General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 7 - The Voyage Home

[Web Warlock]

Hmmm.

Sounds interesting. But this points something out to me that kinda bugged me.

This is the first spoiler for EP 20 I have ever seen. I have seen tidbits for 19, 21 and 22. But never 20. Why would that be?

Warlock.

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[Blixxt]

Well, all the tidbits for 21 and 22 are really dubious right now. I'm guessing they're completely false (except for the writers, who we now know). Thus, we've *really* only heard up through 19 so far, and not hearing about 20 until now makes sense.

That said, I'm doubting these are true. Ah well.

[Errol]

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Originally posted by Web Warlock:
This is the first spoiler for EP 20 I have ever seen. I have seen tidbits for 19, 21 and 22. But never 20. Why would that be?

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Because there is a post on the same board complaining about the lack of info at all for episode 20. In the post a few fans were worried that this means that in episode 20 there will be something huge happening because of the secrecy. So low and behold a bit later this Glorious person posts this fake info. To rile up the fans or to have a joke. These rumors sound ridiculous and completely made up like fanfiction from a fan who misses the Scoobies being teens. I don't think Amy will be back on the show this season. This spoiler is complete rubish.

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[Blixxt]

Actually, I'm fairly sure Amy will be back on the show this season. If anything, she has at least one ep left in her contract, and her plot is not fully resolved yet.

That said, once again I'm seriously doubting if these 'spoilers' are true.

[april]

garfield, you just *had* to frighten us all by posting the picture of those hideous dresses again, didn't you? yes, of course you did.

and joss seems to be proving his cruelty once again with the end of this season - just as w/t are making up, b/s and x/a are breaking up. he just can't let everyone be happy at once, can he?

[Jen/jennpurr]

In regards to the last spoiler that was just posted... I don't think Willow would use magic again... especially right after her and Tara get back together. If you watch the episodes after Tabula Rasa, Will is really trying and she is succeeding. She knows that using magic again, would make her lose Tara again. I think our girl is smarter than that. Plus, I agree... it's sounds like crap, anyway.

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[wiccie]

Answering the query about filming & timing:

By this point in the season a few eps overlap in their production & development; post-production on one, filming another, pre-production and story breaking for future eps, all happening at the same time.

Scenes are rarely filmed in chronological sequence for lots of scheduling reasons; many technical about location availability and such, and sometimes about actors. For example last year SMG had to shuttle between Australia and LA while filming the Scooby-Doo movie and BTVS. OMWF was shot while other eps were also filming because of Joss' schedule. Most recently, the last scene of OAFA was re-shot with James' double leaving the Summer's home as James was presumably unavailable.

So, it is certainly possible that ASH came in and shot his scenes and went home to the UK, but we have no info confirming or denying his presence.

Clear as mud?

[Kirk B]

Actually, the rather frightening color and appearance of the bridesmaid's dresses doesn't surprise me a bit.

After all, Anya wouldn't want anyone else showing HER up at her wedding, now would she?

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"A Willow is a tree that weeps, but Tara is firmer and will hold.”

Hear that baby? You're my always.

I got so lost.
I found you. I will always find you.

[Blixxt]

Believe it or not, I can actually see Anya honestly loving the dresses. Somehow it all fits, in a terrible terrible way.

[Dr.G]

Oh yes, I believe she genuinely loves them. We can hear her squealing how gorgeous Willow and Buffy look in the promo. Hee hee. I don't think she is intentionally making them wear those horrible things so she herself will look better. She wants the perfect wedding, so she would want to have the bridesmaids look good as well right? Of course these ladies would look good in anything, including those dresses. And it is a brilliant idea to invite all Xander's relatives and Anya's demon friends as part of the perfect wedding.
It makes total sense to me.

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[Dazey]

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Originally posted by Thanatopsis:
I always thought [that Xander and Anya] came together because it was convient, but then it developed into something more. In Hush, Xander beats up Spike because he thinks he bit Anya. In Into the Woods, he has that whole speech that he gives to Anya.

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It's the "developed into something more" part that I get lost on. I just don't see it. I just don't feel it. Speeches and proposals quite frankly don't mean s**t. What counts is the way Xander demonstrates his feelings toward Anya, and the sad fact is he consistently treats her as an embarrassment.

Regarding the new spoilers for Ep 18 that list Drew Greenberg as the writer: does this jibe with what we heard previously about who was writing what for the remainder of the season? I'm just surprised because that would mean 3 eps for Drew his freshman season.

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[Anne]

Don't know if this counts, but my brother called me in the other day, because there was an interview with Tony Head about his new TV role here in Britain, and apparently he said something quite offhand about having to fly back to the States to film the last few eps of the season. Like I say, I didn't see it in person (it was only when he talked poss spoilers for Buffy I was called), it was on one of those late night chat things, and he could have meant any of the later eps I guess. But at least it means that he will be in later eps like we've guessed.

[Rastven]

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Originally posted by april:
and joss seems to be proving his cruelty once again with the end of this season - just as w/t are making up, b/s and x/a are breaking up. he just can't let everyone be happy at once, can he?

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I think the answer to this is that Nature/God/Joss abhors a vacuum.

Woo Hoo double figure posts

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[lesbianinmaine]

Just a quick question-do cast regulars *have* to make themselves available for all possible shooting days? Or do they get a schedule, plan the rest of their lives around it, and if they are needed unexpectedly can say-" Sorry, I am unavailable"?
It's just that JM being "unavailable" to reshoot a scene at the end of January for OaFA seems weird to me. Unless he planned on having a chunk of time off around then. They would have been shooting, what, ep 17 or so?

[Willowlicious]

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Originally posted by Dazey:
It's the "developed into something more" part that I get lost on. I just don't see it. I just don't feel it. Speeches and proposals quite frankly don't mean s**t. What counts is the way Xander demonstrates his feelings toward Anya, and the sad fact is he consistently treats her as an embarrassment.

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Exactly my feelings. Xander has always acted embarrassed by his relationship with Anya. From the beginning, it seems that he has had to make little or no effort to maintain his relationship with her. She threw herself at him, he made a weak effort to shew her away, but then he gave in to the freely offered sex.

Xander has been a bit of a lost soul since high school having to commit to nothing really, including Anya. His big "you make me feel like a man" speech in "Into the Woods" was nothing but words spoken behind closed doors. Publicly, he still treated her as if she was just some wacky chick who followed him around. When Xander proposed, Anya slapped him and said it was because he was afraid they were all going to die. Sadly, it appears she was right. He didn't want to tell anyone about it all summer and, after they did announce their engagement, he STILL treated her as an embarrassment. Now, when it comes right down to the big wedding day, what is Xander going to do? Leave Anya standing at the altar. To the very end, he could NEVER embrace her publicly.

Say what you want about Anya's odd quirks and blatant materialism, but she has always been publicly loyal, committed and supportive to Xander. She has always gone out of her way to let everyone know how attractive she found him, how good he was in bed, that no one else could have him because he was "mine." What did she ever do to deserve the mild disdain that Xander has always treated her with?

I am so interested to see what the writers do with Anya now. After Halfrek first appeared, it seemed to dawn on Anya that Xander treated her poorly in some areas. Now he's going to dump her on their wedding day. What future do they have together? I mean REALLY? I just don't see that they have some deep abiding love (ala W/T) to get them through. I think single Anya will be fascinating and I hope the show explores her character away from Xander, regardless of their ultimate plans for the couple.

Amy

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[Ari]

My feelings about Xander and Anya are that they are two people who want very much to be in love with each other.

I've always equated their feelings, and especially Xander's, with the way Buffy felt about Riley. She cared about him and everything, but the deeper passion just wasn't there. That's why Xander's big speech to Anya at the end of Into the Woods was so significant. Because he knew it too. He knew that he'd been doing to Anya exactly what Buffy had been doing to Riley, so he decided to take his own advice and do his very best appreciate and love her.

But can you just decide you're going to love someone? I don't think so. No matter how much you might wish you could.

Certainly their relationship has often been portrayed as a contrast to Will and Tara's, as in The Body and Tabula Rasa.

Ari

[tommo]

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Originally posted by Ari:
But can you just decide you're going to love someone? I don't think so. No matter how much you might wish you could.

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Sure you can. It all depends on how much money they have, heh heh.

I think I personally have always cringed at Xander and Anya. True, she's not the easiest person to get close to, but he has always been so ashamed of her in front of the other Scoobies. And that always bothered me, you know? I always thought that no matter how a person acts, in front of other people your first loyalty is always to them. I dunno. Perhaps my thinking is screwed. *shrugs*

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[LadyJ]

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Originally posted by lesbianinmaine:
Just a quick question-do cast regulars *have* to make themselves available for all possible shooting days? Or do they get a schedule, plan the rest of their lives around it, and if they are needed unexpectedly can say-" Sorry, I am unavailable"?
It's just that JM being "unavailable" to reshoot a scene at the end of January for OaFA seems weird to me. Unless he planned on having a chunk of time off around then. They would have been shooting, what, ep 17 or so?

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Ok fact Buffy's interior and the porch are part of the stages. So whenever we see the street Buffy lives on they have to go to Cotta. SO we see James leave Buffy's house from the inside, then at a whole new location we see his double's back of the head because they prob. said hey James you have no lines really when we leave the house so you don't have to come on location. Now as for *have* to be avail. YES, the contracts in most cases are pay or play. So they get paid whether they are in it or not. This maybe not be the case on BVS, anyway the only one's that don't have to be avail are people like Johnathan and Amy, they asked for Amy a lot in the past but she was doing that show in Ozzie land. Basically, not everytime you see a cast member is the actual member. H-wood has stand ins has photo doubles etc. I tried to explain this the best I could.
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[Ari]

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Originally posted by tommo:
I think I personally have always cringed at Xander and Anya. True, she's not the easiest person to get close to, but he has always been so ashamed of her in front of the other Scoobies. And that always bothered me, you know? I always thought that no matter how a person acts, in front of other people your first loyalty is always to them. I dunno. Perhaps my thinking is screwed. *shrugs*

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Yeah, it's always noticable how he sort of looks ashamed whenever she says or does something he considers inappropriate. I guess my perception of being in love means that you find even the quirks endearing in their own way, and I don't think he ever really has. Halfrek certainly had some valid points. I keep going back to Tabula Rasa, like the way she was wondering about the harp and everything and it was Tara instead of Xander that understood and appreciated what Anya was thinking about.

I think OAFA is really one of the first times I've ever seen him just automatically take her side in something, and geez, what a moment to pick for that little revelation.

Like I said, I think Xander's a good guy who really wants to be in love. He's just not.

I always kind of wondered if a good part of Willow's problem with Anya, aside from being worried about her vengeful tendencies, was that she knows Xander well enough to realize that he's probably not in love with her. That's why I figured she had the kind of 'stunned and not necessarily in a good way' reaction when she found out they were getting married.

I also remember back in The Replacement how she asked him why it took him so long to think about Anya's safety when he knew he had a double out there. Since she knows what it's like to really be completely in love with someone, she recognizes that he doesn't necessarily have those kinds of feelings about Anya.

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[MP]

Am I the only one who wonders why Xander invited his family esp. his father to his wedding? I mean from the way he talks about them over the years - calling them monsters - and from what we know from his home live, like sleeping outside at X-mas (in Sunnydale!!)or what we've seen in Restless ... it's sounds to me pretty abusive ... kinda like Tara family if you think about it ...

Do you believe Tara would invite them to her future wedding too Willow (*crosses fingers that will see it*)?

Maria

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[Scout]

Yeah, it makes you wonder why he's inviting his family based on what we know, but I guess the show needs them to make it a real circus wedding.

Xander is a rather sad case. He knew so little love growing up that it makes you wonder if that's why he has trouble accepting it and giving it. It will be interesting to see what course their relationship takes after the wedding falls through.

As for W/T's wedding, based on Willow's reaction to Xander and Anya's difficulties in arranging theirs, I'm guessing Will might want something simple if they decide to do it - maybe elopement.

[Blixxt]

I can see a number of reasons why Xander would invite the family. The most obvious is that it makes good television, with the humans and demons brawling each other and us having to decide which is worse. My money's on the humans.

As for character reasons, I imagine if Xander mused about not inviting his family to the wedding Anya would have said, "Of course you have to invite them! It's our wedding! You have to invite families to weddings!" And then making big with the pouty face.

In any case, I'm really looking forward to this episode, as Rebecca-Rand Kirshner rocks.

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[MP]

*G* nobody can resist the pouty face

[BabyWillow81]

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Originally posted by Scout:
As for W/T's wedding, based on Willow's reaction to Xander and Anya's difficulties in arranging theirs, I'm guessing Will might want something simple if they decide to do it - maybe elopement.

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Yes I agree somthing simple. But I don't think they should elope..They should just have a simple wedding like close family and friends. No demons and all that jazz.

This brings up the question in my brain..is Willowout to her mother? Did joss ever even drop us a hint about that situation?

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[xita]

Rofl, Jane Espenson and Rebecca Rand Kirshner were at the betabronze just messing around. I think Jane was trying to promote some good feelings because Rebecca's ep is up next. She was pretending to be just a regular old bronzer posting silly things:

girl fan says:
(Fri Mar 1 19:11:41 2002)

Hi, I'm a big Rebecca Rand Kirshner fan. How do I join her fan club? Could someone please tell me soon!

girl fan says:
(Fri Mar 1 19:20:38 2002)

Hey guys, I'm sorry to interrupt but I want to send a letter to Rebecca Rand Kirshner...I've got such a crush! does she have a sit or what??? Also do you know about Drew Greenberg and an offer at Will and Grace? That would make me cry tears of sadness.
sincerely, girl fan

sexmnstr says:
(Fri Mar 1 19:25:40 2002)

I never post. Just usually read and think to myself but I'm freaking about girl fan! Kirshner is my favorite writer. Did you SEE Tabulla Raza? And I don't think she's a lesbian but if she is she's mine all mine. I will fight you for her. I must see pics, by the way. Also I think last weeks episode was great. Riley drives me nuts but in this one he was pretty cool For a guy (!).

[Blixxt]

Hehehe oh man I've got to go there right now. Those two completely rock.

[tommo]

Eh...oh god this is funny. Is this Jane and Rebecca?

I love Jane...ever since I saw her on the Season 3 DVD's. She's just funny...quirky. And her commentary is excellent.

Heh. I like this.

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[xita]

I love the the spelling of Tabula Rasa, that is my number one pet peeve, people just can't spell it.

[Blixxt]

Here's the rest of the posts from Jane Espenson and Rebecca Rand-Kirshner. There's not really any spoilers here, but it's still pretty funny.

jane espenson says:
(Fri Mar 1 19:44:29 2002)
Oops. Busted.

jane espenson says:
(Fri Mar 1 19:49:33 2002)
Immortal, Hmm. We didn't know about the IP number thing... Rebecca's running around the office now asking about it.

jane espenson says:
(Fri Mar 1 19:54:36 2002)
Grr... can't remember the color codes, and this thing's making me wait 5 mins between posts! That can't be right! But it is really me! Here to steal Rebecca's thunder! Mwee hee hee hee!

Rebecca Rand Kirshner says:
(Fri Mar 1 20:00:04 2002)
Dear everybody,

I do not know what is going on but I hope it is all in good fun. As long as it's funny. Nice to meet you all the other night at the PBP. I had a good time.
xxx
RRK
PS. If you're going to tease, please remember I'm a married woman.

Kosher Cocktail Weenie says:
(Fri Mar 1 20:05:07 2002)
Are you guys sure that's actually Rebecca Kirshner? I heard she got a job as the first girl member of O-Town

Rebecca Rand Kirshner says:
(Fri Mar 1 20:10:17 2002) [Edit/Delete]
Dearest Jane,
You are such a bitca!
Revenge will be sweet..

[Dazey]

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Originally posted by xita:
girl fan says:
(Fri Mar 1 19:11:41 2002)

Hi, I'm a big Rebecca Rand Kirshner fan. How do I join her fan club? Could someone please tell me soon!

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Hee. Actually, I'd sign up for that.

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