General Season 6 Spoilers - Part 11

[Web Warlock]

Sit back an admire the stupidity that ME has become.

They rush through a makeup scene that has been building for half a season.
So they can kill the innocent girl.

If Marti walked into my home with her hair on fire I don't I could summon up enough interest to even give her a glass of water.

Ok, that was bitter, well so am I.

Ok, I really don't wish anyone harm. But tell me why they wish it on us?

Warlock.

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[NLL]

I had no intention of offending anybody with my Spike / Buffy comments, sorry if I did, it isnot their relationship but the NATURE of it I have found unpleasant - Buffy doesn't seem herself, Spike taking advantage etc.

Anyway sorry enough of that, this is a Willow/Tara board!

Why would someone pretend to be Tara? I'm not sure what Amy would gain from doing that. Would it help her against the Scoobies somehow? She could maybe
trick them into supporting her in something but I don't think she needs to sleep with Willow to achieve that.

[Peapod]

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Originally posted by BBOvenGuy:
Tara's been out of the Summers house for a lot longer than two weeks. I'd say more like two months at least. That's plenty of time for her to make new friends. I don't think she'd have found a new girlfriend, but then again the kiss on the cheek we saw doesn't necessarily mean that girl was a new girlfriend.

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Yes, but I don't think you can get to know someone for two months,then start kissing them on the cheek in the hallway before your next class. But that's just my opinion.

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[theatremouse]

yeah

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Originally posted by The Partyman:
I have been thinking that this is a possibility.

It could tie in with the Wizard of Oz references and allow Tara to be Glinda the good witch. Rather than the dead one.

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whence are these wizard of oz references? am i incredibly dense? email me, i need to be enlightened.
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[Ghostwriter]

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Originally posted by Web Warlock:
[B]Sit back an admire the stupidity that ME has become.

They rush through a makeup scene that has been building for half a season.
So they can kill the innocent girl.

/B]

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I have to agree, yes it's been building up and a lot happens off screen, but we go from not talking, to Tara not hanging up IF Willow called, to a failed attempt to ask Tara out, to a coffee date and then major smoochies and then steamy sex. It does seem pretty quick, just to kill her off in a senseless manner no less. If the purpose was to turn Willow into the Big Bad they had plenty of opportunities after TR.Heck if they wanted to follow the addiction story they could have and then when Amy gave her the magic "present" she could have fallen off the wagon and continued to do magic in secret, which then could have set up her Big Badness slowly through out the course of the season, all without killing Tara. I am not in the "reset" camp yet but something has to give and I want Tara alive and well and with Willow at the end of 22.

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[Nic C]

re. the Spike/Buffy (attempted) rape scene.

Agreed, this is very interesting. I think ME desperately need to go into the implications of the yes/no aspect of B/S.

They've set the 'ship up as unhealthy, have repeatedly told us so. Now they need to show the consequences, and that includes of crying wolf. Not very PC to say it, but us girlies aren't always saints/victims, and Buffy's been at fault, too. It'll be very daring - and compelling - if they do follow this through, I must say.

Yes, Spike needs serious pain as an object lesson in No Means No (hopefully thus going some way towards counteracting the malignant legacy of B/S no-means-yes in real life, which TVSurfer pointed out in her diatribe at DeKnight the other week).

But Buffy needs to learn to mean what she says.

eeek. nasty thoughts. Not an easy issue, at all.

More happily, I agree that if this cliche is being turned on its head, what possibilities for Bad Lesbian Death? swinging back to hope again

Oh, and Will/Amy: I agree with Autumn... eeewww...

Nic

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[fontaine]

I agree with what is being said about Tara and the rushed make up. I mean these are two people who until this point were barely speaking. And now after all that has happened Tara more or less just says oh just skip it let's go to bed? I don't know about anyone else but am I the only person who has been getting the impression that Tara didn't seem as keen to get back together as Willow? By this I mean she was a little wary of Willow. Either something is wrong here or the writing on this show is getting beyond bad.

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"It was inconclusive and I didn't stick around to find out. I might have magic'd my fist through a wall or something - Willow (Normal Again)

[The Big I-T]

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Originally posted by Warduke:
...I don't think that what Tara says is out of character at the end of 18, she still loves Willow with all her heart and being this close to her, spending all this time with her and seeing that Willow has changed and is working at staying away from magic, makes perfect sense to me that Tara would want to be with Willow at this point, that she couldn't stand to not be with her any longer.

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Originally posted by Kendahl897:
I agree with Warduke on this one. She still loves Willow very much and Willow has come a LONG way in battling her addiction. Granted there are still issues of trust and such they need to work through, but those are issues that they have to be together to be able to work through.

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Bingo on both posts.

But I have to say, I was just watching Smashed, and the idea of Amy trying to pass herself off as Tara just popped into my head, too, for some reason. I think I just got a weird, uneasy, sick sort of feeling watching her play on Willow's insecurities in order to get her to do what Amy wanted her to. (Go out and party when Willow didn't seem all that interested at first...)

Now I don't think she could pass herself off convincingly as Tara for any length of time, mainly because she doesn't really know Tara at all. Met her for all of about 2 minutes in the kitchen at the beginning of Wrecked, but that's about it. Willow would be clued in pretty darned quickly that something was "off" with Tara if Amy were to try this tactic in any sort of intensely personal or intimate scenario...and most especially during the act of lovemaking. No way could Amy pull off impersonating Tara in that department, I'd wager. Also, I don't think the writers would have made such a point of including that line in the script for Ep 18 if that weren't indeed the real Tara: "They kiss passionately, they interlock fingers, holding on as tight as they can, not letting go they keep kissing, it is intense, it is passionate, and it is above all else, love, truly and forever." It sure the hell would not be if that were Amy.

Nope. It's definitely Tara then and all the way through the "steamy sex" that ensues. But afterwards? During the time that Willow leaves Tara alone and before she returns to find her body? Just how much time does elapse there? Amy is nothing if not sneaky and resourceful...and who's to say she's not just biding her time, waiting for the perfect opportunity to step in...right after the lovemaking when Willow's defenses would be down and she's at her most vulnerable. (Not to mention Tara being at her most vulnerable...) Hey, Willow's suddenly got Tara back, she's feeling "top of the world" and what could possibly go wrong now? A perfect opportunity for Amy to step in and "take over" for just long enough to set in motion whatever plan she might have concocted...using Tara, of course, because why would Willow question anything "Tara" might ask of her....or how would it affect Willow if "Tara" were to suddenly change her mind, or turn against her via a provoked argument, and end up leaving her again...or something like that...(hard to imagine what exactly goes on inside of Amy's head now that it's spent so much time as a rat...) It would probably have something to do, though, with making sure Willow feels abandoned by "Tara" again and is broken down enough emotionally and mentally that she would presumably return to her Dark Magicks addiction and be Amy's playmate again.

Maybe it seems like a bit of a reach, mainly because we really don't have much more to work with here than the fact that Willow finds Tara's body and Willow goes Dark...but it's not beyond the realm of possibility...and it provides plenty of food for thought once we get a chance to weigh it against any new information that might be forthcoming...and it sure does fit in with the old switcheroo theory of getting us to obsess about what's going on in the one hand while Joss is yanking us around with the other...

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Originally posted by Morphine:
It's not that it's stupid, but it doesn't fit what we know comes after. If Tara wasn't truly dead, and with Willow and her so close to getting back together, I think she'd have time to contact her before Willow goes Harry Potter Meets Charles Manson...

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Actually, Tara probably wouldn't be able to contact anybody. You'd have to think that Amy would have had some idea for stashing her away at least until her plan had a chance to take hold...until she was sure that Tara and Willow were over and done for good.

Interesting, indeed....

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[themagicpixie]

Sadly, as Tara is the most underused and underwritten major character
in the show, the producers will see her as the perfect BSD.

What ways are there for her to still be alive in the end? The Kitties say:

1. The big reset
2. Someone (possibly Amy) poses as Tara and they get killed instead
3. A wish / reversal of a wish (possibly granted by Anya)
4. Magic (but it seems Willow can't resurrect her lover)
5. "It was all a dream / psychotic episode"
6. A sacrifice (Tara's death is traded for that of another character, or
for a character being pushed into another dimension)
7. Another character - maybe Buffy who doesn't seem to be up to much -
somehow manages to being her back...
8. A combination of two or more of the above!

I am of the opinion that if Tara stays dead there will have to be some
reason why she can't be brought back - why can't Willow do a spell? Is
it because she has exhausted her power saving Buffy again? In any case
in a show like this the viewers are not going to buy "That's it, nothing we
can do" - even though it was wrong, Dawn tried to bring back Joyce.

Interesting post The Big I-T. But why would Amy want to break up Tara
and Willow? As part of some bigger plan to bring the Buffy & all the others
down?

*edited to say that instead of double posting, just edit your first post and add anything new to that one, please read the FAQ.

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[The Big I-T]

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Originally posted by themagicpixie:
Interesting post The Big I-T. But why would Amy want to break up Tara
and Willow? As part of some bigger plan to bring the Buffy & all the others
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Amy's only issue is with Willow...the fact that Willow severed their friendship in order to secure her own recovery from magicks addiction. Amy has already tried to force magick back on Willow once; she doesn't figure to let it just drop at that.

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[Morphine]

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Originally posted by themagicpixie:
I am of the opinion that if Tara stays dead there will have to be some
reason why she can't be brought back - why can't Willow do a spell? Is
it because she has exhausted her power saving Buffy again? In any case
in a show like this the viewers are not going to buy "That's it, nothing we
can do" - even though it was wrong, Dawn tried to bring back Joyce.

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See, I tend to focus on why Tara will be brought back... Silly me!

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[Ghostwriter]

Big l-T Interesting point. I had not thought of that as a reason. Amy who was not happy to have lost her magical "playmate" and jealous that Rack liked Willow better would try to get her to turn back to magic, if just to be a bitch. Your idea would make sense and not require a reset, cause if Amy is killed as Tara, well who really cares, I mean once a rat always a rat.

[BBOvenGuy]

Ummmm... I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade, especially since we're all grasping at straws and assorted other cliches, but I really don't see Amy going so far as to sleep with Willow just to get her into magic again. Especially when such a twist would be coming completely out of nowhere.

Plus, as others have said... Ewwww...

[xita]

There is a line between fanfic and speculation based on given spoilers. There is nothing to suggest the amy stuff. Let's drop it cause it has gotten repetitive. Moving on...

Spoilers...? anyone??? bueller...?

[Caesar]

Spoiler 1.) the final episodes will be dark and depressing.

[Ari]

Well, getting away from the icky Amy stuff -

I have to admit that when I first read that Spike was going to try and rape Buffy, but that she was going to stop him, I actually said (out loud) "Well, thank God!"

It does my heart good to think that they might actually show Buffy saying no and freakin' meaning it! What a concept!

Ahem. Sorry about that.

Anyway, I also think this is as much the natural end to the Spike/Buffy plot we've seen this season as Willow and Tara's reunion is for theirs. After all, they have played Buffy and Spike as a counterpoint to Willow and Tara this season.

We have the first kiss in OMWF after Tara officially finds out about the forget spell and her and Willow's relationship is officially put in jeopardy. There is the juxtaposition of Tara leaving and Spike and Buffy making out in the Bronze. Then in Smashed, we have Willow and Tara officially broken up and Spike and Buffy bangin' the house down.

In other words, W/T ends - S/B begins, S/B ends - W/T begins again.

I still say that most of the major plots for the season are essentially finished by the time 19 rolls around. And that strikes me as being very intentional.

[Corinthian]

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Originally posted by xita:
Spoilers...? anyone??? bueller...?

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Where's Bueller with the spoilers when you really need him?

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[Caesar]

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Originally posted by Ari:
Well, getting away from the icky Amy stuff -

I have to admit that when I first read that Spike was going to try and rape Buffy, but that she was going to stop him, I actually said (out loud) "Well, thank God!"

It does my heart good to think that they might actually show Buffy saying no and freakin' meaning it! What a concept!

Ahem. Sorry about that.

Anyway, I also think this is as much the natural end to the Spike/Buffy plot we've seen this season as Willow and Tara's reunion is for theirs. After all, they have played Buffy and Spike as a counterpoint to Willow and Tara this season.

We have the first kiss in OMWF after Tara officially finds out about the forget spell and her and Willow's relationship is officially put in jeopardy. There is the juxtaposition of Tara leaving and Spike and Buffy making out in the Bronze. Then in Smashed, we have Willow and Tara officially broken up and Spike and Buffy bangin' the house down.

In other words, W/T ends - S/B begins, S/B ends - W/T begins again.

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And then Tara dies, and Spike gets dechipped, and Willow becomes evil.

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[Wiccagrrl]

Yeah, going through some serious spoiler withdrawl myself On the bright side, it sounds like Angel X has a few more tidbits for us, she just isn't able to release them quite yet. I imagine we won't get much in the way of reliable spoilers for eps 21 and 22, though... especially for the ending of 22, which if there is any really good news is probably were it'll be. So, it may be a long coupla months

[eccentrictulip]

hey everybody--question (sorry if anyone else has already asked....) actaully, it's probably a pretty dumb question, buti'm still getting the hang of this spoiler stuff....do we know when the spoilers will be out for the final eps. of the season? after those, i'm NEVER reading another one....

[EvilAnya]

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Originally posted by Popje:

Now, as for getting rid of Anya, shippers out there might be lead to believe S7 may show a shift to another romantic triangle. We’ve not seen one in a while. But by my thinking - Xander, Buffy, Spike. Which would bring up the dynamic between the bad boy and the good boy for the Slayer to pick from. Comfortador or Vamp? Just a thought.

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[Ari]

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Originally posted by Caesar:
And then Tara dies, and Spike gets dechipped, and Willow becomes evil.

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Exactly.

And whatever the catalyst is for all those things happening basically simultaneously represents the bigbadness of the final arc, which will eventually have to be defeated - by being undone.

Taking us back to 19 once again where all of the stories have already reached their proper conclusions.

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[Wiccagrrl]

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Originally posted by EvilAnya:
If they do a triangle between buffy/spike/xander then i swear, i will scoop my eyes out with a melon baller.

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Hello to the imagery That said, I kind of agree. I really wouldn't want to see that triangle, and isn't it just a little too similar to A/B/X?
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[The Big I-T]

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Originally posted by EvilAnya:
If they do a triangle between buffy/spike/xander then i swear, i will scoop my eyes out with a melon baller.

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You could borrow mine right after I'm done with it...

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[Ari]

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Originally posted by EvilAnya:
If they do a triangle between buffy/spike/xander then i swear, i will scoop my eyes out with a melon baller.

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Not to be encouraging the improper use of kitchen utensils..

But the B/X/S dynamic has already sort of gotten underway in Normal Again.

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[tommo]

Tell me, what would be the point of doing a B/S/X triangle? What?

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

[AutumnT]

Increased melon baller sales?

[Morphine]

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Originally posted by tommo:
Tell me, what would be the point of doing a B/S/X triangle? What?

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Make me laugh till I bleed, for one. But mostly, it's entertaining during the spoiler drought. But I agree, it's like Amy/Tara. It's not anything but fanfic...

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[tommo]

That or the world has finally gone insane...

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You know I've been through hell...Joss can't you see, there'll be nothing left of me. You made me believe...

[Wiccagrrl]

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Originally posted by tommo:
Tell me, what would be the point of doing a B/S/X triangle? What?

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