General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 11

[Ari]

Hey ya'll, try this on for size.

Let's take a few of the theories/observations we've been fiddling with and combine them.

First, the wonderful observation that things seem to happening twice.

Second, the arguments set forth in the big 'social construction of reality' scene.

Now, what they said in that scene (massive paraphrasing to follow) was that there are two opposing theories to the construction of reality. The first one being that reality is created internally, by the thoughts and decision of each individual. And the second, focusing on the externality of social phenomenon.

So lets say that the reason we are seeing everything twice is that we are seeing each major event through the lens of each of these theories. That the first time things happen, they are 'created' internally. As in, they are the result of the internal choices and actions of the people involved.

ex: The first time Willow 'loses' Tara, it's a result of her own actions and decisions in doing the 'forget' spells, and Tara making the choice to leave in response.

And that would mean that the second time it happens, the reality is externally created. Meaning it's something which is completely out of the control of those involved and only the result of outside forces acting upon them.

ex: The second time Will loses Tara, it's all about the accident and things which neither of them could possibly controlled.

The general idea would seem to be that what we've been seeing all season, the 'realities' of each of the individual characters were internally created. Their problems, their troubles, were all things which they themselves had controlled and been responsible for. This is another thing we've noticed, nearly every plotline has been the result of a their own actions.

But that the end of the season is about an externally created and controlled reality. In other words, the reality defined and controlled by the wish. And that what we see in that reality is each of the characters reliving what has happened to them only this time with the events surrounding them being a result of the wish and it's consequences. And this being the reason for the extreme, out of control nature of the events as they are repeated. Because the fact that they are 'out of control' is precisely the point.

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Being out of control/forced to do something against your will (another entendre for that ep title) has been another major theme as well - Will trying to control Tara's memory, Warren's 'cerebral dampener', basically the entire musical, Buffy trying to control her reality in NA, FutureXander controlling Xander's visions in HB, and people being forced to stay in the house because of Dawn's wish.

Ari

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[NHSInfoCanary]

I keep wondering how much this ratings issue is affecting all of this.

I keep seeing references to the ratings being not as high as expected and I wonder if Joss is having to bow to certain pressures and change the story-line to incorporate some of the more mass appeal concepts that at all too obvious to us, such as let's have a Big-bad in the traditional sense of the show and let's make this one Willow for added 'oomph'.

It's difficult and probably dangerous to try to judge audience reaction to story-lines by basing it discussion board content but over the last week or so I've been trawling through most of them and the impression I get is that most people are attracted to the idea of Evil!Willow - even to the extent of it being a concept in S7 storylines. There also isn't, in my mind, a feeling of outright ire that Tara ends up being what seems to be a sacrifical pawn/plot device - just a resigned shrug that it's a pity she's going as she was getting more interesting but so what - this way we get Evil!Willow so yum yum.

The more refined and subtle arguments that we feel so strongly about seem to be going right over peoples heads or are dismissed outright and whilst a noble few are fighting the good fight and trying to educate and inform (eg Bzengo) the truth is this will only have a marginal effect on the people out there.

It's an even more depressing concept that this travesty of a story line might be due to an enforced loss of artistic integrity on Joss's part because of bottom-line market forces.

If this does go the pessimistic way and T/W are not sorted out satisfactorially in some incredibly clever way that none of us can forsee (or one of the ones forseen via speculation) then I will be *so* disappointed because I will have to come to the inevitable conclusion that my suspicions outlined above are indeed true.

[Web Warlock]

NHS,

IF the show is bowing to outside pressures to reduce it to the least common denominator, then it is no longer the show I started to watch.

Personally I doubt that is going to occur. Buffy's ratings are still "not that bad" and this is the same netwoork that force fed us Voyager for 7 years.

If they wanted to amp up the ratings then what makes the most sense (and pleases the most camps) is to turn up the sex. Especially the hot "girl on girl" action. Can't do that with a dead Tara and an evil Willow!

I am also 100% convinced that Evil Willow or Black Magic Willow is nothing more than a season finale plot twist. We will not have her as Season 7s Big Bad. Though I am sure that we will a Really Big, Big Bad next year.

Gravitating back to "wait and see" campsite, and even peaking over at the "trust in Joss" campsite to see what they are cooking.

Warlock.

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[Perfume V]

NHS - I'd disagree. At HDC and televisionwithoutpity.com, the amount of bile flung at the Tara-death storyline has probably been even stronger than here.

As for the ratings crisis: new episodes at the moment are around 3.5 million, meaning it's lost 1 or 2 million in the transition to UPN. Buffy was more an influential show than a ratings-topper, but losing 1-2 million is a serious failure.

The brunt of viewer criticism/apathy/desertion seems to be centred on the amount of sex, violence and misery, so I can't see how the 'sensational' plotlines helping this any. If the ratings slump helps the show get out of its misery rut, then I'll forgive Joss and Marti for bowing to public pressure just this once.

[Lijdrec]

Ari:
I don't know.... seems to me that if you externally affirm (the second occurrance) an internal action/thought then you are bringing it into the further, shared reality, ie. you really do kill Tara. That's why IMHO Buffy's about the twist, the third look, not the double-take. But this is just semantics....

Canary:
If Joss is to be believed then he already has season 7 'wired' - outlined. The current season was probably already out lined the January/February of 2001. That doesn't mean that some changes could be made, we all heard about some shifting-around of ep-plots. But overall I think he knew what would transpire with W/T long ago.

Which is the prime reason that I'm not that worried, because Joss' long-term comments have never indicated anything about a permanent loss. His short term comments on upcoming pain and anguish are always relavent but IMHO speak only to the individual ep storylines not the season as a whole - not the arc....

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[Corinthian]

Regarding S7, I once heard (can't remember if this came from the Kitten board or from a member in the ME camp) about 'the first evil' -- the same 1E that we saw back in S3 (the Christmas ep where Angel is 'haunted' by Jenny Calendar and everyone else he killed while he was Angelus. Even if it was spec, that'd be damn interesting. And what if all the trials and tribulations Buffy and the Scoobies were going through now were influenced by the 1E as at set-up to S7? Hmmm....

Paul

[Ari]

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[b]Ari:
I don't know.... seems to me that if you externally affirm (the second occurrance) an internal action/thought then you are bringing it into the further, shared reality, ie. you really do kill Tara. That's why IMHO Buffy's about the twist, the third look, not the double-take. But this is just semantics....

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I just used the W/T example because that's something we know for certain about.

If you want to look at how the other characters situations would be affected/changed then you could have, going by Ed's scenerio:

Spike thinking his chip had malfunctioned (internal perception)/being de-chipped

Dawn almost getting vamped because of a bad decision to park with the undead/getting vamped because of Spike trying to get back at Buffy.

And so forth. The repeated actions aren't an affirmation, but a perversion. Brought on by the nature of the wish an the wisher. It's not something that occurs naturally but a reality imposed on them by an external force.

The whole idea of growing up and taking responsibility for your actions would presuppose that this totally externalized reality is something that would have to be undone. Because it's very nature takes away personal choices and their inherent responsibilities.

Ari

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[capricornmist]

Ok, pure speculation here!

I heard that on episode 20 Willow goes into one and chases down a Warren robot, the bus scene etc

This doesn`t mean that it is neccessarily our Willow doing the chasing especially seeing as Rack is still urking and he is not happy with Willow right now! He may have a larger role to play in this than what people think.
Maybe to get his own back on her and isolate her from her friends he some how produces an illusion of Willow doing these things. This would certainly separate Willow from her friends for awhile, long enough for Rack to make a move on her without the otheres knowing what is going on.

Does this make sense or am I having a moment of temporay insanity!

Just a thought!

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Originally posted by capricornmist:
Maybe to get his (Rack) own back on her and isolate her from her friends he some how produces an illusion of Willow doing these things. This would certainly separate Willow from her friends for awhile, long enough for Rack to make a move on her without the otheres knowing what is going on.

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I think in an earlier thread they mentioned Rack doesn't really play a big role (if any at all) in the upcoming eps. BUT... I'd buy into the theory that he created an illusion of Tara's death to push her (Willow) back to magic.

But then, I'll accept pretty much anything that keeps Tara alive, safe and in the arms of Willow!

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[capricornmist]

Hmmmm, bugger it! Oh well I tried.

I just can`t see the whole Tara dead and Willow evil thing working.

I mean why would they leak info like that if it was meant to be a big finale. Nope there is something else happening here ladies and gents.

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Goodbye to you, goodbye to everything that I knew.
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[Corinthian]

Sorry Capricornmist, I didn't mean to rain on your parade!
You were partially right -- confirmed spoilers have DarkWillow chasing WarrenBot on a bus. You can see all the confirmed spoilers on page 1 of this thread.
Go here
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What I hoped to clarify was that the major rumours floating about Rack have been discounted by Michelle and Bob.
Don't give up hope!
Paul

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[Ed The Spoiler]

Kamil -
I dont think the resurrection spell has anything to do with anything at this point. (At least I have not heard it does). If you go back to some of my original posts, you will see what I said specifically regarding Jonathon, but I won't comment further on it until some of the things I have said are substantiated.

Partyman-

I keep hearing that things I have said "hugely contradict" each other, but I havent seen how they've done that, especially since these episodes havent aired. Additionally, if you've read everything that I've said you will see that I've said that some of the MINOR details regarding what I've said may or may not be used. For instance, I know one particular thing I mentioned is not being used because they had enough motivation for the character's choice (Anya). But that does not mean that the outcome isnt the same.

I understand the motivation to completely discount things people say on here, but, it's usually good to reserve judgement until the jury's in. At this point, I will say that the final episode has been written and is going thru review. At this early stage in the game, You might be able to at least confirm that.

[Cici]

Tara had a contract for something like 16-18 eps this season. She has just signed a contract not to long ago for the same amount of eps next season. This has been confirmed by one of our NBers not to long ago.

Post: "Q: What Is The Contract Status Of The Characters?" http://www.buffy.com/bronze_posts.jsp?tid=47822

Mmh... no Tara dead? maybe they turn back time!??!!!

[capricornmist]

As long as noone pi**es on my fireworks I don`t mind!

I think at the moment there are just far to many questions flying around and not enough answers.

There seems to alot of speculation on the big bad and the death etc, but I don`t know does anyone else think this is abit like a lost cause? We never seem to find out anything concrete and also there are so many ways that this could happen.

The most recent news I heard about the 21 and 22 episode names rings untrue with me. I mean they don`t sound like a Buffy TVS eppy to me but hell knows I could be wrong!

Mind you I am still debating as to whether i would watch Buffy if indeed Tara does die, although I do still like my Willow fix every week!

All this contract talk, i can`t see us getting a firm answer on this. It`s the only way that ME can stop people for finding out for sure what is going to happen this season.

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[Puff]

Ed I'd never shoot the messenger that says Tara is fine at the end of season 6. And I look forward to watching the episodes to see how accurate everyone is being.

Btw thanks for sharing the spoilers. And if it pans out like you say feel free to come back and say I told you so

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[Web Warlock]

Ed.

Actually I have not found any major condrictions in your posts.

And as Puff said. If Tara is alive and well at the end of Season6 feel free to jump around and do the I-told-you-so dance. Chances are we will be happy to notice!

We are wary here of so called outside spoiler people because it has been the experience that people come in from the outside and tell us "Tara is going to die. Get over it!" Well I for one will not get over it.

I am strangly optimistic these last few days. I remembered some that was posted about the ending of Season 5 on, of all places, the Usenet.

"Just when you think Joss is going to clobber you with the sledgehammer of certainity, he will get you with the stiletto of surprise!".

THAT has actually panned out for every season finale I can think of. Here's to hope. And Faith, because, well just because she is hot.

Warlock.

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[greep]

Just read this on the Spoiler Slayer Site, apparantly sourced from AngelX

In regards to Buffy leaving Dawn with Clem
Giles isn't there and Xander is the only other remaining Scooby member. It wouldn't be right for her to try to do the things she has to do in the episode alone.
Clem is probably better than the alternative of Dawn tagging along with Buffy while she battles.

To my mine this is good news.

The more dead Scoobie's the better!

Just makes a big-happy reset more likely.

[Kirk B]

I am still in the I won't believe it until I see it camp.

I don't consider this denial, however. I am pperfectly willing to accept the possibility that Joss could go this route. And if it DOES happen, then I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

But I, for one, refuse to take any spoiler or rumor (no matter how confirmed) as true until I see it on screen. I wouldn't even believe it from Joss himself, not until it makes it to my TV.

PLUS, Joss has never been one for doing repetitious storylines.

Last season, in TL (which I believe was ep 19) something bad happened to Tara and Willow went all dark with her magick as a result. Now, we're being told told that in ep 19 of this season, something bad happens to Tara and Willow's going to go all dark with her magick as a result?

If nothing else, that's a lack of trying. I mean, been there done that. Why wouldn't Joss want to try something new this season, since the whole point of the story, the theme, is grow up. Tara dieing, Willow giving in completely to her darkness (which begs the question how would she ever make it back into the light, especially without Tara?), that would be a pretty lousy way to end the season. And where's the life lesson in that anyway?

IF, and this is a big if, someone Scooby-related DOES die this season, I would propose it's NOT Tara. After all, Joss has been known to leak fake spoilers, even ones that sound really real, to hide what he is actually doing.

My guess is it would be someone else, like Anya or Spike, if it's anyone.

But even then, I won't believe it until I see it.

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"A Willow is a tree that weeps, but Tara is firmer and will hold.”

Hear that baby? You're my always.

I got so lost.
I found you. I will always find you.

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[AutumnT]

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The more dead Scoobie's the better!

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Can you believe it's come to this? Who'd a thunk it.

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[BigMac]

Just got the june issue of SCIFI in it Marti said " There's not much I can tell you except that a lot things that have been put in motion this season are going to explode. I think the fans are sort of converned, you know, what's the big bad this year? Where's the real menace? I think everybody's going to feel very satisfied about how everything comes into play" She also said they'll be a "sort of" cliffhanger for Buffy. Now for me I said this everytime I post and I'll say again assume crash position.

[Jane Eyre]

I just wanted to pipe up that I'm feeling strangely optimistic too over the past day. Someone on these boards made a good point a few days ago that if Tara's death were the big clincher, why would we have found out so easily and so early? Everything about it smells of red herring...I also wanted to say that I've been lurking for quite a while, and read all of Ed's big episode breakdown that so many people had issues with. I really think they sound plausible. They have the right tone to them, they just FEEL right. I don't know how else to describe them. Okay, true, I totally want to believe them, but I just wanted to point out that if the minute details don't break down per episode as Ed indicated, it seems to me that it's insignificant as a whole in debunking him. Ed's been quiet as to where he got his info, but it sounds to me like what he gave us was a general story arc breakdown, perhaps from a writers' meeting a while ago. While the details may have changed slightly, I for one will not be at all surprise if Ed has nailed the gist of this season's arc.

okay, sorry so longwinded. I've been silent for so long, it all came bubbling out. It's nice to be a part of the conversation though

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ps over at the bronze they're debating whether Willow's lesbianism is "believable." Figured a few kittens might be interested in checking that out...I've already put in my 2 cents too often in that post, so I'm going to leave them alone now...

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[Popje]

I could be wrong, but I don't think AngelX is saying that Xander's the only Scoobie remaing alive...but more like he's the only other one around to fight with Buffy....

[Ange]

You know, something pretty surprising too:

At the beginning of the Tara dies spoiler, we said to us, when we had the chat about the new spoilers at the moment, that in ep 20, when Dawn is with Clem and stays with him. She still doesn't know about Tara's death.

I think that it's kind of horrible.

Ange.

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[Warduke]

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ps over at the bronze they're debating whether Willow's lesbianism is "believable." Figured a few kittens might be interested in checking that out...I've already put in my 2 cents too often in that post, so I'm going to leave them alone now...

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You guys can debate this on other boards but let's not talk about it here ok.

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Just got the june issue of SCIFI in it Marti said " ...I think everybody's going to feel very satisfied about how everything comes into play" She also said they'll be a "sort of" cliffhanger for Buffy.

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Well, the whole thing smells of cliffhanger to me. I think that Normal Again is going to come into play somehow. A gut feeling, a sick one. Not sayin that I think Buffy is really in a mental institution, but somehow, that is going to come up again. And.. I don't want Tara dead, but I like the idea of killing just about all of them off so that they need to reset everything..lol. That's the only way to have it make any sense. Just like in The Wish.

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I can see it ending with a cliffhanger. If there is a reset button or a reversal of some sort, I could see how they would end it with the implication of a reversal. Then, it would play out in the next season. I don't like it because I want some definitive resolution, but I wouldn't put it past them. Then that would account for Amber's absence in the last few episodes. Going into next season, we won't know exactly who's left standing or what exactly was reversed.

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The explosion at the end.

It just struck me that Dawn has been considered to be such a tertiary character by most (I've always thought she was primary to Buffy, myself) that perhaps it is Dawn who is litteraly The Key at the end. Surely, someone has posted this opinion before me, but it came to me now as such a revelation that I had to write it down.

Dawn's depression is centered in her mother's, Joyce's death and was exacerbated when Buffy died. Buffy's own PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) has not allowed her to be the care-giver in Dawn's life that she should be. Even add in Xander and Anya's breakup and Buffy's 'ideal family life' in NA and Dawn's 'everyone goes away' scenario may be reaching a climax.

There was a spoiler once that Dawn discovers some powers of her own. Could it be that Dawn is indeed The Key to the season end? While Willow deals in her own way (hate to see that), Dawn on discovering the death of her surrogate mother of 6-7 months, Tara, may..... well you get my drift.

May be an ending truly worth watching, something totally new, her anger over people 'leaving' may trigger something 'frighteningly wonderful' to bring back Tara....

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In Life serial the nerds did three test on buffy, one was fast forward of time so if time can be fast forward how about the other around. I beleave that in Normal Again the nerd will help buffy and those who will survie are showm.

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I am hesitant to ask this, but, could you all please avoid speculating on where I got the information I posted. I would appreciate that enormously...

Ed

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Just got the june issue of SCIFI in it Marti said " ...I think everybody's going to feel very satisfied about how everything comes into play" She also said they'll be a "sort of" cliffhanger for Buffy.

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Well, the whole thing smells of cliffhanger to me. I think that Normal Again is going to come into play somehow. A gut feeling, a sick one. Not sayin that I think Buffy is really in a mental institution, but somehow, that is going to come up again. And.. I don't want Tara dead, but I like the idea of killing just about all of them off so that they need to reset everything..lol. That's the only way to have it make any sense. Just like in The Wish.

Meg

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Originally posted by BigMac:
Just got the june issue of SCIFI in it Marti said " ...I think everybody's going to feel very satisfied about how everything comes into play" She also said they'll be a "sort of" cliffhanger for Buffy.

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Well, the whole thing smells of cliffhanger to me. I think that Normal Again is going to come into play somehow. A gut feeling, a sick one. Not sayin that I think Buffy is really in a mental institution, but somehow, that is going to come up again. And.. I don't want Tara dead, but I like the idea of killing just about all of them off so that they need to reset everything..lol. That's the only way to have it make any sense. Just like in The Wish.

Meg
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I can see it ending with a cliffhanger. If there is a reset button or a reversal of some sort, I could see how they would end it with the implication of a reversal. Then, it would play out in the next season. I don't like it because I want some definitive resolution, but I wouldn't put it past them. Then that would account for Amber's absence in the last few episodes. Going into next season, we won't know exactly who's left standing or what exactly was reversed.

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posted March 22, 2002 12:29                I can see it ending with a cliffhanger. If there is a reset button or a reversal of some sort, I could see how they would end it with the implication of a reversal. Then, it would play out in the next season. I don't like it because I want some definitive resolution, but I wouldn't put it past them. Then that would account for Amber's absence in the last few episodes. Going into next season, we won't know exactly who's left standing or what exactly was reversed.

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The explosion at the end.

It just struck me that Dawn has been considered to be such a tertiary character by most (I've always thought she was primary to Buffy, myself) that perhaps it is Dawn who is litteraly The Key at the end. Surely, someone has posted this opinion before me, but it came to me now as such a revelation that I had to write it down.

Dawn's depression is centered in her mother's, Joyce's death and was exacerbated when Buffy died. Buffy's own PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) has not allowed her to be the care-giver in Dawn's life that she should be. Even add in Xander and Anya's breakup and Buffy's 'ideal family life' in NA and Dawn's 'everyone goes away' scenario may be reaching a climax.

There was a spoiler once that Dawn discovers some powers of her own. Could it be that Dawn is indeed The Key to the season end? While Willow deals in her own way (hate to see that), Dawn on discovering the death of her surrogate mother of 6-7 months, Tara, may..... well you get my drift.

May be an ending truly worth watching, something totally new, her anger over people 'leaving' may trigger something 'frighteningly wonderful' to bring back Tara....

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The explosion at the end.

It just struck me that Dawn has been considered to be such a tertiary character by most (I've always thought she was primary to Buffy, myself) that perhaps it is Dawn who is litteraly The Key at the end. Surely, someone has posted this opinion before me, but it came to me now as such a revelation that I had to write it down.

Dawn's depression is centered in her mother's, Joyce's death and was exacerbated when Buffy died. Buffy's own PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) has not allowed her to be the care-giver in Dawn's life that she should be. Even add in Xander and Anya's breakup and Buffy's 'ideal family life' in NA and Dawn's 'everyone goes away' scenario may be reaching a climax.

There was a spoiler once that Dawn discovers some powers of her own. Could it be that Dawn is indeed The Key to the season end? While Willow deals in her own way (hate to see that), Dawn on discovering the death of her surrogate mother of 6-7 months, Tara, may..... well you get my drift.

May be an ending truly worth watching, something totally new, her anger over people 'leaving' may trigger something 'frighteningly wonderful' to bring back Tara....
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Registered: Mar 2002 posted March 22, 2002 12:37               

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In Life serial the nerds did three test on buffy, one was fast forward of time so if time can be fast forward how about the other around. I beleave that in Normal Again the nerd will help buffy and those who will survie are showm.

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posted March 22, 2002 12:37                In Life serial the nerds did three test on buffy, one was fast forward of time so if time can be fast forward how about the other around. I beleave that in Normal Again the nerd will help buffy and those who will survie are showm.IP: LoggedEd The Spoilerunregistered posted March 22, 2002 12:38              

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I am hesitant to ask this, but, could you all please avoid speculating on where I got the information I posted. I would appreciate that enormously...

Ed

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posted March 22, 2002 12:38               I am hesitant to ask this, but, could you all please avoid speculating on where I got the information I posted. I would appreciate that enormously...

Ed

[Jane Eyre]

no, sorry, didn't mean to open that topic here, just thought the bronze needed a strong dose of kitten-thinking...

[m_1970]

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Originally posted by BigMac:
Just got the june issue of SCIFI in it Marti said " ...I think everybody's going to feel very satisfied about how everything comes into play" She also said they'll be a "sort of" cliffhanger for Buffy.

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Well, the whole thing smells of cliffhanger to me. I think that Normal Again is going to come into play somehow. A gut feeling, a sick one. Not sayin that I think Buffy is really in a mental institution, but somehow, that is going to come up again. And.. I don't want Tara dead, but I like the idea of killing just about all of them off so that they need to reset everything..lol. That's the only way to have it make any sense. Just like in The Wish.

Meg
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[Sela]

I can see it ending with a cliffhanger. If there is a reset button or a reversal of some sort, I could see how they would end it with the implication of a reversal. Then, it would play out in the next season. I don't like it because I want some definitive resolution, but I wouldn't put it past them. Then that would account for Amber's absence in the last few episodes. Going into next season, we won't know exactly who's left standing or what exactly was reversed.

--Sela

[Lijdrec]

The explosion at the end.

It just struck me that Dawn has been considered to be such a tertiary character by most (I've always thought she was primary to Buffy, myself) that perhaps it is Dawn who is litteraly The Key at the end. Surely, someone has posted this opinion before me, but it came to me now as such a revelation that I had to write it down.

Dawn's depression is centered in her mother's, Joyce's death and was exacerbated when Buffy died. Buffy's own PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) has not allowed her to be the care-giver in Dawn's life that she should be. Even add in Xander and Anya's breakup and Buffy's 'ideal family life' in NA and Dawn's 'everyone goes away' scenario may be reaching a climax.

There was a spoiler once that Dawn discovers some powers of her own. Could it be that Dawn is indeed The Key to the season end? While Willow deals in her own way (hate to see that), Dawn on discovering the death of her surrogate mother of 6-7 months, Tara, may..... well you get my drift.

May be an ending truly worth watching, something totally new, her anger over people 'leaving' may trigger something 'frighteningly wonderful' to bring back Tara....

[BigMac]

In Life serial the nerds did three test on buffy, one was fast forward of time so if time can be fast forward how about the other around. I beleave that in Normal Again the nerd will help buffy and those who will survie are showm.

[Ed The Spoiler]

I am hesitant to ask this, but, could you all please avoid speculating on where I got the information I posted. I would appreciate that enormously...

Ed