General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 11

[Scout]

Yes, as twisted as it sounds, we need as much carnage as possible - everyone down for the count. If no one is left, then we get the 'sort of cliffhanger,' which is the reset at the last moment.

I'd still really like to see them alive though before we head into the summer reruns, but it sounds like we won't get it. Maybe that's too greedy and I should just be happy with the idea that all the death and mayhem gets reversed.

Then I'll be living for S7 spoilers. I wonder how soon we can get those...

[Sela]

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Originally posted by Scout:
Yes, as twisted as it sounds, we need as much carnage as possible - everyone down for the count. If no one is left, then we get the 'sort of cliffhanger,' which is the reset at the last moment.

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I have to agree with you here, Scout. It's so sick, but it absolutely fits with the scheme of things. Who would've thought that the word "carnage" could bring a smile to my face?

For some reason, when I picture this thing playing out, I see the end of "The Wish." Like all slo-mo and a lot of death. I don't know. Just my impression.

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I'd still really like to see them alive though before we head into the summer reruns, but it sounds like we won't get it. Maybe that's too greedy and I should just be happy with the idea that all the death and mayhem gets reversed.

Then I'll be living for S7 spoilers. I wonder how soon we can get those...

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No, that's not greedy. It's the LEAST they can do for us after having to put up with the bottomless pit of destruction that is Season 6. BUT, I doubt they will.

I'm just waiting to hear confirmation on Amber's contract. That would tell us a lot, I think. Even if it is a cliffhanger, at least we'd know whether or not Tara was going to be a part of the equation.

--Sela

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[greep]

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Originally posted by Scout:
...I'll be living for S7 spoilers. I wonder how soon we can get those...

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No S7 spoilers, but just a thought.

A friend of mine tells me that the Fray comic (set way in the future in the Buffy-verse), mentions some big epic battle in the past which results in all demons/vampires being whiped from the Earth.
Add to this the hints in Angel that he might be turned human, and I see:

Big Battle
All Demons/Vampires go poof!
Buffy and now-human-Angel live happily ever after.
End of Show!

Or of course I could be talking a load of tosh!

mmmmmmmm Modesty Clothing!
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[The Big I-T]

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Originally posted by Scout:
I'd still really like to see them alive though before we head into the summer reruns, but it sounds like we won't get it. Maybe that's too greedy and I should just be happy with the idea that all the death and mayhem gets reversed.

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No kidding...I'm already wishing my life away 4 weeks at a time; if I start making that 4 months at a time I'm going to end up very, very old very, very fast...Good Lord -- the gray hairs that are already showing up on my head over this...it's just pathetic!

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[Ed The Spoiler]

Interesting choice of words by Marti Noxton regarding the end of the season, makes ya wonder just whats going to explode... Hmmm

Ed

[Dr.G]

My head probably. Which is a pity as I am terribly good looking...

[Ari]

"Store go boom. Arrrr."

[JuniorK]

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Originally posted by BigMac:
Just got the june issue of SCIFI in it Marti said " ...I think everybody's going to feel very satisfied about how everything comes into play" She also said they'll be a "sort of" cliffhanger for Buffy..

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In order for everyone to be satisfied how everything comes into play,
- no dead Tara --> at the end
- no evil Willow --> at the end
- much Tara/Willow together-ness --> at the end

An only "sort of" a cliff hanger for Buffy:
- not a huge issue?
- an issue that has already been up in the air for awhile foreshadowed.

I have been living on the happy bus with much virtual likker, but an feelin happier

PS: Dr G, I'm sure you are absolutely beautiful, now make the bad-exploding-un-smiley-head go away and bring back the happy-smoker *grin* (very un-PC comment)

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[Princess Willow]

Ok...so I am spoiled through ep 20 and I have heard confirmed and unconfirmed spoilers and tons of speculation regarding the last 2 eps and next season. I am not reading this thread all the way through because I don't want to be spoiled for ep 21 & 22. That said, I have a question about something I saw posted on imdb.com today.

"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (1997) TV Series .... Tara Maclay (1999-2002)
... aka "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Series" (1997)
... aka "Buffy" (1997)

Does this mean the character of Tara Maclay is finished after this season or is it just showing the years she has been on, thus far. I checked out other people's listings and for instance Adam Busch is listed (2001- ).

Sorry to bring up bad stuff but I am really curious.

Thank you so much for any info you can provide that will not spoil me with full details of eps 21 & 22.

Thanks again!
Erica

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"Lord what fools these mortals be."

[Sela]

No, Princess Willow, what IMBD has posted doesn't necessarily mean anything. The information that is posted on that site usually comes from people who have nothing to do with the show and from fans, just like you and I. So, it's not reliable. Just a few months ago they had Tara Maclay (1999-?). Someone probably just submitted that in the last month or so.

--Sela

[Ashes]

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....I have a question about something I saw posted on imdb.com today.
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Ignore any info you read at that site. It is not very accurate. People show up there who have not even requested to be on it and others put information under their own names that is not correct.

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[Princess Willow]

*sigh of relief*

Thank you VERY much for your quick responses. I know that we can't breathe very easily around here right now but at least this bit of info has lightened the load a bit for me.

Thanks again!

Erica

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"Lord what fools these mortals be."

[BBOvenGuy]

Sounds like we need to put that IMDB thing in the FAQ.

As for the "sort of cliffhanger" business, every season has pretty much ended on a "sort of cliffhanger." The trend has been to end every season on a note that could be the final note of the series, but still has some unresolved questions attached to it. It can't be too cliffhanger-y, though, because I'd expect Joss to set the beginning of Season 7 a couple of months after the end of Season 6, the way he's done every year.

I think at the very least we'll know who's alive and who's not by the time the season finale ends. At least we'd better know.

[greep]

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Originally posted by Princess Willow:
Ok......I have a question about something I saw posted on imdb.com today.....

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This is the same IMDB that had Shannen Doherty playing Giles daughter!

It's notoriously unreliable for advance information.
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[theatremouse]

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Originally posted by Perfume V:
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As for the ratings crisis: new episodes at the moment are around 3.5 million, meaning it's lost 1 or 2 million in the transition to UPN. Buffy was more an influential show than a ratings-topper, but losing 1-2 million is a serious failure.

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actually, comparing how many areas receive UPN versus those that have the WB, losing 1.5 million-ish in viewers is rather expected, and means the show is doing just about as well as it did last year. mind you 5 wasnt its best ratings year by any means, but the show is doing essentially the same. it's just in smaller distribution. there is no "crisis" concerning the ratings. yeah they could be hotter, but it's the the freakin way best thing that UPN's got goin for it. esp in key demo.

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It's horrible! That's me as a vampire. I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.quote:

[greep]

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Originally posted by theatremouse:
....there is no "crisis" concerning the ratings. yeah they could be hotter, but it's the the freakin way best thing that UPN's got goin for it. esp in key demo.

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Am I the only one who's thought what a fabulous ratings booster would be a full-on-W/T snog-fest would be?quote:

[Ange]

You know that's maybe crazy, but i really start to believe that Joss's team, took all the fake spoilers that we heard at the beginning of the season, like Tara dies and Willow is the big bad, to make them become true and put them in the show at the end. Like that people have what they want and they can reverse the whole thing after.

I begin crazy!

Ange.

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"Things are not always what they seem to be...." Shakespare.

[Morphine]

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Originally posted by greep:
Am I the only one who's thought what a fabulous ratings booster would be a full-on-W/T snog-fest would be?

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Although I understand your point of view, and although it might possibly work, I'd feel it'd be a bit... cheap to turn a loving, caring relationship in a circus just for the sake of ratings (which they're doing anyway with the evil/dead lesbians). I do hope we get a major love-fest though Just for the right reasons : To fight prejudice, to show a loving lesbian relationship and cause... well it makes me feel all tingly.

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[The Godfather]

As much as I look foward to a love scene between two people who truly love each other...I don't think sex should EVER be used to garner ratings..but rather always to tell a story. That's what has been so horribly wrong with the B/S story..after the second time..we got it..they were screwing..each time after that just made me think they didn't have enough story to tell.

Will and Tara are more than that..so much more..

-Shawn

[The Partyman]

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Originally posted by Ed The Spoiler:
Partyman-

I keep hearing that things I have said "hugely contradict" each other, but I havent seen how they've done that, especialy since these episodes havent aired...

...At this point, I will say that the final episode has been written and is going thru review. At this early stage in the game, You might be able to at least confirm that.

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I was merely referring to a post in the previous spoiler threads by one of the mods who had checked and cross referenced the IP's of all your posts, and with the exception the imposter you may recall, all were the same, yet it was mentioned that your initial posts, as "Spoiler" and "Ed The Spoiler" contradicted the information you have since given us.

I was simply metioning what had been stated by a mod, not trying to say that you are bogus. Your information does confuse me, but I personally cannot say that all of it is untrue at this point. Even if your information is only speculation it is an interesting read, and I particulary liked your supposition that you were perhaps an ME rumourmonger trying to feed us a load of Rubbish (I'm assuming you're not! *veg*)

As for your comments about the Script for the Season Finale, I can confirm that what you said is totally true.

So there's one point for ya at least!

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[Kiwiccan]

ED The Spoiler: I'm giving you a big hug, because whether or not you are telling the truth you have given my mind (heart and soul) something to cling to for the next month.

By nature, I am a worrier. Yup, a real type "A" worrier, who hates to wait for the outcome of thing that is causing me to worry. Because of this, I choose to believe you and I am going into this, knowing full well you may be nothing more than a evil minded person whose sole intent is to dupe us kittens.

If you turn out to be a "Warren" type I will suggest you get some help. If you turn out to be more of a "Tara" (loving and caring) type I will verbally hug you again and again and sing (off key) your praises.

Time will tell. In the meantime, I am in my happy place.

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May the Amber Force be with you.
Keeper of my own insanity

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[Ed The Spoiler]

Partyman -

Thanks for elaborating that, and I still maintain that none of my postings contradict each other. If anything ONE of the plot devices I mentioned to induce Anya to decide to accept D'Hoffryn's invite wasnt used, but that does not mean that she DOESNT accept it, just that there was enough support her decision without going overboard. And it doesnt contradict statements I've made, it simply doesnt fit into the confirmed spoiler AngelX (or whoever) posted, and even these *DO* support the main objective that Anya accepts the proposal.

In any case, without going into in depth, you'll all see what I mean soon enough.

Ed

P.s. They say the devil is in the details, but maybe its not really a devil... Maybe its a vengence demon... Hmmm

[Lonewolf]

Guys I wanted to ask you a question, on page 6 Cici posted a link to the Buffy official site on the FAQ page and it said that Amber has a contract for 16-18 episodes this season and that she just signed a new contract for next season. I just wanted to know how accurate that is and if it is true being that it is the official site.

Lonewolf

[Lonewolf]

Guys I wanted to ask you a question, on page 6 Cici posted a link to the Buffy official site on the FAQ page and it said that Amber has a contract for 16-18 episodes this season and that she just signed a new contract for next season. I just wanted to know how accurate that is and if it is true being that it is the official site.

Lonewolf

[maudmac]

This little mini spoiler drought we're having is making me itchy. It's like a few weeks back - "Arrrrgh, we need spooooiiiillllerrrrsss!" And we got 'em. Boy, did we.

I'm so scared about what's coming next. It's been ominously quiet lately. I want to know, but I don't. I'm going to be watching this thread through my fingers.

[gf2020hotmail]

For purposes of this post, I will not quote in the regular style because there is too much work to be done.
(please don't delete this post "right away" as I worked hard on it and I think it points out what Ed did really vividly and not create the false hope he wanted to in the hopes of conversation and debate. he also has posted several times asking what were wrong with his spoilers)

Ed the Spoiler challanges.....
gf2020;
Please point out one thing I've said that has been proven to be wrong, because while I am curious, at least admit I could be incorrect about a couple of minor things>>

First, I'll point out that you didn't post any spoilers, untill Angel X's last big website update. You posted once and you said you really couldn't give out anything, but suddenly you are able to post spoilers and a great number of them and for episodes no one else spoiled to the extent you did.

Nearly everysingle spoiler you posted is basically tibits from Angel X's website reworded or tidbits from other spoilersites gathered on spoiler slayer.

these are used for your spoilers from a post in the last spoiler thread: >>

Episode 18
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Xander discovers a camera and has a run in with Spike.>>
From ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: After discovering the camera planted at Buffy's house, Xander suspects Spike is behind the spying and Buffy confronts him on the issue
Buffy defends him and this causes spike to demand that Buffy tell everyone about them.>>
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: Buffy seems to actually believe her friend over Spike (swithching to another tidbit..) Spike again raises the issue of Buffy confessing to her friends about her "relationship" with him
Anya ends up going to spike who's the only person she knows who "hates" xander, gets drunk and does sleep with him. he gang sees it>>
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: Unable to curse Xander with the help of other Scoobies, Anya goes to someone who actually hates Xander: Spike. Unfortunately though, her efforts to get him drunk and trick him into wishing Xander bodily harm take a turn for the twisted and the two very drunk demons end up trying to sooth their broken hearts by moving on...with each other. What the two don't realize though is that a hidden camera in the Magic Box catches the whole event on camera, allowing the entire rest of the gang and the Trio to witness it.
and Xander mentions breaking up with her over it.>>
I don't have any hard evidence about this one single tidbit being stolen or wrong. But it seems like this is a guess and a poor one at that because didn't they already break up? It's hard to believe that Xander would still consider them being boyfriend and girlfriend
Anya decides to return to being a vengence demon again after egged on by Halfrek and D'Hoffryn>>
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: Having accepted the offer to become a vengeance demon again
FROM THE SPOILER SLAYER VIA THESE VERY SAME KITTEN BOARDS: D'Hoffyn and Halfrek offer Anya her old job.
but there is a big condition attached to it.>>
YOU SAID after BBOVEN debunked you: No condition mentioned on her becoming a vengence demon, eh? I guess that means she becomes one. Thats one character down.
LOGICAL SPECULATION DEBUNKING: You seemingly brag that you were right about Anya becoming a vengeance demon and that somehow made up for you being wrong about the big condition. Everyone knew that Anya went vengance demon, so knowing that is no big detail.
The nerds discuss and begin their plan to kill Buffy (much to the horror of Jonathon).>>
We all knew they begin their plan (by stealing a disk) they need and we all knew or at least speculated that Jonathon started doubting the trio's actions. Nothing new hre..
The scoobs (including dawn) end up learning about Buffy's affair with spike and it leads to a huge arguement. >>
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: Buffy confesses to Dawn about her relationship with Spike and after an odd turn of events, Xander and Anya find out as well.
So out of all your episode 18 spoilers, all but 1 appear to be stolen and gathered and reworded from different websites. And that one new "spoiler" is doubtful at best.
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Buffy breaks up the nerds plans and they summon a demon to try to distract her. Anya is almost killed by the demon but is saved by Xander and in a tender moment wonders whether or not he still loves her and is obviously worried about her recent choice (it doesnt end that way though because Xander is really vicious over the sex with Spike thing and she ends up granting WARREN'S wish).>>
Don't have any knowldege for or against this. But we know Buffy will break up the nerd's plans. You could easily have thrown in a few accuracies because of all your accuracy that is based on learning from other sites.
The nerds are arrested for theft and murder, but Warren escapes.>>
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: The Trio do something that leads to Jonathan and Andrew getting arrested. Warren on the other hand avoids being caught and instead begins his solo career. If
Willow and Tara decide that they have been apart too long and reconcile>>
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE : After some sweet time spent together after class and a during coffee date, Willow and Tara do get back together and make with the major smoochies.
Thing is..that excert was from episode 18 spoilers from Angel X. you even misplaced what episode the reconciliation happens. A big spoiler that you got wrong
however, after willow leaves Tara in bed, a trap that Warren had lain for Buffy goes off and kills Tara while she's alone.>>
SPECULATION DEBUNKED?: See this implies some contraption or mechanism is responsible for Tara's death. There is no "Trap". Warren shoots Tara with a GUN as per Angel X.
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Episode 20
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After finding Tara dead, Willow loses it and goes to "Rack" for help in bringing Tara back to life, but there is no way>>
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: The return of (three) familiar face(s): Rack
So we knew from Angel X's website that would be returning. No surprise there. So natually everyone would assume that he meets with Willow and we all know that Tara isn't revied because Willow wouldn't go evil till she exhaustated that possibility.
But BBOVen pointed out: I haven't heard about Willow going to Rack for help. What I've heard is that Warren goes to Rack for help against Willow, and Rackk refuses.
I am sure that BBOven conferred with Angel X on that tidbit, even if oven didn't, oven has credibility and you don't have a trackrecord.
Willow decides that nothing and noone will stop her from killing Warren.>>
This is perhaps the most apparent brazen thievery...
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: No one (and as you'll see, nothing) is able to stop her.
Ed the spoiler basically used the exact same terminology to describe this paticular thing.
Buffy is worried that Dawn will get caught in the crossfire and tries to pawn her off on Spike, but she learns that he's left town.>>
FROM ANGEL X'S WEBSITE: With so much danger surrounding the gang, Buffy takes Dawn to stay with Spike, but instead encounters Clem crypt-sitting for the vampire and learns that Spike left Sunnydale for a while.
Willow goes on a rampage and ends up killing several innocent people (though Buffy and Xander both try to stop her) and ends up destroying Warren but find outs he's a decoy.>>
Willow's rampage is common knowledge and it's obvious that Buffy and Warren would try and stop their friend. So no spoilers there. The Decoy Warren was first discussed in Spoiler Thread 9 in this very forum.
Spike has his chip removed in an attempt to prove to Buffy that he can redeem himself and be good WITHOUT the use of it. But, can he?>>
FROM ANGEL'S WEBSITE: Spike wants to get the chip out to give Buffy a changed man. But I don't know whether that's is to get the chip out and prove that he can be good without it, or get the chip out and be bad.
Episode 21 is considerable harder to debunk, but remember at the time of your big spoiler post, Angel X didn't have hard info on it and she is credible and has access to the flow of information.
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Buffy tries to stop Willow, but she has literally gone insane with power. >>
Again, nothing new.
Things in Sunnydale really begin to resemble hell on earth and Spike returns>>
Spike returns to Sunnydale? wow, what a shocking spoiler. Things are bad in Sunnydale when Willow goes on rampage? wow another huge spoiler.
BAD bent on killing Buffy for "castrating" him.>>
The castration theory has been widely disscussed here and on spoilerslayer as a reason why Willow would be mad at Buffy again, nothing new.
Buffy calls Giles, desperate for help with Willow and the Warren situation and he agrees to come back.>>
Giles has been spoiled (not necessarily correctly) to return for the final two eps way before you posted these. And It's obvious a possible motivation for his return would be Baddie Willow. Again, nothing new and that could easily be speculation based on the evidence refrenced.
Willow finds the real Warren and tortures him to the point he wishes he were dead.
You also said.. There is a big Warren death scene in 20, but its not Warren. Wait and see>>
Robot Warren dies (probably on a bus) in episod 20. You probably thought you were cool for hinting at something everyone knew already that a decoy would parish. But as Angel X puts it "Warren doesn't survive ep 20." He (REAL Warren) dies in the par like every confirmed reliable source says. If you don't even know which ep the Real Warren dies (A GIGANTIC SPOILER), how can you have any credibility.
From here on in, I can't attack anything with actual info. I will instead use logic...again. First, at the time of your big spoiler post, Angel X has no info on these episodes. why would you? second these episodes weren't even filming yet (at the time of your post), so its doubtful that you got info through call sheets or location report and I would speculate the script for 22 wasn't done yet at that time.
Now my theory is that you went to the trouble of rewording all the spoilers and mixing them with your own speculation, so you would appear credibile when posting the following episodes, but it reads like fanboy speculation and bad speculation to boot. It's the exact same scenario as the wish, right down to anya's pendant (what pendant anyway?) being broken....
Spike goes after Buffy thru the one person he can, DAWN, and vamps her.
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Episode 21 (you meant 22)
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Giles arrives and finds everything has gone to Hell. Willow's powers cause her to go supernova blowing out half the town, but she warns Buffy in time for her and giles to get far enough away.
Buffy learns of what happened with Spike vows to kill Spike, but begs Giles to deal with Dawn because she cant. Buffy confronts Spike. Giles dusts Dawn. Giles arrives during the battle between Buffy and Spike and ends up getting his neck broken, Buffy is mortally wounded but kills Spike. Xander lays bleeding to death as Anya goades him saying that all this happened because of him and Xander (who doesnt know that she accepted the Vengence Demon offer) sees what happened and that she's the cause of it all when she reverts to her true self. He tells her that he loves her, that she isnt a demon no matter what she looks like and dies. Anya destroys her pendant and the world shifts.>>

Again, this scene reeks of fanfic or Wish ripoff and all your other spoilers appear to be stolen and reworded from Angel X. Angel X has the trust of 90% of the posters here and she completely disavowed your spoilers to the extent of actually removing posts that contain them from her message board. BBoven, another reliable poster, has openly pointed out things you got wrong. That should be enough for everyone

P.S. I am sorry for this long post. But ir is spoiler related and I would have gladly emailed Ed, but he doesn't provide any means to reach him personally.

P.S. Saw Kissing Jessica Stein today. Very funny. Very spot on. Not sure I liked how it handled some things, but it made me laugh.

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[VampNo1]

I keep going back to the fact that it seems everyone knows that Tara will be the BSD and that Willow will turn evil for revenge. Lets face it Aint It Cool News has been singing from the rooftops that Willow we be the big bad this season since this past summer, which makes me suspicous. We know Joss knows about the Aint It Cool News website, and was unhappy when early spoilers were leaked about the show. With this in mind, I think Joss gave those viewers their wishes for Tara to die and for Willow to turn bad, but while everyone is so focused on these spoilers the true plot twist can be easily overlooked. Meaning, he gives those viewers what they want to see, but in the end takes it all back with a clever plot twist know one was expecting. If these spoilers were the main plot twist I am pretty sure we wouldn't know about it this soon before the actual episodes air, but it would be rather out of the blue type of deal. So therefore, I will give Joss credit for distracting me enough to not see the big surprise, and hope in the end said surprise will be worth all this anguish we as viewers had to put up with this season.

[The Big I-T]

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Originally posted by maudmac:
I want to know, but I don't. I'm going to be watching this thread through my fingers.

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hehe...that's the spirit...

On the bright side, this is exactly the place you want to be if being surrounded by friends who are all pulling in the same direction and for the same outcome offers you any comfort at all...

Given all the plausible positive speculation abounding here, this is practically Ms. Psycho Pep Squad Central. Plus, you just gotta love the self-assuredness of Ed the Spoiler and his prognostications... At the very least, he's got us digging deeper for elusive clues...

Hang in there, maudmac...

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[Dice]

I was reading this thread, watching FX, and seeing an overlooked ep involving reality definition: "Nightmare" from s1. Each character's nightmares become increasingly vivid through the "spirit force" of a child in a coma. The events are reversed when the scoobs convince the child to confront his own nightmare. My point is that the overlapping crises a)become worse and worse, with Buffy finally buried alive and arising vamped; b) are not imaginary; and c) are resolved by a form of "reset." The ep is not considered a major one by hardcore fans, but it does throw out a straw to grasp when we all need one: to wit, Joss HAS altered reality in the "mainstream" Buffyverse.

[Ed The Spoiler]

gf2020 -

sigh! Out of courtesy, I read thru that entire post, and while I could respond, at this point it would just lead to more accusations and insults thrown around. I think I will just continue to do what I've been doing and wait and let you see what happens.

Despite what you think, I'm not here to create arguements or cause problems for you guys. You have every right to think what you think, but out of general politeness I'd expect you to word it in a way that doesnt insult anyone until you've seen what happens for yourself. After that, if I'm proven wrong, insult away!

Ed