, out of duty? We'll have to tell her that we had at least a shot at getting her off the hook but didn't try it. And if it turns out she does want to be the Guardian, we'll have to tell her that part of why she has these powers is because we let two innocents die."

"It's not that simple," Buffy protested, but Willow could see the internal battle raging behind the stung response.

"I think it is," Dawn shrugged. "If you didn't want me thinking for myself and being a part of all this, you should have shipped me off to boarding school a long, long time ago. Where I probably would have gotten expelled for truancy, what with grabbing the bus back here to fight demons and all," she added.

Buffy looked desperately from Dawn to Xander and then back again. It seemed to Willow that both Buffy and Anya had the look of women who know the scales have tipped and are completely at a loss as to how to right them. Unexpectedly, Buffy turned to Faith.

"What do you think? Really?"

Faith's raised eyebrows asked for confirmation that Buffy wanted an honest answer. At the silent nod, the Dark Slayer drew a slow breath. "I think it's our best shot, B. And I think it sucks that it's our best shot." Again, Willow had the sense of everyone else fading away, including Tara and herself this time. There were only two very powerful women: one asking what she didn't want to ask; the other saying what she didn't want to say.

"Well I still think it's the most asinine idea I've heard since JFK put the top down on the convertible," Anya broke in bitterly. "Not that it apparently matters."

"Ahn, honey, it does matter," Xander replied gently. "But this is about the bigger picture." He hesitated, and then added, "Besides, it's the--"

"You tell me it's the right thing to do and I will castrate you with a butter knife," Anya interrupted him flatly. "Asshole."

A thick and very uncomfortable silence fell over the room, as the shift to acceptance was tacitly registered. Willow looked at Tara, who was looking at Kyra, who was blinking at each of them in turn with sleepy eyes that stubbornly refused to turn off the TV when this particular drama was airing.

"So what do we do?" Willow finally asked. Part of her wondered if she should feel guilty: Xander and Dawn were undoubtedly motivated to no small extent by their desire to protect Kyra.

Put it on my tab, she thought with a sigh. By now everyone owed so much to everyone else that if they ever tried to sort out the check, their heads would explode.

And they would do this anyway, she realized. Because it's what we do.

"Well, we didn't exactly have hours to hammer out the details," Xander began, "but we think it's a pretty good bet that it would love to have another go at the Scoobies."

"Remember, as far as we know it's never failed before," Dawn added. "Isn't that right?" She glanced at Giles.

The Watcher nodded. "Given its incorporeal nature and the remarkable dispatch with which it works, it's not surprising that it has eluded simple detection, much less failure, over the course of its existence."

"And he just said what?" Xander asked, mystified.

"Bad thing invisible, very quick," Willow translated.

"Your theory is a reasonable one," Giles continued, chewing the stem of his glasses thoughtfully. "It made what many would consider a bold move in going after the three of us at the Magic Box. When that failed--thanks to Willow's discerning eye--it moved straighway to Tara."

"Where it seemed to be in a definite rush," Tara concluded, sinking into an overstuffed chair. Their daughter showed no sign of drifting off, but instead nuzzled deeper into Tara's arms. "It was...I wouldn't say sloppy, exactly, but it was crude, I guess. With you guys, it seemed like the whole thing started pretty much without your really noticing it, and then it just picked up steam--really quickly."

"Yeah, that sounds like my little trip through the Fun House," Buffy nodded grimly.

"And it seemed like it was definitely your idea--to kill yourself, I mean. Because it was the right thing to do."

"Ask me how sick I am of that phrase," Anya muttered.

"With me," Tara continued, "it was a lot blunter, and it definitely felt like someone else was talking to me. I..." She scowled for a moment, remembering. "Like, it was my idea, or it picked up on my insecurities enough to feel like my idea--but it started out, at least, like someone else's. There was a lot of second-person stuff going on."

"If he's been doing this for honkin' centuries, you'd think he'd have the sales pitch down cold," Faith mused.

"So either he was having an off day--which, let's face it, seems unlikely," Willow said, "or he was just a wee bit depleted by the time he got to Tara."

"Which in turn suggests that he needs at least some period of time to replenish his energy after an attack." Giles mulled this over.

"That would be nice," Buffy said slowly. "Giles--how long between attacks? On average?"

The Watcher consulted his copious notes. "Let me see...Just over two days."

"And the priest died yesterday," Dawn continued. "So if it holds true to form, we're looking at late tomorrow or early Wednesday."

"Good...That's good," Anya murmured.

"Because it gives us time to strategize, or because you think you'll talk me out of it?" Xander asked, looking at his wife suspiciously.

"Talk you out of it?" Anya replied, sounding almost hurt. "Of course not. I am now completely excited about the entire idea. I may videotape it, actually."

"Right," Xander muttered, clearly unconvinced.

"Actually, we shouldn't use that time to strategize," Tara pointed out. "If we want to get him when he's not at the top of his game, we need to send him an invitation sooner rather than later."

"That's true," Giles nodded.

"Here's another point," Tara continued. "This thing has been out there for awhile, right? So he has to know his own strengths and vulnerabilities, including the fact that he needs some R&R between attacks. So why go after me when he knows he's not at full strength?"

"Because he was pissed," Xander shrugged. "Like we said: we foiled his nefarious scheme, and he didn't like it."

"Yeah, he was angry," Tara acknowledged. "But he was also arrogant. Arrogant enough to act on that anger, even when he knew he wasn't at the top of his game."

They considered this for a moment. "Well, if you had just gone 0 for 3 and your batting average only dropped to .999, you'd be pretty cocky too," Xander offered.

"Exactly," Tara concurred. "Either he figured he could still pull it off, even at diminished capacity, or he knew that at the very least he wouldn't be captured."

"So perhaps we can use that hubris to our advantage," Gile mused.

Faith shook her head. "OK, not to be all downer girl or anything--unless it comes with an outfit that shows off my legs," she amended thoughtfully. "But what do we do if he does come calling? I mean, we can keep you two safe," she added pointedly--as much for Buffy's benefit, Willow suspected, as for Xander and Dawn. "But what refreshments do we serve him when he shows up? We can't see him. We can't hear him. I'm not up for licking him. So--what happens then?"

Xander glanced at Dawn, and then fixed Willow with a nervous grin. "That's where you and your lovely partner come in, Will."

"Looking for some 11th-hour magic?" she asked, though she had already begun to consider the possibility before Xander brought it up.

"Either that, or he wants you to bust out a little girl-on-girl action when this Bad Boy shows up, and maybe distract him so we can throw a net over him," Faith interjected wryly.

"Easy there, Penthouse girl," Buffy said, rolling her eyes.

"Hey, let's not be hasty," Xander broke in. "Gotta be willing to think outside the box!"

"No, actually, we don't," Willow retorted indignantly. "In fact, I do my best work in the box!" She saw Faith's approving grin by the light of her mortification.

"She really does," Tara chimed in helpfully.

"A modest cottage on the coast," Giles murmured wistfully. "Perhaps a small terrier, loyal and utterly incapable of human speech..." Kyra was giving her mothers a look that said, "Something naughty just happened, didn't it?"

Buffy turned back to Xander. "You were saying...?"

"OK, yes. It's of the magical variety. Will, is it possible to do some kind of containment spell once we get him here?"

"You mean, like trap him?" Willow asked skeptically.

"Right," Dawn nodded. "There must be something. I mean, you guys know oodles of magic."

"That's just what we told those Watcher guys when they called us up and asked about our Magical Proficiency Level," Tara commented, stroking Kyra's dark hair.. "We said, 'We're at the 'Oodles' level.'"

"Thanks for the compliment, Dawnie, but I dunno," Willow frowned. "It's one thing when the spirit or demon is physically present. But this guy doesn't leave a trace except for exhaustion, headache, and raging suicidality--all of which are housed within the targets."

"Maybe we bind them," Tara suggested.

"How would we know if it worked?" Anya demanded.

Tara hesitated. "Well, if they continue to feel like killing themselves, even after we've effectively stopped that option..."

"That sounds like fun," Faith muttered.

"People live with despair every day," Tara shrugged. "Some fight it off; some lose the fight. It wouldn't be fun, but it would be relatively temporary."

"Small price to pay," Xander said grimly.

"We're gonna have to hit the books to see what's out there," Willow cautioned. "I'm not even saying it's possible."

"Hey, beating this guy feels more possible than it did an hour ago," Dawn reminded her. "We gotta try it. How long do you need?"

"First of all, do we have an ETI?" Anya asked. At the puzzled glances, she added, "Estimated Time of Idiocy."

"Sooner the better," Xander said, studiously avoiding Anya's exasperated sigh.

"I agree," Giles nodded. "What were you planning to do?"

Dawn shrugged with what Willow suspected was feigned nonchalance. "We figure he's already got his eye on us. All we have to do is give him an opening."

"And if he's been listening in on all of this?" Buffy asked.

Huh...

No one seemed to have considered this.

"Then we're fucked," Faith eventually replied. "In every possible way, with a variety of implements."

"OK. Let's just let ourselves believe for the moment that our lives haven't been tapped," Willow sighed. "Just to keep from shrieking and upsetting Kyra. He may be cocky and he may be pissed, but I still don't know if he'll make a run for you with us around."

"Wait a minute," Buffy interjected warningly. "Our presence is non-negotiable."

"I'm not saying we take in a double-feature at the Cineplex," Willow replied. "But we've pretty much been sitting on each other for the last three days. We've made real sure that Xander and Dawn are never alone. I say we pull back--close enough to maintain some visuals but distant enough to give the illusion that they're on their own."

"I don't like this," Buffy muttered.

"That's a shocker," her sister retorted, rolling her eyes.

"I'm serious, Dawn," Buffy said, her voice shot through with sudden anguish. "This thing is so beyond scary I can't describe it. I went from feeling a little tired to a bit of a headache to knowing, I mean knowing, that I should kill myself. If Willow hadn't been there, I'd be dead. So would Giles and Anya and Tara. So I'm sorry if I seem a little high-strung about this but this guy scares me more than anybody I've ever faced. And now we're talking about setting you out in the open while we hide out in the background and hope we can get there in time. Do I like this? No. Not one damn bit."

The outburst took everyone by surprise, Dawn most of all. The teenager wrapped her arms tightly about herself and then took a hesitant step toward her sister. "I'm sorry," she whispered. "I am. But we have to do this."

Buffy just shook her head, spent. Exhaustion rolled off of her in waves. "I know," she sighed. "But don't bust my chops for trying to make this as non-lethal as possible. OK?"

"Gotcha," Dawn said, giving Buffy's arm a quick squeeze. "If I bust your chops one more time, I forfeit the right to borrow your pants."

"You never had that right," Buffy countered grimly. "Ante up something meaningful."

"Laundry duty for a month."

"Now you're talking." The Slayer sighed and turned to face the others. "Guys, what can we do to up the safety quotient on this deal?"

Willow had been considering that very question during the exchange. "Between magic and technology, I think we can keep them pretty well covered."

"Setting aside the 'pretty well' part of that--what are you thinking about?" Buffy asked, frowning.

"In the first place, we don't have to be in the next town," Willow explained. "It's possible that in the next room is an option. Secondly, we can rig up listening devices and hidden cameras, and I know that Tara and I can come up with something that'll add another layer of observation to it."

"What about tranq guns?" Xander suggested. "I mean, I can't imagine either of us outrunning either of you," he explained, glancing from one Slayer to the next, "but just in case we make a break for it: you pump us full of something to help us sleep. For a long time."

Buffy looked at Faith, who nodded her tentative agreement. "Makes sense, B. Both of us are fast, and both of us are good shots. I can't see 'em getting away from us, even if they tried."

"We cover every point of ingress and egress." Anya's voice took Willow by surprise. "No way in or out that we don't have someone stationed at."

"Good plan," Buffy said quietly, gazing at Anya.

"So Dawn and I will sit here and basically reminisce," Xander continued. "Talk about the old times; foes we've vanquished and all that. Maybe we mention you guys being out. Maybe, more than anything, we think about what we've done, try to feel it, the good and the bad. We're hoping he's not listening to us right now, but it seems like he can hear us--like, the scared parts."

"I agree," Giles nodded. "Try to focus on that as much as the plan itself."

"I know we're working under a deadline here, but we're not doing this until everything is completely set up and we do a run-through or ten," Buffy stated, her tone suggesting that disagreement would not go well.

"No, that makes sense," Willow agreed. "We have to look into spells anyway. None of this means anything if we don't find a way to keep him here."

"How long are we talking about?" Xander asked, but Willow could only shrug.

"As long as it takes and no, I know that's not an answer." She glanced at her watch: 1:20. Kyra could probably be induced to head back to Naponia, but she would just wake up again for lunch soon anyway. "Let's break for food intake. Tara and I will feed Kyra and see if she wants to go back down, then we'll hit the books."

"I can help watch her," Giles offered, his smile casting a sudden and welcome light over his worn features.

"Sounds good," Tara replied gratefully.

"Great," Anya said brightly, her voice taking on its usual tone. "A nice relaxing lunch before throwing open wide the door to self-destruction. I think I'll have a BLT."

Willow stood and walked over to her mate. She gazed at her family, the defining truths of her life, sitting in one overstuffed chair.

"Looks like we're on."

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby simplyblue » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:28 pm

DIBS! (I couldn't resist...) Okay Mary, now you've got me staying up waiting for you to post. Off to read now...

OK. Read it. Thought about it. Slept on it. Thought about it some more.

And there are two things that I keep circling back to about this update. The first is how spot-on the dialogue and relationships feel. What made BTVS a fabulous show, even before W/T, wasn't the premise per se: good premise + bad writing = dreck. It was the sparkling dialogue and the very loving relationships between the characters; the writing made an outlandish premise seem, well, normal. You really capture these people, and your capacity for doing so amazes me. I have no idea how you do it, just that you do. And often when I read your work I think, "yeah, of course XX would say that." E.g.

"So. We were talking about our plan," Dawn began, speaking in studiously measured tones.

"Yes," Anya said tersely, just this side of a whisper. "Your very, very bad plan."


But just as often a character comes out with something I wouldn't have expected, but it also feels right. E.g.,

The cries went on unabated until Tara gave Willow a rueful glance and stood up, shaking her head. "I'll get her, Sweetie. You stay here and see how Round Two goes."


I can completely see Tara making that comment, in retrospect, but I never would have put those words in her mouth myself. You open new windows into the characters for me. Am I making any sense at all?

The second thing I keep circling back to is that Buffy turned to Faith for advice rather than Giles. That seems quietly momentous to me, I think even more so than her "sidekick" comment. I really want to know what's going on inside her head, but of course I can't unless she talks with Willow or Willow intuits it, given that this fic is from Willow's POV. Perhaps because I'm reading this on my computer rather than in a bound version, I keep wishing there was a Buffy hot-link I could click on to see her perspective on events (read: Faith). That's not a criticism, by the way: it's a paean to a well crafted story with multiple plots.

Thanks for another lovely read, Mistress Mary.

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby Ressick » Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:21 pm

This was worth staying up late for. Totally. So very tense that I had to take breaks while reading it. It makes sense that this thing would go after the big guns - the slayers and the witches etc - first, and leave the normal guy & girl to the last when it's failed to take out the big guns. So it makes sense that the normals (well as normal as a Scooby gets) would want to step up to the plate and try to hit one for the team (what's wrong with me, I'm using sports metaphors!?). Thank you for a wonderful update. Bravo! :clap
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby SakuraEtsuko » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:00 pm

WOW!
*rereads the update twice*


WOW!!!! :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow

That was absolutly wonderful! I dont know how ill be able to stand the wait for the next update! AAAAAGH!!!!

One of the things I like most about your writing, (heh and believe me theres alot!), is how well you portray the characters. You dont stick to canon, but we KNOW without a doubt who the characters are, (if that makes sense...ya know some fics sometimes people do something and ya say...S/He would never do that!), with some improvements by you!

I love the
"You fell off a beam at work, didn't you?" Anya demanded, hands on hips. "No, wait--someone misfired one of those nail guns and sent a big metal projectile right into your frontal lobes. You know, you've combed your hair to cover it very realistically."


And of course Giles has already thought of it...hes brillant isnt he? *chuckles*

He needs two more--let's make him an offer he can't refuse."
Going godfather on us? :P

I love the B/F interaction. Your showing us theres an obvious strong and rapid bond taht just keeps growing, even though you arent making it QUITE clear what that bond is for sure. *roots for romance, roots for romance*

This also made me laugh alot.
"You tell me it's the right thing to do and I will castrate you with a butter knife," Anya interrupted him flatly. "Asshole."
Gosh...even in the tense situations shes the comedic relief isnt she? *laughs* but she really does love the guy.

All in all it was a wonderful update! Nice paced, letting us know kinda whats gonna go down, but leaving us yearning the next one oh so impatiently!!! Pleeaaase update soon!!! :-D

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby Darth Pacula » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:03 am

G'day, Mary aka the divine deity known as Quickie. (You do realize, you're never going to live that down, don't you?)

Wow. WOW. WOW!!!! That has to be one of the best starts I've read! The whole history of the reception of ideas over the ages? Pure brilliance, mate!

You're really captured Buffy's knee-jerk tendency to shoot down any idea that places Dawn in danger, which is totally understandable, but also an exercise in futility.

The life that all of these people live? It's a miracle that more of them aren't taking dirt naps. They all live their lives on the front lines of the fight against evil, of a war that is neither acknowledged or formally declared. Every day they draw breath is spent on the knife's edge, and sooner or later, someone is bound to fall.

This plan of Xander and Dawn's is their only real option to stop this Big Bad, and that's risky at best. They aren't really going to know if they can trap him until they try, 'cause this is something that has never been done before. They should be able to prevent the 'bait' from successfully doing the deed ... no, not that deed, you reprobate! Oh, sorry. I guess it must just be my mind in the gutter. Er ... where was I? Ah, yes. They just have to hope that they can trap him. But what happens then, huh? What are they going to do with him after that?

Damn, Tara's a cluey one, isn't she? Using baby Kyra as a means of keeping the peace? I wonder if that would work with politicians? Certainly less ... violent than what I would normally recommend for their ilk.

Now, to get to a more theoretical point regarding little Miss Kyra. Ok, so say that everything goes swimmingly (and how likely is that?) and the BB is soundly thrashed to an inch beyond it's life. Kyra doesn't become the Guardian, the Anadeis go off in a mystical huff, etc etc. Do they really think that Kyra won't end up fighting the good fight anyway? Guardian or no, the odds are that being raised by Willow, Tara and the extended Scooby family, she's going to end up in their fight anyway.

Which raises the point that if her involvement in the 'Good Fight' is inevitable, should they let her become the Guardian, simply to maximize her chances of surviving said fight?

Oh, and the whole 'inside/outside the box' dialog? :lol :lmao How the heck did you get so good, Mary? 'Cause trust me, you are so much more than a tall lesbian with a great rack.

Now, I'd better toddle off and post my own update to 'At Any Cost'. (Insert shameless plug here.)

As always, I await the next update with breathless anticipation. If I don't leave feedback for it, it will be because I took that last statement a little too seriously.

Bye,
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby AntigoneUnbound » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:41 pm

Hello, all. As you could probably infer, this story is heading towards its climax. We should all be so lucky. I wanted to say again how much I enjoy the feedback you leave and the way it makes me think about my own work. This next chapter isn't the last one, but it felt important to put my gratitude out there.

So--about those replies...

SimplyBlue:
You know, you couldn't have picked a nicer thing to compliment me on, b/c characters and dialogue are just at the crux of whatever story I'm writing. So thank you for that. It feels important, too, to extend them a little bit; in my case, I like to give Tara a little bit more wry humor than we saw on the show. Good to know it doesn't feel...whacked.

You make a wonderful observation:
The second thing I keep circling back to is that Buffy turned to Faith for advice rather than Giles. That seems quietly momentous to me, I think even more so than her "sidekick" comment. I really want to know what's going on inside her head, but of course I can't unless she talks with Willow or Willow intuits it, given that this fic is from Willow's POV.

Yes, indeed--nice pick-up on Buffy's choice of consultants. I've been wrestling w/ the B/F depiction and how to work it within Willow's POV; you'll see some of that in the next update, actually.

Thanks for the wonderfully kind words, Blue. It's a treat to have you here. Have a great weekend.

Ressick: Loved your metaphors! Xander and Dawn absolutely want to step up to the plate. You think it's escaped their attention that they weren't targeted in the first place? Part of them--though they haven't discussed this yet--wonders if this thing will even come for them. I think that fear actually overshadows the fear for their mortal lives. Thanks for staying up--glad it was worth it!

Karen: How'd the ethics class go? Were your ethical decision-making skills enhanced? Good for you!

Having a hard time waiting for an update? Do what I do: spend the week stoned. (Not really.)

Poor Giles--he so often sees the handwriting on the wall, and realizes that it's obscenity at its worst...and then struggles with how to tell the others. Anya, on the other hand, is fun to write but I like giving her little touches of humanity b/c she really does have it; she's just learning how to access it again.

Thanks so much for following this and coming out of lurker mode, Karen. Good to have you.

Paul: First of all, if you're gonna plug something, do it shamelessly indeed! I just read At Any Cost and left fb. Dude, what is up with Nameless?!?

OK, this was just so well put:
The life that all of these people live? It's a miracle that more of them aren't taking dirt naps. They all live their lives on the front lines of the fight against evil, of a war that is neither acknowledged or formally declared. Every day they draw breath is spent on the knife's edge, and sooner or later, someone is bound to fall.

Yes! And it makes writing these scenes really tricky. One thing that I wish the show had done more of was to explore the notion of mortality within this group. Whenever Joss killed somebody off (grr...), they never really explored the grief, or what it brought up for them in terms of their own fears of dying. Maybe part of it was developmental: teenagers are notoriously confident that they'll never get hurt, not seriously; but another part may have been logistical insofar as story-telling is concerned. If they spent much time even acknowledging the very real possibility that they could die, the show could hardly do anything but that. I mean, every honkin' episode they're doing things that could very possibly get one or more of them killed. So in these stories, since I'm focusing a lot on emotional stuff, I feel like I have to explore that some; thus we have Buffy offering more than token distress and opposition.

Hell, they don't know what they're gonna do with this guy if they catch him! Maybe make a pinata out of him? Sell him on e-Bay? Who knows...

Excellent questions re: Kyra's destiny/choice. Indeed, can anybody really see her choosing not to fight this? I think the Scoobies are struggling with exactly are Kyra's best interests? Safe-guard her completely, or leave her as well-equipped as possible? But abandoning the struggle isn't an option, b/c there are the innocents to consider. Jeez--who's writing this? It's so complicated...

The humor...(Mary blushes, and shrugs w/ Midwestern Protestant decorum.) Thanks, sir--yer just ever so kind. In fact, you're the best kind of reprobate a Kitten could ask for! Thanks, Paul. Your feedback is just, well, swell. And Quickie sez "Hi," too.

OK, I'm off for the weekend. Have a good one, all.
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby jixer » Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:13 pm

Hello Kittens-

Wow, no actual physical damage to any party! Amazing!

I was nodding through most of this. I like Tara's cheating by using Kyra as a riot control measure. Willow's realization that Giles had already come up with the bait idea was brief and still managed to contain more empathy than certain other writers managed to get across in all of S-6, and her pride was real and logical-at least with your Scoobies. When Buffy turned to Faith I just had to wonder how and where things are going there.

Then there was the laughter. I chortled at

"Listen, if we could just turn down the volume from 'Metallica concert' to 'high school football game,' that would be helpful," the carpenter was saying.

"Right. Very good. Let's have perfect acoustics for this plan that involves USING YOU AS BAIT!" Anya was glaring at her husband.


I've had discussions like that. But I really lost it at

"A modest cottage on the coast," Giles murmured wistfully. "Perhaps a small terrier, loyal and utterly incapable of human speech..."


Poor Giles!

And poor Kittens too, for the lottery balls have been unkind and refused to free you to write on a gentleman's farm (used because gentle tall lesbian with a great rack's farm is a lot more key strokes even if it is more correct). Of course that might not free you to write since cats have the amazing ability to increase both the area they need to sleep and the free time they can use up.

I wish you luck with work, felines and wrestling the update into shape.

Thank you for this Mary,

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby SakuraEtsuko » Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:57 pm

How'd the ethics class go? Were your ethical decision-making skills enhanced? Good for you!


lol. Well....it was a seminar...Ive decided to go pre med and then med school, and this week is a special on career paths and they have all sorts of seminars to show us what were getting into I think lol. My other passion is writing, although with school i havent had time lately, i have a fic that is sooo not done, but hopefully when things slow down i can get back to that, so I also went to one about Character and Plot development, which was very interesting by the way...heh...but i always figure I can be a writer on the side....or well, when I retire since doctors lead hectic enough lives as it is heh.

So wait, you mean you write this stuff stoned? *laughs* then dayum woman, you must be one talented lesbian with a great rack when your not! :lol

And hey lol, how could I ressist coming out of lurker mode, your fics so great!

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby ShyTemptress » Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:45 pm

:bounce Howdy

I'm gonna form my own theory. Okay, for a brief second forget that you're the writer of this fic..... done it?..... come on, just play alone.... okay?.... ready or not here I go.... I think this is all a game. Yep a game. In my opinion I think that sometime has to happen to Faith. Yeah, she in like total love with Buffy and we don't know how she feels. Wouldn't it kinda reality check to Buffy in how much Faith means to her and how important she is so her? That just makes sense to me. I really hope I didn't lose you somewhere in the ramble. I mean. It's always a reality check so why not? If all these people are good gooders why not Faith?! She's going to be the protector of Kyra so doesn't that amount to something HUGE?

Since I'm always falling into these little holes that writers, but your currently not one... right?, make up I'm gonna take a different route. Okay.... picture this.... This plan of Xander and Dawn works. With everyones focus on the pair of them couldn't it possibly take over Faith? I know I'm kinda hitting this 'attack faith' thing kinda hard but if sometime is gonna happen between Buffy and Faith I think it has to happen. Or maybe I'm completely off my rocker. But I'm just putting ideas out there. I love this budding 'thing' between the two slayers. I know I'm gonna get glared at (hides from David) but they are my favorite Buffy pair.

I love the fic BTW....

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby JustSkipIt » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:15 pm

So, the idea that couldn't be worse gets worse. Ok, maybe not worse but it's not really golden. I mean, let's use our friends as bait for something that we can't see, smell, or hear and not have any idea what to do when (oops, I mean if) we get it. Yes, I heard the part about the binding but honestly, that never works. I know, you're writing, not me and you'll handle it but I've got to say I agree a little bit with Anya here. I'm not sure this is a stellar plan. On the other hand, I'm not Dawn's biggest fan so if she makes #9... Ok, I don't wish her harm but she's kind of still a pain in the ass.

I still find it quite interesting to watch all this through Willow's eyes and ears. She's analyzing each interaction for all of her friends.

It seems that Buffy has had a complete turn-around on the topic of Faith. I don't know whether it's that Faith saved Willow or that Faith is Kyra's #1 teacher or whatever but it certainly seems that suddenly Buffy has gained respect and need for the "dark Slayer." I mean she asked her opinion and didn't shout her down for disagreeing? Whoda thought that?

The gem of the udpate:
"Hey, let's not be hasty," Xander broke in. "Gotta be willing to think outside the box!"

"No, actually, we don't," Willow retorted indignantly. "In fact, I do my best work in the box!" She saw Faith's approving grin by the light of her mortification.

"She really does," Tara chimed in helpfully.

"A modest cottage on the coast," Giles murmured wistfully. "Perhaps a small terrier, loyal and utterly incapable of human speech..." Kyra was giving her mothers a look that said, "Something naughty just happened, didn't it?"


Finally. Ok, let's back up on the theory that Faith's immune. II haven't reread but if I remember correctly, that theory is based on the understanding that she has a role in the prophecy. I don't necessarily understand how that makes her immune. I mean she could be in the prophecy but then succumb to the darkness and die couldn't she? It seems to me that if they decide that the prophecy guarentees that Faith lives through the crisis because she's her guardian or whatever, they have to also accept that they can't change the prophecy at all. In that case, they have no fight against the BB and should give up. Anway, now my mind is confused so I'll go eat some lunch and play letters with my son.

Woo hoo!
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby spells42 » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:19 pm

Mary
Another great update. As usual you meet, nay exceed! , all expectations.

My brain hasn't been too useful for fb lately, I'm afraid, so I'll just say that although the whole thing was great, I really love the seemingly innocent remarks that Tara makes that just hoist Willow further into the petard of her embarassment.

"No, actually, we don't," Willow retorted indignantly. "In fact, I do my best work in the box!" She saw Faith's approving grin by the light of her mortification.

"She really does," Tara chimed in helpfully.


I'd actually read a couple of sentences further before the light dawned, went back and read it and nearly woke up the house laughing. In my defence it was somewhere after midnight. It's not just the joke, but the words you use Mary - 'the light of her mortification'. Plus the 'helpfully'..... one little adverb nudges that comment from simple observation into wicked intent.

As ever, Mary, your devoted reader,
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby russ » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:43 pm

Firstly, gotta say that there's no one else who packs as much entertainment value into the introduction (synopsis through disclaimer) as you do. No matter how angsty the chapter to follow, you always start us off with a smile.

Now, about this idea. I'd say it seems deeply flawed at best, but I'd put myself in the "cautious interest" camp.The reactions of Buffy & Anya are certainly understandable; their reaction comes from their fear. Having been attacked themselves, they know just what their loved ones are volunteering to undertake. Dawn & Xander really don't know what they're asking for.

The expression of B&A's fear, though, is disrespectful, indeed contemptuous, of Dawn & Xander. Buffy reverts to canon for a while here, and it ain't a pretty picture. Fortunately, with Tara's cleverness using Kyra as an anti-escalation device, and a little naughty talk (which always helps), she comes reluctantly to see reason, and expresses her actual "anguish" instead of turning it into hostility.

And it's Buffy who sees the major flaw in the plan: "And if he's been listening in on all of this?" Since this thing uses its victims' own psyches against them, it's bound to detect their plan as soon as it attacks. Also, if they succeed in trapping it inside the victims, what then? Keep them sedated for the rest of their lives? The coolest thing is, I know you're going to come up with something I haven't even considered. Anticipation is grand!

The one I admire most in this chapter is Faith. The last thing she wants to do is oppose Buffy, yet she speaks the truth, knowing what it may cost her.

Now, what's this about the story nearing its end? You only just started it! Well, ok, 19 months ago. But there's so much more to tell! Only one thing to do: look at you pitiably and quaver, "Please, m'am, can I have some more?" Sequels, that is; we need many sequels.

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby ShyTemptress » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:39 pm

She never said end... climax.... that still gives us the falling action and the resolution so we're good for a while.

my lit teacher would be so proud.

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby tal » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:35 am

Mary,

I think sticking to one POV helps my discipline as a writer b/c I have to be very purposeful about such things.


I know exactly what you mean, and you do it beautifully. Though at times, at least as a writer, I find sticking to one POV comforting. It's the switching POVs that gets to me… especially if you try stay true to a character's unique perception.

But on to the update.

So this update got me thinking… what it would be like for Dawn and Xander… to open yourself up to your own insecurities, consciously and deliberately, knowing that there is something out there just waiting to pounce on them, and hoping your friends will be there to save you from yourself. Sounds a lot like falling in love – doesn’t it? Well, except for the demons and the magic part. Or not, actually… scary thought.

this story is heading towards its climax.


Now here's an ambivalent reaction on my part, if I ever had one. Cuz climax is good. Climax always good. But then it'd be over, and I'm so loving this ride. ooof.

So we're just grinnin' at each other across the miles, then, Tal--works for me!


Actually, more of a fully dimpled I'm-about-to-get-soooo-lucky kinda smile here…

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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby watty » Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:13 am

I'm ambivalent about Xander and Dawn's plan. They are running out of options, and if they're still intent on saving the last 2 victims (you know I'm in the "can't save all of humankind" camp), it is the best plan so far. Buffy and Anya are right to be against it, they're talking about letting their most loved ones knowingly walking into a trap that they are not 100% certain they know how to fight. If it were Buffy, or one of the witches, perhaps the plan would go down better. But it's Xander and Dawn -- supposedly the weakest of the Scoobies. And there I have to stop my train of thoughts, am I being unfair to Xander and Dawn? And I find that I am. Willow put it best:
She realized that in the midst of her fear, she was...proud.

So the point of this long winded paragraph is to say, I think we need to give X and D their fair shot, and treat them as equal as the other Scoobies. Buffy needs to come out of General Slayer mode and give the rest of her team their chances. I do like it that she consulted with Faith, that shows at least that she treats the other slayer as equal.

I wonder though, how they're going to attract the attention of the BB. It's not like baiting vamps, they can't take a jaunty walk through the cemetery. How do they know how and when the BB will come calling, if he hasn't been put off by the Scoobies and moved on to easier targets. I would if I were the BB.

Oh, I'm so glad Kyra makes an appearance. So astute of Tara,
No one would want to get too hostile if Kyra were in the room.


I've been thinking again about the last 2 victims and the activation of Kyra's guardianship. Growing up in that family, how can she not join the fight? Like Willow thought,
she knew, as surely as she knew that she would keep fighting, that Kyra would choose to fight as well.

Even without guardian powers, she's likely to inherit her mother's witch powers, have excellent training from 2 slayers, demon knowledge training by a watcher and a vengeance demon. They really shouldn't worry about her place in the fight.

You weren't at our chat over the weekend, but your name came up. (See how influential you are?) Someone mentioned you wrote f*** fast, to which I want to add here, you write so funny too. I'm in awe of your word usage, and the humor you inject.
turn down the volume from 'Metallica concert' to 'high school football game,'


Plus Willow's
"I do my best work in the box!"

followed by
"She really does," Tara chimed in helpfully.

Snerk. :lmao
That's why your stories are such a pleasure to read. Deep thoughts, but not so deep we get bogged down in the philosophical quagmire. Muchly enjoyable moments too.

Thank you. And thank you.
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Re: As Time Goes By

Postby the hero factor » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:47 pm

I liked Kyra as peacekeeping device. Sneaky Tara.

Poor Anya and Buffy. It's understandable that they wouldn't be happy about this, but I'm glad they realized that it may be their only chance. And I'm glad that they're trusting Xander and Dawn to make the decision to do this.

I really like the bit of strategizing we got here. Tranq guns and guarding at the doors and stuff. Now, if Will and Tara can just find something magic-wise to help.

"No, actually, we don't," Willow retorted indignantly. "In fact, I do my best work in the box!" She saw Faith's approving grin by the light of her mortification.

"She really does," Tara chimed in helpfully.

"A modest cottage on the coast," Giles murmured wistfully. "Perhaps a small terrier, loyal and utterly incapable of human speech..." Kyra was giving her mothers a look that said, "Something naughty just happened, didn't it?"


Naughty jokes and Giles's discomfort at them. Always funny.

Great update.
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