General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 11

[The Partyman]

S'okay.

Again, let me point out that I'm not saying you are bogus I'd clearly state "Ed is Bogus!" in that case!), just re-itterating statements by others.

I certainly won't complain if you are telling the truth, as despite the silly contrivance of it all, it would mean that Willow and Tara are okay.

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The Partyman

[MAJIK]

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Originally posted by Lonewolf:
Guys I wanted to ask you a question, on page 6 Cici posted a link to the Buffy official site on the FAQ page and it said that Amber has a contract for 16-18 episodes this season and that she just signed a new contract for next season. I just wanted to know how accurate that is and if it is true being that it is the official site.

I posted this in the last thread, here's the link: ./004850-30.html
This information has been confirmed as fact many times at The Bronze, located at the official UPN Buffy website.

Lonewolf[/B]

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WILLOW-
'So hard to believe such a hot mama yama came from humble geek-infested roots.'quote:

[Dr.G]

Ed when you learn more, I'd greatly appreciate you telling us. We can choose to believe you or not. Right now I like to believe you, yours and AngelX' spoilers may not fit a 100%, but you have stated yourself your source is not script, so I don't know if interpreting has been going on from you or your source. The general outline does seem plausible to me.

I do have one question that you have not really answered, it is about the contradiction Autumn referred to in the last thread and Partyman in this. Your first post on our board was this:

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March 08, 2002 12:01

Anya overhears a conversation
between Buffy and Xander which
makes her believe that the
reason that Xander didnt marry
her is because he loves Buffy
and that Buffy and Xander have
been having sex. This causes
Anya to eventually accept
D'Hoffryn's offer to return to
being a vengence demon but
with the condition that if her gem
goes, so does she. He doesnt
want the same thing to happen
again just because she
changes her mind.
Anyanka finds the Troika, and
offers Adam a wish to get
revenge on Buffy causing a huge
showdown, but Jonathon
defects at the last second and
saves her.
Willow and Tara slowly get back
together. Tara tries to protect
Xander with a spell, but it fails,
So Willow casts it, and although
it works, it causes some serious
problems for the Scoobs.
Willow wonders if she can
control herself enough to not
slip again and realizes that she
can by trusting Tara.
The cliffhanger this season
involves Anya, after being
successful in dessimating the
scoobs, confronting a dying
Xander who tells her that he
loves her and that she is not
Anyanka no matter what she
looks like. Anya sacrafices
herself to save him and the
scoobs by crushing her
necklace.

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then there have been a few others:

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March 12, 2002 17:44

Wait and you will see that:

1) Tara does not die
2) She gets back together with Willow
after having a fairly short emotional
conversation about love/trust.
3) Things get SERIOUSLY f*cked for the
scoobs in the last 2 episodes with
SEVERAL of them "dying"
4) They all live to Season 7 after Anya
sacrafices herself to save Xander.

March 12, 2002 18:01

SG -
Honestly, I don't know if Anya dies... Its the big cliffhanger at the end of the season, but I will say take a WILD stab in the dark and say that she won't be back for season 7.... a recent interview featured Caulfield eluding to the fact that acting was not her first love and that she was meant for other things in life and indicating that she had asked Whedon for a couple of months notice if they killed off her character, and that no character on the show was indespensible.
I'd suggest you follow your instincts on this one and you'll all know soon enough.

March 18, 2002 12:45

Sorry that I havent been keeping up with the Board, I was out of town for a few days on business.
In regards to the question about timelines, here is a quick summary by episode:

Episode 18
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Xander discovers a camera and has a run in with Spike. Buffy defends him and this causes spike to demand that Buffy tell everyone about them. Anya ends up going to spike who's the only person she knows who "hates" xander, gets drunk and does sleep with him. he gang sees it, and Xander mentions breaking up with her over it. Anya decides to return to being a vengence demon again after egged on by Halfrek and D'Hoffryn, but there is a big condition attached to it. The nerds discuss and begin their plan to kill Buffy (much to the horror of Jonathon). The scoobs (including dawn) end up learning about Buffy's affair with spike and it leads to a huge arguement.
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Episode 19
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Buffy breaks up the nerds plans and they summon a demon to try to distract her. Anya is almost killed by the demon but is saved by Xander and in a tender moment wonders whether or not he still loves her and is obviously worried about her recent choice (it doesnt end that way though because Xander is really vicious over the sex with Spike thing and she ends up granting WARREN'S wish). The nerds are arrested for theft and murder, but Warren escapes. Willow and Tara decide that they have been apart too long and reconcile, however, after willow leaves Tara in bed, a trap that Warren had lain for Buffy goes off and kills Tara while she's alone.
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Episode 20
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After finding Tara dead, Willow loses it and goes to "Rack" for help in bringing Tara back to life, but there is no way and Willow decides that nothing and noone will stop her from killing Warren. Buffy is worried that Dawn will get caught in the crossfire and tries to pawn her off on Spike, but she learns that he's left town. Willow goes on a rampage and ends up killing several innocent people (though Buffy and Xander both try to stop her) and ends up destroying Warren but find outs he's a decoy. Spike has his chip removed in an attempt to prove to Buffy that he can redeem himself and be good WITHOUT the use of it. But, can he?
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Episode 21
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Buffy tries to stop Willow, but she has literally gone insane with power.
Things in Sunnydale really begin to resemble hell on earth and Spike returns
BAD bent on killing Buffy for "castrating" him. Buffy calls Giles, desperate for help with Willow and the Warren situation and he agrees to come back.
Willow finds the real Warren and tortures him to the point he wishes he were dead. Spike goes after Buffy thru the one person he can, DAWN, and vamps her.
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Episode 21
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Giles arrives and finds everything has gone to Hell. Willow's powers cause her to go supernova blowing out half the town, but she warns Buffy in time for her and giles to get far enough away.
Buffy learns of what happened with Spike vows to kill Spike, but begs Giles to deal with Dawn because she cant. Buffy confronts Spike. Giles dusts Dawn. Giles arrives during the battle between Buffy and Spike and ends up getting his neck broken, Buffy is mortally wounded but kills Spike. Xander lays bleeding to death as Anya goades him saying that all this happened because of him and Xander (who doesnt know that she accepted the Vengence Demon offer) sees what happened and that she's the cause of it all when she reverts to her true self. He tells her that he loves her, that she isnt a demon no matter what she looks like and dies. Anya destroys her pendant and the world shifts

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You have made other posts, but these are the most important ones I think. I am not trying to debunk your info, as I am inclined to believe there is a fair element of truth to what you say, even if it may not be completely accurate. But your first post (you posted as "spoiler" then) does have some conflicting info, it does not mention anything baout Tara dying for instance. I am curious is that because the info you had was old, did they change the script? Without revealing your source can you elaborate a bit on the changes please?

*editing: ah please do not shut up, uhm, I really like to know as much as you are willing to share. If the mods want you to shut up we'll say so.

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[Ed The Spoiler]

Partyman -

You've been downright nice in your criticisms. haha

Other people clearly want me to shut the hell up, maybe for their own motivations.... who knows. I'd assert that I'm entitled like all of you to post my thoughts (and beliefs) and to do so in a polite manner. I choose not to debate this because, clearly, people are taking it personally.

We're here to have fun, guys and enjoy the diverseness of each other.

Ed

[Morphine]

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Originally posted by Ed The Spoiler:
gf2020 -

sigh! Out of courtesy, I read thru that entire post, and while I could respond, at this point it would just lead to more accusations and insults thrown around. I think I will just continue to do what I've been doing and wait and let you see what happens.

Despite what you think, I'm not here to create arguements or cause problems for you guys. You have every right to think what you think, but out of general politeness I'd expect you to word it in a way that doesnt insult anyone until you've seen what happens for yourself. After that, if I'm proven wrong, insult away!

Ed

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Ed,

While I don't believe gf2020 insulted you, or accused you, I believe she expresses worries that other kittens might have about the spoilers you provided.

But you have repeated more than once the now infamous "wait and see", and I for one, feel that statement to be a tad arrogant. Arrogant enough, in fact, that I find it dicredits the information you provided. Much like Hercules' (AICN) "I warn you not to defy me", regardless of whether you're accurate or not, it leaves a strange taste in my mouth...

And whether or not it is real info you're contributing, I think you would perhaps not get the same kind of reaction from people if your wording was a bit less... constricting.

I do hope your spoilers are true. I also hope you didn't take my, gf2020 or Partyman's posts as insults but more as constructive criticism to ensure better communication in the future and avoid possible conflicts.

I wish you the best, whatever the outcome,

Morphine

Edited to add I possess no talent in expressing my opinion. I wasn't trying to offend, but to point out certain aspects of certain things that might be bothering certain people. But Ed, I'll gladly read your posts again, and I'll till hope you're right.

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[Ed The Spoiler]

DrG:

I mentioned that I wouldnt respond until after more comes out to substantiate what I've said, but because you've been pretty cool about all of this I will respond to your question regarding Tara.

Tara DOES NOT DIE because noone dies (except maybe Anya, and even Im not sure about that). What occurs in the last few episodes is like a free fall that happens because one specific thing, Anya's granting of a wish. I was asserting the fact that Tara doesnt die, because thats who everyone assumes the BSD to be. I believe (and this, my friends is pure speculation on my part) that ANYA is the BSD, but I also assert that noone will truely know that until episode 1 of season 7. (unless of course some spoilers about that episode are leaked early) ME clearly knows what they are doing here, and if any of you doubt that they havent orchastrated a grand scheme to cause people to be upset and watch the show, you haven't really paid attention to how they've dealt with past seasons. Getting you mad and upset means ratings. KEEPING you mad and upset means cancellation.

As for the part regarding Buffy and Xander, all I will say is that it was definitely GOING to be done, may STILL be done, but I doubt it. There is enough motivation for anya to go vengence without mis-hearing something between them. The point is still that she accepts D'Hoffryn's proposal.

Thats all for now, guys.... (and if you disagree with any of this, by all means feel free to say so, but noone comes on here to read a bunch of nastiness, so keep it nice).

Ed

[AutumnT]

Ed,

This is the part in your first spoilers that I am curious about since it does not seem to fit any other information we have.

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Willow and Tara slowly get back
together. Tara tries to protect
Xander with a spell, but it fails,
So Willow casts it, and although
it works, it causes some serious
problems for the Scoobs.
Willow wonders if she can
control herself enough to not
slip again and realizes that she
can by trusting Tara.

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Care to comment?

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I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.quote:

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by Ed The Spoiler:
Getting you mad and upset means ratings. KEEPING you mad and upset means cancellation.

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You raise some good points. At the moment they're still unsubstantiated good points, so I'm remaining skeptical, but good points nonetheless. I would remark, though, that in this season Mutant Enemy has been treading awfully close to the fine line between getting viewers mad and keeping them mad. Then again, Joss always has liked to push the envelope.

I think maybe I wouldn't be as upset with this whole mess if it wasn't for the fact that most of the things that are supposed to happen are things that the trolls and beazors on the net have been saying they wanted for months or even years. But then I guess this is Joss's way of giving them something and then showing them they don't really want it, right?

Here's hoping we find some useful information out in Van Nuys tonight...

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[Ed The Spoiler]

Morphine -

I tried hard not to be offended, but things like "fan boy" kind of irk me (just being honest), and did take offense to it because it went beyond saying "I dont believe you" and well into being personally critical.

I don't mean my "wait and see" comments to sound arrogant, I am simply stating that NONE of you is going to know until you know and that none of you should take what Im saying as gospel. I am sorry that you feel that I am being arrogant because that is not my intent. If it was my intent, I wouldnt go out of my way to respond to you or other people who have been critical of what I've said.

Have a good weekend!

Ed

[Scout]

Thanks for being patient with us Ed, as we try to understand and digest all the spoilers that are flying around. Throughout your posts you’ve never mentioned what the wish is…is there any chance you could give a little detail on exactly what Warren wishes for?

Just wanted to ask. Thanks again for stopping by.

[Kendahl897]

I really think Ed the Spoiler has a point. He has posted what he believes to be true. It is up to us whether or not we choose to believe it. If you do, then try to take a little comfort from it, if you don't , then that is entirely your right. The truth is we probably won't even know til it airs in March.

By the way Ed, I have been really curious about something that maybe you can answer. What are the circumstances that bring Tara back to Willow's bedroom after their date in episode 18? Do they go there to talk? Is it with the intention of making love? Cause reading the dialogue, I didn't get the impression that sleeping together was something they had planned. If you don't know , that's fine, but if you do, PLEASE?

*edited to say that instead of double posting, edit your first one and add anything new to that one.

[This message has been edited by WillTara (edited March 22, 2002).]

[Willowlicious]

I would like to say that while I'm skeptical of Ed's spoilers (it's the prudent approach to take given the nature of spoilers in general and the stakes involved for the Kitten Board right now), I see no need to be rude or to spend all my time playing "Discredit Ed." Yes, there are some rather glaring discrepancies between AnGeLX's and Ed's (and even Ed's and Ed's) spoilers. I've noted them and am being very cautious. However, I can also think of valid reasons that could explain these discrepancies. I can think of a number of sources and timelines that would contribute to differences in otherwise matching spoilers. Ed has asked us not to speculate his sources on the board, though, so I won't post my specific thoughts. I'll just say that I can imagine scenarios that would explain them.

So, Ed, please continue to post and I'll continue to be skeptical and hopefully we can all be polite.

[MAJIK]

Having spent the last few days trawling through spoilers all over the place the more convinced I am that; after Anya accepts the offer to become a Vengeance Demon, she grants a wish to Warren. Chaos ensues, Tara dies, when Anya see's the misery and hurt she has caused, she smashes the Amulet. This results in Tara being alive, where it leaves everyone else I don't know because I'm just too tired! I do think that if anyone will die it will be Anya.

Going now, falling asleep...................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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WILLOW-
'So hard to believe such a hot mama yama came from humble geek-infested roots.'

[shellybean]

I agree with Willowlicious. Even if we disagree with Ed's spoilers, there's no need to be rude. I really really want to believe you Ed! I want to SO badly. But what can I say, I'm a pessimist. So I really don't want to get my hopes up that Tara will come back in the chance that she won't. I am not saying that I don't believe your spoilers, I'm just saying that I'm being cautious. And I will wait and see, and hopefully you will be proven correct.

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"But with Tara, I just know she likes Willow, and she already has one of those" – "Family"

"Honey, in case you didn’t hear me the first six-thousand times, no more teleportation spells." – "Crush"

Willow: "I figured, life goes by so fast, if you don’t write stuff down it just gets…lost."
Tara: "Down to every last bagel"
Willow: "Down to every last everything I do with you" – "Forever"

[Popje]

I just would like to say I like AngelX's discretion in that she does not leak all her spoilers at once. Which I think is very cool. But I'm not wanting to get into the current debate for spoiler veracity. They're spoilers! So subject to doubt.

People are mentioning Rack, and Willow going to him to revive Tara. But if I could speculate for a moment...my feeling is Willow knows he's a creep and wouldn't go to him to do this. I think she'd go to him to get charged with dark magic. But I don't think it will be "give a little to get a little". I think Will is probably going to Rack to "Take a lot" or "take back" some magic. Perhaps by force. It would certainly help her "become unstoppable." And it would fit with her coming fully into her power. It would also be way scary (and at the same time seem a good way of getting vengeance on him too, the dirty rat) to see Willow best Rack, a powerful dark warlock.

[Epicurus]

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Originally posted by Ed The Spoiler:
...You have every right to think what you think, but out of general politeness I'd expect you to word it in a way that doesnt insult anyone until you've seen what happens for yourself. After that, if I'm proven wrong, insult away!

Ed

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But see that's the part where Mr. Anonymous does not show back up at this board to accept the insults and backlash.

Personally, I can't sit here and read positive spoilers from unknown sources and be happy about it. I don't wanna get fucked with.
I'd rather be an asshole now and kiss ass later than gullible and disappointed.
I won't insult you and I won't believe you.

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http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/f/fict-par.htmquote:

[morgan1707]

Ed - Just out of interest, you said that you don't know if Anya accepts the amulet from D'Hyffron, right? Well, if she does, how can she reverse everything? You make no reference to anyone making a wish, therefore, if Anya smashes her amulet, the world returns to normal, but Anya is mortal, and, I'm assuming that everything is still the same (i.e. Willow bad, Tara dead, etc.)

Is this right? Or am I completely missing something?

[Scout]

Morgan, above Ed said:
“This causes Anya to eventually accept D'Hoffryn's offer to return to being a vengence demon but with the condition that if her gem goes, so does she.”

“Anya decides to return to being a vengence demon again after egged on by Halfrek and D'Hoffryn, but there is a big condition attached to it.”

“Anya is almost killed by the demon but is saved by Xander and …it doesnt end that way though because Xander is really vicious over the sex with Spike thing and she ends up granting WARREN'S wish).”

So I think he’s on record as saying Anya accepts the demon status from D’Hoffryn and gives a wish to Warren.

As for Ed not coming back for a backlash, we don’t really know him well enough to say that he won’t come back to answer for his spoilers. I remain skeptical but intrigued, so I’d rather not chase him away too soon or he might take legitimate spoilers with him. Polite but skeptical seems a safe way to go.

[fontaine]

Ed: This might sound like a silly question and I apologise if you have addressed this and I have missed it. I was wondering, you said that we would probably not know Anya's "status" until Ep1 of S7, but, how do we know that things have been reversed? Do we see the gang all in one piece again except for Anya?

Are you able to clarify this at all?

Thanks
Di

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"I'm not exactly shaking in my stylish yet affordable boots, but there's definately something unnatural going on here" - Buffy "Once More With Feeling"

[xita]

Yeah, I think that we won't find out if Ed is right or wrong till we get concrete info on 22. This is a ways away. I suggest we ease of and see how it plays.

[Dr.G]

Well it looks like many kitties are interested in what Ed has to say, and I know I am one of them. I will take the risk that he may be wrong. If anyone does not believe Ed then that is fine as well of course, just don't make it personal. Ed has not tried to force us to accept his word as truth so there is plenty of room to be sceptical without getting personal.

[Lonewolf]

Guys again I'm sorry if one of you did post something about this I guess I missed it, but if you guys didn't I'll ask again, what about that thing on page 6 about Ambers contract for next season that was on the official Buffy site saying that Amber has already signed a contract for next season, how accurate is that thing. I really hope that is it accurate. Has anybody heard anything else about Ambers contract for next season?

Lonewolf

P.S. Again I'm sorry if there was a post about this.

[BBOvenGuy]

We don't know about Amber's contract yet, but we've got someone hard at work on finding out.

[Dr.G]

Nothing is official yet, if it were you would be reading it here in big red fonts.

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[cachaco]

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
We don't know about Amber's contract yet, but we've got someone hard at work on finding out.

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Ooooh, subterfuge, I love it! Kitten-affiliated spies, what a wonderful image... Hope it goes well, and thanks to the brave, nameless souls who go after the catnip-y spoiler treats that make the kittens go crazy (usually in a good way)!

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[morgan1707]

Thank you for the clarification, Scout. That will teach me not to read the spoilers properly in the future!

However, the more Ed posts, the more I believe that there is an element of truth in what he's saying. I just hope Emma is signed for next year.

[Genea]

I know someone is checking this but, my wife read on the bronze web page that amber had re-upped for next season but, that emma caufield had not.

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Sugarloaf
"Due to the recent presidential elections, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off."

[MAJIK]

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Originally posted by Lonewolf:
Guys again I'm sorry if one of you did post something about this I guess I missed it, but if you guys didn't I'll ask again, what about that thing on page 6 about Ambers contract for next season that was on the official Buffy site saying that Amber has already signed a contract for next season, how accurate is that thing. I really hope that is it accurate. Has anybody heard anything else about Ambers contract for next season?

Lonewolf

P.S. Again I'm sorry if there was a post about this.

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Lonewolf, please check the previous page, I replied to your query yesterday.

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
We don't know about Amber's contract yet, but we've got someone hard at work on finding out.

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Sorry BBOvenGuy, but Ambers contract for season 7 has now been confirmed many many times over at the Bronze.

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WILLOW-
'So hard to believe such a hot mama yama came from humble geek-infested roots.'

*edited to say that instead of double posting, edit your first post and add anything new to that one.

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[wiltar]

Who has confirmed it? I mean, I can go to the Bronze and say that Amber's contract for s7 has been confirmed.... does that make me reliable? no. I want to hear this from RELIABLE KNOWN sources...

If I offended you, I apologise, it isn't meant that way

Patricia

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[MAJIK]

Over at the Bronze there is a group called the 'NBers', these people have been around for a lot longer than most of us, they are the original members of The Bronze when the website first started on the WB. They have been specifically researching the contract status' of the cast, they have confirmed that Amber is contracted for 16, and Emma Caulfield has NOT signed on for season 7. As AngelX or anyone else posting spoilers would not reveal they're sources, neither will they, but I personally have as much faith in they're information as I do about AngelX's spoilers, Tara will die, but not permanently, Anya will be the one making sacrifices. Sorry if I'm offending anyone, it's only my opinion. At the end of the day, only time will tell.

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WILLOW-
'So hard to believe such a hot mama yama came from humble geek-infested roots.'