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Postby The Next Tara Maclay » Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:52 pm

Well yes I'm here for more advice again, I'm slighlty strange aren't I? Well I may as well tell you what I need advice on:.

My friend Nat, She always leaves me out and I want ot know if she is a real friend while I hope she is only because I've trusted her so much as today Her and my other friend where talking aout something adn when I wanted to know what they where talking about they said I would not understand as if I was nothing important, Even though I know it may seem I'm jealous i"m not, I just am so ...hurt, I don't think the friendhsip would work out or what I should say to her if I talk to her, Even though I know that I have to do the right thing or it won't work for me!

I have made so much mistakes in the past all these people are acting like I'm a screw up and I feel very out of place as if no one wants to be my friend as if no one cares about me, I may not have gone through as much as all these other people have but its hard for me, Because no one wants to hang out with them or go somewhere to them.

As then again, people say I wear masks, Or so some of my friends say only because I have 2 much pain inside me.and i have been hurt so many times and now i wonder if I should trust anyone as if they where my friend, Well... Please help me and tell me what I should do..and give me some..tips or something?

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Postby Wiccagrrl » Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:19 pm

Without knowing what they were talking about or why they didn't want to let you know what it was about, I can't really say much about how they were acting, or if you should take it personally or not. I will say this, though (and believe me, this comes from many years of not being very good at this myself): One of the hardest things about being a good friend is learning to respect the other person's space and boundaries- to accept that you're not going to necessarilly be included in every conversation or situation, and that that doesn't mean the relationship isn't close or isn't a good one. The one thing I probably wouldn't do, if you want to stay friends with this person (and that's up to you) is press the issue. If it's not an important thing, then it's just as well to let it go. If it IS, and is something that concerns you, then let her come to you with it when she's ready. JMO.
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Postby lurker1.0 » Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:58 pm

First off, I have to agree with what Wiccagrrl just said.

Oddly enough I was in the exact same situation as you're in right now about 6 months ago. But for me it was just too hard to let some stuff slide, and things just got worse and worse, and currently I can't even say two civil words to any of the people that were involved. And having had 6 months to think back on everything I realize that if I had wanted things to work out better than they did, I should have just chilled out a little more, and maybe trusted them more than I did.

But the most important thing you have to realize is that friends aren't everything. You can live just fine without having a little gang you're around 24/7. As long as you're comfortable with yourself you shouldn't have to feel like you always need to be a groupie with some other punk kids.

Right now, you just have to ask yourself if it's healthy for you to stay where you are and stay involved with the same people. Maybe it's time for a change?
Just my opinion of course. Hope everything works out.

[This message has been edited by lurker1.0 (edited February 23, 2002).]

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Postby Wolfie » Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:57 am

Life is complicated, innit?

Friends are often very hard to fathom. Some blow hot and cold - will include you when they want, seemingly ditching you when they don't. All I try to do, is treat those that I feel are my friends the same way I would like to be treated myself. I try to be there for them, be supportive, etc. Just be the best friend I can be. It isn't always (seemingly - and this is the real crux - seemingly to me, that is) reciprocated in the way that I expect, or maybe desire, but that is because we are all different. I'm a "muck in" kind of person, and not everyone wants that. Sometimes people want you to just occupy a certain role for them, and you have to decide whether that is good for you or not. Sometimes it is and sometimes not. At least with friends you get to choose: If you don't like the way someone is treating you, then back off. If you think it's worth persevering with, then do so. I have a friend, a good friend, someone I like and admire enormously, who is having something fairly major, I think, going on in his life. But he won't tell me what it is ... Yet. I'd like the opportunity to flex my supportive-friend muscles, but it's really okay if he doesn't want that. It doesn't change our friendship. I will be there if/when he wants me to be. I have other friends who, despite being people I love, etc, are not people to count on - they will be there in my life when they want to be. I wouldn't ask them, say, to help me move house. Others would come at the drop of a hat. Sometimes the processes we have to go through to understand what sort of friend someone is, is painful. Nobody can get it right all the time - and I have frequently gotten it hopelessly wrong. I try to stay phlegmatic about it all, though. Ultimately, I am resposible for losing contact - I'm sure others have had this - you might decide that after a while of being "always the one who phones/writes", etc, you decide to leave it in their ballpark, and let them contact you, for a change. Sometimes they don't. But rest assured, there will have been other people who will have gone through that process with you, too. I know I haven't been the best friend I could have been sometimes.

And sometimes your friends will come up with assesments about you that you feel is unfair. My advice would be this: If they say something that bothers you, ask them about it. See if they will talk to you about it. If they hurt your feelings, let them know they did so. Try to do it rationally, though. And don't feel that you have to change, just to please them. If your way of dealing with life is to wear different "masks", for differnt situations, whatever that means (personally, I think psychological terms can be horribly damaging, and try to avoid them like the plague), then that is your choice. Don't ever forget you are an individual, with your own set of qualities that makes you who you are. If you don't like something about yourself, then change it. If you like something about yourself, then don't.

The fact that you are troubled by this, shows that you are sensitive. Which means that you will be more likely to be hurt than an insensitive person, obviously, but you will also have more to give, and there will be those who will learn that about you, and treat you accordingly.

This probably hasn't been of any help whatsoever. The well-meaning babbler strikes again. So, I paraphrase:

Keep your chin up, kiddo, and things will invariably work out. If they don't, chances are it will be for the best, anyway. And don't forget: We kitties are always here to lend a supportive ear, and offer (in my case) a rambled, incoherent set of sentences that are supposed to be sagely.

Luke.

P.S. I'd listen to everyone else on this thread, if I were you I'll just send my hugs and go on my way.

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I am the sunlight on the sides of houses.

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Postby wiltar » Sat Feb 23, 2002 5:31 am

quote:
Originally posted by The Next Tara Maclay:
and i have been hurt so many times and now i wonder if I should trust anyone as if they where my friend, Well... Please help me and tell me what I should do..and give me some..tips or something?

Don't give up on friendships in general! There are people who go through the same things, who have been hurt, who are affraid of being hurt again and who are insecure about this sort of stuff. I know so because I am at that same place right now... but because there are other people who are just like you, you will find a friend who you can trust and who trusts you.

Patricia

*edited to say: if you want to talk, you can mail me at wiltar@hotmail.com. I also use that addy for MSN, so if you have that, feel free to add me

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"The hotness of you, doofus!"

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Postby alyholic » Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:45 am

*whew* well, i'm not really sure what to say. i do agree with previous posters, but really the only thing i can say is good luck. sometimes people don't understand that the way they act is hurting someone else. it really sucks when people leave you for someone else (no matter why). i guess finding another person you can confide in would be best.
if she doesn't want to talk to you, she doesn't deserve you. you're much better than that. if it makes a difference, you can always come to us kitties for someone to talk to.
good luck on the situation, i hope it all works out in good time.

*extra hugs and kisses for The Next Tara Maclay*

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Postby jitterbug » Sat Feb 23, 2002 7:57 am

*Hugs*
First off,i've been in same sitch more times than i could count. Now i've come to the decision that the quality of friends is much more important than quantity. I may have many 'friendly acquaintances' who will say hello and the like,but really dont wish to have anything to do with me. Instead,i muchly prefer to stick with 1 or 2 best friends,and we can tell each other everything,and we know we won't judge each other. It took many years to find the 2 best friends I have right now,but I wouldn't trade them for anything! There are people like that for everyone,i believe,and if you hang in there long enough,you will find them. I promise! Tell you what,next time something really bugs you,about whatever,give me a buzz at dksmd223@yahoo.com or my AIM sn is DanaMuldr42. Just an offer,no pressure,but know that I'm here.
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Postby tommo » Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:21 am

Friendships. Hmmm. It's always difficult. I'm wondering how old you are, not that that's the most important thing here, but, when all said and done, as you get older you choose friends with different qualities to the ones you chose when you were younger. And I think your own requirements for a friend change too. The most important quality in a friend is someone you can trust above everything. Someone who has your best interests at heart, and won't dish the dirt behind your back. It's really quite simple, I think.

I'm sorry that you're having problems with your friends. Perhaps if you take a step back, give yourself some time and evaluate what you get from your friends in return for what you give them, you might feel differently in time. Here's hoping.

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Postby aladdin » Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:43 am

I was in a situation like yours two or three years ago..I felt so alienated from my friends, I was excluded from everything I wanted to be part of (or better: I excluded myself) and I took everything personally. A friend wouldn't sit with me during lunch? They must hate me? I had to go alone to the bathroom, cafeteria etc.? Noone likes me! My biggest mistake was to see my friends as the only likable thing about me. Being alone meant to be left out and that's just mot true. I didn't like myself, lacked any confidence and just plainly, didn't get along with myself. But if you don't love yourself, how can others do it? Everything changed after the summer when I went back to school. I relaxed. I found a new relationship to myself. I didn't try to be cool, or popular, I just was myself. Without trying. Suddenly, things fel into place and I spent a wonderful year where I developed new friendships and and talked about things with my old friends. Since I left for the US for a year, I notice that they are still there even though were so far awar from each other...you're probably yawning right now...I don't think that this will help you but I just wanted to let you know that I know your situation and you're not alone.

Before having the friendships you feel that you're not having right now, you need to get along with yourself. To love yourself and to be honest and truthful. It's hard, but pretense pushes the people you love away and nothing is harder than just showing yourself, without mask and vulnerable but IMO it's the only way to have sincere relationships with yourself and others. Because then you give others the opportunity to love your real self, including weaknesses and doubts.

*hugs to you* If you ever need help, e-mail to me.

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Postby The Next Tara Maclay » Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:32 pm

Thank you for all of your advice, I'm 12..turning 13 REALLY soon, I can probably explain to you what I mean by wearing Masks, I don't understand the whole meaning but here is what it means in my eyes.

Masks: It means I'm not acting myself that i"m trying to hide something, to protect myself.

But when I am myself no one wants to be my friend, It makes me feel slightly out of place, I have a tendency to babble when I dont know what to say, My friends just leave me out and bring me in when they actually need me and, It hurts.last year in the 6th grade i did somethings that werent good but ever since then people have treated me like a screw up a person who can't do anything right, They slightly judge me for that when that was me just wanting to feel what everyone else was feeling..
Love, They where feeling love, I wanted it so much, I still do because I don't have that, I don't feel it ever, Nor do I feel wanted, Its hard for me because, Everyone is loved by there friends, I don't feel loved..
Is there something wrong with me? I don't understand what I'm doing wrong..I'm trying..I really am trying to be nice and kind to people, I am... BUt I'm not understanding why people are treating me like this..
If I do something wrong, Everyone will get mad at me and not understand what was going on and people think that whatever i do ...Is what i do 24/7, People call me 'stupid'.. and more things that I don't want to say.
I always lock myself up in my room just to feel safe, to feel loved, I feel like the only friend i actualy have are the people I talk to online, Not the people that i have in real life.Am I doing something wrong? I'm scared seriously, My mom says I don't have social skills and that shes worried because no one wants to invite me over...she thinks that I just feel alone and deserted.I do feel alone and deserted but I can't handle all of this crap, Its hard enough that my dad has seriously it seems walked out of my life and part of me is missing, Like ... Its hard to explain! But, Its just how i am I guess....I'm just..a person who has a messed up life, and is a screw up...I hate my life.
Everything that I do, It turns out bad, I tell people how i feel, They say they're sorry but they actually aren't I hate having this..feeling inside me!!! I just can't handle any pressure, Feeling left out and feeling like I'm a vicious animal, I'm being myself and its not working, Masks..are just there to protect me from getting hurt. I can't trust people now, I just can't I've been hurt to much to actually want to talk to anyone...that has hurt me, You all are really nice and actually don't judge people.
I would like to talk..you can e-mail me at...

LittleStarChild@aol.com
AIM: LittleStarChild.

and thats about it.

[This message has been edited by The Next Tara Maclay (edited February 23, 2002).]

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Postby tommo » Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:49 pm

quote:
Originally posted by The Next Tara Maclay:
last year in the 6th grade i did somethings that werent good but ever since then people have treated me like a screw up a person who can't do anything right, They slightly judge me for that when that was me just wanting to feel what everyone else was feeling..

And who hasn't done stupid things in their life? See, the thing is, that's what growing up is all about. It's about making mistakes and finding out what you're good at, and then not so good at. It's all perfectly natural. But young people don't have a great capacity for forgiveness, that's true. Take it as a sign of their immaturity rather than a sign of your own inadequacy. Because that's just not right.

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Is there something wrong with me? I don't understand what I'm doing wrong..I'm trying..I really am trying to be nice and kind to people, I am... BUt I'm not understanding why people are treating me like this..

There's absolutely nothing wrong with you. Seriously. People treat others like shit, and that's their mistake too. I remember once meeting up with a guy I knew from school and he'd always harangued me and treated me like a social leper back then. Turned out we got on extremely well and it was like the people we were never existed. But it takes time. It really does.

quote:
I feel like the only friend i actualy have are the people I talk to online, Not the people that i have in real life.Am I doing something wrong?

No no...no you're not. Look, it's really easy to form friendships online because that's the nature of the internet. And you'll find a lot more people like yourself; there are places you can go to be with them, like here for instance. Real life is difficult. Well, more difficult. It takes tanacity and strength to form real life friendships. But you'll get there in the end.

quote:
You all are really nice and actually don't judge people.

Well, I think the kitten board is pretty singular in the fact that it doesn't judge people and welcomes everyone. Most of the kittens are good like that.

I really hope things get better for you. Hang in there.

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Postby kitten scout » Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:48 pm

You're at a tough age right now. Don't judge yourself by the way others treat you. When you realize that you're a GREAT person, it won't matter as much what others think. Hang in there little kitten, there are people all over the world who think you're wonderful!
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