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SFX mag (feb.2002) : some thoughts about sex in BTVS

Postby Verbena » Fri Mar 01, 2002 3:28 am

I don't know if this article has been posted yet (if so, feel free to close this thread, mods), but here is a transcript of an article from the "Vampires Special" SFX Mag (feb.2002).
There are spoilers regarding BTVS season 6 and Angel season 3 (a note for non USA kittens).
The transcript isn't from me, so thanks to this anonymous source !
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The Buffy Sex Guide (SFX Vampire special)


IN THE BUFF

'Buffy' and 'Angel' aren't really shows about vampires and monsters.
They're about sex. Yup, sex! Didn't you know? Jayne Dearsley gets down to business...


"I could ride you at gallop until your legs buckled and your eyes rolled up. I've got muscles you'd never even dreamed of. I could squeeze you until I you popped like warm champagne and you'd beg me to hurt you just
a little bit more."

If you had to guess which popular american series this quote came from, which show would you go for: 'Sex And The City'... or 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer'? It might surprise some people to know that, minus the odd swear word, the talk in 'Buffy' is just as frank, just as smutty, and just as lewd as anything you'd hear from Sarah Jessica Parker or Kim Catrall.

'Buffy' and 'Angel' are obsessed with nookie, in all its shapes and forms. Since when did anyone on 'Sex And The City' almost boink themselves to death, a la Buffy and Riley? Or, like Spike, build themselves their very own "sexbot", with programmes including "kissing" and "positions"?

It's a well known fact that when Buffy and her pals were at Sunnydale High their adventures were metaphors for the struggle of growing up.
They fought monsters, battled evil and sat their exams at the same time, and their love lives were as tangled as any teenager's could possibly become. Now that they're adults the characters have become more
adventurous, and sex plays an even larger role than it did before. Just watch season six for proof. How about Tara singing that she's "spread beneath my Willow tree" in 'Once More with Feeling'? Or her very naughty play on words as she thrills, "You make me come... plete"? Dawn's been trying out the world of dating, and we won't even mention all the action that Buffy and Spike have been getting up to recently. The show has become a virtual sex education video, but far more fun than the ones we
were forced to watch in school.

There have been episodes of both 'Buffy' and 'Angel' that have focused almost solely on - as Spike would put it - "shaggin".
'Buffy' has "Surprise", "Where The Wild Things Are", "Harsh Light Of Day": and just
recently "Wrecked", "Smashed", "Gone" (we told you season six was pretty horny).
'Angel' contains all the episodes which featured Darla trying to seduce Angel, as well as "Reprise", which had its own very special consequence in the form of a wee little baby. These are programs in which sex isn't kept under the covers or merely hinted at; they recognise that diddling is a fact of life, and so they diddle away, just for our pleasure.

So, what are the show's writers trying to tell us, as they deluge their audience with all this wanton lust? First and foremost that our actions have consequences. Not in a preachy, "We're trying to show you guys that
sex is bad" manner, but in more of a "Sex can be fantastic, but it does change things" kind of way. Whenever characters can odle, you can guarantee that we won't forget what they've just done. Let's look at the
evidence:

We all know that Buffy loved Angel, and that whey did the deed he lost his soul and became the boyfriend from, quite literally, Hell. Not content with murdering Jenny Calendar, he tried to bring about the end
of world, and was stopped only when Buffy sent him to Hell. The shock was so severe that it took Buffy half a season to recover; and then, once he returned and they realised that they couldn't even be together again, Angel took of and founded his own series. All because of sex.

Next, to hammer our point home (if you pardon the double entendre), Buffy had a fling with Parker Abrams that shamed and humilated her, whilst her next boyfriend, Riley, turned out to be an asshole. The
organization he belonged to was also responsible for creating the Big Bad of season four, Adam, so she could thank him for that, too.

In the current season, as Buffy tries to deal with the fact that she was pulled out of heaven and brought back to life against her will, it seems that Spike is the only person who can help her. By having sex,
obviously. We've yet to discover the consequences this time round, although they're bound to be severe.

It isn't just Buffy who propels the storyline forward every time she does a naked lambada; the consequences of sex affect all the other characters, too. Faith used sex as a weapon, first by boffing Xander in "The Zeppo", then when she tried to kill him in "Consequences"; and finally when she bedded Riley whilst inhabiting Buffy's body in "Who Are You?" She also flirted outrageously with Angel and drove Buffy nuts.

Spike became so obsessively jealous of Angel and Drusilla's relationship that he betrayed them both to Buffy, whilst Oz had a fling with another werewolf and sent a depressed Willow into the arms of Tara. And that
relationship has had its consequences too: a mere two episodes after Willow gave Tara something to sing about (hovering above her bed, if you don't mind) they had a big barney about Willow using too much magic and
went their separate ways. If they'd just stuck to snogging maybe it wouldn't have happened, eh?

And where there's sex in 'Buffy', there are vampires (this is a Vampire Special after all). We've come a long way since Bela Lugosi played the Count with so much olde worlde charisma in 1931's 'Dracula'; the
vampires of the Buffyverse are just like you and me. They don't wear capes or have funny accents, and more often than not, they're bloody good looking. When Bram Soker wrote 'Dracula' he told of the vampire
sneaking into young women's bedrooms night after night - in Sunnydale they prefer to flirt with their victims at the Bronze before indulging their appetites. These vamps are indistinguishable from everybody else (Angel and Spike even manage to move around in daylight if they're careful), and that makes them all the more dangerous.

Not, however, that that stops them from becomong important romantic leads, wether they're good or bad. It's part of what makes 'Buffy' and 'Angel' special. The usual stereotypes have have been twisted and
manipulated into something brand new. These vampires aren't just one-sided killers. Angel's a big, soppy, lovelorn fool who's both a hero and a villain at the same time, whilst Spike is a total bastard with a
great talent for one-liners who's now join the good side of the Force.
Despite their otherworldly natures, these vampires are people you can identify with, because they don't just kill. They live lives like the rest of us, except with an iron-rich diet. Spike in particular has
emerged as one of the graetest characters on television.

Danger comes from many things in the Buffyverse, but you can bet your life than most of the time it's masculine. The audience's point of view is female simply because Buffy is the main character: the show is skewed to a woman's perspective of the world. Because of this, men are often
the most threatening things in it. When was the last time that you saw the Slayer face a female vampire (and Harmony doesn't count, because she's a rubbish baddie)? The Mayor turned into a giant snake - that's a snake, folks, in case the phallic imagery was lost on anyone out there. Adam killed people using a big spike that shot out from a part of his body (fnar!). Even Glory was a fella half the time, and we're all pretty convinced that the tower Buffy leapt off during "The Gift" was some sort of naughy signifier (but we won't delve too deeply on that one in case you think we're pushing it). If that wasn't enough, Willow paired up with a boy who became a raging killer during every full moon... and did we mention stakes being just a little bit suggestive?

Get the idea? Buffy. It's a sea of subliminal, anti-bloke propaganda. No wonder Willow shacked up with Tara. Here in lies yet another example of Buffy's open-minded approach to the world: this has to be the first American series to depict a real, solid, believable lesbian couple. There are no ratings-grabbing "I'm a lesbian this week!" smooches in 'Buffy', like there were on 'Ally McBeal' or 'ER'; oh, no. When Willow
and Tara had their first kiss it was buried within the tear-jerking seriousness of "The Body", and up until then their growing closeness was depicted with a touching lack of sensationalism. We really got the sense
that the two women weren't just heading towards sex, which is how most cinematic or televisual romances play out; they were, in fact, falling in love. Real, proper, no-holds-barred love, so strong that we didn't
need to see them do a horizontal fox-trot to understand where they were coming from.

The Willow/tara romance has been complemented on the internet by a huge
outpouring of slash fiction
. Yep - as if there wasn't enough sex on the telly, now you can do a quick search on your computer and find a bucketful of written hormonal cookery. Vieweres who aren't content with
the groinal action they've witnessed onscreen have sat down, en masse, and concocted a smorgasboard of pornography to put things right. Their works aren't just confined to female heroines, either. There are factions out there who feel strongly that Angel and Spike shoud be lovers, or Xander and Giles, or Wesley and Gunn... in fact, every combination you could possibly imagine has been explored, poked and prodded to life, many of them set in alternate universes where in which the characters live fully-formed homosexual existences. Even Doyle has been resurrected (or, to be more exact, didn't die at all) in order to
live an harmonious life with Angel. Not since 'The X-Files', or the little-seen-in Britain sci-fi show 'The Sentinel', has there been such an outpouring of fan fiction.

The latest season of Buffy has been showing a naughtier side of the pairing of Willow and Tara, although not quite as naughty as anything you'd see on the net. And, amazingly, it's become less shocking to see Willow and Tara share a bed when, on the other hand, Buffy is having such violent sex with Spike. Which seems the most normal relationship of the two? Thought-provoking stuff.

Buffy's first waltz with William the Bloody has to have been one of the most violent copulations ever committed to television. Their first "encounter" was a ground-shaking slugfest worthy of anything you'd see
in an WWF match, and the morning after was greeted by the words, "When did the house fall down?" Sex and violence have mingled so successfully on both 'Buffy' and 'Angel' that the two are virtually interchangeable.
When Angel finally relented and had a night of passion with Darla he threw her through a glass door, and yet she seemed to enjoy it - one of the benefits of being a vampire, we're led to believe. Drusilla and Spike liked it rough, although we didn't actually see much of their lovemaking; and as for the scene in "Graduation Day Part 2" in which
Angel bit Buffy... well, she might have been having her blood drained, but somehow she looked like something else was happening...

Obviously, much of the Buffyverse centres around fighting and killing bad creatures, so it's only to be expected that some of it shoud carry over into the character's private lives. It's been surprising however,
just how much violence we've seen, and how both shows have gotten away with it. True, scenes get trimmed when they air on British TV, but in the States they see it all: and their censors are even more jumpy than
ours. So what's going on?

It's simple. People still don't believe that 'Buffy' and 'Angel' are shows for adults. You can tell them that both shows contain graphic sex, naughty language, near-the-knuckle violence and genuinely disturbing
imagery, but they won't believe it. Call a show 'Sex And The City' and you know exactly what you're in for; name it 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' and you'll throw the most dedicated moral guardian off the scent.

Thank goodness they didn't call the show 'Buffy The Vampire Layer'...


FACE THE CONSEQUENCES


Whenever somebody has sex in the Buffyverse there's hell to pay. Here are some examples of how making the beast with two backs led to tears before bedtime...

Let's start with the most obvious: Angel and Buffy's first sexual liaison resulted in Angel losing his soul, turning into Angelus and killing half of Sunnydale ("Innocence/ Surprise").

Angel and Buffy's second sexual liaison was followed by Angel having to give up his humanity and Buffy forgetting the whole thing (Angel - "I Will Remember You").

Buffy's next beau, Parker, dumped her unceremoniously after a night of passion, much to Spike's delight ("Harsh Light Of Day").

And if that wasn't enough, Buffy's next conquest - Riley - was a super-powered human fighting machine who developped an unhealthy
interest in having his blood supped by female vampires ("Into the Woods").

"Where The Wild Things Are" hammered the "sex is sometimes bad, kids" message home as the Buffster and Riley almost died whilst doin'it.

Enough of Buffy! When Willow and Oz finally tangoed they were faced almost immediately afterwards by the Ascension and and a very large snake. Phallic imagery, anyone? ("Graduation Day").

When Tara - after spending time with Willow - bumped into Oz, he smelled his ex-girlfriend scent all over her. The result? The jealous fella turned into a wolf and tried to eat her. Of course! ("New Moon Rising")

Poor Giles only had to have a whiff of any action for things to turn bad. He was onto a promise with Jenny Calendar... but before anything could happen she was murdered by Angel. The bastard. ("Passion")

Xander was nearly killed by an out-of control Faith after she threw him onto a bed and tried to strangle him... in a weird replay of their sexual shenanigans in the very same bed ("The Zeppo"/"Consequences")

Spike and Drusilla spent a lot of in bed. And look how evil they were.
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That's all, kittens ! Well, this was an interesting article, even if it could have mentioned the "Flaming o'spell" too...

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SFX mag (feb.2002) : some thoughts about sex in BTVS

Postby Dr.G » Fri Mar 01, 2002 7:01 am

Thanks for posting this Verbena, and thanks to whomever transcribed it.
I don't have much time so I skipped most of it and homed in on the bold parts. The first part made me want to slap my screen actually. Willow was *not* depressed when she met Tara, I hate the inference that her being depressed would somehow drive her into the arms of a woman, but then the other bolded parts are actually quite nice, so I am somewhat torn between liking it and being pissed off. I'll read the whole thing more closely when I get back from work.
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SFX mag (feb.2002) : some thoughts about sex in BTVS

Postby Hugin » Fri Mar 01, 2002 7:49 am

Well, the inference that Willow fell in love with Tara because she was depressed is silly. But considering Hush came right after Something Blue, I wouldn't take issue with the idea that Willow was feeling pretty down about her love life around the time she met Tara, and welcomed a new friend/admirer. The writer doesn't get the spontanious electricity between them in the laundry room scene though, that had nothing to do with psychology. And the writer doesn't get how long and delicate the process was between that first moment of connection, and Willow really embracing and articulating full on the depth of her feelings for Tara, she wasn't presented as a post-breakup grief reaction rebound lover at all. There's a difference between the good fortune of having someone amazing come into your life when things seem grey and sad, and throwing yourself at whoever will take you to ease a period of emotional pain.

-len

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SFX mag (feb.2002) : some thoughts about sex in BTVS

Postby Verbena » Fri Mar 01, 2002 7:56 am

I understand your concerns, Dr.G : I am not either convinced that Willow was still depressed when she met Tara ; and we all agree here to say that Tara is not some consolation prize for Willow after she lost Oz : she chose Tara not knowing that Oz would leave !
But I posted the whole article just for you kitties can read it, and I highlighted the W/T nice bits as they are the most interesting things for us, who are Kittens (patriotic hymn, happy snoopy dance, and all that ).
I am sorry if I posted something that pissed you off ; I didn't mean to.

Hugs for the pissed-off Dr.G


Editing to say that Hugin said all that I wanted to add, much better than I would (and earlier - maybe it has something to do with some Mods Celerity Super-Powers)

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Postby Dr.G » Fri Mar 01, 2002 8:01 am

Agreed Len, but I still take issue with the use of the word depressed, because when someone who does not know the show or W/T as well as we do, or who is biased against W/T as it is, were to read that it would very much give the wrong impression, but I feel this:

quote:

When Willow
and Tara had their first kiss it was buried within the tear-jerking seriousness of "The Body", and up until then their growing closeness was depicted with a touching lack of sensationalism. We really got the sense
that the two women weren't just heading towards sex, which is how most cinematic or televisual romances play out; they were, in fact, falling in love. Real, proper, no-holds-barred love, so strong that we didn't
need to see them do a horizontal fox-trot to understand where they were coming from.

makes up for it. I would not use the word depressed for another reason as well, she might have been feeling blue, but actual depression is a very nasty illness, but I may be reading too much into that, depressed can describe a temporary state of mind I guess, not just the clinical illness, I'm Dutch heh heh, still, as it is Willow did not particularly strike me so in Hush.

Editing to add: Verbena, thanks for the hugs but not to worry, I piss off easily sometimes, but I am just hissing not scratching. Thanks again for posting this. I love the quote I posted, that is most important I think.


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SFX mag (feb.2002) : some thoughts about sex in BTVS

Postby xita » Fri Mar 01, 2002 8:08 am

I remember having long conversations about Tara being a rebound initially, but I think that we came to a conclusion that because Tara was a woman and because Willow had never considered it, it fell outside of reboundness. Willow didn't latch on to Tara because she was expecting some lovin in return, remember it was something she wasn't looking for, she just fell in love.

Which brings me to the 2 parts I did like about this article:

quote:

There are no ratings-grabbing "I'm a lesbian this week!" smooches in 'Buffy', like there were on 'Ally McBeal' or 'ER'; oh, no. When Willow and Tara had their first kiss it was buried within the tear-jerking seriousness of "The Body", and up until then their growing closeness was depicted with a touching lack of sensationalism. We really got the sense that the two women weren't just heading towards sex, which is how most cinematic or televisual romances play out; they were, in fact, falling in love. Real, proper, no-holds-barred love, so strong that we didn't need to see them do a horizontal fox-trot to understand where they were coming from.

See that is why I love W/T and why I think they are such important gay characters, it wasn't about a goal (sex) it was about falling in love. And that's really what it means to be gay for me, falling in love with a person of the same gender (course sex is lovely, don't get me wrong).

The other thing I liked:

quote:
The latest season of Buffy has been showing a naughtier side of the pairing of Willow and Tara, although not quite as naughty as anything you'd see on the net. And, amazingly, it's become less shocking to see Willow and Tara share a bed when, on the other hand, Buffy is having such violent sex with Spike. Which seems the most normal relationship of the two? Thought-provoking stuff.

I have hope that we will get more graphic lovin from our girls one day because precisely because of this.
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SFX mag (feb.2002) : some thoughts about sex in BTVS

Postby tommo » Fri Mar 01, 2002 8:28 am

Yeah, I really liked some of the stuff in this article, but you know, the word "normal" when trying to contexualise Willow and Tara's relationship kind of ticked me off a bit. I understand why the word was used, I just think it's kind of saying things subliminally that I don't want to hear.

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SFX mag (feb.2002) : some thoughts about sex in BTVS

Postby Dazey » Fri Mar 01, 2002 4:34 pm

Like everyone else, I thought there were some good things in this article, which have already been pointed out. Mostly though it pissed me off, beginning with the writer calling Riley an asshole without offering a clue as to why.

Then the W/T stuff...few things make me angrier than the suggestion that Willow turned to Tara because Oz cheated on her and left her. It's the same old thing, women become lesbians because men are jerks. It really. pisses. me off. And am I crazy or, in the same paragraph, does the writer intimate that OMWF was the first time that W/T had sex? Reads that way to me. I don't think this person watches the show very carefully, especially since she also claims the W/T breakup occurred two eps after the Floating O, when in fact it was the very next ep. I have no respect for journalists who can't get their facts straight. So to speak.

I was also annoyed by this: "...the show is skewed to a woman's perspective of the world. Because of this, men are often the most threatening things in it. When was the last time that you saw the Slayer face a female vampire (and Harmony doesn't count, because she's a rubbish baddie)? Even Glory was a fella half the time...."

Not that I even disagree with the thesis here, but A) Harmony was not "rubbish"; she nearly killed Xander, and Buffy was not laughing when she found out that Dawn had invited Harmony in. B) There are rarely notable vamp villains anymore, male or female, but what about Sunday? And C) Discounting Glory because she "was a fella half the time"? Please. This is crap writing.

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Postby Eyes Without A Face » Fri Mar 01, 2002 5:11 pm

Nice article.

"whilst Oz had a fling with another werewolf and sent a depressed Willow into the arms of Tara."

"few things make me angrier than the suggestion that Willow turned to Tara because Oz cheated on her and left her. It's the same old thing, women become lesbians because men are jerks."

Dazey,

Maybe the author just means that were it not for Oz getting an epiphany from his encounter with Veruca and then leaving for a while, there is a good chance that Willow and him would still be together. One must remember that they were very happy as a couple at that time and when one is happy in a relationship, one generally does not look elsewhere or might not even notice subtle advances from a third party if they are made at all (the third party, particularly when it is someone with a high moral compass like Tara, may not be inclined to try and break up an existing happy couple). In that respect, purely from a mechanistic/logistical point of view, the fact that Willow was alone at the time did indeed make it easier for the connection with Tara to occur and develop. from a historical perspective, there was a window of opportunity.

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Postby Dazey » Fri Mar 01, 2002 5:30 pm

Eyes--

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but we've discussed that topic before--the thread(s) is/are probably still around--and my opinion is that W/T would have happened even if Oz had stayed.

And regardless of what the author "meant", the way it reads to me is...well, what I said.

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SFX mag (feb.2002) : some thoughts about sex in BTVS

Postby Eyes Without A Face » Fri Mar 01, 2002 5:44 pm

I concede that my judgement and opinion in this matter are most definitely conjectural and have little relevance to current events in the Buffyverse. In that respect, they are more an intellectual exercise than anything else. What is real, not conjecture, is the fact that first contact was indeed established and that the love that ensued is of the deepest quality, a treasure for our viewing pleasure.

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