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Postby Lisa of Nine » Sun May 12, 2002 7:32 pm

Okay,
here is a list of sponsors I gathered for the Sacramento area. It's from the two hour Buffy event that was hosted by 'the Rock.' I listed the approximate times they ran.

I've been emailing and surfing to get the contacts, but I think I am going to focus on mailing FOX. I was told by a VERY RELIABLE SOURCE connected with this that we should mail FOX, but I listed the sponsors for those who want them below.

I STRONGLY urge you to contact FOX. (This is address is from page one)

Gail Berman
Fox Broadcasting Entertainment President
Fox Headquarters
10201 West Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA. 90035

You can also contact the Buffy Producers. (This address is from my local UPN affiliate.)

20th Television
"Buffy" Producers
P.O. Box 900
Beverly Hills, CA 90213


I have the contact information I gathered so far listed at the bottom.
Lisa

ADVERTISMENTS:
7:57
Arrowhead mountain spring water
Acura (owned by Honda)

sacramento county well baby
movie universal pictures- the scorpion king
8:03
movie:the new guy
mabelline- wet shine (Laboratoires Garnier)
gatorade
honda- hybrid
johnson &johnson bedtime bath
sprint PCS
roswell
8:17
Mitsubishi- Lancer
wendy's
verizon wireless
payless shoes
movie universal pictures- the scorpion king
slimfast
local programing UPN31 'just shoot me'
Black Angus
Volkswagen
8:32
movie-Jason X
acuvue 2 (Johnson & Johnson) first response- early pregnancy test
snapple
saturn cars
clearasil (covergirl- protor & Gamble)
UPN local programming
toyota
sac county well baby
8:46
thetruth.com
america's cotton producers
k-swiss
movie 20th century fox- life or something like it
mitsubishi eclispe
UPN local programming
dodge

8:57
snapple
movie sony pictures- spiderman
wendy's
california milk advisory real cal cheese
8:59
movie the scorpion king
9:04
McDonald's
clearasil (covergirl- protor & Gamble)
nintendo games systems
honda
maybelline wet shine
state-fair corn dogs / ball park franks
navy.com& movie 20th century fox- behind enemy lines
McDonald's
UPN local programming

9:19
Johnson & Johnson bedtime bath
Burger king
First response early preg test
Mitsubishi lancer
Clairol natural instincts hair
Maybelline
starburst
black angus
chevrolet
9:33
movie scorpion king
sprint PCS
herbal essence hair color- clairol
hot pockets
thetruth.com
got milk
maybelline
subway
UPN local programming
Chrysler
Foster farms
9:45
Jason X movie
snapple
Subway
Mitsubishi
AT&T
acuvue 2 (Johnson & Johnson) Arrowhead spring water
UPN local programming
9:55
verizon
nintendo game systems
snapple
UPN local
roswell
Mervyn's
Isuzu

CONTACTS:

ACURA (Please contact American Honda's corporate offices at 310-783-2000
and ask to speak to someone in the PR or Marketing departments.)
Or, you can mail:
American Honda Motor Co.
Acura Division
1919 Torrance Blvd.
Torrance, CA 90501-2746

johnson &johnson bedtime bath
www.jnj.com/feedback.html

acuvue 2 (Johnson & Johnson) www.jnj.com/feedback.html

first response- early pregnancy test www.1stresponse.com/
(No email)

snapple www.cadburyschweppes.com/...index.html

saturn cars www.saturnbp.com/talk_to_us/

clearasil (covergirl- protor & Gamble)
www.pg.com/contact_us/con...cludes/ltb

k-swiss
www.kswiss.com/cgi-bin/ks...A3#contact

Johnson & Johnson bedtime bath www.jnj.com/feedback.html
Lisa of Nine
 


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Postby relativegirl » Mon May 13, 2002 8:38 am

Lisa's absolutely right. If you write only one letter, send only one postcard or email, send it to Fox. Send it to Gail Berman, her name's on every Buffy episode ever created and she's the head of the TV division at Fox.

Fox is where the money is. Fox is Joss' boss. Not just on Buffy, but on Angel and Firefly. Fox is Marti's boss, not just on Buffy but on her new development deal.

Fox owns all of the intellectual property associated with the show. Fox owns the backend. Joss may receive points off the backend, but Fox receives the lion's share. Fox is the one that stands to lose the most if the show is tarnished. Fox has a vested, economic reason to care.

If you send 2 letters, send them to Fox and UPN. If UPN has to accept lower rates for ads on next season's Buffy b/c ratings are down and people are publically criticizing the show, UPN may end up paying more per episode then it can make per episode. When profits fall, people lose their jobs.

If you send 3 letters, by all means send one to ME. But don't squander an opportunity.
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Postby xita » Sun May 26, 2002 9:10 pm

I am told the official UPN Buffy posting board is a good place to post:
www.buffy.com/bronze_home.shtml

I have read the upn suits and the media follow the official board and that they have in house 'moles' posting there to try and promote the show and quell negative
feedback. It would be good to repost your rants there.

Also, zap2it is a good place to send feedback regarding their feelings
on the O'Hare piece and this years buffy. This would be the recent Marti Noxon
"interview." where we are told to keep watching.
feedback@zap2it.com

zap2it.com
sci fi news
Buffy's Annus Horribilis
Mon, May 20, 2002 12:52 PM PDT
by Kate O'Hare

Also go here and leave your feedback on this brilliant article also from zap2it:

tv.zap2it.com/shows/featu...html?25998
xita
 


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Postby Repost Moderator » Sun May 26, 2002 9:14 pm

[b:d9aefa5e93] originally posted by tyche[/b:d9aefa5e93]


The IMDb has user comments for TV shows - if you're registered over there, it might be a good idea to post your opinion on the season \
fiasco .. sorry, finale.
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Postby Repost Moderator » Sun May 26, 2002 9:15 pm

[b:d6499c1444] originally posted by lipkandy[/b:d6499c1444]

salon.com/ent/tv/feature/...index.html

salon.com has had amazing articles on buffy for years, but their take on the last episode is a bit, um, questionable. not to mention that they get some basic buffy facts wrong (they didn't seem to get that Vamp Willow was a separate character from an alternate universe). there's a link to write letters to the editor in response...
and as one of the most liberal zines around, they really should present an alternate take on the season finale/w/t debacle -- imho anyway
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Postby Repost Moderator » Sun May 26, 2002 9:19 pm

[b:1eaa8effd7] originally posted by rally[/b:1eaa8effd7]

TV Guide, being that it often hypes Buffy, is probably a good media resource to contact.

Tvguide.com Contact Page
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Postby Repost Moderator » Sun May 26, 2002 9:20 pm

[b:4225b022b4] originally posted by lisa of nine[/b:4225b022b4]

ABC's Nightline has been running a pro-gay series all week called "A matter of choice." Last night they spoke with gay teens who talks about the difficulties of growing up gay.

I emailed Nightline and asked them to look into the media portrayal of gays, and specifically M.E. I gave a brief explanation, complete with quotes.

I urge everyone to do the same. Maybe someone will write a request in just the right way and we could get national coverage. ABC has been good to gays in the past. I've included the contact page for all their news shows. Maybe we'll get lucky.

*edited to add this info!

Here is the infor on the The National Lesbian & Gay Journalists Association.

NLGJA
1420 K Street, NW
Suite 910
Washington, DC 20005
202.588.9888 tel
202.588.1818 fax
info@nlgja.org

website:
www.nlgja.org/

Here is a list of awards given for gay related media coverage:
www.nlgja.org/news/news_eja2001.html

These people should at least listen.

and here is the GLADD REPORTING PAGE FOR NEGATIVE PORTRAYALS!
Here is the place to report out complaints.

www.glaad.org/org/report.html
Lisa

Here is the page with ALL the ABC show contacts:

abcnews.go.com/service/he...ntact.html

Here is just the Nightline contact page:
abcnews.go.com/sections/n..._form.html
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Postby Repost Moderator » Sun May 26, 2002 9:24 pm

[b:d115f30361] originallly posted by Lonewolf22[/b:d115f30361]

I didn't know where to post this, and if the mods wanna close this or move this to another thread OK, but I just need to say this.

About Tara/Amber being on the show next season, I mean this just cannot be the end. It's not fair, to Tara, to Amber, to us, we need see Willow and Tara together and happy, I don't know what to do anymore. What the hell is Joss thinking.

There has to be more we can do to get Amber back on the show, more petitions we can sign, more letters to send to Joss and ME, there just has to be something more.

I hate this, I mean I really hate this, the thought of not seeing Tara with Willow anymore is just to sad to thing about.

I'm sorry for venting like this, but its just that I want Willow and Tara to be happy, I mean they deserve

to be together and happy.

Lonewolf
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Postby emma peel » Mon May 27, 2002 6:17 am

Just a question that I haven't seen addressed.(Mods,please feel free to move or edit this).

What is the most effective way to contact any of these people,the lists of which you guys have so kindly been providing? I intend to start writing (in a respectful manner even though I'm upset/pissed/depressed/sad ).

If a letter,should I send it priority with delivery confirmation?(I hate return receipts!!).If there's an address, e-mail and fax,should I do all three? I don't want to spin my wheels by duplicating efforts,but am getting so confused as the rollercoaster ride still continues for me.

I do want to write Joss (respectfully,of course),just to let him know what reactions his little "plot device" has caused to rise up in my consciousness.:(

Janice
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Postby hilarita » Mon May 27, 2002 10:44 am

and the list just keeps growing. :)

ive been adding stuff so check every now and then. write to anyone you havent written to, or write them again.




[b:0164b355b4] E-MAIL LIST[/b:0164b355b4]
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this is my master-email-list-of-death. enjoy.

[b:0164b355b4] Organizations for gay/lesbian interests:[/b:0164b355b4]

GLAAD

glaad@glaad.org

GLSEN (gay, lesbian and straight education network-commited to making secondary schools safer for gay/lesbian students)

glsen@glsen.org

LAMDA GLBT (non-profit org for reducing homophobia, has a special interest in youth outreach)

online form
www.lambda.org/

NLGJA (nat. journalism association)

info@nlgja.org

NGLTF (nat. task force)

ljean@ngltf.org (ex. director)
bgressler@ngltf.org (public affairs, has media relations on her resume, she might be the one to email)

[b:0164b355b4] Gay and lesbian media[/b:0164b355b4]
taken from Lisa's Gay Media Database link

Out Magazine

letters@out.com

The Advocate (magazine)

letters@advocate.com

Alternative Family Magazine

ktaylor@altfammag.com

Curve (lesbian circulation)

curvemag@aol.com, editor@curvemag.com

Gay Parent Magazine

info@gayparentmag.com

Girlfriends Monthly

editorial@girlfriendsmag.com

Lesbian news

online form
www.lesbiannews.com/Pages...ditor.html

News Watch (dedicated to getting more minority, including g/l, press)

newsproj@mindspring.com

the Triangle Network

info@triangletelevisionnetwork.com
webmaster@triangletelevisionnetwork.com

Tampa Bay Coalition (Florida based news org.)

info@tampabaycoalition.com

365Gay.com (online news site)

editor@365gay.com

[b:0164b355b4] Online communities[/b:0164b355b4]

Nerve.com (general site for creative efforts like essays, fic, photography about sex, very g/l friendly. also, tons of people are members, gay/straight alike. theyve praised the w/t relationship before)

info@nerve.com

LesbiaNation (online community)

editor@lesbianation.com

Rainbownetwork (another online community)

feedback@rainbownetwork.com

Data Lounge (online community/news place)

editorial@datalounge.com

gayagenda.com (search engine and online community)

webmaster@gayagenda.com

[b:0164b355b4] General media[/b:0164b355b4]

Salon.com (they are already talking about us, so...)

aoh@salon.com (this is the arts editor)
szacharek@salon.com (shes written most of the buffy articles i think)

the NY Times (eh...cant hurt)

letters@nytimes.com

Entertainment weekly

letters@ew.com

Hollywood Reporter (Euro)

rbennett@eu.hollywoodreporter.com

Official BtVS Magazine (UK)

buffymail@titanemail.com

Popmatters (online magazine)

editor@popmatters.com

TV Guide online form

www.tvguide.com/about/contact.asp

Wanda at E!Online

wanda@eonline.com

SciFi Weekly

scifiweekly@scifi.com (must include full name and write from an active email account)

NOW

now@now.org

San Francisco Bay Guardian

ac_thompson@sfbg.com (media reporter)
letters@sfbg.com (letters to the editor)

Center for Media and Public Affairs (about media fairness, etc)

www.cmpa.com/contact.htm

Mediachannel.org (deals with social impact of media)

editor@mediachannel.org


[b:0164b355b4] SNAIL MAIL[/b:0164b355b4]
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FOX

Gail Berman
Fox Broadcasting Entertainment President
Fox Headquarters
10201 West Pico Blvd
Los Angeles CA
90035.

FOX Producers

P.O. Box 900
Beverly Hills, CA 90213
Telephone: (310) 369-1000

UPN

Dawn Tarnofsky-Ostroff, President
United Paramount Network
11800 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90025

ME

Joss Whedon, President
Mutant Enemy, Inc.
1800 Stewart Street
Second Floor
Santa Monica, CA 90404

[b:0164b355b4] General media[/b:0164b355b4]

Hollywood Reporter
Editorial Dept.
5055 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90036-4396

The Hollywood Reporter - European Bureau
Ray Bennett, Bureau Chief
Endeavour House
189 Shaftesbury Ave.
London WC2H 8TJ

Variety / Daily Variety
Editorial Dept.
5700 Wilshire Boulevard
Suite 120
Los Angeles, CA 90036

Variety - London
Editorial Dept.
84 Theobald's Road
London WC1X 8RR
United Kingdom

Buffy the Vampire Slayer magazine
Titan Magazines
144 Southwark Street
London SE1 0UP
England

Buffy Magazine
Titan Magazines
PMB #1-296
8205 Santa Monica Blvd
West Hollywood, CA 90046-5977

Center for Media and Public Affairs
2100 L St., NW Suite 300
Washington, DC 20037

[b:0164b355b4] Gay/Lesbian Organizations[/b:0164b355b4]

NLGJA (nat. journal association)
1420 K Street, NW
Suite 910
Washington, DC 20005

[b:0164b355b4] Other [/b:0164b355b4]

NOW
National Organization for Women
733 15th Street NW, 2nd floor
Washington, D.C. 20005


[b:0164b355b4] FAX[/b:0164b355b4]
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Gail Berman, EP of Buffy and Progamming President of Fox.

310-969-0546

Hollywood Reporter (editorial)

us:323.525.2377
uk:44-20-7420-6054

Variety (editorial)

us:323.857.0494
uk:44-20-7611-4580

BtVS Magazine (UK)

+44 (0)207 803 1803

NLGJA

202.588.1818

NOW

(202) 785-8576

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will keep adding as i find them at the bottom of each category, so check it once in a while.

hilary

.
hilarita
 


We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby drusilla(d) » Mon May 27, 2002 7:47 pm

Well thank you everyone for giving out address's. I have sent out my letters and not that it will do any good, but i put in my 2 cents in.
drusilla(d)
 


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Postby hilarita » Tue May 28, 2002 2:29 pm

i wouldnt be surprised if people do notice. two of the online communities (rainbownetwork and LesbiaNation) have already put up stories about how BtVS used the cliche recklessly. ive gotten feedback from zap2it and popmatters from people preparing to write articles on this subject. emailing doesnt take too much energy- i encourage everyone to send in their thoughts, so long as they are repectful. especially to places like EW and TV guide...they wont pay attention unless they get a certain number of letters about a subject, so the more, the merrier.

the article from rainbownetwork:

www.rainbownetwork.com/co...atid=12242

the article in mediablender at lesbianation:

www.lesbianation.com/arti...4&id=10414
hilarita
 


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Postby helpful information perha » Tue May 28, 2002 3:53 pm

I've been told by others in the know that studios consider the opinion of someone who writes a letter and mails it to them to represent the opinion of at least 100 people, while they take an email to represent an individuals opinion alone. Bottom line print out your responses and mail them as well as email them.

I'd like to suggest those organizing things here comb through the addresses provided in this thread, put them into one place and prioritize them under headers for studio suits, advertisers and media outlets

That way we know who is most important to get our letters off to first and we we can keep tabs on who we've written (as well as check off media that have responded with articles)

I'd also suggest we keep a running list of media who do pieces on buffy. We can send letters to the editors for the ones that "don't get it" presenting our opinions in hope they include them in their letters section. and we can fax the articles that do "get it" to FOX/UPN so they know the word is "out there" and spreading

media that have run pieces now include:
_______
www.camprehoboth.com/issu...ntcamp.htm
Heterosexuality Wins
Kristen Minor

I recently rented a copy of the movie The Children's Hour, a 1961 film adaptation of a play where Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacLaine play two women who run a school. Long story short, MacLaine's character declares her love for Hepburn's and ends up killing herself in shame while Hepburn hooks up with a tall and swarthy man.
The message is clear: Lesbianism causes pain, suffering, and death.
Heterosexuality wins.

Vito Russo, in his excellent work The Celluloid Closet, notes that lesbian couples on film and television are generally divided into two categories.
You have the Irredeemable Lesbian-generally the "butch" one. It goes without saying that she is the seducer and the predator. Her target is the Innocent. That would be the feminine one, who has been sucked into the sinful glamour of lesbianism.

There are two endings to this story: Irredeemable is killed off or suffers some other tragic fate, while Innocent goes into a murderous rage or fall into the arms of a tall and swarthy man. It's either rage against heterosexuality or heterosexuality being the rage. Such endings ignore the existence of bisexuality, which is of course just a plot device to crank up ratings. This week on the WB: A female lead kisses a girl and then goes back to boys after a full ten minutes of confusion. Tune in!
The evil, dead, and suffering lesbian cliche is a traditional subset of the generic minority cliche, best summed up by "the black guy always dies." For variation, he is also permitted to be a drug dealer or best friend once in awhile.

Why are minorities evil beings who are made to suffer? Hatred. We're being put in our place. We can scream until we are blue in the face about how virtually every minority character is a ridiculous clich without a meaningful role. The traditional response from the powers that be is, "But they are there! What more do you uppity people want?"
We'd like to live, for starters.

The disturbing impression that I was left with after watching The Children's Hour is that decades later little has changed. Exhibit A: The television series Buffy the Vampire Slayer which just last week killed off lesbian witch Tara (Irredeemable), sending her lover Willow (who has dated men, making her the Innocent) to go on a murderous rampage. So much for innocence. This was, incidentally, the episode where the two characters were shown in bed naked together and kissed throughout the episode. For those of you in the back that missed the point, here it is: lesbian sex is a cardinal sin that leads to death. In the interest of being inclusive, I should mention that gay men are hardly excluded from this misery-my personal favorite homo boy offing was Sal Mineo in Rebel Without A Cause, who spent the entire movie moony-eyed at James Dean. Men, take note: crushes on James Dean will kill you.

Consider a few other recent films. Lost and Delirious ends with the Irredeemable attempting to do a falcon impression off of a building. Mullholland Drive has a lesbian killing off her ex that left her for a man. Kissing Jessica Stein, currently in theaters, does an admirable job of avoiding stereotypes up until the very end of the movie, where a character says that the breakup of her relationship with a woman was caused by her inability to be "gay enough."
There you have it, folks-an invalidation of bisexuality where the innocent jumps back to the boys.

Aside from Buffy other television shows that have featured lesbian death and/or misery as of late include 24, ER, All My Children, and Boston Public. The list of both television and movie evil, dead, and suffering lesbians could go on for pages.

Those of you with a little free time can have great (okay, it's depressing) fun with a marathon of lesbian death scenes. I would recommend starting off with Basic Instinct, where Sharon Stone's girlfriend is killed in a car crash and her ex-girlfriend is shot to death. Stone herself is a cold-blooded killer who also ends up with a man. This provides a nice two-in-one clich combo, with the added bonus that every single queer woman in the film is deeply psychotic.

The marathon should end with a screening of The Fox, where the Irredeemable lesbian is killed. By a tree. That falls between her legs. With a death like that, how could her lover not go back to boys?

Researching this column has been a revelation. I realize now that I can never be happy, nor will any of my relationships work out. I am a weak, sick, and pathetic predator who deserves the pity of the heterosexual world, which should make every effort to save and redeem me. The same goes for all gay people.

Lesbianism causes pain, suffering, and death. We get it.

Kristen Minor is a member of the class of 2004 at Dartmouth College, where she is a happy, well-adjusted, and avowed lesbian who stays away from trees. She can be reached at kristen@youth-guard.org.

_______
www.lesbianation.com/arti...4&id=10414
BUFFY FINALE, FINALLY

Lots of you have been writing in voicing your disappointment with the direction the creators of Buffy the Vampire the Slayer decided to take the show this year. I can't help but agree with you. I was glad that dr lloydhad written in to us with some warnings, so we would have some idea of what to expect. I personally was shocked when they killed Tara; she was the nicest character left.
Some readers feel that Tara and Willow were made out to be a lesbian cliche. Stonhbr writes: "Tara was senselessly killed in front of her lover (after they had recently made love and kissed) and Willow became evil, eventually killing a man and turning on her friends. Thus, they clearly sent the message that, yet again, lesbian love+sex=death+evilness.

What was especially devastating about this development was that Willow and Tara represented the only happy, relatively healthy lesbian relationship on television and many gay viewers looked to them as role models. Joss Whedon knew this, yet chose to act in a totally irresponsible manner."

hilary clay adds: "Hollywood has a long standing history of either killing their lesbian characters or turning them into villains (a detailed documentary of this is The Celluloid Closet) and for the first time, this particular drama seemed to be avoiding that clich. Then on the season 6 episode 19 ("Seeing Red," US airdate Tuesday, May 14, 2002) one of the lesbian characters was shown being shot through the heart by a stray bullet in front of her lover, mere minutes after being shown in bed together, and the remaining character descended into 'dark majiks,' eventually becoming a murderer and trying to end the world.

Although this story has been done before, it is particularly upsetting that the producers of this show decided to do it to the only lasting gay relationship on network television. When the producers took that step to show a long-term lesbian relationship to millions of viewers, many of them young, they were doing something good for these people. They were giving a community sorely lacking in screen time someone to relate to. They were telling people who didn't know any lesbians in their lives that it was OK and normal. They were helping people overcome prejudice.

Now that they have taken this away in such a violent fashion, they have taken something that was doing actual good in the world and torn it down. Whatever the reasons, they weren't worth it. Most people will go their entire lives without affecting so many people for the better, and instead of embracing it and doing more good, they reduced it to nothing, took it out in a body bag, no funeral, no remorse."

Thank you ladies for your heartfelt responses; I couldn't have said it better myself.

_____
www.bostonherald.com/
Television; The Friday Rant
Boston Herald; Boston, Mass.; May 10, 2002; MARK PERIGARD;

Strip UPN's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" of good writing, clever dialogue, frightening menaces and believable characters and you are stuck with this season. This week's episode was especially depressing, capped by the murder of Tara (AMBER BENSON) in the closing moment, another cruel twist in a cold season. Over on FX, where the good seasons of "Buffy" are repeated, the show's writers brag during commercial breaks about how no character is safe on the show.

But examine that body count for a moment. The most significant character deaths - Jenny, Calendar, Joyce Summers and now Tara - are all women. The show's two gay characters, Tara and high school jock Larry, both slain (ALYSON HANNIGAN's Willow does not count.

Creator JOSS WHEDON told the Herald last year that she is at best bisexual) The show's black characters? Kendra, Mr Trick and oh yeah, that guidance counselor who hung around for half an episode - all dead. We knew that Buffy lived on a hellmouth. Who knew she lived in Klan country?
____

RainbowNetwork.com
www.rainbownetwork.com/co...atid=12242

this article has a feedback forum attached to it for comment

________

www.popmatters.com/tv/rev...yer2.shtml

"I killed Tara": Desire and Death on Buffy
by Todd R. Ramlow
PopMatters Film and TV Critic

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letters to Salon
www.salon.com/ent/letters...index.html

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www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...241518.DTL

by Tim Goodman
San Francisco Chronicle TV critic
tgoodman@sfchronicle.com

Sorry for the delayed rant -- it gets awfully busy during finale time -- here's hoping another favorite series, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," gets a lot better in a hurry next year. If the writers need to work out personal issues, let us know in advance so we can watch "Gilmore Girls" instead. Finale: subpar.


____

Sacramento News and Reviews

www.newsreview.com/issues...6/arts.asp
Arts Feature
Witch love spells death
Was the killing of Tara on Buffy the Vampire Slayer a bold plot move or just another dead lesbian on TV?
By Jennifer Greenman
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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby Unregistered(d) » Wed May 29, 2002 11:30 am

Guys, I want to help you! I want Tara and Willow back together because they were one of the best couple on the show, they both were amazing, faboulous, sweety, ecc......I was reallyshocked when they killed Tara; she was the nicest character left. I thinked that Joss will bring her back but after he has posted..........I really can't belive what he did! How he killed her......Tara was senselessly killed in front of her lover (don't forget after they had recently made love and kissed)....I was especially shocked about this development because they represented the only happy, relatively healthy lesbian relationship on television and I think......I'm not guy and so sorry if I write something wrong, it isn't my idea......really.... many gay viewers looked to them as role models. I'm sure Joss Whedon knew this, but he has act in a totally irresponsible manner!!! And the way how she was killed........shot through her heart by a stray bullet in front of her lover, mere minutes after being shown in bed together....and finally? What we have seen? They reduced it to nothing, took it out in a body bag, no funeral, no remorse. Yeah.......they can cry for Buffy, Joyce or everyone else but not for Tara....................sorry, maybe I'm too much rude but this made my reall mad and sad!
Guys, I want to help you in this campaign to bring Tara back! I'm not very good in english and so I have some problems to write them.........if you want to help me......if you have something write that I can send......so they will read another letter from another person.........maybe they won't listen to us, but I think it's correct express our feeling! Tell me please!
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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby helpful information perha » Thu May 30, 2002 3:44 pm

you can post UPN directly at

feedback@UPN.com
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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby El Gato » Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:31 am

i was talking to a friend about this the other day. she told me that a couple of years ago, there was a character on "Melrose Place" - a girl named Kimberly shaw played by an actress named Marcia Cross. Seems ole Marcia did a great job. Ms. Cross was killed off. So many fans of the show wrote in that Spelling Productions brought her back. So...I guess the message is...sometimes the producers and the studios here the fans. SO write 'em & MAIL 'em! If Spelling hear ya, maybe this guy Whedon might actually hear us.....
xoxo
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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby hilarita » Sun Jun 09, 2002 10:16 pm

as i have no life, i have been updating my list of places to send feedback (on the second page). please check and write to anyone you havent written to already. no one is going to pay attention if its just me sending millions of letters. :)
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Postby Coma123 » Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:25 am

Someone was asking in another thread on the main board about what Roger Ebert would think about this as he recently expressed a view that he believed minorities, how there portrayed and the cliches involved should be avoided. Anyway he has a bi-weekly Q&A thing could Movie Answer Man, usually makes for an interesting read. People could perhaps write to that, I dont suggest writing totally about Buffy as he is a film critic not a TV critic, but perhaps pose a question in a way that uses W/T as an example of minority portrayel or something like that.
Anyway here's the address....

www.suntimes.com/ebert/email.html
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Postby buffelina » Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:15 am

Just to let you all know that I wrote letters two weeks ago to Fox and UPN expressing my disgust at the lesbian cliche and portrayal of my Wiccan faith. Will write more people soon...
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Postby MaClayMagic » Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:35 am

Just a heads up to folk. Sky Text has an email on their tv Entertainment piece concerning Tara's demise. This is about the second I have seen on there, the last one had a picture of Tara on. They are calling for people's views! skytext@bskyb.com. or "Buffy, Sky Text, Grant Way, Isleworth, Middlesex, TW7 5QD.
Doesn't look like many are too chuffed with season 6. Gee, who'd have thought that!!
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Postby CaptMurdock » Thu Jun 27, 2002 12:50 pm

I read a post over at the Cross & Stake that apparently "another group of ex-Buffy fans are planning to vote on Jump The Shark" (paraphrase). They are urging everyone to vote that Buffy "Never Jumped"

Currently, the stats of BtVS have "Never Jumped" in first place with about 650 votes, with "Death (Tara)" in second with just under four hundred.

I say we hie ourselves over to Jump The Shark and make sure that at the very least the status quo is maintained. Better yet, we should try to establish that Tara's untimely and wretched demise is the point where this show has gone into an uncontrollable tailspin.

[Belushi in "Animal House"]

Let's...[b:c9d482c8c4] GGOOOOOOO!!!![/b:c9d482c8c4]

[/Belushi]
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Postby WebWarlock » Fri Jun 28, 2002 7:04 am

Everyone!

The cost of mailing a standard letter domestically (US) increases 3 cents this Sunday (6/30) to 37 cents. Sending a postcard will rise 2 cents to 23 cents.

Thought you should know!

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Postby Repost Moderator » Wed Jul 03, 2002 5:39 am

[b:9401329374] originally posted by helpful information perhaps[/b:9401329374]

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NEED YOUR HELP!!

NY is the largest tv market in the country with over 6 million viewers and a strong GLBT community. Coverage there of the lesbian cliche's use in Buffy would be most welcome.

Sooo I wrote a letter to

Jesse Heiwa/Fruited Plain Radio FruitedPlainRadio@yahoo.com

and asked that they consider doing a show on GLBT
characters in TV/movies and how these media depictions effect perceptions of GLBT individuals by society.

I included a summary of the running list of news pieces on this topic (collected in a thread on this board) and pointed out that this topic was getting lots of play in the media now due to use of the lesbian cliche per W/T on buffy and use of the FemFem kiss as a ratings ploy.

They responded (below) and also gave me some other places to write.

Soooo I'm asking others here to write Jesse

Jesse Heiwa/Fruited Plain Radio FruitedPlainRadio@yahoo.com

and make a similar request for a show on this topic (give Jesse links to this board and the media pieces on this topic and ask FPR to do a story!)
AND
contact the additional stations OutFM on WBAI and do similarly!!


____
Here is Jesse's response to me:

thanks for your e-mail. Your idea is good, I will consider it, but also you might want to contact OutFM on WBAI (which I co-founded, but now is in different leadership hands), not sure if they check their e-mail, but you can write them at: OutFM c/o WBAI Radio, 120 Wall Street, 10th Floor, NYC, NY 10005 and the on-air number (they air Mondays from 11AM-12NOON) is 212-209-2900 and the office number for WBAI is 212-209-2800, there's also queer radio programs in Long Island, Central Jersey, etc..

Thanks for writing! And do check out Fruited Plain (will have more specifics toward the end of the month when the program launches on the internet), in the meantime contact us via this e-mail address and we're setting up a listserve.

Thanks for your interest,

Jesse Heiwa/Fruited Plain Radio FruitedPlainRadio@yahoo.com

____

and here is what I wrote to them:

heard your radio show. It was very good.
Was wondering if perhaps you might consider doing a show on GLBT characters in TV/movies and how these media depictions effect perceptions of GLBT individuals by society.

There has been considerable discussion of this issue of late due to the use of the evil/dead lesbian cliche by shows like buffy the vampire slayer and use of fem fem kisses as ratings gimmics

examples:

www.bostonherald.com/
Television; The Friday Rant
Boston Herald; Boston, Mass.; May 10, 2002; MARK PERIGARD;
Strip UPN's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" of good writing, clever dialogue,
frightening menaces and believable characters and you are stuck with
this season. This week's episode was especially depressing, capped by
the murder of Tara (AMBER BENSON) in the closing moment, another crueltwist in a cold season. Over on FX, where the good seasons of "Buffy"
are repeated, the show's writers brag during commercial breaks about how
no character is safe on the show.

But examine that body count for a moment. The most significant character
deaths - Jenny, Calendar, Joyce Summers and now Tara - are all women.
The show's two gay characters, Tara and high school jock Larry, both
slain (ALYSON HANNIGAN's Willow does not count.
Creator JOSS WHEDON told the Herald last year that she is at best
bisexual) The show's black characters? Kendra, Mr Trick and oh yeah,
that guidance counselor who hung around for half an episode - all dead.
We knew that Buffy lived on a hellmouth. Who knew she lived in Klan
country?
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www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...241518.DTL
by Tim Goodman
San Francisco Chronicle TV critic
tgoodman@sfchronicle.com

"Sorry for the delayed rant -- it gets awfully busy during finale time
-- here's ho! ping another favorite series, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer,"
gets a lot better in a hurry next year. If the writers need to work out
personal issues, let us know in advance so we can watch "Gilmore Girls"
instead. Finale: subpar."
____
Sacramento News and Reviews
www.newsreview.com/issues...6/arts.asp
Arts Feature
Witch love spells death
Was the killing of Tara on Buffy the Vampire Slayer a bold plot move or
just another dead lesbian on TV?
By Jennifer Greenman
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www.popmatters.com/tv/rev...yer2.shtml
"I killed Tara": Desire and Death on Buffy
by Todd R. Ramlow
PopMatters Film and TV Critic
_____
letters to Salon
www.salon.com/ent/letters...index.html
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www.camprehoboth.com/issu...ntcamp.htm
Heterosexuality Wins
Kristen Minor
I recently rented a copy of the movie The Children's Hour, a 1961 film
adaptation of a play where Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacLaine play two
women who run a school. Long story short, MacLaine's character declares
her love for Hepburn's! and ends up killing herself in shame while
Hepburn hooks up with a tall and swarthy man.
The message is clear: Lesbianism causes pain, suffering, and death.
Heterosexuality wins.
Vito Russo, in his excellent work The Celluloid Closet, notes that
lesbian couples on film and television are generally divided into two
categories.
You have the Irredeemable Lesbian-generally the "butch" one. It goes
without saying that she is the seducer and the predator. Her target is
the Innocent. That would be the feminine one, who has been sucked into
the sinful glamour of lesbianism.
There are two endings to this story: Irredeemable is killed off or
suffers some other tragic fate, while Innocent goes into a murderous
rage or fall into the arms of a tall and swarthy man. It's either rage
against heterosexuality or heterosexuality being the rage. Such endings
ignore the existence of bisexuality, which is of course just a plot
device to crank up rat! ings. This week on the WB: A female lead kisses a
girl and then goes back to boys after a full ten minutes of confusion.
Tune in!
The evil, dead, and suffering lesbian cliche is a traditional subset of
the generic minority cliche, best summed up by "the black guy always
dies." For variation, he is also permitted to be a drug dealer or best
friend once in awhile.
Why are minorities evil beings who are made to suffer? Hatred. We're
being put in our place. We can scream until we are blue in the face
about how virtually every minority character is a ridiculous clich
without a meaningful role. The traditional response from the powers that
be is, "But they are there! What more do you uppity people want?"
We'd like to live, for starters.
The disturbing impression that I was left with after watching The
Children's Hour is that decades later little has changed. Exhibit A: The
television series Buffy the Vampire Slayer which just last week killed
off lesbian witch Tara (Irredeemable), sending her lover ! Willow (who has
dated men, making her the Innocent) to go on a murderous rampage. So
much for innocence. This was, incidentally, the episode where the two
characters were shown in bed naked together and kissed throughout the
episode. For those of you in the back that missed the point, here it is:
lesbian sex is a cardinal sin that leads to death. In the interest of
being inclusive, I should mention that gay men are hardly excluded from
this misery-my personal favorite homo boy offing was Sal Mineo in Rebel
Without A Cause, who spent the entire movie moony-eyed at James Dean.
Men, take note: crushes on James Dean will kill you.
Consider a few other recent films. Lost and Delirious ends with the
Irredeemable attempting to do a falcon impression off of a building.
Mullholland Drive has a lesbian killing off her ex that left her for a
man. Kissing Jessica Stein, currently in theaters, does an admirable job
of avoiding stereotypes up until ! the very end of the movie, where a
character says that the brea kup of her relationship with a woman was
caused by her inability to be "gay enough."
There you have it, folks-an invalidation of bisexuality where the
innocent jumps back to the boys.
Aside from Buffy other television shows that have featured lesbian death
and/or misery as of late include 24, ER, All My Children, and Boston
Public. The list of both television and movie evil, dead, and suffering
lesbians could go on for pages.
Those of you with a little free time can have great (okay, it's
depressing) fun with a marathon of lesbian death scenes. I would
recommend starting off with Basic Instinct, where Sharon Stone's
girlfriend is killed in a car crash and her ex-girlfriend is shot to
death. Stone herself is a cold-blooded killer who also ends up with a
man. This provides a nice two-in-one clich combo, with the added
bonus that every single queer woman in the film is deeply psychotic.
The marathon should end with a screening of The ! Fox, where the
Irredeemable lesbian is killed. By a tree. That falls between her legs.
With a death like that, how could her lover not go back to boys?
Researching this column has been a revelation. I realize now that I can
never be happy, nor will any of my relationships work out. I am a weak,
sick, and pathetic predator who deserves the pity of the heterosexual
world, which should make every effort to save and redeem me. The same
goes for all gay people.
Lesbianism causes pain, suffering, and death. We get it.
Kristen Minor is a member of the class of 2004 at Dartmouth College,
where she is a happy, well-adjusted, and avowed lesbian who stays away
from trees. She can be reached at kristen@youth-guard.org.
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www.lesbianation.com/arti...4&id=10414
BUFFY FINALE, FINALLY

Lots of you have been writing in voicing your disappointment with the
direction the creators of Buffy the Vampire the Slayer decided to take
the show! this year. I can't help but agree with you. I was glad that dr
lloydhad written in to us with some warnings, so we would have some idea
of what to expect. I personally was shocked when they killed Tara; she
was the nicest character left.
Some readers feel that Tara and Willow were made out to be a lesbian
cliche. Stonhbr writes: "Tara was senselessly killed in front of her
lover (after they had recently made love and kissed) and Willow became
evil, eventually killing a man and turning on her friends. Thus, they
clearly sent the message that, yet again, lesbian
love+sex=death+evilness.
What was especially devastating about this development was that Willow
and Tara represented the only happy, relatively healthy lesbian
relationship on television and many gay viewers looked to them as role
models. Joss Whedon knew this, yet chose to act in a totally
irresponsible manner."
hilary clay adds: "Hollywood has a long standing history of either
killing their lesbian characters or turning them into villa! ins (a
detailed documentary of this is The Celluloid Closet) and for the first
time, this particular drama seemed to be avoiding that clich. Then on
the season 6 episode 19 ("Seeing Red," US airdate Tuesday, May 14, 2002)
one of the lesbian characters was shown being shot through the heart by
a stray bullet in front of her lover, mere minutes after being shown in
bed together, and the remaining character descended into 'dark majiks,'
eventually becoming a murderer and trying to end the world.
Although this story has been done before, it is particularly upsetting
that the producers of this show decided to do it to the only lasting gay
relationship on network television. When the producers took that step to
show a long-term lesbian relationship to millions of viewers, many of
them young, they were doing something good for these people. They were
giving a community sorely lacking in screen time someone to relate to.
They were telling peo! ple who didn't know any lesbians in their lives
that it was OK and normal. They were helping people overcome prejudice.
Now that they have taken this away in such a violent fashion, they have
taken something that was doing actual good in the world and torn it
down. Whatever the reasons, they weren't worth it. Most people will go
their entire lives without affecting so many people for the better, and
instead of embracing it and doing more good, they reduced it to nothing,
took it out in a body bag, no funeral, no remorse."
Thank you ladies for your heartfelt responses; I couldn't have said it
better myself.
______


From Sci-Fi Wire
www.scifi.com/scifiwire/a....30.fandom
Tara's Death Riles Buffy Fans
The season-ending story arc of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer-in which
Tara (Amber Benson) dies and her lover, Willow (Alyson Hannigan), turns
evil-is prompting a backlash among fans who argue in part that the
finale undermined the series' otherwise positive portrayal of a lesbian
! relationship. Though many fans were dismayed at the loss of a crucial
character, still others saw the turn of events as a repudiation of one
of television's few realistic gay relationships.
"Devoted followers of Buffy the Vampire Slayer are left devastated by
the producers' ... decision to destroy what many have felt was a
wonderful portrayal of a loving, honest and natural long-term lesbian
relationship," wrote Florida gay rights advocate R. Zeke Fread on the
365gay.com Canadian Web site. "Especially because such a relationship as
that of Tara and Willow is rarely depicted on television programs."
More than 1,000 fans have signed a petition to resurrect Tara. Others
have written in protest to various Buffy fan sites, Salon magazine, the
Boston Herald and elsewhere.
"Examine that body count for a moment," the Herald wrote. "The most
significant character deaths-Jenny Calendar, Joyce Summers and now
Tara-are all women. The show's two ga! y characters, Tara and high school
jock Larry, both slain. (Aly son Hannigan's Willow does not count.
Creator Joss Whedon told the Herald last year that she is at best
bisexual.) The show's black characters? Kendra, Mr. Trick and, oh, yeah,
that guidance counselor who hung around for half an episode-all dead. We
knew Buffy lived on a hellmouth. Who knew she lived in Klan country?"
For his part, Whedon wrote on the official UPN Buffy posting board, The
Bronze, shortly after the finale aired: "I killed Tara. Some of you may
have been hurt by that. It's very unlikely it was more painful to you
than it was to me. I couldn't even discuss it in story meetings without
getting upset, physically. Which is why I knew it was the right thing to
do. Because stories, as I have so often said, are not about what we
WANT. And I knew some people would be angry with me for destroying the
only gay couple on the show, but the idea that I COULDN'T kill Tara
because she was gay is as offensive to me as the idea that I DID k! ill
her because she was gay. Willow's story was not about being gay. It was
about weakness, addiction, loss ... the way life hits you in the gut
right when you think you're back on your feet. The course of true love
never did run smooth, not on my show. (Only [NYPD Blue's] Dennis Franz
has suffered more than my characters.) I love Amber, and she knows it.
Eventually, this story will end for all of them. Hers ended sooner."
As for whether Whedon will bring back the character next season, he told
SCI FI Wire cryptically, "Tara will not be back. But Amber will."
______
www.365gay.com/opinion/Index.htm
Special Feature
The Death of Tara Exposes Willow's Dark Side and Fans Outrage
by R. Zeke Fread
Devoted followers of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" are left devastated by
the producers of BVS decision to destroy, what many have felt was, a
wonderful portrayal of a loving, honest and natural long term lesbian
relationship. Especially, bec! ause such a relationship as that of Tara
and Willow' is rarely depicted on television programs.
Our gay youth, and all viewers of BVS, had for the past three years, the
rare opportunity to see two women, openly express their love for each
other as main characters in a television program. A devoted loving
couple, who were trusting, unselfish and protective of each other,
reflecting the many lesbian and gay long term relationships existing in
the real world, but, seldom acknowledged.
Young people were able to see this relationship was accepted by viewers,
both gay and straight alike, by the ever growing popularity of the
program. A message that was desperately needed for them to hear and see,
even though for some it may have been only an hour of drowning out the
thoughts of the anti-gay messages they are exposed daily.
BVS's storyline of an openly gay loving relationship, made contributions
toward promoting acceptance and tolerance, that could never be measured
by ratings alone.
They say all good! things must come to an end, but the fans of BVS are
not the least bit accepting of the end of Tara and Willow's long term
relationship.
It is not because, they don't believe good things do come to an end. It
is how producers choose to end Tara's and Willow's relationship that has
them disgusted and outraged.
Showing the couple in bed, suggesting they may have just made love, Tara
is shot and killed by a stray bullet. Willow seeing this happen right
before her eyes, becomes crazed, tracks down Tara's murder, tortures and
murders him, attempts to kill his associates, two of her friends and
attempts to end her pain by destroying the world.
Fans feel strongly this was not a fitting end for Tara and Willow's
relationship and have taken to the net to vent their anger. This may
sound like, "it's only a television show, what's the big deal?"
For BVS fans the big deal is, once again television producers are
falling back on the Dead/Evil Les! bian Clich: introducing gay
characters, only to kill them off or turn them in to villains.
In this case, BVS's producers have chosen to incorporate both, dead and
evil.
After watching the storyline with Tara and Willow go on for three years,
you become attached to these characters. We all have done the same
thing. We, as they, are not delusional and don't forget these are actors
portraying characters in a television. Nevertheless, we have developed a
relationship with them that went far beyond the character and viewer
relationship.
The storyline and the message that was being sent, acceptance of
same-sex couples, had touched the hearts of many of our gay youth. For
one hour a week for three years they were able to escape all the
negative things said about them. Then without warning, this special
message they looked so forward to seeing and hearing each week, was
abruptly stripped away from them. And, in the worst possible way one can
imagine.
I was not a fan or viewer of BVS and sadly had m! issed the opportunity to
see this positive portrayal of a same-sex couple. However, after reading
the many letters I have received on this matter, I can feel the great
disappointment and outrage of that the loyal fans of BVS are
experiencing. I am left asking the same question, I am sure they are,
what possible reason was there for destroying something that meant so
much to so many?
R. Zeke Fread is Director of the Tampa Bay Coalition a Florida GLBT
rights organization.
_____
www.PopMatters.com
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
by Todd R. Ramlow
PopMatters Film and TV Critic
Ceci n'est ce pas une lesbianne
A famous painting by Rene Magritte is a realistic depiction of a tobacco
pipe with a declarative sentence written underneath: "Ceci n'est ce pas
une pipe." ("This is not a pipe.") Magritte's title for this painting?
"The Betrayal of Images." Following a long philosophical tradition of
investigating the status and politics! of representation and the real,
Magritte's pipe is not a pipe, but a painting of a pipe. And the
inscription encourages us to understand the painting as a critique of
dominant "ways of seeing," the constitution of "high" versus "low" art,
and the social values and political import of art.
Recently, I have experienced a reminder of just how dominant ideologies
promote certain understandings over all others in various responses to
my interrogation of lesbian desire and representation in the sixth
season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Several were angry accusations that
I had gotten it all wrong, that I was searching for a tempest in a
teapot. Among these, two points came up repeatedly: first, that I read
too deeply into what is "just" popular entertainment, that not
everything is politically motivated; and second, that my understanding
of how BVS uses witchcraft as a trope for lesbian desire was a load of
hogwash, even if some admit the show might have deployed such metaphors
at the start of Willow a! nd Tara's relationship.
To the first, I have never understood the argument that popular culture
is "just" entertainment or ephemera. It is manifestly much more than
that and does real cultural work. Certainly politicians, critics, and
scholars around the world have found in U.S. popular cultural products
(whether Hollywood films, television, McDonald's hamburgers, or
Coca-Cola) the epitome of neo-colonial exploitation and cultural
dominance. Furthermore, popular culture reflects and helps to reproduce
contemporary zeitgeists; this is how pop culture functions as an
apparatus of dominant ideology. The refusal to consider any social or
political import to popular culture demonstrates how ideology functions
through media to promote certain social and cultural values as
"natural," and to make particular political investments and
disseminations transparent.
As to the rejection of my understanding of the connection between
lesbianism and ! witchcraft on Buffy, I have never said that BVS's creator
or wr iters made a conscious (and consciously homophobic) decision to
directly cast lesbianism as social pathology and physical addiction. On
the contrary, I am quite sure that those involved in season six had no
such intentions, and probably weren't even aware of the implications of
what they were presenting in the changing relationship of Willow and
Tara. Instead, the fact that the show wraps up the Willow-Tara story arc
in addiction and death only proves to me exactly how dominant ideologies
(in this case homophobia and intolerance) function on the unconscious
level, for readers as well as creators.
Several writers tell me that witchcraft on BVS has nothing to do with
lesbianism, that they constitute parallel, not intersecting plot points.
How they could be parallel when the two primary witches and lesbians on

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Postby Repost Moderator » Wed Jul 03, 2002 5:40 am

[b:e2cb97b2b5] originally posted by helpful information perhaps[/b:e2cb97b2b5]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NEED YOUR HELP!!

NY is the largest tv market in the country with over 6 million viewers and a strong GLBT community. Coverage there of the lesbian cliche's use in Buffy would be most welcome.

Sooo I wrote a letter to

Jesse Heiwa/Fruited Plain Radio FruitedPlainRadio@yahoo.com

and asked that they consider doing a show on GLBT
characters in TV/movies and how these media depictions effect perceptions of GLBT individuals by society.

I included a summary of the running list of news pieces on this topic (collected in a thread on this board) and pointed out that this topic was getting lots of play in the media now due to use of the lesbian cliche per W/T on buffy and use of the FemFem kiss as a ratings ploy.

They responded (below) and also gave me some other places to write.

Soooo I'm asking others here to write Jesse

Jesse Heiwa/Fruited Plain Radio FruitedPlainRadio@yahoo.com

and make a similar request for a show on this topic (give Jesse links to this board and the media pieces on this topic and ask FPR to do a story!)
AND
contact the additional stations OutFM on WBAI and do similarly!!


____
Here is Jesse's response to me:

thanks for your e-mail. Your idea is good, I will consider it, but also you might want to contact OutFM on WBAI (which I co-founded, but now is in different leadership hands), not sure if they check their e-mail, but you can write them at: OutFM c/o WBAI Radio, 120 Wall Street, 10th Floor, NYC, NY 10005 and the on-air number (they air Mondays from 11AM-12NOON) is 212-209-2900 and the office number for WBAI is 212-209-2800, there's also queer radio programs in Long Island, Central Jersey, etc..

Thanks for writing! And do check out Fruited Plain (will have more specifics toward the end of the month when the program launches on the internet), in the meantime contact us via this e-mail address and we're setting up a listserve.

Thanks for your interest,

Jesse Heiwa/Fruited Plain Radio FruitedPlainRadio@yahoo.com

____

and here is what I wrote to them:

heard your radio show. It was very good.
Was wondering if perhaps you might consider doing a show on GLBT characters in TV/movies and how these media depictions effect perceptions of GLBT individuals by society.

There has been considerable discussion of this issue of late due to the use of the evil/dead lesbian cliche by shows like buffy the vampire slayer and use of fem fem kisses as ratings gimmics

examples:

www.bostonherald.com/
Television; The Friday Rant
Boston Herald; Boston, Mass.; May 10, 2002; MARK PERIGARD;
Strip UPN's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" of good writing, clever dialogue,
frightening menaces and believable characters and you are stuck with
this season. This week's episode was especially depressing, capped by
the murder of Tara (AMBER BENSON) in the closing moment, another crueltwist in a cold season. Over on FX, where the good seasons of "Buffy"
are repeated, the show's writers brag during commercial breaks about how
no character is safe on the show.

But examine that body count for a moment. The most significant character
deaths - Jenny, Calendar, Joyce Summers and now Tara - are all women.
The show's two gay characters, Tara and high school jock Larry, both
slain (ALYSON HANNIGAN's Willow does not count.
Creator JOSS WHEDON told the Herald last year that she is at best
bisexual) The show's black characters? Kendra, Mr Trick and oh yeah,
that guidance counselor who hung around for half an episode - all dead.
We knew that Buffy lived on a hellmouth. Who knew she lived in Klan
country?
____

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...241518.DTL
by Tim Goodman
San Francisco Chronicle TV critic
tgoodman@sfchronicle.com

"Sorry for the delayed rant -- it gets awfully busy during finale time
-- here's ho! ping another favorite series, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer,"
gets a lot better in a hurry next year. If the writers need to work out
personal issues, let us know in advance so we can watch "Gilmore Girls"
instead. Finale: subpar."
____
Sacramento News and Reviews
www.newsreview.com/issues...6/arts.asp
Arts Feature
Witch love spells death
Was the killing of Tara on Buffy the Vampire Slayer a bold plot move or
just another dead lesbian on TV?
By Jennifer Greenman
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www.popmatters.com/tv/rev...yer2.shtml
"I killed Tara": Desire and Death on Buffy
by Todd R. Ramlow
PopMatters Film and TV Critic
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letters to Salon
www.salon.com/ent/letters...index.html
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www.camprehoboth.com/issu...ntcamp.htm
Heterosexuality Wins
Kristen Minor
I recently rented a copy of the movie The Children's Hour, a 1961 film
adaptation of a play where Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacLaine play two
women who run a school. Long story short, MacLaine's character declares
her love for Hepburn's! and ends up killing herself in shame while
Hepburn hooks up with a tall and swarthy man.
The message is clear: Lesbianism causes pain, suffering, and death.
Heterosexuality wins.
Vito Russo, in his excellent work The Celluloid Closet, notes that
lesbian couples on film and television are generally divided into two
categories.
You have the Irredeemable Lesbian-generally the "butch" one. It goes
without saying that she is the seducer and the predator. Her target is
the Innocent. That would be the feminine one, who has been sucked into
the sinful glamour of lesbianism.
There are two endings to this story: Irredeemable is killed off or
suffers some other tragic fate, while Innocent goes into a murderous
rage or fall into the arms of a tall and swarthy man. It's either rage
against heterosexuality or heterosexuality being the rage. Such endings
ignore the existence of bisexuality, which is of course just a plot
device to crank up rat! ings. This week on the WB: A female lead kisses a
girl and then goes back to boys after a full ten minutes of confusion.
Tune in!
The evil, dead, and suffering lesbian cliche is a traditional subset of
the generic minority cliche, best summed up by "the black guy always
dies." For variation, he is also permitted to be a drug dealer or best
friend once in awhile.
Why are minorities evil beings who are made to suffer? Hatred. We're
being put in our place. We can scream until we are blue in the face
about how virtually every minority character is a ridiculous clich
without a meaningful role. The traditional response from the powers that
be is, "But they are there! What more do you uppity people want?"
We'd like to live, for starters.
The disturbing impression that I was left with after watching The
Children's Hour is that decades later little has changed. Exhibit A: The
television series Buffy the Vampire Slayer which just last week killed
off lesbian witch Tara (Irredeemable), sending her lover ! Willow (who has
dated men, making her the Innocent) to go on a murderous rampage. So
much for innocence. This was, incidentally, the episode where the two
characters were shown in bed naked together and kissed throughout the
episode. For those of you in the back that missed the point, here it is:
lesbian sex is a cardinal sin that leads to death. In the interest of
being inclusive, I should mention that gay men are hardly excluded from
this misery-my personal favorite homo boy offing was Sal Mineo in Rebel
Without A Cause, who spent the entire movie moony-eyed at James Dean.
Men, take note: crushes on James Dean will kill you.
Consider a few other recent films. Lost and Delirious ends with the
Irredeemable attempting to do a falcon impression off of a building.
Mullholland Drive has a lesbian killing off her ex that left her for a
man. Kissing Jessica Stein, currently in theaters, does an admirable job
of avoiding stereotypes up until ! the very end of the movie, where a
character says that the brea kup of her relationship with a woman was
caused by her inability to be "gay enough."
There you have it, folks-an invalidation of bisexuality where the
innocent jumps back to the boys.
Aside from Buffy other television shows that have featured lesbian death
and/or misery as of late include 24, ER, All My Children, and Boston
Public. The list of both television and movie evil, dead, and suffering
lesbians could go on for pages.
Those of you with a little free time can have great (okay, it's
depressing) fun with a marathon of lesbian death scenes. I would
recommend starting off with Basic Instinct, where Sharon Stone's
girlfriend is killed in a car crash and her ex-girlfriend is shot to
death. Stone herself is a cold-blooded killer who also ends up with a
man. This provides a nice two-in-one clich combo, with the added
bonus that every single queer woman in the film is deeply psychotic.
The marathon should end with a screening of The ! Fox, where the
Irredeemable lesbian is killed. By a tree. That falls between her legs.
With a death like that, how could her lover not go back to boys?
Researching this column has been a revelation. I realize now that I can
never be happy, nor will any of my relationships work out. I am a weak,
sick, and pathetic predator who deserves the pity of the heterosexual
world, which should make every effort to save and redeem me. The same
goes for all gay people.
Lesbianism causes pain, suffering, and death. We get it.
Kristen Minor is a member of the class of 2004 at Dartmouth College,
where she is a happy, well-adjusted, and avowed lesbian who stays away
from trees. She can be reached at kristen@youth-guard.org.
____
www.lesbianation.com/arti...4&id=10414
BUFFY FINALE, FINALLY

Lots of you have been writing in voicing your disappointment with the
direction the creators of Buffy the Vampire the Slayer decided to take
the show! this year. I can't help but agree with you. I was glad that dr
lloydhad written in to us with some warnings, so we would have some idea
of what to expect. I personally was shocked when they killed Tara; she
was the nicest character left.
Some readers feel that Tara and Willow were made out to be a lesbian
cliche. Stonhbr writes: "Tara was senselessly killed in front of her
lover (after they had recently made love and kissed) and Willow became
evil, eventually killing a man and turning on her friends. Thus, they
clearly sent the message that, yet again, lesbian
love+sex=death+evilness.
What was especially devastating about this development was that Willow
and Tara represented the only happy, relatively healthy lesbian
relationship on television and many gay viewers looked to them as role
models. Joss Whedon knew this, yet chose to act in a totally
irresponsible manner."
hilary clay adds: "Hollywood has a long standing history of either
killing their lesbian characters or turning them into villa! ins (a
detailed documentary of this is The Celluloid Closet) and for the first
time, this particular drama seemed to be avoiding that clich. Then on
the season 6 episode 19 ("Seeing Red," US airdate Tuesday, May 14, 2002)
one of the lesbian characters was shown being shot through the heart by
a stray bullet in front of her lover, mere minutes after being shown in
bed together, and the remaining character descended into 'dark majiks,'
eventually becoming a murderer and trying to end the world.
Although this story has been done before, it is particularly upsetting
that the producers of this show decided to do it to the only lasting gay
relationship on network television. When the producers took that step to
show a long-term lesbian relationship to millions of viewers, many of
them young, they were doing something good for these people. They were
giving a community sorely lacking in screen time someone to relate to.
They were telling peo! ple who didn't know any lesbians in their lives
that it was OK and normal. They were helping people overcome prejudice.
Now that they have taken this away in such a violent fashion, they have
taken something that was doing actual good in the world and torn it
down. Whatever the reasons, they weren't worth it. Most people will go
their entire lives without affecting so many people for the better, and
instead of embracing it and doing more good, they reduced it to nothing,
took it out in a body bag, no funeral, no remorse."
Thank you ladies for your heartfelt responses; I couldn't have said it
better myself.
______


From Sci-Fi Wire
www.scifi.com/scifiwire/a....30.fandom
Tara's Death Riles Buffy Fans
The season-ending story arc of UPN's Buffy the Vampire Slayer-in which
Tara (Amber Benson) dies and her lover, Willow (Alyson Hannigan), turns
evil-is prompting a backlash among fans who argue in part that the
finale undermined the series' otherwise positive portrayal of a lesbian
! relationship. Though many fans were dismayed at the loss of a crucial
character, still others saw the turn of events as a repudiation of one
of television's few realistic gay relationships.
"Devoted followers of Buffy the Vampire Slayer are left devastated by
the producers' ... decision to destroy what many have felt was a
wonderful portrayal of a loving, honest and natural long-term lesbian
relationship," wrote Florida gay rights advocate R. Zeke Fread on the
365gay.com Canadian Web site. "Especially because such a relationship as
that of Tara and Willow is rarely depicted on television programs."
More than 1,000 fans have signed a petition to resurrect Tara. Others
have written in protest to various Buffy fan sites, Salon magazine, the
Boston Herald and elsewhere.
"Examine that body count for a moment," the Herald wrote. "The most
significant character deaths-Jenny Calendar, Joyce Summers and now
Tara-are all women. The show's two ga! y characters, Tara and high school
jock Larry, both slain. (Aly son Hannigan's Willow does not count.
Creator Joss Whedon told the Herald last year that she is at best
bisexual.) The show's black characters? Kendra, Mr. Trick and, oh, yeah,
that guidance counselor who hung around for half an episode-all dead. We
knew Buffy lived on a hellmouth. Who knew she lived in Klan country?"
For his part, Whedon wrote on the official UPN Buffy posting board, The
Bronze, shortly after the finale aired: "I killed Tara. Some of you may
have been hurt by that. It's very unlikely it was more painful to you
than it was to me. I couldn't even discuss it in story meetings without
getting upset, physically. Which is why I knew it was the right thing to
do. Because stories, as I have so often said, are not about what we
WANT. And I knew some people would be angry with me for destroying the
only gay couple on the show, but the idea that I COULDN'T kill Tara
because she was gay is as offensive to me as the idea that I DID k! ill
her because she was gay. Willow's story was not about being gay. It was
about weakness, addiction, loss ... the way life hits you in the gut
right when you think you're back on your feet. The course of true love
never did run smooth, not on my show. (Only [NYPD Blue's] Dennis Franz
has suffered more than my characters.) I love Amber, and she knows it.
Eventually, this story will end for all of them. Hers ended sooner."
As for whether Whedon will bring back the character next season, he told
SCI FI Wire cryptically, "Tara will not be back. But Amber will."
______
www.365gay.com/opinion/Index.htm
Special Feature
The Death of Tara Exposes Willow's Dark Side and Fans Outrage
by R. Zeke Fread
Devoted followers of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" are left devastated by
the producers of BVS decision to destroy, what many have felt was, a
wonderful portrayal of a loving, honest and natural long term lesbian
relationship. Especially, bec! ause such a relationship as that of Tara
and Willow' is rarely depicted on television programs.
Our gay youth, and all viewers of BVS, had for the past three years, the
rare opportunity to see two women, openly express their love for each
other as main characters in a television program. A devoted loving
couple, who were trusting, unselfish and protective of each other,
reflecting the many lesbian and gay long term relationships existing in
the real world, but, seldom acknowledged.
Young people were able to see this relationship was accepted by viewers,
both gay and straight alike, by the ever growing popularity of the
program. A message that was desperately needed for them to hear and see,
even though for some it may have been only an hour of drowning out the
thoughts of the anti-gay messages they are exposed daily.
BVS's storyline of an openly gay loving relationship, made contributions
toward promoting acceptance and tolerance, that could never be measured
by ratings alone.
They say all good! things must come to an end, but the fans of BVS are
not the least bit accepting of the end of Tara and Willow's long term
relationship.
It is not because, they don't believe good things do come to an end. It
is how producers choose to end Tara's and Willow's relationship that has
them disgusted and outraged.
Showing the couple in bed, suggesting they may have just made love, Tara
is shot and killed by a stray bullet. Willow seeing this happen right
before her eyes, becomes crazed, tracks down Tara's murder, tortures and
murders him, attempts to kill his associates, two of her friends and
attempts to end her pain by destroying the world.
Fans feel strongly this was not a fitting end for Tara and Willow's
relationship and have taken to the net to vent their anger. This may
sound like, "it's only a television show, what's the big deal?"
For BVS fans the big deal is, once again television producers are
falling back on the Dead/Evil Les! bian Clich: introducing gay
characters, only to kill them off or turn them in to villains.
In this case, BVS's producers have chosen to incorporate both, dead and
evil.
After watching the storyline with Tara and Willow go on for three years,
you become attached to these characters. We all have done the same
thing. We, as they, are not delusional and don't forget these are actors
portraying characters in a television. Nevertheless, we have developed a
relationship with them that went far beyond the character and viewer
relationship.
The storyline and the message that was being sent, acceptance of
same-sex couples, had touched the hearts of many of our gay youth. For
one hour a week for three years they were able to escape all the
negative things said about them. Then without warning, this special
message they looked so forward to seeing and hearing each week, was
abruptly stripped away from them. And, in the worst possible way one can
imagine.
I was not a fan or viewer of BVS and sadly had m! issed the opportunity to
see this positive portrayal of a same-sex couple. However, after reading
the many letters I have received on this matter, I can feel the great
disappointment and outrage of that the loyal fans of BVS are
experiencing. I am left asking the same question, I am sure they are,
what possible reason was there for destroying something that meant so
much to so many?
R. Zeke Fread is Director of the Tampa Bay Coalition a Florida GLBT
rights organization.
_____
www.PopMatters.com
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
by Todd R. Ramlow
PopMatters Film and TV Critic
Ceci n'est ce pas une lesbianne
A famous painting by Rene Magritte is a realistic depiction of a tobacco
pipe with a declarative sentence written underneath: "Ceci n'est ce pas
une pipe." ("This is not a pipe.") Magritte's title for this painting?
"The Betrayal of Images." Following a long philosophical tradition of
investigating the status and politics! of representation and the real,
Magritte's pipe is not a pipe, but a painting of a pipe. And the
inscription encourages us to understand the painting as a critique of
dominant "ways of seeing," the constitution of "high" versus "low" art,
and the social values and political import of art.
Recently, I have experienced a reminder of just how dominant ideologies
promote certain understandings over all others in various responses to
my interrogation of lesbian desire and representation in the sixth
season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Several were angry accusations that
I had gotten it all wrong, that I was searching for a tempest in a
teapot. Among these, two points came up repeatedly: first, that I read
too deeply into what is "just" popular entertainment, that not
everything is politically motivated; and second, that my understanding
of how BVS uses witchcraft as a trope for lesbian desire was a load of
hogwash, even if some admit the show might have deployed such metaphors
at the start of Willow a! nd Tara's relationship.
To the first, I have never understood the argument that popular culture
is "just" entertainment or ephemera. It is manifestly much more than
that and does real cultural work. Certainly politicians, critics, and
scholars around the world have found in U.S. popular cultural products
(whether Hollywood films, television, McDonald's hamburgers, or
Coca-Cola) the epitome of neo-colonial exploitation and cultural
dominance. Furthermore, popular culture reflects and helps to reproduce
contemporary zeitgeists; this is how pop culture functions as an
apparatus of dominant ideology. The refusal to consider any social or
political import to popular culture demonstrates how ideology functions
through media to promote certain social and cultural values as
"natural," and to make particular political investments and
disseminations transparent.
As to the rejection of my understanding of the connection between
lesbianism and ! witchcraft on Buffy, I have never said that BVS's creator
or wr iters made a conscious (and consciously homophobic) decision to
directly cast lesbianism as social pathology and physical addiction. On
the contrary, I am quite sure that those involved in season six had no
such intentions, and probably weren't even aware of the implications of
what they were presenting in the changing relationship of Willow and
Tara. Instead, the fact that the show wraps up the Willow-Tara story arc
in addiction and death only proves to me exactly how dominant ideologies
(in this case homophobia and intolerance) function on the unconscious
level, for readers as well as creators.
Several writers tell me that witchcraft on BVS has nothing to do with
lesbianism, that they constitute parallel, not intersecting plot points.
How they could be parallel when the two primary witches and lesbians on

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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby Repost Moderator » Wed Jul 03, 2002 5:41 am

[b:71c129cfa3] originally posted by WebWarlock[/b:71c129cfa3]


Well, I dont live in or even near New York.
But consider my email/mail as one for the cause.

I'll send something right now.

Again HIP, reading my mind (stop that now!)
I was just working on my letter to WBEZ here in Chicago. We are the third or fourth, depending on whether the democrats or repbulicans are doing the counting (sorry, vauge Chicago humor...I'll stop now) TV market. So I'll use parts of that letter for this one as well!

Warlock

[b:71c129cfa3] Edited to add:[/b:71c129cfa3] HIP. Do you have a FAX number?
I emailed fruitedplainradio@yahoo.com, and got an email back from Marsha P. Johnson who said she did not know of anything like this, BUT she mentioned that OutFM usually does not check their email.

So an alternate contact method would be nice. Otherwise we have to wait on the snail mail.

Warlock


[b:71c129cfa3] More Adding![/b:71c129cfa3]
OutFM's Fax number is (212) 747-1698. Please be sure to FAX it to OutFM's attention. So cover letters and such.

Warlock
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Postby helpful information perha » Wed Jul 03, 2002 11:00 am

WW
I don't live anywhere near NY either <G> but its the #1 tv market and the internet is great for finding stations to write<G>

I sent my email to Jesse at the
FruitedPlainRadio@yahoo.com
addy and got a response from him via a third partys email
(I assumed it was his secretary or something)

anyway - if you have an email addy I'd be happy to post a request to your chicago station <G>


____

FYI

I sent zap2its TVGal Amy (who announced that she will comment on tara's death monday) an email listing all the media pieces on tara's death from the lists here. She replied
"Thanks -- I hadn't seen all of those!"

so if folks get a chance post here with the news pieces and remind her that this IS a big deal and shouldn't be taken lightly!

AmyTVGal
AmyTVGal@Zap2it.com
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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby kpmuse » Wed Jul 03, 2002 1:25 pm

Just wondering if any Kittens have written to TV Guide, and or Matt Roush critic for TV Guide. He has been a Buffy supporter in the past. It would be a great if we could get them to cover this story somehow.

I sent mail online but haven't received any response yet. I'm going to send something by regular mail.

Has anyone written or heard from TV Guide?
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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby the kat whisperer » Sat Jul 06, 2002 12:52 am

I wrote to a whole heap of places, including the viewer relation deptartment of Sky television (viewerr@bskyb.com). Here is what they said:

[quote:2b1f01a745][b:2b1f01a745][i:2b1f01a745]Quote:[/i:2b1f01a745][/b:2b1f01a745]
Thank you for your e-mail about Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

I was concerned to read of disappointment with the storylines in season 6. However, may I suggest that you pass your comments and views on to the distributors 20th Century Fox at the following address:

20th Century House
31-32 Soho Square
London
W1V 6AP

Tel 0207 437 7766

Thank you for your continued interest in Sky.

Kind regards

Morag Carson
Viewer Relations
[/quote:2b1f01a745]

So I promptly wrote to them and now I'm passing on the address to the other UK Kitties. :grin

kw ;)
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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby helpful information perha » Wed Jul 10, 2002 7:36 am

seems Jennifer Nicholson Salke is now 20th century fox's head honcho in charge of all things whedon

so she would be the person to write !


Hollywood Reporter
Nicholson Salke tops 20th TV drama
July 10, 2002

Veteran development executive Jennifer Nicholson Salke is taking the drama reins at 20th Century Fox Television. Nicholson Salke, most recently senior vp drama development at Columbia TriStar Television, has been named senior vp drama at 20th TV, effective immediately. She will oversee the development of new drama projects for the studio as well as the production of 20th TV's returning series "24," "Angel," "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "Judging Amy," "Boston Public" and "The Practice" and new drama series "girls club," "Firefly" and "Septuplets." She is replacing Scott Vila, who stepped down last month to segue into a one-year overall deal with the studio (HR 6/18).
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We Won't Forget - Addresses and Contacts for Letters

Postby Triscuit7 » Wed Jul 10, 2002 8:00 am

I was "speaking" with a straight male friend (and major Tara fan) on another board just this morning and he pointed out that we should not simply focus our attentions on the advertisers on BTVS.

He said include "NOT just who(mever) advertises on Joss's three shows but anyone who does business with the three megacorporate entities." He suggested attacking Joss by sending letters to the Dodgers (same corp as Fox) or CBS (Viacom owns CBS AND UPN).

His other suggestion is to "see how much of the demographic you can throw away from his sponsors. Note, it does not have to be the actual show sponsors. If only one of the two soda companies (Coke and Pepsi are great for this - static market and only two brands) advertises on UPN (or Fox as they finance and sell him) switch to the other. They kill for a .1% buying shift. Strategic use of $ you would spend anyway..."

Why consider his suggestions? He's a person who develops RPGs and the like for his living; in other words strategy and tactics are pretty much second nature to him. What's he done so far? Written to "Fox News thanking them for being part of a group that funded ME. As a reward I promised to switch my TV news viewing from Fox to CNBC and to write every one of their advertisers to tell them so."

Just some things to consider.

Ciao, Triscuit7
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