General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 6 - The Bermuda Triangle

[Scout]

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Originally posted by Blixxt:
That makes me think that Sam isn't saying "No one can break the addiction of dark magic! You're going down, little girl!" but rather "I'm impressed! I never met anyone who could break the addiction before! Good for you!"

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I feel much better now because I read that spoiler a little differently. See, that's why I come to this board - for much needed reassurances.

Actually, now that I think about it, if I didn't come here at all, I would never have known about the spoiler in the first place and I wouldn't have had a reason to worry. I don't like where this logic is going - must simplify:

Fire bad. Kitty Board pretty.
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[Dark Sheep Mysterioso]

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Originally posted by Kendahl897:
I think it's something like this: creatures do what is in their nature to do, what comes naturally....probably not even in the right galaxy, huh? But thanks for your reply.....

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As stated, ducks do fly south for the winter, hence the flying north. They are doing what is unexpected. In other words "You think you know what you are, what's to come. You haven't even begun." After all baseball is a game that is intense, passionate, and above all else, full of love.

As for the stage hand thing. HIGHLY doubtful.

I say stop trying to read into the ep right now, because time has to occur, but I would be on the look out for more clues in a few weeks.
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[Ari]

Well, that was the first time I've gone by the newsgroup in at least a couple of months and it will probably the last until I get completely bored this summer.

The most common thing I noticed in the Tara dying rumors and speculation is that so many people really want it to happen. And specifically want it to happen as part of a story of making Willow go bad.

The way they are doing the dark magic addiction story, that actually doesn't make a lot of sense, though. Will's problem with power was specifically the type of power she was messing with (coupled with the personal issues that made her start delving into those powers in the first place). And I get the distinct impression that a lot of the point is that the effects of dealing with those kind of powers are cumulative. Which means that even the smallest spell for Will at this point might be as bad as going back to Rack's for a visit.

In last night's ep Anya even said something about Willow having so much of it in her system. I think Willow going back into magic now could actually hurt or destroy her completely. Like the way she inadvertently summoned a demon, I think she lost control of the power to the extent that she might not really be able to control any of her power anymore.

Ari

[BBOvenGuy]

Just this morning I came up with a new theory as to why so many of the spoiler rumors seem to deal with Tara dying and/or Willow turning bad. I'm not sure this is the right forum to go into it, though. I'll talk it over with Xita.

But you're right - the direction they're taking the storyline is one that doesn't really lead to a "Big Bad Willow" scenario. The way they've been hinting, though, I think the one remaining crisis I've been predicting Willow will have will involve her being on the verge of going out of control. Just on the verge, though - she'll pull back by the end of the episode. That may even be what happens in "Entropy."

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)

[CPS Boy]

facinating discussion going on right now.... yes sir-y very facinating.... *innocent grin*

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The good fight, aye?

[Ari]

You know, I wonder if Willow even could just do a simple spell anymore? I was thinking about Afterlife and the way the spell she and Tara tried didn't work and she had to go all black eyed and do it the dark magic way.

Maybe it's the same thing as Giles saying that once you've opened some doors, you can't shut them again. Back in Tough Love when Willow broke into that Darkest Magicks book, I think she crossed a line with her power that she can't ever really get back from. Of course the irony is that she did it in a sense for Tara, and it's probably the thing that allowed her to get Tara's mind back, but it's the same thing that cost her her relationship with Tara as well.

I don't necessarily expect a big 'Willow is tempted' story. What I'm hoping is that now that they've established the boundaries of the addiction storyline (that Will can't do magic of any kind), they can sit back and let the whole idea of reviving a relationship with Tara center around Willow's fears and insecurities instead of it being all about the power.

Ari

[AutumnT]

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
Meanwhile, even our old pal Wendy has posted Dark Sheep's news about Episode 18 now. Funny thing, though, there's no sign of the big retraction announcement she supposedly promised.

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Oh she said she retracted it, which is a lot easier than saying "I was wrong" after they pranced all over blurting it out and telling folks to be nervous and making up excuses about a rerun in sweeps moving things out a week. Hmm, I seem to remember someone asking for apologies from us if they turned out to be right. Oh well.

In other news as we all know Steve DeKnight said he was writing 19 and he also said this of it: "As for ep, 19, it’s not really a dark ep. (honest)". Guess no one dies that episode either. There's a shocker.

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Autumn

I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.quote:

[BBOvenGuy]

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Originally posted by Ari:
What I'm hoping is that now that they've established the boundaries of the addiction storyline (that Will can't do magic of any kind), they can sit back and let the whole idea of reviving a relationship with Tara center around Willow's fears and insecurities instead of it being all about the power.

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Well, the thing is that the two go hand in hand. The power is what Willow used to escape her fears and insecurities. When something happens to bring those fears and insecurities back, the power will be there tempting her. The key is for her to find a new power that's inside herself instead of in a big scary book labelled "Darkest Magic." And I think she will.

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[Dr.G]

Does anybody have any idea when episode 18 airs? I am not sure how long I can last.

[Nightspirit]

I know there's a BSD every year- does anyone think Joss knows we're waiting for it, and will just refuse to kill anyone?
All these BSD spoilers could just be here to lead us off track.

Just a thought...

[BBOvenGuy]

Whether or not there's a Big Scooby Death every year depends on your definition of a Scooby.

In Season 1, the only thing resembling a Big Scooby Death would be Jesse. Was he a Scooby? Plus there was also Buffy herself, for the span of one commercial break.

In Season 2, yes there was Jenny Calendar, and also Angel.

In Season 3, Larry and Harmony were killed in the season finale, as was Principal Snyder. Were they Scoobies?

In Season 4, Forrest was killed off. Was he a Scooby?

In Season 5, it was Joyce. Was she a Scooby? There was also Buffy herself, again.

Every year there are rumors that a main character will be killed off, and yes every year someone dies. But given the past history, I'd say we're much more likely to see the death of someone like Jonathan or Amy than we are to see the death of a core member of the Scooby Gang.

Marti has only said "there will be death," which would also suggest a non-core member. I still haven't seen anything I would consider credible evidence that any of the core cast members are about to be killed off, rumors notwithstanding.

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)

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[Dr.G]

Before the discussion about the BSD and Big Bad gets too serious, let me repeat part of the first post of this thread:

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Also, this is very important for those of us in the know, there are very disturbing spoilers floating out there. However, we have all heard them and debated them to death. So I will asks posters, unless there are new, substantial, and legitimate spoilers regarding a possible big scoobie death or Willow the big bad, do not post about it. We know, we are worried, we take them seriously but we can't spend all our time talking about them.

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We have great new spoilers, especially those of the W/T kind, lets concentrate on them.

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[CPS Boy]

ok.... trying to change the subject... (G-man, don't say I never did nothin for ya *grin*) The murder of Warren's x-girlfriend in Dead Things seemed to have woken Jonathon up a bit to the realities of what they have been doing. Of the three, I feel that Jonathon has more good tendancies than the others.... I'll betcha dollars to pesos that he turns on them in the end. Any thoughts?

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The good fight, aye?

[Robin]

Are there any news about AB having new plans for nect season?
As far as I know she still doesn't have a contract for season 7 or am I wrong?

[lesbianinmaine]

DSM wrote: They are doing what is unexpected. "You think you know who you are, what's to come. You haven't even begun."
Is there *any* chance that Tara could be referring to not only Buffy, but herself, with this line? Using, what would that be, third person? Someone literary help me out here! We have all expected that she was talking directly to Buffy only, applying that line to Tara herself would be unexpected.
At my most optimistic, I would say Tara is much more than we suspected-in a good way. She hadn't "even begun" to be the woman we know now. She *isn't* what she thought she was when she spoke these lines-a demon. And I, for one, sure as hell don't know what's to come.

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[Dr.G]

No news yet Robin, but as next season draws closer there is bound to be.
Going back to DSM's wonderful spoiler. I really love the conversation between them, it is like they are sort of courting all over again, it is so sweet.
They started again on the road back to official coupleyness in this week's episode, and I hope they will continue it in the wedding episode. I really cannot wait for that one either.

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[CPS Boy]

wow.... conversation kinda stalled out here.... hmmmmm.....

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[Wiccagrrl]

Ok, hoping to not cause too much trouble by mentioning the spoiler that dare not speak its name, but I find it very good news that Wendy has, indeed, retracted. Woo and Hoo.

Oh, and Wendy, if you do still lurk here occasionally, thank you. I for one appreciate it.

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Tracy

Hear that Baby? You're my always.
(edited cause, honestly, I do know the difference between it's and its. D'oh!)

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[Epicurus]

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Originally posted by Dr.G:
I really love the conversation between them, it is like they are sort of courting all over again, it is so sweet.

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I know what you mean. We will now be able to see the first real steps that they didn't get to have (on screen) back in Season 4. Hopefully that will include an awkwardly stolen kiss I so desperately want to see.

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[Dr.G]

Hmm indeed Epicurus, I hope you are right, they tortured us with that near kiss in Tabula Rasa, they owe us.
I hope Marti Noxon meant what she said about trying to push the bounderies, but you know, I will just be happy to have them together again, with or without a kiss, that is what matters to me more than anything.

[Scout]

The near kiss in 'Tabula Rasa' seemed like one gigantic tease. I have a hard time believing we won't see that kiss finished sometime this season.

And Tracy, you're a better woman than I am. If I thought Wendy was lurking here right now, 'thank you' are the last two words I would have for her. But I will try to learn from your generous example.

[xita]

You know I was looking through our archive searching for Wendy's promise of apologies and to come here to tell us she was wrong, however I found that all her old posts have been edited and that she was wishing us a happy new year and merry christmas in all her old posts (You can change your old posts but you can't change history).

And I do believe that this needs to be posted and in bold, so says Wendy at her site:

As I said on Feb. 1, if I learned that Tara was in an episode after episode 17, I would retract the spoiler regarding her possible death. The information from both DSM on the Kitten Board and LadyJ on BC&S strongly suggests that Tara is in episode 18, so I am retracting that spoiler.

I remember old promises of gloating, so instead, I will take the time to gloat now. Thank you.

[Wiccagrrl]

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And Tracy, you're a better woman than I am. If I thought Wendy was lurking here right now, 'thank you' are the last two words I would have for her. But I will try to learn from your generous example.

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Y'know, the things with Wendy really bothered me at the time. Right now, I actually feel kinda bad for her, and I am honestly glad she retracted. I can see how people's egos can get wrapped up in this spoiler gig. I do find it strange that she went back and edited all her old posts, though. Guess she wasn't comfortable with people remembering some of the things she said at the time

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[Utopia]

Am I the only one thinking this supposedly friendly, respectful and tolerant board, with a clear policy on bashing of characters, actors and fellow poster is outrageously dragging Wendy, who was kind enough and humble enough to retract her spoiler, through the mud thus going against its own beleifs? I mean... people, come on.

[yaya]

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Originally posted by Utopia:
Am I the only one thinking this supposedly friendly, respectful and tolerant board, with a clear policy on bashing of characters, actors and fellow poster is outrageously dragging Wendy, who was kind enough and humble enough to retract her spoiler, through the mud thus going against its own beleifs? I mean... people, come on.

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no u are not utopia..i agree
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[xita]

I guess you had to be here and you have had to go through the anxiety of dealing with stressed out Tara fans for months. It all stemmed from someone who had an agenda to push an unconfirmed spoiler. Someone who was going to come to gloat on this board about Tara dying. I was not bashing, I was merely posting a retraction of something someone posted that has caused this board and the fans headaches for months. I gloated because I am happy that the beginning of the death of the Tara dying spoilers has come upon us (I certainly don't want to take pleasure in the death of Tara and I would hope no one on this board does, if you do, then you don't belong here). When you get into the spoiler business you best be ready to take criticism. Herc takes it, Wanda takes it, it is the name of the game.

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[SciFiAcid]

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Originally posted by Utopia:
Am I the only one thinking this supposedly friendly, respectful and tolerant board, with a clear policy on bashing of characters, actors and fellow poster is outrageously dragging Wendy, who was kind enough and humble enough to retract her spoiler, through the mud thus going against its own beleifs? I mean... people, come on.

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Hm, it can't all be puppy dogs and flowers. When people post derogatory comments, the mods have ALWAYS stepped forward and squelched the bashing. It doesn’t mean people will not have those opinions and express them, but what makes the Kitten the best board around is that 1, the mods step in, and 2, a quality discussion arises from the original comments. If you haven’t seen that pattern… well maybe that’s why you posted as unregistered. It’s not the original bashing, but the quality conversation that comes from it. Most other boards, or usenet, just pretty much bash sans the intelligent discussions.

As to Wendy, I fell bad for her, as I would anyone else, but she’s really brought the animosity that is coming out on herself. It was her own comments that sent this board into a tissy, thus, people are going to remember that. They became bitter. She said things on this board that were heartbreaking to many of us, me included, without really having any proof… and now we are getting more information that seems to prove her completely wrong.

I mean, to go back and edit out all your posts?? I find that the most telling thing of all personally.

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[Warduke]

Oh really, but it was just fine for her to come here, a W/T board and say that Tara will die, not say in what ep or how but just that she heard from a “source”, but that’s not the real fun part, that was her repeating it, over and over and over again, do you think that was a “nice” thing to do?

[Rally]

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Originally posted by Utopia:
Am I the only one thinking this supposedly friendly, respectful and tolerant board, with a clear policy...

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The board also has one very clear and overriding agenda, that being:

Nobody messes with OUR girls.

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[Warduke]

Exactly Rally.

And if you don't like that, then the solution is real simple...don't come to the Kitten.

Simple isn't it?