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[Tenetria]

SpongeBob - I definitely thought Monica (on the X-Files) was going to turn out to be gay. The flirting in the birth episode was unreal.

Then when I heard Lucy Lawless was coming on the show, I thought for sure they would get involved, but of course that didn't happen.

[Cipher]

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Originally posted by fell:
A lot of Andromeda fans thought the Magog character Rev Bem was ridiculous. He reminded me of one of those 50's B movies with the cardboard space ship on a string where the alien was a guy in a gorilla suit and a plastic helmet. It looks like they've gotten rid of him, or at least sent him off on an extended sabbatical.

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Granted the design of his appearance is odd (that nose?) and perhaps even ridiculous, but before the encounter with the Magog worldship he was fairly interesting as a character. He wasn't my favorite character (not sure I have one) but he added to the mix. Ever since the worldship though he's been different (losing the robe, for example, making him look even more ridiculous) and I haven't liked him as much. But it was the recent changes they made to him that messed him up for me, not the original character. I miss the old Rev a little but not the new one.

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Trance's tail was beyond lame and they actually had the sense to get rid of that, too. IMO the new Trance is a huge improvement. For those who don't follow the show, she not only changed from purple to gold, she went from wearing a backless purple velour catsuit to wearing space leathers and a blaster on her hip, and as Zahir mentioned, a way cool new 'do. Most remarkably, they've changed her character to be more serious, self-assured and even dangerous, increasing her coolness factor and self-respect at the same time (she's supposed to be a much older version of herself.) This was exceptionally well done, I thought. It was integral to the story which made it seem inevitable, unlike when her tail got shot off which was just dumb.

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I really liked Trance, including her tail and purple color (though they lacked sufficient room in their budget to do much with it, so most of the time her tail just hangs as a part of her costume). Part of her appeal is that just like Buffy she appears to be innocent and vulnerable, but she's really-not (though only rarely did we get to see that).

The only thing I might have liked even better is if innocent purple Trace could kick major ass (when no one who knows her is watching?), but they've given that more to the android which also works for me (Rommie was very cool in that episode where she was trying to protect a witness from forces trying to capture/kill him--presumably what you meant by the Trinity reference).

The new Trance loses the element of surprise and that Buffyness quality of toughness in a seemingly-vulnerable package. I hope I still end up liking her, but I'll miss the old Trance. If she can actually fight beyond just shooting the new blaster they could pull off the change in my view, but they have to be careful to differentiate her abilities from Rommie. (She wouldn't have Rommie's android strength or speed, but she can kinda sense future probabilities or something (they're vague about it) and adapting that to fighting she could move as if she knows how an opponent is going to attack before they do it--almost Jedi-like--if they go that way. The result might look similar to Willowvamp's fighting in Doppelgängland though presumably without the cruelty...most of the time.)

Her comment about Bekka being beautiful might have simply been due to future-Bekka having those cyborg implants for so long you forget how she used to look. But it would be nice if Trace is romanticly attracted as well.

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Three of the six Andromeda crew members are women and none of them are window dressing. They're all strong, complex and feminine (both feminist and femme.) Compare that to Enterprise which apparently has only two women in a crew of dozens, and one of them is a whiner. (The other one is apparently the original owner of the rubber "uniforms" which 7 of 9 will one day find in the back of a closet on Voyager. What are the odds?)

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Yeah, I love that the women of Andromeda are all very impressive characters; it's one of the great things about that show. The characters on Enterprise are a little more human than super-human, as it's less about action and more about thinking and interacting. When you do a good job combining these two approaches you get the women of Buffy who make strong but more realistic role-models (Tara being the best these days; Older and Far Away reminded me why I love her).

But you forgot the third female on Enterprise. I forget her name and rank (ensign?), and she's not a regular, but she's been in a few episodes like the one where they away team got stranded on a planet in a storm and started going crazy. It'd be nice for something to develop between her and Hoshi (since T'Pol is a lost cause), but I'd be surprised if the show did anything beyond subtext (and that'll most likely be T'Pol and Hoshi, who have more contact with each other).

Of course with the two guys (Tucker and Trip? I'm not sure of their names, still) having bonded in the shuttlepod this week, maybe something subtexty (or more) could happen there.quote:quote:quote:

[BBOvenGuy]

The third female character we've seen on Enterprise is Crewman Cutler, who has a thing for the alien doc. How much of a thing remains to be seen - even she has said so.

I'm giving the changes made to Andromeda the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but I don't have a good feeling about them. I've liked Robert Hewitt Wolfe since his days at Deep Space Nine. He was the reason I started watching Andromeda in the first place. The idea that he was forced out so that Kevin Sorbo's creative vision could take priority on the show is not a good sign - and I'm not just saying that because I don't like Kevin Sorbo's acting. Regardless of his talent, the fact remains that he is an actor whereas Robert Hewitt Wolfe is a writer. Having the stars guide the creative direction of a TV series only seems to work on sitcoms, where the stars are typically comedians who have already spent years writing their own material and performing on stage.

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[fell]

Sorry I missed the third female crewmember on Enterprise. I stopped watching it regularly when I found my eyes kept rolling at some of the lines and when I couldn't stop groaning over some of the overly obvious plot contrivances. That show has absolutely no edge to it, and the sets and characters are mostly drab.

When I compare it to Andromeda it makes me wonder if the people who make Enterprise ever watched anything on TV since the original Star Trek.

On another note, I thought the future Beka looked very Borg-like, what with the implants and all.

I hadn't heard anything about the Wolfe/Sorbo thing. I haven't followed any of the behind-the-scenes stuff. Surely they wouldn't allow an overly ambitious actor to ruin such a good show (I hope I hope I hope.)

I had recently thought about looking into who the writers are for Andromeda. I assumed there must be a guiding light behind it somewhere, like Joss is for Buffy. Also, the stories are varied enough that I assumed there must be a team of writers. While there's nothing all that scintillating about the dialog, neither does it distract or annoy.

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[alyholic]

i might be mistaken, but i think there's some subtext between jay & silent bob from kevin smith's amazing movies. silent bob seems to be in love with jay, and jay occasionally seems to be too. oh well. maybe it's just me.

alyholic

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Originally posted by alyholic:
i might be mistaken, but i think there's some subtext between jay & silent bob from kevin smith's amazing movies. silent bob seems to be in love with jay, and jay occasionally seems to be too. oh well. maybe it's just me.

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If you have seen Dogma (a movie I really love, its almost possible that it's Smith's bst), Rufus (played by Chris Rock) is asked by Jay to prove that he is from heaven by revealing something no-one else can possibly know. He tells Jay that he masturbates the most of anyone on the planet and that when he does it he thinks about guys. No real denial comes from Jay but Bob looks surprised and possibly happy.

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Originally posted by Tenetria:
I definitely thought Monica (on the X-Files) was going to turn out to be gay. The flirting in the birth episode was unreal.

Then when I heard Lucy Lawless was coming on the show, I thought for sure they would get involved, but of course that didn't happen.

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Before the season premiered in the US, I was reading all kinds of stuff about how Chris Carter thought of the possibility of making Monica a gay character and that some gay/lesbian groups really liked the idea. Anyway, the possibility of making Scully her girlfriend was mentioned, but then X-Files fans got really pissed off saying this would be out of character for her etc, and Chris Carter just dropped the idea.

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Friends, I always feel like I see something on Friends.

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I thought I was the only person to feel that! And it's always with Phoebe!

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Originally posted by Legs:
Before the season premiered in the US, I was reading all kinds of stuff about how Chris Carter thought of the possibility of making Monica a gay character and that some gay/lesbian groups really liked the idea. Anyway, the possibility of making Scully her fans got really pissed off saying this would be out of character for her etc, and Chris Carter just dropped the idea.

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Ummm, I very rarely watch X-Files, so I could be missing something, but when has Scully demonstrated an attraction to guys? Ok, there was a kiss or an almost-kiss or something with Mulder, but I don't know of her ever demonstrating a clear sexuality even suggesting she's straight much less excluding the possibility of her being bi. "Out of charcter"... Stupid fans...

Of course, there are different ways of introducing such a relationship and some might work better than others, but it's too bad he gave up on it. See, that's why Joss is a god; he doesn't care if fans object when he knows something is right.

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I thought I was the only person to feel that! And it's always with Phoebe!

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Kissing Rachel... the recent massage thing with Monica... She's got to be bi. (She also frequently drools over guys, remember, and it doesn't seem like she's just "covering".) I wish they'd have Phoebe date a girl sometime, even if it doesn't last (her relationships never do). They don't even have to show anything beyond public flirting, and of course casual references to the "great sex" they had...

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[Legs]

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Originally posted by Cipher:
Ummm, I very rarely watch X-Files, so I could be missing something, but when has Scully demonstrated an attraction to guys? "Out of charcter"... Stupid fans... (...)but it's too bad he gave up on it. See, that's why Joss is a god; he doesn't care if fans object when he knows something is right.

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Scully is the kinda character that in my opinion has always been above the mundane things lol! I mean, I could never really see her with anyone! She's like a door! A VERY sexy door (), true, but still a door. She never really demonstrate any kind of attraction towards anyone so... it could have been a chance. With all the things that happened when Scully was about to give birth, I really thought Chris would take this way... it's a shame he didn't.
YAY for Joss!! Some people might dislike his ideas at first, but they end up loving it!

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Kissing Rachel... the recent massage thing with Monica... She's got to be bi. (She also frequently drools over guys, remember, and it doesn't seem like she's just "covering".) I wish they'd have Phoebe date a girl sometime, even if it doesn't last (her relationships never do). They don't even have to show anything beyond public flirting, and of course casual references to the "great sex" they had...

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Oh my god! There was a massage thing with Monica? Here in Brazil we're about 5 eps behind the airing in the US ... So, now there's one more thing to add the list! And I was SO thinking of the Denise Richards episode when I said Phoebe is always the one making me think that! She's definitely bi.

And YES to Phoebe getting a girl!! It would be very funny! I can totally see her introducing her date to her friends at the Central Perk and while they all look kinda shocked, Joey asks if he can come and she says something like maybe later... lol

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[Zahir]

On the subject of Andromeda, I thought Rev Bem was a really cool character, and the Magog make Star Trek's Borg look like shoplifters ...

But the look of the show has always been too Buck-Rogers-ish, at times sinking to Lost-In-Space-age. Plus generally poor dialogue.

Yet the characters are cool, with lots of potential. Trance always intrigued me and I really like her new look--kinda hawkish. But methinks any slash fanfic writers are going to bemoan the loss of that prehensile tail (c'mondon'ttellmenooneelsethoughtofthat)!

Bekka's new look is cool, but I get anime flashbacks from Rommie's blue hair...

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Scully has been attracted to a few guys over the course of the show, though much like on Buffy, a high percentage of the people they they meet turn out to be weird monsters or something.

Which is not to say I don't see subtexty stuff with Reyes. Just that the few bits of sexuality they've ever bothered to get into with Scully (setting aside her presumptive feelings for Mulder, since the love they feel for each other is canonical but hideously convoluted like everything else on the show.) were with guys.

The big X-Files subtexty stuff as far as I can tell in the fandom, is Mulder/Skinner and Mulder/Krychek. One of the big problems being that before Reyes showed up, they rarely had other female cast for Scully to interact with anyway.

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Originally posted by nika:
I think there's nothing more subtexty than kid shows and catoons a few examples:

Bert & Ernie, pinky & brain, sponge bob & pat, bugs bunny...when he dressed up as girl elmer fudd couldn't help but drool, also bugs and daffy come on he let the duck ride on his back while burrowing their way down to romantic sunny locations on the globe, even if they did always make that wrong left turn in albaqurque... the tele tubbies not just the pink one all of them I say, velma from scooby-doo and fred with that ascott tsk-tsk bi at the very least...I know there are more that escape me at the moment.

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don't forget Ren and Stimpy! Stimpy was heartbroken bec. he was looking for his son who has left home (in the form of a fart - lol!) so he goes into this depression period for a long time. during Christmas, both Ren and Stimpy are under a mistletoe in the doorway, Stimpy's still sad abt his son not coming back, then Ren said to Stimpy 'look up' (to denote the mistletoe and for them to 'ahem' kiss) and Ren's eyes got this sexy look (lol) then Stimpy suddenly tells him: "is that all you ever think about?" so there! peace!

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Originally posted by Fuzz:

Do you remember that movie called " Bad girls " That have Drew Barrymore,Mary Stuart Masterson,Andy Mcdowell and Madeleine Stowe in it?Do you think there's subtext there?It's quite a long time ago,I already forgot between who and who but if you remember....
I think it's between Mary S. and Madeleine...if I'm not wrong.

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Thank god, I thought it was just me. Though I did watch this movie a few weeks after seeing Fried Green Tomatoes (which is defintely lacking w/o the lesbian storyline) and so I thought I was just imagining things again cause it was another Mary Stuart Materson film.

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I allway thought there was a bit of subtext with Chiana and Jool in "Farscape". Of course it could just be typical sci-fi titilation.

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Yeah, I've picked up a few vibes with Chiana and Jool (mostly the former) as well.

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Scully has been attracted to a few guys over the course of the show, though much like on Buffy, a high percentage of the people they they meet turn out to be weird monsters or something.

Which is not to say I don't see subtexty stuff with Reyes. Just that the few bits of sexuality they've ever bothered to get into with Scully (setting aside her presumptive feelings for Mulder, since the love they feel for each other is canonical but hideously convoluted like everything else on the show.) were with guys.

The big X-Files subtexty stuff as far as I can tell in the fandom, is Mulder/Skinner and Mulder/Krychek. One of the big problems being that before Reyes showed up, they rarely had other female cast for Scully to interact with anyway.

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posted February 15, 2002 23:00                Scully has been attracted to a few guys over the course of the show, though much like on Buffy, a high percentage of the people they they meet turn out to be weird monsters or something.

Which is not to say I don't see subtexty stuff with Reyes. Just that the few bits of sexuality they've ever bothered to get into with Scully (setting aside her presumptive feelings for Mulder, since the love they feel for each other is canonical but hideously convoluted like everything else on the show.) were with guys.

The big X-Files subtexty stuff as far as I can tell in the fandom, is Mulder/Skinner and Mulder/Krychek. One of the big problems being that before Reyes showed up, they rarely had other female cast for Scully to interact with anyway.

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Originally posted by nika:
I think there's nothing more subtexty than kid shows and catoons a few examples:

Bert & Ernie, pinky & brain, sponge bob & pat, bugs bunny...when he dressed up as girl elmer fudd couldn't help but drool, also bugs and daffy come on he let the duck ride on his back while burrowing their way down to romantic sunny locations on the globe, even if they did always make that wrong left turn in albaqurque... the tele tubbies not just the pink one all of them I say, velma from scooby-doo and fred with that ascott tsk-tsk bi at the very least...I know there are more that escape me at the moment.

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don't forget Ren and Stimpy! Stimpy was heartbroken bec. he was looking for his son who has left home (in the form of a fart - lol!) so he goes into this depression period for a long time. during Christmas, both Ren and Stimpy are under a mistletoe in the doorway, Stimpy's still sad abt his son not coming back, then Ren said to Stimpy 'look up' (to denote the mistletoe and for them to 'ahem' kiss) and Ren's eyes got this sexy look (lol) then Stimpy suddenly tells him: "is that all you ever think about?" so there! peace!

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Originally posted by nika:
I think there's nothing more subtexty than kid shows and catoons a few examples:

Bert & Ernie, pinky & brain, sponge bob & pat, bugs bunny...when he dressed up as girl elmer fudd couldn't help but drool, also bugs and daffy come on he let the duck ride on his back while burrowing their way down to romantic sunny locations on the globe, even if they did always make that wrong left turn in albaqurque... the tele tubbies not just the pink one all of them I say, velma from scooby-doo and fred with that ascott tsk-tsk bi at the very least...I know there are more that escape me at the moment.

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don't forget Ren and Stimpy! Stimpy was heartbroken bec. he was looking for his son who has left home (in the form of a fart - lol!) so he goes into this depression period for a long time. during Christmas, both Ren and Stimpy are under a mistletoe in the doorway, Stimpy's still sad abt his son not coming back, then Ren said to Stimpy 'look up' (to denote the mistletoe and for them to 'ahem' kiss) and Ren's eyes got this sexy look (lol) then Stimpy suddenly tells him: "is that all you ever think about?" so there! peace!

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Originally posted by Fuzz:

Do you remember that movie called " Bad girls " That have Drew Barrymore,Mary Stuart Masterson,Andy Mcdowell and Madeleine Stowe in it?Do you think there's subtext there?It's quite a long time ago,I already forgot between who and who but if you remember....
I think it's between Mary S. and Madeleine...if I'm not wrong.

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Thank god, I thought it was just me. Though I did watch this movie a few weeks after seeing Fried Green Tomatoes (which is defintely lacking w/o the lesbian storyline) and so I thought I was just imagining things again cause it was another Mary Stuart Materson film.

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Originally posted by Fuzz:

Do you remember that movie called " Bad girls " That have Drew Barrymore,Mary Stuart Masterson,Andy Mcdowell and Madeleine Stowe in it?Do you think there's subtext there?It's quite a long time ago,I already forgot between who and who but if you remember....
I think it's between Mary S. and Madeleine...if I'm not wrong.

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Thank god, I thought it was just me. Though I did watch this movie a few weeks after seeing Fried Green Tomatoes (which is defintely lacking w/o the lesbian storyline) and so I thought I was just imagining things again cause it was another Mary Stuart Materson film.

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I allway thought there was a bit of subtext with Chiana and Jool in "Farscape". Of course it could just be typical sci-fi titilation.

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Yeah, I've picked up a few vibes with Chiana and Jool (mostly the former) as well.

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posted February 20, 2002 11:16                Yeah, I've picked up a few vibes with Chiana and Jool (mostly the former) as well.

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[Hugin]

Scully has been attracted to a few guys over the course of the show, though much like on Buffy, a high percentage of the people they they meet turn out to be weird monsters or something.

Which is not to say I don't see subtexty stuff with Reyes. Just that the few bits of sexuality they've ever bothered to get into with Scully (setting aside her presumptive feelings for Mulder, since the love they feel for each other is canonical but hideously convoluted like everything else on the show.) were with guys.

The big X-Files subtexty stuff as far as I can tell in the fandom, is Mulder/Skinner and Mulder/Krychek. One of the big problems being that before Reyes showed up, they rarely had other female cast for Scully to interact with anyway.

-len

[eekiboo]

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Originally posted by nika:
I think there's nothing more subtexty than kid shows and catoons a few examples:

Bert & Ernie, pinky & brain, sponge bob & pat, bugs bunny...when he dressed up as girl elmer fudd couldn't help but drool, also bugs and daffy come on he let the duck ride on his back while burrowing their way down to romantic sunny locations on the globe, even if they did always make that wrong left turn in albaqurque... the tele tubbies not just the pink one all of them I say, velma from scooby-doo and fred with that ascott tsk-tsk bi at the very least...I know there are more that escape me at the moment.

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don't forget Ren and Stimpy! Stimpy was heartbroken bec. he was looking for his son who has left home (in the form of a fart - lol!) so he goes into this depression period for a long time. during Christmas, both Ren and Stimpy are under a mistletoe in the doorway, Stimpy's still sad abt his son not coming back, then Ren said to Stimpy 'look up' (to denote the mistletoe and for them to 'ahem' kiss) and Ren's eyes got this sexy look (lol) then Stimpy suddenly tells him: "is that all you ever think about?" so there! peace!

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Originally posted by Fuzz:

Do you remember that movie called " Bad girls " That have Drew Barrymore,Mary Stuart Masterson,Andy Mcdowell and Madeleine Stowe in it?Do you think there's subtext there?It's quite a long time ago,I already forgot between who and who but if you remember....
I think it's between Mary S. and Madeleine...if I'm not wrong.

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Thank god, I thought it was just me. Though I did watch this movie a few weeks after seeing Fried Green Tomatoes (which is defintely lacking w/o the lesbian storyline) and so I thought I was just imagining things again cause it was another Mary Stuart Materson film.

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I allway thought there was a bit of subtext with Chiana and Jool in "Farscape". Of course it could just be typical sci-fi titilation.

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"What the hell is your problem?" - Ozzy Osbourne to me, Feb. 1996

[Zahir]

Yeah, I've picked up a few vibes with Chiana and Jool (mostly the former) as well.

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"O let my name be in the Book of Love.
If it be there, I care not of
That other book Above...
Strike it out! Or write it in anew.
But let it be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kyam

[Wiccagrrl]

Ok, well, it's more maintext than sub (although not particularly sexual) but, I'm reading through Lord of the Rings, and Sam and Frodo. Aww. Their interaction is *so* sweet.

[Wonko]

Sam and Frodo is totally text, man - I mean even my mother picked up on that and she's old and crusty

Anyway, if it's not too weird to add gay subtext to a kids movie where the main characters have no obvious sexual organs, I think Mike and Sully from Monster's Inc had a thing going on. Mike's girlfriend was just for show.

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Little Johnny was a chemist;
Little Johnny is no more.
For what he thought was H2O was H2SO4.

[tarasfan]

Didn't Scully come across a lesbian character in the episode she wrote herself? Possibly in Season 6 toward the end.There was stuff going on with Scully in that episode for sure,it was allreally weird - does anyone remember it properly?

xoxo

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Amber – It’s the end of the cheese man

[Web Warlock]

Yeah she meets this physist turned holistic medicine woman. She has a girlfriend but is very friendly and touchy feely to Scully. Normally that would not even get a notice, save that GA wrote that episode herself. Also this ep is famous for Mulder's "pilgramege" to Graceland. Something we used to do in College.
Trust me, you don't know tacky till you have been to Graceland hungover!

Warlock.

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"What the hell is your problem?" - Ozzy Osbourne to me, Feb. 1996

[BBOvenGuy]

Okay, I'm finally getting caught up on all the TV shows I've got on tape, and last night I caught the latest new episode of Enterprise, which ran last week.

I know there were rumors aplenty over the summer that Lieutenant Reed, the Armory Officer, might become Trek's first gay character, but last week's episode pretty much obliterated that possibility. While stuck in a shuttle and thinking he was about to die, Reed recorded a bunch of farewell messages to old girlfriends and then went on a drunken ramble about how T'Pol has "a nice bum."

Ah well... You knew it would never happen, didn't you?

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Remember the Kitten Board Mantra: "Joss is nuts about Tara, Willow/Tara and Amber!"
(...and Marti's rather fond of them, too...)

[jitterbug]

Mulder went to Stonehenge in "all things" (the GA written ep). The 'pilgrimage' to Graceland was in "Never Again" I'm a veritable wellspring of completely useless XF knowledge!

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"Isn't it funny how slaying always makes you hungry and horny?"

[GODisTigger]

Never Again, the one with the evil tattoo with the voice of Jodie Foster.

D

[sportychik84]

maybe im the only one to watch this show, what about Boy Meets World,Cory's brother Eric and Shawn's brother. And even Cory's and Shawn's relationship has subtext.

[supermus]

I never noticed any E/S stuff in BMW, but I definately noticed something between Cory and Shawn. They had this whole episode where they "broke up" and said that they had been having trouble for a while and that they stayed together for the kids(in the class).

I was watching Malcolm in the Middle about an hour ago and I remembered the subtext I've always noticed between two of Malcolm's nerd friends. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about?
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Willow: Say, you all didn't happen to do a bunch of drugs, did ya?

Tara: Horsies!
Willow: Don't hit the horsies!
Buffy: We won't! (to giles) Aim for the horsies.

[This message has been edited by WillTara (edited February 24, 2002).]

[Hemiola*]

I couldn't find the old "subtext" thread, so I'm starting this afresh. Of course the mods should feel free to close and/or move it if necessary.

On last night's "Friends" repeat, Rachel's "hormone-induced eroticism" prompts Monica and Phoebe to talk about when the same thing happened to Phoebe during her pregnancy. I'm relying on memory, but something like the following exchange occurred--

Monica: I coulda had you if I wanted you.
Phoebe: You wish!
Rachel: Stop it, guys, this is starting to turn me on!

Oh my.....

*reposted by WillTara

[All4W/T]

Mercy with Ellen Barkin comes to mind, the scene in the kitchen, she wanted it but couldnt go thru with it and The Haunting with the lovely Catherine Zeta Jones and the other actress, whose name escapes me lol..Maybe not so subtle subtexts

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100%Les

[d_moonshadow]

If anyone has seen the movie "Ghost World" I thought there was at lease *some* subtext , at least in the beginning, between Thora Birch's character (Enid) and Scarlett Johansson's character (Rebecca).

Also, I believe the other female lead in "The Haunting" was Lili Taylor.

Meow

[Lanfear]

quote:

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Originally posted by Eyes Without A Face:
How about Ivanova and Talia (the commercial telepath) on Babylon 5? There was heavy chemistry between these characters. In fact, the way Ivanova used to reject any overture from Talia and insult her initially reminds me a little of what Buffy does to Spike nowadays. Of course, this never went far because Talia's implanted personality as a Psycorps spy was made to emerge by Lita.

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I read an interview with Claudia Christian (Susan Ivanova) where she said she was really bummed about the susan-talia relationships beeing dropped due to contract trouble or something along those lines, she said they'd be the first gay main char in a prime time tv show (mentioning it would be before ellen) or something like that.

And yeah, I noticed that in Ghost world to, the way they where together and then sort of broke up and all that.

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Willow: that was so beautiful, and you didnt even stutter once.
Tara: My heart doesnt stutter.quote:

[All4W/T]

Thank you d_Moonshadow, now that ive seen her name, it indeed rings a bell Lili Taylor also played a psuedo vampire of sorts in another movie, again the name escapes me lol..It was an independant film that had quite a different take on vampirism..But i digress the subject is lesbian subtexts..I shall go back to lurking..

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100%Les

[Dark Magic Willow]

I just saw Josie and the Pussycats on cable and there is subtext between all the pussy's but especially between Josie and Val. The boyfriend was just a cover IMOHO.