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[Sheridan]

Well since my own series is about to hit S4 I may not be all that objective, but I have to say unless you are planning to make them villains I really wouldn't retain Kathy or Parker. it seems like you are compressing the period between 'Wild at Heart' and 'Something Blue' quite a lot and having Tara appear sooner, which is good of course The big gap is that you don't really describe how Willow and tara come together without the events in Hush.I think that's as much help as anyone can give because you really need to create you're own plot, working to someone elses is always a fraught experience.

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Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[DigificWriter]

In my version of S4, Tara is introduced in "Something Blue", and the specifics of her first meeting with Willow are very different than they are in the existing S4. I've done it this way so that she's already a psuedo-Scooby by the time "Dead Silence" (my version of "Hush") rolls around, giving me some time to do what Joss and Co. didn't and flesh out her character and make her more than just Willow's love interest. As for Kathy and Parker, I don't really have any intentions of using Kathy again (but I left the door open so that I can if I want), and as for Parker, he's gone after "Something Blue". Because I've already planned out the arc for the season, whatever happens in ep 6 doesn't necessarily have to fit in with the arc because all it's going to do is bridge the gap between "Call of the Wild" and "Something Blue". I hope that information helps inspire someone's creative process.

Edited by: DigificWriter at: 9/11/02 5:44:38 pm

[Sheridan]

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I hope that information helps inspire someone's creative process.

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It might, but it would be someone else's vision. You should read the latest post by kieli on the main board in the reading and writing... thread. It gives a clear account of the perils of using other peoples ideas. Also if you are planning to rewrite all 22 eps that would be 250,000 words at least, that's a lot of writing to commit yourself to.

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Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[DigificWriter]

I went and read the post that you mentioned, Sheridan. Personally, though, I don't usually have any problems integrating the ideas of others with my own ideas. Quite the contrary. I find that the ideas of others will actually inspire me further and make my ideas all that much better. As for the scope of my "Alternate Buffy", yes, I am planning on doing 22 eps, and no, I don't think it's too much to commit myself to because I tend to like working on big projects.

[Repost Moderator]

Originally posted by satellite



I am not a writer, just a reader and I wanted to thank the writers for keeping up the good work today. As a New Yorker having a crappy day it is nice to come home to some great stories. Thanks again.

[Kieli]

Since I happened to see my name mentioned here (and quite a surprise it gave me too, Sher...I didn't even think anyone read my ramblings *chuckle*), I figured I'd chime in with a thought or two.



DW, I don't think Sheridan was actually trying to discourage you from using other people's ideas. I think she was trying to just show the flip side....my personal experience was with betas. While people do invariably give me some rather excellent ideas, I like to put my own stamp on them. I've had some betas that wanted to try to "change me", for lack of a better term and I would up totally hating the outcome. It's weird because writing for me is so intensely personal that there are times that, when an idea comes to me, I really have to run with it in the way that I envisioned or I won't be satisfied. That may be limiting and small-minded of me, but that is the way I feel about it.



22 eps, eh? Good lord, you must have WAY more time on your hands than I do. That's quite an undertaking. Good luck and I wish you the best in your endeavour.

Love is tricky. It is never mundane or daily. You can never get used to it. You have to walk with it, then let it walk with you. You can never balk. It moves you like the tide. It takes you out to sea then lays you on the beach again. Today's struggling pain is the foundation for a certain stride through the heavens. You can run from it but you can never say no. It includes everyone."--Amy Tan "The Hundred Secret Senses"

[Sheridan]

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I don't think Sheridan was actually trying to discourage you from using other people's ideas. I think she was trying to just show the flip side....

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Just one thing Kieli. Actually he just trying to show the flip side.

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Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Kieli]

See it's that whole online communication thing....I really need to see faces when I talk to people or I get it all cocked wrong. *sigh* Thanks for the correction, Sher. Are you sure you're not a male lesbian?

Love is tricky. It is never mundane or daily. You can never get used to it. You have to walk with it, then let it walk with you. You can never balk. It moves you like the tide. It takes you out to sea then lays you on the beach again. Today's struggling pain is the foundation for a certain stride through the heavens. You can run from it but you can never say no. It includes everyone."--Amy Tan "The Hundred Secret Senses"

[Sheridan]

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Sher. Are you sure you're not a male lesbian?

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You've got me, I confess, yes I am attracted to women.

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Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Kieli]

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You've got me, I confess, yes I am attracted to women.

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I KNEW IT! I knew it all along. Now, where is that toaster oven? Don't tell me you've hidden it.

Love is tricky. It is never mundane or daily. You can never get used to it. You have to walk with it, then let it walk with you. You can never balk. It moves you like the tide. It takes you out to sea then lays you on the beach again. Today's struggling pain is the foundation for a certain stride through the heavens. You can run from it but you can never say no. It includes everyone."--Amy Tan "The Hundred Secret Senses"

[xita]

This is a creative help thread for Willow/Tara projects. If you need help with a w/other fic, you should seek help elsewhere.



ahh the wonder of the lesbro

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Edited by: xita  at: 9/14/02 6:07:40 pm

[Dumbsaint]

I noticed the other day when I tried to get to Psyche's site that the shooting script portion didn't seem to be accessible, and was hoping that this was just a temporary glitch, but today it's still glitchin'. Anyone happen to know anywhere else where I can find the shooting script for Tabula Rasa?



I have up to the end of the first act saved, but no further than that. If worse comes to worse I can just use a transcript for the rest of the TR parody, but it's just that much more fun to twist Rebecca's actual words when it comes to the stage directions and all that.



Help? Please? There could be previews of my new W/T smoochies fic involved...

"It's not real. I mean, there are no vampires, there are no witches. Well, there are Wiccans, but they're not making out with Alyson, so..." -Amber Benson

[Warduke]

Julia...You have mail

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Mozilla : There's a new browser on the block.

[Dumbsaint]

Thanks, Brian! Hehe. So do you.

"And never let it be said that I left a Tara craving unsatisfied." ~Willow, Wilderness Pt. 1

[Taras Shadow]

Hey everyone

I need your help with something! I feel a little *stupid* . But I have never posted a fan fic before. And I wanted to share mine with all you Kittens. So if anyone can please help me out, by showing me the way, I'd really appreciate it. It's a AU fiction.

Thanks again!!

~Holly~

[Rane018]

holly

are you asking a specific question or for a beta?

[Taras Shadow]

Umm...what is a beta reader?

I just want to know how to post a fic, and I feel a little weird asking, because I should know...but I don't .

Does that make sense?



~Holly~

[Sheridan]

Taras Shadow You click the create new thread button and then you cut and paste and post it like any other message. A Beta reader is some who reads the story before you post and will advise you on things ranging from spelling mistakes to any problems they may see in the plot. It's useful and a really good idea before you post especially as it's your first story. There is a thread with people who are willing to beta read, and it was on page 3 of Pens the last time I checked.

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Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the
person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Taras Shadow]

Thank you Sheridan

I am forever greatful!!

You're an !



~Holly~

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"Show me where to touch you"

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Tara- It Ain't Fickle

[KISMIC]

Here's kind of a different request. I'm looking for a site that has some W/T songs made by the site owner...Anyone? One was called 'Crazy For That Girl'.

[darkmagicwillow]

I was watching "Who Are You" again last night mainly for the Flaming "O" but then I remembered what I'd wanted when I first saw it three years ago. I wanted the Faith/Buffy switch to last, maybe not forever, but more than for just one episode. What if Tara hadn't met Faith at the Bronze? How long could Faith have pulled it off? What effects could Faith have had on Tara and Willow's relationship? We know she was more perceptive about their relationship and she seemed to really want to be Buffy when she was with Riley (I'm starting to like him--Tulipp's posts about him are gradually sinking in) and at the scene at the church.



It's probably not a story that I'm going to write, but I'd love to see someone else write it. Or perhaps someone already has and I haven't seen it.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "   "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

[Mrs Vertigo]

God, I just love how this show leaves not loose ends and plotholes but those lovely 'what if's. One could also ask, What If once glory bled her key, the need to hide Dawn in human form would disappear and so would she? What if Tara had gone home with her family? They're just teasing us into writing fanfic. They want us to.



darkmagicwillow, I don't promise anything, but I'm intrigued and I'll be looking into it.

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[Indygo]

Maybe the FAQ needs to be updated if no fic that even *mentions* events in Season 7 is allowed on Pens? I didn't realise that was the case. Sorry.



Indygo

[xita]

Well season 7 doesn't have Tara and then that makes it a non w/t fic and that is against the FAQ. We want Tara alive here. I mean, on the one hand I understand the need to process what is going on with Willow but on the other hand that has nothing to do with tara anymore and it means accepting Tara is dead, and I don't want this board to do that. Tara is alive here.



I'll quote you the FAQ:

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2. What is on topic?



Any creative effort focusing on Willow/Tara, Willow or Tara, Amber Benson or Alyson Hannigan is on topic. All fics should focus on W/T as a couple. Angst is very welcome but the end result should be the continuation of the w/t couple. Any creative effort featuring Willow or Tara with any other character in a romantic relationship is Off Topic and do not belong on the board.

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So as you can see, the issue is actually already covered.

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[Mrs Vertigo]

Hi Two questions here:



One, I’m working on a really angsty fic and need the lyrics of a certain poem. It’s the poem from the movie “Four Weddings and a Funeral” (I think that’s what it’s called), the one that the Scottish guy reads at Gareth’s funeral. It was written by Odden or Auden William or something (not too sure either)… it goes something like this:



“Cut all the telephones,

Spill all the oceans,

Kill all the trees,

Take the stars out one by one,

Because nothing can ever come to no good,

For he is gone.”



I know I completely messed it up. It’s a short and beautiful poem, really, it’s just that my memory falters. So my question is, do you recognize this poem and can you tell me who wrote it, or just post the entire poem if you know it by heart?



Second question: Xita, this fic I’m writing, it’s set right after season 6 and it isn’t meant to help a reader come to terms with Tara’s death, but it also does not feature a live Tara or the hopes for the return of one. It’s a grief-inspired piece that’s pretty much gloom and pain all around. Bitterness Central uncensored, meant to fill the whole made by ME and Joss and show Willow grieving for Tara for real, not in the annoying Cliché way but in the normal human way... well, at least as real as I can make it. My question is, will it qualify for Pens and if not, what are the requirements I need to meet?



Thank you

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Joss: “And what if I kill you?”
Tara: “Trust me; won’t help.”

Edited by: Mrs Vertigo at: 10/5/02 2:28:28 pm

[xita]

A live Tara. I understand grieving has a place... I really do, but then this isn't a w/t piece. I mean that's the way we've interpretted this before. And it's a w/t fic board, and not a willow fic board or tara fic board.

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[Mrs Vertigo]

Alright. Live Tara. I'll make it so.

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Joss: “And what if I kill you?”
Tara: “Trust me; won’t help.”

[tiredsoul]

Mrs Vertigo, the poem you're looking for is by W.H. Auden. It's called Funeral Blues. Here's the entire text:



Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,

Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,

Silence the pianos and with muffled drum

Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.



Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead

Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead,

Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves,

Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.



He was my North, my South, my East and West,

My working week and my Sunday rest,

My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;

I thought that love would last for ever; I was wrong.



The stars are not wanted now: put out every one;

Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;

Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood,

For nothing now can ever come to any good.



Glad it's going to be a live Tara. We like a live Tara



--celia

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"That was just rude. Now I forget what I was saying."

[ZvXLurkerXvZ]

Okay I'm kinda new here and I want to ask how do you spell Tara's brother's name?? Is it Donny or Donnie??







Your sig is way too long. Please read the first post in the test thread. It needs to be 3 lines, not including your name or separation line.

Edited by: BytrSuite at: 10/7/02 11:53:29 pm

[Rane018]

his name is donny and danm that's a really long signature.