by xita » Mon Feb 26, 2001 5:32 am
I
Need
to
have
a
little
Spoiler
Space.
And as a special treat for you, here's a wallpaper posted at the cross and stake.
sigh
THEY KISSED!
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Tara: Shh.
Willow: Tara...
Tara: Shh. Darling...
by Warduke » Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:21 pm
The scenes with Buffy finding her mom, the paramedics telling her that she’s dead and Buffy telling Dawn that Joyce is gone are all powerful scenes but for me the most powerful was Willow’s reaction, I just can’t stand to see Willow (or Tara) cry and it just breaks your heart to see her in so much pain, Tara was amazing, she was great with Willow, the kiss was so sweet (very nice! ) and her scene with Buffy was great.
Anya was also great in this ep; the fact that she didn’t know how to act was just, well it was just so Anya
Ok, for those who were wondering how the x-mas flashback conversation went…
Xander – How you doing there Will?…are you in the vomit club too?
Willow – I had too much nog
Tara – Oh baby, want me to rub your tummy?…she likes it when I, oh, stop explaining things
Very sweet scene, Anya also tells an “interesting” Santa story
Also, the scene with Willow running into her dorm room…it was after they all left to go see Buffy, Willow ran back in the room to get her jacket…amazing how some things can seem so different in the trailer...remember the trailer for Family?
by april » Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:44 pm
joss must really really love w/t to give tara lines like the tummy rubbing one. lines, i might add, that he doesn't cut out of his eps the way that they get cut out of other writers'.
oh sigh. 23 hours, 15 minutes. why isn't it tuesday yet???
by tvsurfer » Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:50 pm
thank you Warduke !!!!!!!!!!!
I take it Willow gave Tara a "look" to make her change and end that commentary on tummy rubs?
oh and is it one kiss or are there multiple kisses ?
and if its not too much to ask, how does the dialogue fit with the kiss?
by Warduke » Mon Feb 26, 2001 5:26 pm
I just watched it again and there’s something major that I missed the first time…just before they all get ready to leave to go see Buffy, Willow and Tara stare at each other, they hold hands and then they leave, while still holding hands, now that’s not what I missed, what I missed was when Willow and Tara are staring at each other, take a look at Willow’s lips, you don’t hear anything but you’ll see her lips moving and what she says is…I LOVE YOU…OMG, I can’t believe I missed it the first time, another reason to tape every ep, so you can dissect every W/T moment
Also, when Tara goes to Willow, just before they kiss, the way Willow says Tara’s name, you’ll have to hear it for yourself, it’s so heartbreaking and when Willow mentions Dawn and then she starts to cry and the way she says “little Dawn”, it’s just like when she said Tara’s name, I was teary eyed every time I watched it…which is like a 100 times now…I have to go, I need a tissue
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by xita » Mon Feb 26, 2001 5:51 pm
by wiccie » Mon Feb 26, 2001 5:57 pm
Warduke, pleeeease - is it 3 kisses including the forehead, or forehead kiss and 3 on the lips?
Thankyouthankyouthankyou!
by Zahir » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:02 pm
WHAT’S IT CALLED?
“The Body.”
WHO’S RESPONSIBLE?
It was written and directed by series mastermind Joss Whedon. Whedon’s last episode was November’s Tara-centric “Family” (the rerun of which airs next week).
WHAT DOES TV GUIDE SAY?
“After months of fighting and ostensibly overcoming a brain tumor, Joyce (Kristine Sutherland) dies unexpectedly and in a manner seldom seen on Buffywhose overwhelming denial makes fighting the boundless forces of evil look like child's play.”
THE BIG NEWS?
Wah! Hercules “The Strong” weeps like a little girl throughout the final half-hour! He’s watched the episode three times, and it happens every time! Alyson Hannigan makes him lose it, and he can’t get it back until the credits roll!
WELL, HOW DOES THAT WORK?
Hannigan convinces us that Willow is hurting, and we love Willow, and we start hurting too! I defy any true fan of this show to get through “The Body” without Kleenex. It’s as reliable a trigger for tears as the ending of “It’s A Wonderful Life.”
SO IT’S SAD?
The cast gets a whole different kind of workout this week, and I’d put their performances against anything nominated for an Oscar this year. If this episode doesn’t garner a boatload of Emmy nominations, I’m going to start my own ****ing television academy! God bless Joss Whedon and God bless the United States of America!
IT’S NOT FUNNY?
No, it’s funny too. There’s some hilarious “Godfather II”-evoking material early in the first act (particularly some geniusy Willow lines about Santa) designed to make us yearn for everything the Scoobs have lost. But mostly the episode is sad.
WHAT ISN’T TV GUIDE TELLING US?
“The Body” is a DIFFERENT kind of “Buffy.” It’s REALLY different. Even more different than recent Whedon-directed episodes like “Hush” and “Restless.”
WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING “DIFFERENT?”
Most “Buffy” episodes are fast-paced, utilitarian and very much a product of their medium, every moment crammed with plot, suspense, pathos, or comedy. “The Body” feels at times like something Jim Jarmusch or David Lynch might make. It’s dream-like, comprised of indelible moments: Buffy adjusting her mother’s skirt, Dawn’s friend flashing a message, Anya’s lost look as she stares out a passenger window.
WHAT’S OUR FIRST CLUE THAT THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT?
No clip package. The episode begins by reprising the final shots of the prior episode.
HOW ELSE DOES IT DIFFER?
Aside from Nerf Herder’s title theme, there’s no music. (I think; it’s hard to concentrate when sobbing consumes you.) And though it’s certainly among the most cinematic episodes of “Buffy” ever made, “The Body” also feels like a stageplay at times. The episode is comprised of only four scenes, one for each act.
WHERE DO THESE FOUR SCENES TAKE PLACE?
a) Buffy’s house,
b) Dawn’s school,
c) Willow’s dorm, and
d) Sunnydale Memorial Hospital.
HOW DID JOYCE DIE?
“Looks like an aneurism,” says the doctor in the final act. “Sudden hemmoraging from a ruptured arterial vessel near where the tumor was removed.”
DO WE MEET THE GUY WHO SENT JOYCE THE FLOWERS?
No.
ANY SIGN OF ANGEL?
No.
ANY SIGN OF RILEY?
No.
ANY SIGN OF BEN/GLORY, DRU, HARMONY, DREG, JINX, THE KNIGHTS, WARREN OR SPIKE’S FEMBOT?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no and no. Even Spike sits this one out.
COME ON, HERC, GIVE US ONE BIG JUICY SPOILER!
Okay, but this one’s so big and cool, I’m going to say it backwards, like Zantanna!
!ssik neercsno tsrif rieht erahs wolliW dna araT
HERC’S RATING FOR “BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER” 5.16? ****
The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:
**** better than most motion pictures
*** actually worth your valuable time
** as horrible as most stuff on TV
* makes you quietly pray for bulletins
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"O let my name be in the Book of Love.
If it be there, I care not of
That other book Above...
Strike it out! Or write it in anew.
But let it be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kyam
by Catwoman » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:05 pm
by Warduke » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:06 pm
by Rane » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:11 pm
Oh, for it to be 8pm tuesday night...
edited to switch the number of kisses...
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by wiccie » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:14 pm
I have to go faint now....Blood rushing out of brain for other places...Buh bye.
*ker-thunk!*
by april » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:31 pm
i can't deal. i just can't. tomorrow can NOT come fast enough. i will treasure this ep forever...
by Catwoman » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:38 pm
The thing i was wondering was that now that we've got the W/T kiss, will the 'kitten, the witches and the bad wardrobe' sign at the top of the page be changed to show the pic of W/T kissage? That'd be cool, not that i don't love the pics that are there already
by tvsurfer » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:42 pm
I can go to bed happy now!!!1
4 kisses, an I love you and a scene that solidifies there relationship as a couple "we will do this together" and they leave hand in hand 'together' WOW !!!
I'll have to tape this eppie on both VCR's so if I wear out one tape I'll have another copy
by Dr.G » Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:45 pm
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Garfield, who wants to be an Amazon too now...
by Dave V » Mon Feb 26, 2001 7:15 pm
Zahir, thanks for the post. It's great to see the people at Ain't it Cool News being so very supportive of BtVS in general, and Willow/Tara in particular. No one can cause tears like Ms. Hannigan.
by xita » Mon Feb 26, 2001 7:35 pm
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by hypergirl » Tue Feb 27, 2001 2:15 am
by Ange » Tue Feb 27, 2001 10:36 am
THANK YOU MR WHEDON!!!!!!
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Sorry for my faults. I'm French.
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Willow: "Hello, gay now!"
by april » Tue Feb 27, 2001 10:40 am
who on buffy unlimited has the new ep already? you can email me the info at cyber_apple@hotmail.com if you don't want to post it.
by Isolde » Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:14 pm
Wow.
This is one of the best Buffy eps I've ever seen. Maybe the best. No music, and a lot more focus on the acting of the individuals. I've never lost anyone close to me, but SMG's reaction was very believable. Really liked the camera angles, etc, because it really made her utter loss and confusion more understandable.
Okay, let's not forget the obvious - THEY KISSED!!!!! And it was good - pretty much everything it could and should have been. And I fell in love with Tara all over again when she said "We can get through this." ... great line delivery! Woohoo! I am so happy right now!
The lack of music really made the episode work, again. Plus, there were a lot of subtleties going on between the characters, just little moments that Joss put a lot of attention into (Willow and Xander in the dorm room, for one). Plus, Anya wanting so much to understand, and her frustration about having no idea how to react. And personally, a vampire waking up in the middle of the morgue, in dead silence, right behind Dawn was eerier than all of the buildup music they have used before.
Sigh. Way to finish up the sweeps. Hope the fanfic can keep me going until the new eps!
by hypergirl » Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:16 pm
Ciao -
ºAshleyº
by tvsurfer » Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:21 pm
amazingly well done !!!!!!
David B of the NY Post was right
this deserves the EMMY
and the women, all the women in this ep, were just amazing!!!!!
AH just nailed this, and AB was fantastic
you could feel tara's empathy as she hurt for for her lover and friends as they struggled with the loss, just as you could read the pain of her reliving her own moms death in her eyes, very well done
JW is a very luck man to have so much talent to work with and bring his stories to life.
This eppie and these performances deserve the EMMY. nothing else on the small screen compares.
by hypergirl » Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:27 pm
by TashaR » Tue Feb 27, 2001 5:09 pm
That was so sweet, I was all teary. Poor Tara...Poor Willow.."Am I a grown up?" I loved how they did this...the whole episode was wonderful.
I so need to change my sig. "Aww, Baby, do you want me to rub your tummy? She likes it when I..."
by Anyalvr » Tue Feb 27, 2001 5:26 pm
Everyone was so, so excellent tonight.
Willow's almost complete breakdown was so heartwrenching. And Tara, as the emotional
center, the "strong one", did so well tonight I love Tara. Amber did so beautifully
Nicholas, Emma, Anthony, Sarah, Michelle . .
all A-rate performances. But Emma and Alyson were the ones that really got me.
I have to say that this episode was masterfully executed. When my sister died suddenly a year and a half ago, I went through so many of the same reactions - it was eerie how much Buffy recreated the reality of my own life.
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"I tried to be unlovable/why couldn't you do the same?"
-(jewel)
"Spank us 'til Tuesday! We promise to be bad if you do!"
-(drusilla, angel)
by eekiboo » Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:05 pm
and talk abt PYSCHIC dreaming... i posted on this thread http://novogate.efront.com/nocgi/Forum7 ... 394-2.html
re: my dream abt Willow and Tara kissing. i didn't know abt their kissing since i hate spoilers! i was a spoiler virgin until i saw a pic of their kiss last nite. it was *definitely* a dream come true, literally!
that was the most natural kiss i have ever seen between two people in love. it was a comfort kiss... Tara goes over to a grieving Willow to support her and comforts her, as if to say: i'm here, you're not alone.. and thus she said "we'll get through this..." i still can't believe it...
this episode definitely dealt with a lot of emotions: grief, sadness, denial, disbelief, confusion, etc. when you say "The Body," it means there is nothing in it anymore. it's empty. the soul has left. when Buffy said "she's gone" at the end of the ep, she's right. she's saying their mother's life has reached its end. notice in the beginning, when she told Giles: "they said we mustn't move 'the body'..." after that, she paused. that was her realization that her mother was truly dead and thus the outbreak.
Tara's mother died when she was 17. thank you Oh Joss for revealing more truths abt Tara's life. i always thought she was still living. i *definitely* loved it when she called Willow "darling" and "baby." and that cute little hand holding during the Christmas dinner. my heart just melted... OMG... and then the KISS happened... my heart is still beating with that image in my mind!
i've also noticed there wasn't any music in the whole ep. everybody's speechless. indeed, silence speaks a thousand words. it's just fantastic! the interplay between Buffy's flashbacks to the Christmas dinner, then her fantasy of her mom surviving the ordeal, even her thinking that the doctor is lying just to make her feel better, her telling Dawn abt their mother's demise, etc. were simply done magnificently.
i am in awe. pax.
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Willow to Buffy: "we have to face it, you can't handle Tara being my girlfriend..." The Yoko Factor
by eekiboo » Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:31 pm
by april » Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:57 pm
buffy's and dawn's initial reactions were very painful to watch, but actually, two other scenes got me even more than that: first, when willow says "little dawn" and almost bursts into tears again. my god. and then when tara quietly tells buffy about losing her own mother. the way she delivered the lines, and the way they were written...i totally identified with that. it's like, someone really close to you dies, and you feel guilty about all the weird reactions you're having. and the way buffy suddenly looked at tara, like "yes, my god, you actually understand me!" just incredible.
and the scene with the scoobies...willow and tara tear me to pieces. they were just superb. aly was INCREDIBLE portraying willow's freak-out, and they had SO much empathy between them for the kiss...you could just feel the love pouring off of tara. now that i've seen it, i can't think of a better way they could have shown a kiss. you can tell unquestionably how much they love each other. and then when willow mouths "i love you" at the end...it seals the scene perfectly. and you know, even in crisis, that these two are so in love... just amazing.
this was one of the best buffy eps i've ever seen. michelle trachtenberg was incredible as always. even anya, during her breakdown scene, really moved me. (i love anya, but she's not usually the deep emotional type.) wow. wow. wow. and again, wow.
i can think no more right now. i'll say more later...
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