General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 6 - The Bermuda Triangle

[Dazey]

xita wrote: "Of course, it would be hard to watch unspoiled, say Willow sees Tara with some girl and walks away disappointed. You'd think oh my is Tara maybe really seeing another girl and oh god is Willow going to give up trying to make it work. I am glad I am spoiled now cause we know that girls is just a friend."

This is pretty much academic since I am a spoiler ho and I intend to stay that way, but even if I weren't and I saw the scene you describe, I can't imagine thinking that Tara was seeing someone new. Especially not after TR and OAFA...the W/T attraction is so intense and they are still so completely in love with each other, there's no way either of them could be even remotely interested in another woman.

Web Warlock wrote: "So is it confirmed that everyone (except Amber) has signed contracts for next year?"

All of the original regulars--Sarah, Aly, Nick, Tony--signed seven-year contracts. Joss was kind enough to let Tony go back to England and do his thing, but technically I believe he is still under contract until the end of S7. I know that when James signed on as a regular he was also contracted until the end of S7; I'm not sure about Emma and Michelle but I would assume the same is true of them.

As a recurring character Amber is contracted for one season at a time only. As we've all been told far more frequently than I care for, her contract this season is for 16 eps.

But there's no way they won't want her back for next year. There's just no way. And I see no reason why they couldn't offer her a regular contract for S7. NO REASON I TELL YOU!

[Lurkergrl]

Forgive me if I am not doing this right, but this is my first post on a message board. I have been lurking at the Buffy spoiler sites for a while now, and I got a strange idea. I have not seen this speculation on any boards, so I thought I would put it up here for comment. What if the BSD is Future Zander? I read on Forums4Fans spoiler site that Herc is speculating the BSD is going to take place on epi 16 (Wedding Day). Their is also speculation that the BSD is not an accident. That got me to thinking about the clues Wanda was giving out. 1. Fourth times the charm - Zander has had three "girlfriend" attempt to kill him: Bug Lady, Dead Egyptian Girl, and (inadverdantly through Anyanka) Cordilia. 2. One foot in the grave - Future Zander is older and, apparently, disabled. 3. Broken Hearted - it appears he is really unhappy with his marriage, and it also seems his daughter is not his. So what if he sees Future Anya kill him?

This is pure speculation on my part, but I would like to see what others think of this.

[AutumnT]

I think that we find out that it is not future Xander at all but someone Anya wronged once based on the script so this theory doesn't pan out. I also think Herc is full of it on this particular point. Especially if he is speculating it happens at the wedding. And I think Wanda is making up vague and odd insinuations that mean nothing and yet a lot of people are treating them like a great mystery of the world and a riddle that must be solved in order for there to be world peace.

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Autumn

I have the sudden urge to dedicate my productive cooperation.

[Lurkergrl]

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I think that we find out that it is not future Xander at all but someone Anya wronged once based on the script so this theory doesn't pan out. I also think Herc is full of it on this particular point. Especially if he is speculating it happens at the wedding. And I think Wanda is making up vague and odd insinuations that mean nothing and yet a lot of people are treating them like a great mystery of the world and a riddle that must be solved in order for there to be world peace.

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True, and it may not pan out or even be based on accurate spoilers, which is why it is speculation. However, no one ever said the BSD was real, just that the character wouldn't be brought back to life. So...wouldn't that be a neat little way for the writers to play with our heads. After all, a Scooby does die..but in such a way that they don't really have to give up a main character.

Anyway, as I said before, this was a random speculation that I had and thought I would toss into the ring. Take it with a grain of salt. Agree or disagree. Laugh heartily. Because, believe me, if by some random glitch in the universe I am right I will miss the rest of the episode because I will have fainted.quote:

[drlloyd11]

There is no BSD in 16
there is not even a L(ittle)SD!

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Originally posted by Lurkergrl:
Forgive me if I am not doing this right, but this is my first post on a message board. I have been lurking at the Buffy spoiler sites for a while now, and I got a strange idea. I have not seen this speculation on any boards, so I thought I would put it up here for comment. What if the BSD is Future Zander? I read on Forums4Fans spoiler site that Herc is speculating the BSD is going to take place on epi 16 (Wedding Day). Their is also speculation that the BSD is not an accident. That got me to thinking about the clues Wanda was giving out. 1. Fourth times the charm - Zander has had three "girlfriend" attempt to kill him: Bug Lady, Dead Egyptian Girl, and (inadverdantly through Anyanka) Cordilia. 2. One foot in the grave - Future Zander is older and, apparently, disabled. 3. Broken Hearted - it appears he is really unhappy with his marriage, and it also seems his daughter is not his. So what if he sees Future Anya kill him?

This is pure speculation on my part, but I would like to see what others think of this.

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[xita]

Dazey, I would never think that Tara was picking up with some girl, I would just worry and angst about it cause that's what I do, I worry. I worry that the writers will betray the ideal, i worry that they will get it wrong. I worry that Willow would think that that she'd be all depressed thinking she's got no chance. I just worry. Willow and Tara as I see them are meant to be. Nobody else will ever bring out the emotions they bring out in each other.

[Ari]

You guys really don't think Willow's going to have serious issues with Anya trying to curse Xander?

In Triangle, she pretty much said that's exactly what she's been so afraid of all this time. I can't imagine her just sitting back and idly watching as her worst fears about Anya and Xander are realized.

The other day when DeKnight was at the Bronze and said something like "Hmmm, who would want to hurt Xander?" I immediately thought of post-break up Anya.

I mean, Anya spent a thousand years punishing men. And we heard from Halfrek it was specifically Anya's issue that caused her to do that, rather than being just a general justice demon code or something.

This seems to me pretty much like the turning point for Anya. A former vengeance demon who fell in love with the very man she came to town to take vengeance on. And now that guy breaks her heart. What's she going to do?

I have to say, if there is an easy or quick resolution/reconciliation between X/A after this, I'll be incredibly disappointed because it'll be a waste of pretty much three years of build-up.

Ari

[Dazey]

Understood, xita. I am all about the worry and angst myself. My housemates, who watch the show but don't have nearly the degree of emotional investment in it that I do, think I am completely insane when I tell them how worried I am about Willow or Tara or WillowandTara.

[mat]

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Originally posted by Dazey:
how worried I am about Willow or Tara or WillowandTara.

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I so know what you mean! It happens all the time with me. I can just imagine in Tabula Rasa, I will be watching with friends or family and they will be like "aww that's sad" and I will be there with tears rolling down my face having this whole great big emotional breakdown...!

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[Tensai]

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Originally posted by Dazey:
I'm not sure about Emma and Michelle but I would assume the same is true of them.

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Emma and Michelle have been reported as being signed through Season Seven. Both of them have good reasons for being on the show, and I doubt that either of them will be cut loose. Even if there is a revenge-story with Anya, everything I've heard points to her being unable to actually 'do' anything to Xander. Aside from that, she's a crucial piece of the Scooby mix and losing her would leave a hole that would be hard to fill (not to mention, who would run the Magic Box? Thus forcing the writers to find another base for the gang to operate from and provide the required Phlebotinin). Willow's addiction story arc pretty much kills the possibility of her running the shop, so I think that she's safe.

-Tensai

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[Tasha_uk]

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Originally posted by mat:
I so know what you mean! It happens all the time with me. I can just imagine in Tabula Rasa, I will be watching with friends or family and they will be like "aww that's sad" and I will be there with tears rolling down my face having this whole great big emotional breakdown...!

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i know the feeling - when i watch episodes with m family and laugh at all of the in-jokes and references, they're like "okaaaaaay, and thats funny because....". how little they know. i usually manage to keep in the big emotions, although i feel TR might just push it (although i've got plenty of time to prepare (bbc-only viewer))

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[Wiccagrrl]

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Originally posted by Tensai:
Emma and Michelle have been reported as being signed through Season Season. Both of them have good reasons for being on the show, and I doubt that either of them will be cut loose. Even if there is a revenge-story with Anya, everything I've heard points to her being unable to actually 'do' anything to Xander. Aside from that, she's a crucial piece of the Scooby mix and losing her would leave a hole that would be hard to fill (not to mention, who would run the Magic Box? Thus forcing the writers to find another base for the gang to operate from and provide the required Phlebotinin). Willow's addiction story arc pretty much kills the possibility of her running the shop, so I think that she's safe.

-Tensai

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Well, as you've been fond of saying in regards to a certain spoiler, anything's possible Seriously, I am so not buying that ANY of the Scoobs are going anywhere for good. But I have to take issue with the concept that a certain Scooby SO is considered so much more expendable than others. Y'know...maybe Tara could take over the Magic Box, what with her being NOT DEAD and all.
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[Scout]

Re: Willow seeing Tara with a friend

Jealousy can also be a positive emotion. Based on what we’ve heard, Willow is still playing it very safe with Tara up until ep 18. Seeing Tara with someone else seems to be the kick-in-the-pants Willow needed to make her stop playing it safe and to compel her to make a move by asking Tara out for coffee. Jealousy (founded or unfounded) is often a great motivator.

[Wiccagrrl]

Good point, Scout. It should be interesting. We've seen a slightly jealous Tara before, but I don't remember us seeing Willow jealous/worried that Tara might be interested in someone else. (We saw it with Oz but not really with Tara.)

[Tensai]

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Originally posted by Wiccagrrl:
Y'know...maybe Tara could take over the Magic Box, what with her being NOT DEAD and all.

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Considering her stressing that Willow needs to be a far away from magic as possible (not even letting her in the room when she cast the spell), I doubt that she would take over the running of a Magic Store. Unless she and Willow are no longer in a relationship at that point, which just raises more questions.

There is a point to Anya being on the show, something I mentioned on the site a while back. She's the 'Common Sense' and 'Tell It Like It Is' character in the mix (just like Cordelia before her), so it would be hard to lose her without pulling in a replacement (and usually having one already waiting in the wings).

Death also doesn't seem the proper exit for her character, especially since you could just have her revert to being a 'Justice Demon' and still leave the door open for a future cameo (ala Oz, Riley, Dru, Harmony, etc).

Besides, I'm a huge Emma C. fan, so don't you go spreading all these 'Anya Dies' rumors

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[Wiccagrrl]

Oh, I don't really think Tara would take over the Magic Box- I was kidding about that. And, truth is, I don't see Anya going anywhere anytime soon. I love EC, too- and I think she serves a huge purpose on the show. My point was (and I think you know this that Tara serves a huge purpose too. But I really do think that Tara's gonna take over the magic end of things in the SG. Which will be hard on Willow, but hey, even Willow said she didn't expect that Tara was going to give up magic. And besides, as Willow said- she's essential

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Hear that Baby? You're my always.

[AutumnT]

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Originally posted by Tensai:
Besides, I'm a huge Emma C. fan, so don't you go spreading all these 'Anya Dies' rumors

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Does this mean you won't be listing Anya dies as "possible"?

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[BBOvenGuy]

Autumn has a point. There have been a number of rumors about her lately...

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[Web Warlock]

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
Autumn has a point. There have been a number of rumors about her lately...

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I know, and I was getting worried. Not as worried as the Tara dies rumors (which are false, Miss Cleo told me so), but still.

That is why I asked who had what signed.

Warlock.

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[Popje]

Well I don't think contracts have anything to do with whether the writers will "kill" off a character or not. I mean S5 - Buffy? I'm still leaning towards a core member. Let's explore what some possibilities might be.

Maybe Spike (or his dopplegang - hinted of by Doc)? All that love-hate that Buffy has brewing towards him. That vicious killer-slayer side coming out, and her confusion over her vampire lover. The Scoobs not knowing about the affair. Warren knowing about Spike's chip. All could lead to trouble for beloved Spikey, with people out gunning for him, or using him as a pawn...

Then there's Dawn. Much neglected by character and writers of late, what exactly is she to do? I say get some friends her age, (but the show isn't Jr. Buffy) or is it? I remember she's supposed to be "just a regular girl" but she was created of mystical energy and Buffy's blood. Could Willow's resurrection spell cause someone or something to come back to balance the scales? Could Dawn be the victim? Amy perhaps involved?

Then there's Xander or Anya. Nothing goes well with a woman scorned. Just why did Anyanka have a thing for vengeance against men who scorned there ladies anyway? Wonder what set her off, oh a 1000 years ago. There's Hallie to support and egg her former "justice demon" friend on... Revenge gone wrong, or revenge gone right?

Then there's our beloved Tara and Willow. Could our separated lovers try to reunite, but have a life-death situation result in a "bad" spell being cast, and the results, well, be catastrophic? Could "we always find each other" be a sad ME tortured lovers send up to a tragic plot line?

You can see the writers have many directions they can go in, and tie in smaller plot threads and smaller "villains" we've seen into a big "bang" of a finish.
So I've no opinion on a BSD. There's just too many options.

And I'd just like to add, the writers are always creative in ways to bring our characters back from beyond...so I'm not saying any of these folks would be permanently dead...

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[BBOvenGuy]

There are many rumors, many options and many opinions, but still no facts. Until someone shows me facts, I'm not believing any of it.

And the moderators probably won't let too much more discussion go on until there are facts, too.

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[Wiccagrrl]

Then there's Xander or Anya. Nothing goes well with a woman scorned. Just why did Anyanka have a thing for vengeance against men who scorned there ladies anyway? Wonder what set her off, oh a 1000 years ago. There's Hallie to support and egg her former "justice demon" friend on... Revenge gone wrong, or revenge gone right?

Well, we kinda know what set her off- Olaf cheating on her. (Which was why she turned him into a troll, which is how she got offered the job as a Justice Demon)) All of which means that, whatever happens, Xander really should be kinda careful about how he treats her

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Hear that Baby? You're my always.

[BBOvenGuy]

Well, if you'll recall, when they went to the prom, Anya spent the entire time describing all the curses she had inflicted over the centuries. If Xander doesn't know what he's getting into by now, he has only himself to blame.

[Popje]

So right BBOven Guy! What I didn't say in my last post is that, virtually anyone right now can pick a character and point to a S6 plotline that might mean "Doom" for a certain character. Me I"m along for whatever ride ME brings on. (But would be very, very upset with them if they picked W/T, of course)!!!! Why I just might have to clone some kittie claws or something.

[Shaniezak]

Hey Popje, if you're planning on cloning kitty claws, better figure out how to do it in bulk. Just in case, and stuff.

Not that I think we'll need 'em or anything.

[Tensai]

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Originally posted by AutumnT:
Does this mean you won't be listing Anya dies as "possible"?

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Actually, Anya was the prime candidate when the BSD information first surfaced. However, that was pretty much snuffed by the actress herself in an interview, where without hesitation she denied the rumor that she would be leaving the show this season.

While I might not be ready to believe everything that the writers might say, if one of the actors denies a rumor I pretty much go with it. I don't know if Amber is going to the PBP, but if she starts quoting Mark Twain I'll gladly drop the ranking on that spoiler

( I just have this image of Marti and Joss getting cornered by a group of Kitten's in an elevator. )

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[Warduke]

Ok, reposting part of the first post in this thread, since many people seem to have forgotten it...

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Also, this is very important for those of us in the know, there are very disturbing spoilers floating out there. However, we have all heard them and debated them to death. So I will asks posters, unless there are new, substantial, and legitimate spoilers regarding a possible big scoobie death or Willow the big bad, do not post about it. We know, we are worried, we take them seriously but we can't spend all our time talking about them. You will be promptly edited or deleted.

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So since we have NO new info on this, let's just drop it and move on to the great W/T spoilers we have gotten recently.quote:

[Wiccagrrl]

Sorry, Warduke. So, Willow. Tara. Coffee Date. How cool is that?

[Warduke]

It's very cool Tracy, I can't wait to see all that W/T goodness

[xita]

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Originally posted by Tensai:
While I might not be ready to believe everything that the writers might say, if one of the actors denies a rumor I pretty much go with it.-Tensai

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I am pretty sure the actors are under contract not to divulge spoilers. Do you really think any one of them would say, I do not deny that I am getting killed. I think not. In fact, I remember Blucas talking as if he were not leaving before he indeed did leave.

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Originally posted by Tensai:

( I just have this image of Marti and Joss getting cornered by a group of Kitten's in an elevator. )
-Tensai

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oh see Marti and Joss have never done anything to wrong the kitties Tensai. The show and their interviews have always been full of love for w/t, it's certain spoiler pimps that haven't earned any love here

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