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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby tyche » Fri Feb 08, 2002 6:28 am

Long review from http://www.allpop.com/ , which I'm posting mainly b/c it's positive about Tara:
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Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 12

WARNING: SPOILERS

Guess what, everyone? This week's episode didn't stink! As a matter of fact, I must say I'm impressed.

The latest instalment of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" was dark, dark, dark, with a refreshing absence of dumb reminders such as "will Anya and Xander get married or not?", and only adash of the whole "Willow is still battling a magic addiction". We could have done with a bit less of "Dawn is annoying and whiny and how the hell old is she anyway? Six? Geez, grow up immediately please!". (Dear Michelle Trachtenberg: Don't worry, we don't hate you. You're very talented. However, the whining must go. Throw a tantrum next time they give you a whiny script or something. Sincerely, those "Buffy" fans who are tired of whining.)

Annnnnyway, it was a good episode. I've fallen back in love with "Buffy", and that stupid Double Meat Palace episode is but a figment of my imagination.

We open with certain ... noises that insinuate two people are engaging in a certain ... activity.

We see Buffy and Spike curled up on his floor and wrapped in a rug (they have no clothes on underneath). Buffy comments on the pretty rug, tells Spike he made his home look nice, and chats a bit about how she needs to give her own bedroom a makeover because her New Kids On The Block posters are "starting to date me". Funny.

As Buffy Marthas on, Spike realizes with shock that the two are actually engaged in a conversation and that Buffy didn't punch him and sprint off the moment the deed was done, like she usually does.

Then, of course, Spike kind of ruins everything by reminding Buffy of how she came back from the dead a bit different (because he can hurt her even with that stupid chip implanted in his brain) and how she's an animal and such. This makes Buffy very cross.

Then, of course, this leads to yet another "where is this relationship going" conversation (for a really, really old vampire, Spike sure is clingy. Sometimes he sounds like he's read too many Cosmo quizzes).

"Do you even like me?," Spike sighs.

"Sometimes," answers Buffy. (I love you Spike! Sorry.)

Then there's some handcuff action (ewwww) insinuated ... and over to the geek trio.

The three geeks -- who I used to like then thought were annoying and then, by the end of this episode, found them interesting again in a disturbing kind of way -- are working on a gadget that will make any woman their sex slave.

"And I know just where to start," cackles Warren, the geek leader who is also nastier than the other two.


Annnnd credits. (Man that was a long opening sequence).

Oh no! Double Meat Palace episode flashback, because we return from commercials to find Buffy wearing her ugly fast-food outfit and saying: "Double Meat is double sweet." Gross.

YAY! Tara's back! Buffy takes a break and goes to chat with her best friend's witchy ex-girlfriend. Tara assumes Buffy wants to talk to her about Willow and her magic addiction, but nope. Buffy wants Tara to research the spell that brought her back to life because she thinks she "came back wrong". (Guess what, everyone! "Came back wrong" is the new "Angel is my soul mate" in terms of frequency of usage and such.)

Tara promises to look into it, even though she doesn't think there's anything wrong with Buffy at all.

Meanwhile, the geeks are preparing to use their new "sex slave" gadget for the first time. Warren (the bad geek) is all fancied up in a suit and looks for the perfect victim and finds her in his ex-girlfriend (Catrina, I think?), who broke up with him after the whole robot girlfriend incident which eventually morphed itself into the Buffybot storyline.

Warren's ex is less than thrilled to see him, but he puts on these stupid glasses and the shiny metal ball in his hand goes all wonky and -- bingo -- she's hooked.

"I love you, master," she says.

Back at Buffy's house, Buffy comes home from work to find Xander and Dawn dancing while Anya and Willow watch.

"Are we singing again?" screeches Buffy. (Funny allusion to the musical episode, which will live on in our hearts forever).

No musical episode, though. Xander is just practising his dancing skills for the wedding.

Willow, Xander and Anya are planning to make their way to the Bronze and invite Buffy, who's pooped from all the fast-food activity and says she just wants to stay home and hang out with Dawn.

But little Dawn has other plans and is going to sleep over at a friend's house. At first, Buffy is suspicious due to the Halloween episode when Dawn used that line and ended up making out in a parked car with a vampire. But, Willow checked and Dawn is, indeed, sleeping over and there will be parents present.

Buffy looks a bit hurt, so it's Dawn's time to shine, sorry, I mean WHINE.

"You're never home anyway," Dawn huffs. (Okay, Dawn, we get it. She's not spending enough time with you. Please cut it out now.)

Dawn leaves, and a depressed Buffy agrees to go to the Bronze with her pals.

Back at the Geeks' place (oh, and they've moved since the invisibility episode so as to hide from Buffy), the losers are getting all excited about having their very own sex slave. (Please note, if this episode hadn't taken a very serious turn later on, and we didn't see the geeks in a darker light, and if they'd just kept on be quip-making wacky high jinks machines, this scene and storyline would have been bad news and troublesome and would have made me very, very angry. But it did get darker and we do see that the geeks aren't the lovable dolts we thought they were and the creators don't try to make a joke out of the incident because what these boys are about to do is very, very, very bad.)


So the geeks are all fighting about whose sex slave Warren's ex-girlfriend gets to be first. (However, the other two geeks are unaware that she was his girlfriend.)

Warren gets first dibs but the spell wears off, Catrina accuses him and the other two of attempted rape (which, my dear friends, it would have been, magic spell or not) and tries to make a run for it. She and Warren scuffle, and poor Catrina ends up dead.

The geeks go into shock and panic when they find out Warren used to go out with the victim so there will be a link from her murder to the three geeks. Eventually, they decide to get rid of their two biggest problems all at once by framing Buffy for Catrina's murder. (And now, dear friends, here's where the episode gets dark and good.)

At the Bronze, Xander and Anya are dancing all fancy-like, Willow is wearing some seriously fugly clothes (an old lady blazer type thing), and Buffy looks a bit pouty.

Willow gets up to dance and Buffy wanders around the bar and goes up to the second floor.

"You see, you always end up in the dark, with me," Spike whispers from behind her and then ... parental warning time.

During Buffy and Spike's Bronze activity, he makes her watch her friends dancing and having fun down below so she can see how different her life is from theirs. He's working on making her distance herself from her pals, you see. He wants her with him, he doesn't want to share. He's sort of like one of those boyfriends from those educational videos on physical and emotional abuse in relationships they used to show during health class and high school assemblies. In short, he is bad news. (Just in case you couldn't tell from the black leather jacket, peroxide blond hair or, you know ... fangs.)

Note: Spike is very sinister in this scene, which is good. He's been a tad too cuddly lately. I'm glad the writers are reminding us that he's bad news. It makes things a bit more interesting. I still love him, though.

The next day, Willow is making her way to the Magic Box to meet up with the Scoobies when she runs into Tara, who's just leaving. (Researching the spell Buffy asked her to, no doubt.) There's some awkward conversation between the two and we feel sad for Willow.

As Tara leaves she tells Willow to tell Buffy she needs to talk to her and that "it's important", da-da-dum-dum.

That night, Buffy is patrolling and finds herself at Spike's door. There's a very soap opera-y shot of him mooning on one side of the door and her looking uncertain on the other side. When Spike finally opens it up though, she's gone.

"Don't think about the evil bloodsucking fiend," Buffy says to herself as she walks away. "Focus on anything but the evil bloodsucking fiend."

Just then, Buffy hears the sound of a girl crying and is attacked by creepy looking demons. Then, time goes completely bizarre, the scene skips, then Spike is there fighting with her, then time seems to have jumped back and he doesn't seem to know there's a fight going on. Then the girl is lying on the ground and then there's more fighting, then time goes wonky again and Buffy hits the girl, who falls down a hill.


Buffy rushes down and realizes the girl (who is Catrina, by the way) is dead and Buffy freaks out, assuming she killed her. But, we see another Catrina peek at Buffy from behind a tree and run off.

Spike drags Buffy away from the body and tells her he's going to "sort it out".

Meanwhile, Warren and the other geek (Andrew, I think) are waiting in the van, and Catrina (or is it?) jumps in and morphs back into the third geek (Jonathan, I think). So he conjured up the demons, made himself look like Catrina, made Buffy hit him, and then fell down the hill but the real, dead Catrina was already down there, so he could run off and let Buffy think she was the murderer.

That night, Buffy has bizarre dreams that involve the dead girl, staking Spike and doing other things with Spike. She wakes up, gets dressed and goes into Dawn's room.

Buffy wakes Dawn up and tells her she loves her. Dawn understandably gets suspicious. Buffy explained that she hurt someone and is turning herself in. Dawn gets huffy and says Buffy wants to leave her and yells at her to go. (Actually, there was way, way more whining than that, but why dwell on the annoying?)

Just before Buffy walks into the police station, Spike jumps out and tries to stop her. He says he took care of it and that "no one will ever find her". Just then, two police officers run out of the building saying there's a body in the river. So much for that plan, Spike.

Spike tells Buffy he loves her, she punches him. Then, he turns all vampy and she beats him up and screams that there is "nothing good or clean inside you". He loses his vamp face but Buffy keeps on punching him. It's sad. I feel sad for Spike even though he's bad. I also feel sad for Buffy, who doesn't want to have feelings for Spike. Buffy stops, looks at his swollen face and starts crying.

Finally, she gets up and walks into the police station, but while she's there, she overhears the name of the victim and connects Catrina to Warren and quickly flees.

The next morning, Buffy and the Scoobies have gathered at the Magic Box. Anya explains that the demons Buffy saw mess with time and Dawn asks Buffy if she's not leaving then and Buffy says no and tries to comfort her but of course Dawn whines off somewhere.

At the geek abode, the geeks are checking on the police files via their computer and discover that Catrina's death is being considered a suicide. The geeks realize they're "getting away with murder" and are thrilled (except for the little one who morphed into Catrina. I suspect he may turn against the other two). It's funny (funny creepy not funny 'ha ha') how in one episode the geeks went from mildly amusing/annoying comic-book style villains to sinister, nasty people.

Back at Buffy's house, Tara is explaining to the slayer that she didn't "Come back wrong". There were a few, minor molecular changes to her physical make-up or something, which Tara presumes confused Spike's chip enough to allow him to attack her.

But this doesn't make Buffy happy. She starts sobbing in fact. (You see, she needs an excuse for her bizarre behaviour. If she had in fact, "Come back wrong", then it wouldn't really be her interacting with Spike or it wouldn't really be her fault.)

Buffy confesses to Tara about her relationship with Spike, and Tara tries to comfort her. Buffy begs Tara not to forgive her, she wants to feel guilty. She cries some more.

The End.

Overall: Gooooood stuff. Melodramatic, dark and sinister and emotionally layered. There was way more going on here than some simply staking and a couple of quips. Dawn was annoying, but hopefully that will end SOMEDAY. Four stakes out of five.


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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Italiangirl » Fri Feb 08, 2002 8:53 am

Okay.

I've been reading everyone's comments. Tyche- thanks for posting the review, it was fab. It was also very down with Doublemeat Palace (yay!) and down with "Buffy came back WRONG" which I also have to give the big Yay! too.

Here's the thing. I LOOOOOVED Dead Things. It was interesting and compelling and had several really great plot advancements. I think it was among the best episodes of this season. I'm gushing. This is me gushing. *grin*

BUT, the more I think about the more I really can't get behind the somewhat flimsy explanation for the phenomenon that is "Coming Back Wrong." I know it is very Joss-like to build us up for one big possiblity and then have the reality be much more simple and low-key than what we were expecting (I.E. Tara's past) but I'm having difficulty suspending my disbelief here.

Her molecular structure is scrambled? What is that about? So Buffy is different...but not different enough to have lasting effects...but different enough for Spike's all-seeing, all-knowing omniscient chip to detect...but again not different enough to be called "Wrong." Too many questions here. I want the rocket scientist explanation, not the Dick and Jane version. And besides, how cute would it have been if, at the end when Buffy says something has to be wrong with her, Tara says something like: "Actually, Buffy, as you can see evidenced here in figure 5.1..." and reaches behind her to pull out a series of charts, pie graphs and illustrations, complete with pointer and brainy horn rimmed glasses. Hee hee. Okay, it would have detracted from that particular scene, but you get my drift. And I bet Tara would look really cute in horn rimmed glasses. Anyway, I'm just not satisfied with the explanation we got. It kind of seems like a cop out. I don't think Buffy has to be "Wrong" but I do think we need a more specific set of facts.

Whew! Okay, here is my other big thought. I know all of you fans of the Doublemeat Palace are going to kick my ass for this one, but I am SO NOT HAPPY with the fact that Buffy is working in a crappy little fast food dive.

When she was in college, she actually did very well. Remember back in Maggie Walsh's class when Willow pauses and points out that she is academically jealous of Buffy and what a big deal that is? And again, when Willow points out how fantastic it is that they were having a debate about schoolwork as they discussed the Hunchback of Notre Dame? She is smart, and witty, and sharp as a tack. In my mind, there is no reason why she can't go back to UC Sunnydale. The show is basing this decision not to on ONE BAD DAY she had there, which was her first day back, which went badly only because she was being manipulated by the troika. I don't think every day after that would be so bad. I don't think she is not capable of getting a college education. I could see her deciding to take the semester off in light of the whole dying-and-then-coming-back-with-PTSD thing. Dawn and Xander talked in DMP and Dawn made the comment that she could still grow up and be whatever she wanted, but this was it for Buffy. Honestly, I don't think the show should be writing her off like that.

Also, let me take a moment here and say that I am not trying to say people who do spend their lives in that career field are lesser or less intelligent, I'm just saying Buffy has way more potential than that. She needs to be doing something that challenges her and sparks her mind and body. I could even see her having a dojo and teaching martial arts. Come on...what color is her parachute? *grin* Really, I just hate seeing her so unhappy with work. I don't think it has to be that way.

There. Done ranting. Had to get that off my chest.

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"You're in my blood like Holy Wine
You taste so bitter, and so sweet
Darling, I could drink a case of you
And still be on my feet;
I would still be on my feet."
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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby AutumnT » Fri Feb 08, 2002 9:34 am

I know. I'm over the fast food thing too. But Buffy's doing a lot of things that are "beneath her" these days if you catch my drift. Personally with all the allusions to fire and even Buffy's reference to it in "Restless" I'd always hoped she'd get some sort of a job like a firefighter. Seems a little more rewarding than "Would you like fries with that?"

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I'm just taking stuff and not paying for it. In what twisted dictionary is that stealing?

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby WiccanBex » Fri Feb 08, 2002 12:44 pm

very cool episode! i loved the way she confessed all to tara. she can't tell the others but she totally broke down to tara.

also, glad to see tara back for a bit - i missed tara.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby lesbianinmaine » Fri Feb 08, 2002 2:12 pm

'kay, need a little help here kitties. I was watching DT for about the fourth time the other night, and was pausing on Tara's scene at the DMP-just 'cause, you know, she's kinda hot! As she is saying the line, "you think it's you", the close up of her is weird. The left eye is looking at Buffy, the right eye is looking away. If I look at the frame and ignore the context, it looks like she is making a silly face on purpose.
Did anyone else notice this? I *know* I'm not the only one who pauses the tape to gaze upon beautiful TaraFace.
Now, I also thought Buffy was shot strangely in the opening scene with Spike, so I could be just a major weirdo :-)
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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby tommo » Sat Feb 09, 2002 9:22 am

I've just watched this ep today. Finally. Heh.

Have to say, not loving the depressing theme right now. And I almost burst into tears during the W/T scene. So much in there that's unresolved, and Tara's little quirky smile is adorable, as always. Poor Willow; she looked so wisful. Alyson does that look so well...

Sigh.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Scout » Sat Feb 09, 2002 10:19 am

You know, one thing that's always struck be about Buffy is that she has never seemed very keen on college - certainly not as much as Willow. In the 'Freshman,' we learn that she has put off choosing her classes until the very last minute and then she only wants to take the easiest courses. In 'Crush,' we find out that she hasn't read the book that was assigned, but instead she just rented the movie. In 'Life Serial,' we see that she gets easily flustered by the class discussion and wants to revert to more non-challenging classes like 'Introduction to Pies,' and 'Advanced Walking.'

It reminds me of when I was in college orientation and they told us to look to the left and then to the right, and one of you won't be there in six months. Buffy would be the one I'd pick to bail after six months. I just don't think she ever had the motivation necessary to finish college, even if life presented her with fewer difficulties. Yes, she's smart, but not every smart person was meant for college life.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Epicurus » Sat Feb 09, 2002 10:35 am

The official UPN Buffy site has a run down of "Dead Thing" up in the 'Watcher's Guide' section. It says:

At the Magic Box, Tara and Willow have to fight temptations to perform their own kind of magic.

As kooky as their episode descriptions can be sometimes, I thought that line was rather sweet.


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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Kirk B » Sat Feb 09, 2002 10:59 am

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Originally posted by Italiangirl:
In my mind, there is no reason why she can't go back to UC Sunnydale. The show is basing this decision not to on ONE BAD DAY she had there, which was her first day back, which went badly only because she was being manipulated by the troika. I don't think every day after that would be so bad. I don't think she is not capable of getting a college education. I could see her deciding to take the semester off in light of the whole dying-and-then-coming-back-with-PTSD thing. Dawn and Xander talked in DMP and Dawn made the comment that she could still grow up and be whatever she wanted, but this was it for Buffy. Honestly, I don't think the show should be writing her off like that.


I'm not entirely sure that's true.
There IS a legitimate reason, a couple of them in fact, that Buffy is working at the DMP, as much as she hates it, and why she is not going back to school.

She is working at the DMP because she needs the money. She needs the money NOW, and she doesn't want to wait all the time would be needed to go through an application and training period. A fast food place is perfect for that.
Money is the very reason she cannot go back to school, right now. As it is she can barely afford food, and keeping the house going (I don't know how she is doing THAT, since she is the only one in the household who is actually working, and you don't make much money at a fast food place, believe me I know). She couldn't afford the tuition.
I know, some of you are probably saying 'scholarship' or 'grant' right about now. She's certainly smart enough. But it would take time and effort to search for one that applies to her situation, and what with raising Dawn and slaying, she doesn't have a whole lot of extra time on her hands.

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Hear that baby? You're my always.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby tommo » Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:52 am

That's true Scout, but I can't help being reminded of the time when Professor Walsh wanted Buffy to lead a discussion in class because her paper was so good. And I think Buffy sometimes hits on that without even trying. Makes you wonder what she could be like if she applied herself.

Ack, I'm talking like a teacher.

Perhaps Buffy's smarts lie in her ability to work things out. Has anyone noticed that she's more keen to start or solving problems now Giles is gone? It occurred to me in Doublemeat Palace. And hey, wasn't that just like the crappest episode I've seen in ages? Bleh.

So, I can hardly bear to watch that scene between Willow and Tara. Something about the way Tara smiles at Willow is just so...it's so lovely. Dammit. I'm all wistful and gooey eyed. I watched the musical ep again and ugh, that whole spell discovery was harsh. I can't take much more of this; I can't.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby fell » Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:56 am

When this ep started and Buffy was still working at DP, I too was astonished.

I completely agree with all those who are dismayed to see Buffy working at what is, in fact, the absolute bottom rung for jobs. It's one step up from collecting aluminum cans from the garbage. It's a minimum legal wage job that stays minimum for a LONG time, precisely because it requires absolutely no skill or experience. Dawn could get that job. It only makes sense in the context of Buffy punishing herself.

The excuse of "I need money now" is bogus- true, that place would hire her on the spot, but so would waitressing which would pay 2 or 3 times as much. Even working the counter at the Expresso Pump would pay more and be a lot less of a grind than fast food. Buffy's very intelligent (remember SAT's?) and speaks, dresses and relates well. She could get a job just about anywhere, one that doesn't involve wearing a paper hat.

Since there's no real reason for it beyond masochism, why haven't her friends gotten on her case about this crappy job? Both Xander and Anya have way better jobs than Buffy, and Xander barely graduated high school. I can buy it as a sort of penance or self-flagellation, like her thing with Spike, but if that's what it's about why are they not making that clear?

The notion of her happily ringing up happy meals while her friends look on approvingly is preposterous. I think the writers are way out on a limb with this and not doing a good job of selling it.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby AutumnT » Sat Feb 09, 2002 12:05 pm

Good comments Fell, I agree that a possible motive is that it is yet another way to punish herself. I mean she whines about retail in "Life Serial" and yet thinks flipping burgers is a better choice? Right. That's not a job that makes house payments. She'd be better off doing something like working for UPS where she could easily handle the heavy lifting.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby MadeinNZ » Sat Feb 09, 2002 7:47 pm

Couple of observations from a Board newbie:

Willow and Tara -loved the scene outside The Magic Box. It just screamed - "I still love you". You just want them to get a hurryup though. Couldn't one of them say - "hey you're looking good, mind if a run over there and plant some smoochies on you?" I don't think its too much to ask.

Spike and Buffy - I love Spike but I like him the best when he is at his worst. I'm not liking the "I love you Buffy and I've changed" Spike. I think I prefer the "don't close your eyes - don't you love being able to get away with this" Spike. Dead Things reminded us that he is not another Angel.

The other side of this is that I am developing a genuine dislike for Buffy (and I don't want to). The scene where she beats Spike to a bloody pulp (even without his vamp face) - very disturbing. This is a very dark and abusive relationship and she is as much an abuser as an abusee. Everytime these two have a scene together I feel the need to take a shower (and not in a good way).

We are not in Kansas (or Sunnydale High) anymore - but I guess that's the point.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby mucifer » Sat Feb 09, 2002 10:24 pm

one interesting thing i havent seen anyone mention in the buffy beating up spike scene is that not only is spike not monsterfaced but, he never lifts up his hands even in self defense physically or verbally. and he really didnt seem to be getting off on the pain in that scene. it was very creepy and very well done.
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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby The Rose » Sat Feb 09, 2002 10:33 pm

Buffy is stronger than Spike, and he can not do much anyway when Buffy is very angry.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Moonchild » Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:00 pm

I, too, have been thinking about Buffy's career options. I have come to a few conclusions that make me feel better about the show's continuity and keep me from going insane thinking where all of the money is coming from. As we all know, keeping a house and maintaining a decent lifestyle would require more money than Buffy is making at Doublemeat P., even if she works double shifts. I have decided that although most of the liquid assets Joyce left are gone, the house is actually paid off, so there is no need for a house payment, but the usual utilities and food bills, etc. have to be paid. Buffy couldn't sell the house because the resale values in Sunnydale aren't good (for obvious reasons). Having said that, I have wondered many times if Willow's parents are paying for her college or she got a mega-scholarship, since she doesn't have a job, and I figure Tara must have a great scholarship or something because we know that her family isn't paying for anything for her. As for Buffy, I think she should find a way, even if it means borrowing from Giles again, to take the time to go into the police force. She can obviously do the job and it would open up new ways for her to get access to information, and she would be paid for her patrols for a change. She could work the night shift and do her patrols (which she would have to do anyway) and she would have more time for Dawn and would also have money. I know other people have mentioned this as a solution and also that she could work as a bodyguard. Maybe it's too obvious a solution, but it would be great if they would write it in. I just don't think the whole fast food thing is plausible in any way for a high school graduate with some college credit, because she could work at Walmart and make more money.
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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Shaniezak » Sun Feb 10, 2002 3:31 am

As a friend of mine pointed out, Buffy's job at the DMP is analogous with her job as the Slayer--the hours suck, the pay is minimal, the work is thankless yet so many people enjoy (to some degree) the results, and she comes home dirty and greasy and smelling funny.

When I think of her day job and her night job put together, I really feel for the poor girl . . .

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Carrie » Sun Feb 10, 2002 3:49 pm

The shooting script is up at Psyche's.

Tara's cut line was:
TARA
(smiling kindly)
Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there

I was disappointed when I saw the episode that Tara's line was omitted. But now I've seen it, I'm kinda glad for the cut, actually.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby AutumnT » Sun Feb 10, 2002 3:50 pm

We've been discussing this in another thread. Let's just say that was not in any way shape or form the wording I was expecting.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Dazey » Sun Feb 10, 2002 3:58 pm

Well I've finally managed to read through all the posts in this thread and there is some truly great discussion going on about a great ep, and I cannot participate in it because all I can think about when I think about this ep is Taraknees. Yummy yum yum yum YUM. And now thanks to Italiangirl also the image of Tara in horn-rimmed glasses with charts and a pointer...oh god. I need help.

It's like that Seinfeld ep where his brain was playing chess with his penis...I feel like I'm sitting across the table from a big cootch and I'm in serious danger of being checkmated. Really I must get a grip, I'm an intelligent girl, I have things to say....

Spike bad, Tara pretty.

Oh well.

Dazey
 


Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Carrie » Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:06 pm

Thanks Autumn, I completely forgot about the shooting script thread. I think my brain is absent today .

Edited - to actually make sense.

[This message has been edited by Carrie (edited February 10, 2002).]

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Wiccagrrl » Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:07 pm

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Originally posted by AutumnT:
We've been discussing this in another thread. Let's just say that was not in any way shape or form the wording I was expecting.


Yeah, to say the least

The shooting script also seems to make it clear that Tara is *not* blowing Willow off at the end of their meeting. (There's much to say, but it's too soon, so she settles for an encouraging smile)It also confirms the reading of the Willow missing Buffy and Tara saying I'm sure she feels the same way as them talking about each other. (I think it says Tara knows Willow's really talking about her)

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby AutumnT » Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:12 pm

Funny thing is I did not need the shooting script to make that last bit clear as the actresses played it letter perfectly. Then again what else is new.

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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby tommo » Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:18 pm

See, now I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation...

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Wiccagrrl » Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:18 pm

Oh, I agree, Autumn. It was very clear to me, too. It was kind of cool to see it in the script, though.

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Hear that Baby? You're my always.

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Lijdrec » Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:19 pm


Well, better late than never, I have just viewed DT - twice.

And yes, it is everything that an ep of Buffy should be, especially for Buffy and Willow & Tara. Great to see Tara in three pivotal scenes. The W/T dance outside the Magic Box was perfectly scripted for a couple transitioning back from the brink.

After reading this thread there was one one Tara moment that I was suprised to find was not mentioned. That was the glance/look that was exchanged between Tara and Xander in the presence of Willow outside of the Magic Box. That brief look spoke wordlessly between the two of them. It was one of friendship and concern from Xander. He was telling Tara that Willow was still hers, that the time for reconciliaton might be near. Tara seemed to be acknowledging the friendship (the Scooby-status) that Xander was offering, and hopefully she would accept the tentative openings that Willow herself would later hesitatingly offer.

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Lynn.....

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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Thanatopsis » Mon Feb 18, 2002 12:16 am

I know lots of people wanted to know what song is playing when Spike and Buffy are on
opposite sides of the door of his crypt.
I skimmed the thread and I didn't see any info on it, so if I missed it, I apologize.
Over at Buffyguide.com it says:

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Note: I've received loads of emails inquiring about the song playing when Spike and Buffy are on opposite sides of the door of his crypt, so here's some info: the song is called "Out Of This World," by the band Bush. It's available for purchase at Amazon.com on the CD Golden State.


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Kind of an unusual name. There's hardly any except Warren Beatty and, you know, President Harding. It's probably not either of them.
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Love is like a dead fish: That may sound unromantic, but no one has disagreed with me yet.
-Jim Hibbeler
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Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby J* » Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:30 am

Sorry if this has already been asked but I went through the discussion thread for this episode and really didn't see this addressed. Obviously there's a spoiler ahead if you haven't seen this ep yet.
Tara asks Buffy if she loves Spike but gets no answer. Tara then says that "it's okay if you don't". And this has been bugging me because it seems way out of character for Tara.

Did she just blurt this out to comfort Buffy or does Tara really think it's okay for Buffy to use Spike because he's only a "dead thing"?

J*
 


Discussion – S6E13 – “Dead Things”

Postby Pixie* » Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:31 am

I interpreted this to mean that Tara didn't want Buffy to think she (Tara) was being judgemental in any way. She asked the question because if Buffy loves Spike it's an important thing to get in the open. But that Tara won't think any less of her no matter what she feels, or doesn't feel, for Spike.

*reposted by WillTara

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