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Angel - The Discussion Thread

Postby akkatheonefromhdc » Fri Apr 12, 2002 3:02 am

[b:03eb7b998c] There are only 2 threads for Angel this season. One for discussion, one for spoilers. This is the thread to discuss anything Angel. No threads will be made for each individual episode. Do not post or discuss spoilers in this thread. You can find the spoiler thread here.[/b:03eb7b998c]


and i hope you lot don't mind cos its about angel
well you see iv only ever seen season one and whats been showing so far of season three. I AM CONFUSED!
q1. Where's kate?
q2. Where's lindsey?
q3. Has anyone ever bothered to visit faith in jail, or even mention her since she got banged up?
q4. the last ep of angel i saw was when they all went to a ballet, so i was just wondering for all those people who have seen the eps after, is angel still in love with cordelia?
q5. whats a groosalog?
q6 why does everyone keep talking about pyella?
q7. where did fred come from?
thank you for your time
ak
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Postby urnofosiris » Fri Apr 12, 2002 3:40 am

I've changed the thread title, the new eps will be starting soon, this is the place to discuss them and/or any other non spoilery Angel questions. :)
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Postby Hemiola » Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:12 am

um...akkatheonefromhdc, I am supposing that you did [i:985beee9bc] not[/i:985beee9bc] see the previous season, so I shall provide very brief answers:

1. Elizabeth Rohm went to work on another show, so I don't know if we'll be seeing any more of Kate.

2. Lindsay left LA after receiving his "EvilHand":) . No word as to whether or not he will return.

3. It was established at the beginning of Season 2 that Angel regularly visits Faith in jail.

4. As far as I can tell, Angel's growing interest in Cordy remains unrequited, in spite of both Lorne's and Fred's assertions that there is real "kyrumption" (?sp?) between the two:) .

5. The Groosalug was the "Champion of Pylea"; he was supposed to "comshuck" (=mate) with Cordy;) .

6. The "Pylea Arc" occupies the last 5 episodes of "Angel", Season 2

7. Fred was rescued from Pylea by the AI gang.
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Postby tyche » Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:03 am

Didn't want to start a new thread, so I'm posting this here. No major spoilers, but there is some discussion of season 3 eps..

From TV Zone #150
[b:a204b70e78] The Right Pryce[/b:a204b70e78]
[i:a204b70e78] From bookworm to a demons worst nightmare - Wesley Wyndham-Pryce has experienced his fair share of growing pains on Buffy and Angel. Steve Eramo found out more from actor Alexis Denisof.[/i:a204b70e78]
Alexis Denisof chuckles when asked about his first time working in front of a camera. When I was about 11 years old, I appeared in a short public service film that was meant to help raise peoples awareness of CPR and emphasize why its so important to know how to do it, he says. It was called A Life In Your Hands, and we shot it on the observation deck of the Seattle Space Needle. I played a little kid who runs out on the deck and calls to his dad to come look at the view. He turns around only to see his dad clutching his chest and falling over. Fortunately, someone in the crowd knew CPR. They saved the mans life, and he and his family lived happily ever after.
Ironically, a couple of years later, we gathered on day in the auditorium at school and they showed an educational film about CPR. It just happened to be the one I did. You can imagine my surprise when the movie began and my face popped up on screen. Needless to say there was a minor uproar and a lot of teasing that went on later by my fellow classmates.
Nowadays, Denisof is the one whos saving lives each week as Wesley Wyndham-Pryce on Angel. Each week, Wesley and his friends at Angel Investigations fight to save lost souls from the forces of evil. Wesleys battle with all things dark and demonic began on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He came to Sunnydale halfway through the shows third season to take over as Watcher from Giles (Anthony Stewart Head), who had been fired by the Council. Although the actor has come to relish the role, he initially had doubts about even trying out for the show.
Id come to Los Angeles from London for a two-week vacation, recalls the actor. Much to my surprise, I ended up stumbling into a wonderful series of [acting] jobs that kept me in town for longer than I expected. One day my agent phoned me about trying out for a TV series called Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Because Id been living in England and only recently arrived in LA, I wasnt at all familiar with the programme. My agent explained to me that it was a popular cult show with high production values, solidly written and acted. She suggested I take a look at the script and audition.
So I took my agents advice and met with the shows casting director Amy Britt and Joss Whedon. The actual episode introducing Wesley hadnt been written as yet, but Joss wrote a few pages of dialogue between Wesley and Giles. This eventually became the scene where my character first arrives in Sunnydale. I had a very strong view of Wesley right off the bat. Joss and I read through the scene a couple of different ways. I think he and I both discovered the seed that would eventually blossom into the Wesley character. This seemed to amuse us as well as the producers and in the end I was lucky enough to get the part.
The actor could not have been more pleased with his first Buffy episode, Bad Girls, in which Wesley sends the Slayers, Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) and Faith (Eliza Dushku) in search of an ancient amulet. Unfortunately, their mission does not go off precisely as planned.
That was a great introductory story for the character, enthuses Denisof. It quickly established the passive/aggressive relationship he had with both Giles and Buffy. The episode also featured a number of defining moments for Wesley, including the one where he was practically knocked out by Cordelia (Charisma Carpenter). Then there was the problem of him not knowing quite how to handle the Slayers. Up to this point, all of Wesleys experiences were either academic or experimental. This was his first time out in the field where he had to relate to Slayers and make decisions. Nowhere was his navet more obvious than in the scene towards the end of the episode when he and Giles find the monster in the tub. Wesley tries his best to keep a stiff upper lip and all that, but deep down hes slowly becoming unhinged, laughs the actor.
So Bad Girls laid much of the groundwork for Wesley, who, at the time, was a man of great ambition and strong ideas but very little practical knowledge. Heres someone who wanted to appear in control and command but was clearly undone by the spontaneity of real life. He was also a person who had a hard time relating to the opposite sex and undermined himself with his stiffness. Its in all of this, though, where we found the humour. Wesley was constantly slipping on that imaginary banana peel that hed more or less put there himself. We continued to have fun watching that. Alternately, he was being used as a foil for the shows heroic characters because Wesley was not a hero. His particular type of heroism was buried deep down inside him and had yet to emerge. Im guessing his quirky nature appealed to Joss and the shows writers. At least its the only reason I can think of for them deciding to keep the character when the original plan was to kill him off in the next episode [Consequences].
Buffys third season gave Wesley the chance to get to know two of his future colleagues, Angel and Cordelia. However, his bookish personality often got in the way of his bonding with either of them. Wesleys only real interaction with Angel were the times when hed try to capture him, explains Denisof. Hed dealt with Angel by the book in that he was a vampire and all this business of him having a soul was nonsense. Wesley didnt really look at the man who was Angel but chose to focus more on the demon that was Angelus.
In a sense you could say that was true about Buffy as well. He had a clinical approach to the Slayer rather than a personal one, and this was where he differed from Giles. Giles and Buffy had a strong emotional connection, whereas she and Wesley didnt, mainly because he failed to treat her as a person. He saw Buffy as the perfect slaying machine and someone who followed the orders of the Council of Watchers. That was something the audience could relate to. I mean, at one time or another weve all been treated like a number or a machine rather than a human being with feelings and ambitions.
Wesley was guilty of doing just that, and it caused his deteriorating relationship with the two Slayers and the problems he had with Angel when he first arrived in Los Angeles. He finally realized he had to change his approach when it came to how to handle a person, vampire, Slayer, demon etc. He was out in the real world now and couldnt always count on the Council of Watchers manual for the right answers.
As for Cordelia, he was blown away by her at first. Heres a guy who came from a strict English educational system and also someone whos devoted his life to being a Watcher. Thats a 24/7 job, which doesnt leave a lot of time for a social life. As I said before, when Wesley came to Sunnydale, he hadnt had much experience with women. Its not as if hed never encountered them before, but it wasnt an area where he felt either confident or comfortable. This was especially true when he was confronted with a bombshell like Cordelia. Lets just say that for a while there he was at a loss for words!
In Buffys third season finale, Graduation Day, the Slayer saves Angels life after he is poisoned by Faith. After having what can only be described as an epiphany, Angel decides to leave Sunnydale and head for Los Angeles. He plans to make amends for what up to now has been his misspent life by ridding the city of its demons. This was the premise for the spin-off series Angel, which Denisof was to be a part of. I was flattered and excited with the prospect of continuing to flesh out my character, he says. Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt [Angel creators and executive producers] had come up with some great ideas as to how to bring him into this new world they were creating and I was thrilled about that.
Wesley comes to the City of Angels nearly halfway through Angels first season in the episode Parting Gifts. With their friend Doyle (Glenn Quinn) gone, Angel and Cordelia renew their acquaintance with Wesley and join forces to hunt down a demonic bounty hunter. That was a wonderful introductory story, says Denisof. We took a character that Buffy viewers had watched and come to know and re-introduced him. In some ways hes the same Wesley but in other ways hes not. A lot happened to him since Graduation Day. The last we saw of Wesley, he was wearing a neck brace and being bundled into an ambulance after the school had been blown to smithereens. So there was the question of whether or not he would live. Well, he does, and when we next see Wesley hes no longer a Watcher. He roars into Los Angeles on his motorcycle, clad in leather, armed with a crossbow and doing his best impersonation of a bad ass. Angel and Cordelia couldnt believe their eyes!
The ex-Watcher changed more than his wardrobe when he joined Angel. We needed to find things about Wesley that appealed to the shows character as well as viewers, notes Denisof. That wasnt really necessary on Buffy. There were already half-a-dozen characters that fans loved, so it didnt matter if Wesley was liked or not. I mean, he was basically on Buffy to irritate everybody, but we had to do something new with him on Angel. Had we simply gone on and made him more and more irritating, nobody would have bothered to stick around.
I thought the writers did a great job of integrating my character into the show. They revealed aspects of Wesleys personality that helped him bond with the others. Sometimes it was in an amusing, carefree kind of way, other times in a very profound, touching kind of way, and, on occasion, an action-packed, life-saving way. That process continues to this day. We also saw that Wesley brought humour to the office along with his expertise in academics, languages, deductive reasoning, and, naturally, demonic history. His background and training with the Council has come in quite handy, too.
The most important thing to Wesley, though, was that hed finally found a place where he could put his talents to good use. He wasnt being stepped on or ignored by his peers. Wesley actually felt needed. This was a major breakthrough for him in the shows first season. His place on the team was further validated by the fact that he had a history with Cordelia and Angel. Talk about ironic twist. Here were these people whod previously been on opposite sides of the fence so to speak and now theyre working together.
Wesleys relationships with Cordelia and Angel have certainly evolved over the last two-and-a-half years. We know there was this sexual tension between Wesley and Cordelia that didnt bear any fruit, jokes Denisof. They tried their luck at romance, and failed, but theyve come out of it closer than ever. Since they know each other so well they feel free to bicker and trade insults. So thats a delightful relationship. It may have a complicated history, but its also real and has several sides to it. Wesley and Cordelia would lay down their lives for one another, but there are times when you wouldnt think so.
In the case of Angel, they were pretty much enemies before Wesley arrived in Los Angeles. They had a real prejudice towards each other. Surprisingly, though, its Angel who initially opened the door and decided to let bygones be bygones. He was willing to give Wesley another chance when no-one else would, and that had a powerful impact on my character. Since then, I think Wesley has come to look up to Angel. He senses this terribly old soul who has experienced a lot. Thats probably why they work so well together. Wesley brings to the table this brain full of facts and figures while Angel brings all the hands-on knowledge.
The more they work together, the more they come to understand and respect each other. In the second season episode Guise Will Be Guise, Wesley pretends to be Angel, which gives him an even greater insight into who Angel is. As the season unfolds some major changes take place, not least of which is that Angel turns dark and dangerous for a while. Wesley, Cordelia and Gunn respond by going off on their own and Wesley takes charge of this splinter agency. In doing so he proves that he can be a leader and make good decisions. When the foursome eventually reunites, Wesleys newfound abilities are put to good use and he becomes leader of Angel Investigations. By the end of the season he and Angel are on a more equal footing.
However, things begin to get complicated as we get further into this season. Were witnessing the retribution of Angels journey into darkness from last year. It takes the form of Angels baby and prophecies associated with the child. This puts a great deal of pressure on Wesley as hes aware of what these prophecies mean. To make matters worse, Darla is back. This is where the talents of Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt truly shine through. They allow the characters theyve created to grow and develop but along the way throw in curves so that its never smooth sailing for any of them. I love that.
How does Denisof view his characters relationships with Gunn and newcomer Fred? I think Wesley felt a little threatened by Gunn when he first came on the scene, says the actor. At that point, he wasnt as secure about his position with the agency as he is now. Wesley was concerned that the new guy might replace him. An urban street-fighter, hes a type of person that Wesley hasnt encountered before. On the other hand, Gunn hasnt run into too many people like Wesley either. Funnily enough, its their differences on which they base their friendship. When the going gets tough, theyre there for each other.
Things get a bit tricky with the arrival of Fred. Both guys take a shine to her. She inspires something deep within Wesley and hes really interested in her. For the first time, hes met a woman he understands and feels could understand him. He responds to her at a totally different level than he ever did to Cordelia. That makes it all the more heartbreaking when Fred chooses Gunn over him. Not surprisingly, he starts to experience negative emotions such as anger and jealousy. Hes trying his best to keep them under control so that he doesnt jeopardize Fred and Gunns relationship. However, its not easy. This is just one of many challenges this year that continues to make Wesley interesting and fun for me to play.
Despite his on-screen accent, Angels resident Englishman was born in Salisbury, Maryland. Denisof grew up in Seattle and, after, graduating high school travelled through Europe, eventually settling in London. He enrolled in the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Arts to study acting and later worked with the prestigious Royal Shakespeare Company.
That was a tremendous honour, says Denisof. Ive always been a great admirer of their work and the many extraordinarily talented actors and directors to have come out of the RSC. I learnt so much there, and I count myself very lucky.
Denisof has since guested on Highlander, Sharpe and Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), but of all the parts hes played, hes best known as Wesley Wyndham-Pryce on Angel, which suits him fine. The character is teaching me so much about myself and my craft. Oddly enough, Ive found that the more I act, the more mysterious the process becomes to me. Id like to think Im getting better at it, but Im not sure. Of course, it doesnt help that Im my own worst critic!
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Postby Zahir al Daoud » Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:03 pm

What a cool interview! A good read with plenty of insights (especially given that one of the fanfics I'm working on right now involves both Faith and Wesley--no, not in *that* way)! Wesley is one of my favorite characters, and the whole Gunn/Fred thing was heart-rending to watch from his perspective. Remember, Gunn is almost certainly Wesley's best friend ever! And Wesley himself is remarkably young in some ways--its like he's never been a kid and simply gotten to make the kinds of mistakes kids do. Plus the hints we've gotten of his home life--shudders.
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Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Sun Apr 14, 2002 3:54 pm

Great article. One thing that caught my attention- that Joss had intended to kill Wesley off in Consequences. Very glad they decided to keep him around. Wesley's one character that has really grown on me.
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Postby shellybean » Sun Apr 14, 2002 10:27 pm

does anyone know when the next new episode of Angel will be?
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Postby VampNo12 » Sun Apr 14, 2002 10:30 pm

The new episode of Angel is on today April 15.
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Postby tyche » Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:41 am

Charisma article at TV Guide:
www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/insider/020415a.asp
The Greenwalt/Boreanaz interview is over in the spoiler forum, in the Angel spoiler thread.
tyche
 


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Postby Moridin » Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:37 am

OMG
I just saw the new Angel episode
and I dont know how others will react, but I thought it rocked, the ending was a bit expected though, but still, all's good to me pretty much.
Moridin
 


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Postby AutumnT » Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:12 pm

OK I need to know. What the hell is Charisma Carpenter doing right now that has made her miss 3 weeks of [i:ada5212666] Angel[/i:ada5212666]? Alyson Hanigan and SMG manage to shoot movies without missing a single ep of [i:ada5212666] Buffy[/i:ada5212666] and this with this episode they've given Charisma a whole solid month off of shooting. What gives? Does anyone who hangs at [i:ada5212666] Angel[/i:ada5212666] sites too know?
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Postby tommo » Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:27 pm

There's one reason I'm still watching this show.

Lilah.

She's just the best thing in it. Whiny Angel, no Cordelia, bah. Go Lilah with your bad self. Yum. ;)
tommo
 


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Postby Hemiola » Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:30 am

All I can say is: YIKES!!!
I really couldn't take my eyes off the screen last night, everything was going on at such a feverishly intense pitch:eek ! There really is no question that as an actor, DB has much more "go" when he's being "dark" and "vicious" (Did everyone notice how menacingly he told Fred to "Move":eek ?). Fred, Gunn and Lorne were also in top form. One wonders what's going to happen to Justine and her collection of "Holtz Groupies" now. And I must certainly echo AutumnT above and ask where the frilly heck is CC??? I sure hope that there aren't any "contract negotiation" problems or anything like that:eek .

So here I thought that Sahjon had something against Angel personally, and it turns out that it was the kid all along. I am no expert at film editing, but it looked to me like the final fight with Sahjon had a slightly "jerky" feel to it, as if some frames had been randomly excised from the scene to make it feel less "smooth"? I have heard of this technique being used to make the viewer feel a bit more "disoriented".

I agree with tommo about how excellent Stephanie Romanov was, but so was the chap who played her "boss" at W & H ([i:076e96d598] loved[/i:076e96d598] the interaction between these two during the summoning ceremony, with Lilah making like she was going to cut him, but then using her own blood*snark*). I wonder what they're going to do to Angel now ("He'll pay for this." the guy said:eek )?
I really can't wait for next week:) .
And unlike the previous poster, I did [b:076e96d598] not[/b:076e96d598] expect the ending to go down the way it did.
Hemiola
 


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Postby Moridin » Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:09 am

I wasnt expecting it from the first second and all trough, it was a thought that grew trough the episode, and when we got close to finding Wesly I was considering it pretty likely, and when he said "I'm me, I'm Angel, not Angelus, it's important for me that you know that" I became certain, it was still a great episode I think, one of their best (of course, that might be eons of buffy/angelless tvwatching talking (well, ok, weeks, but it feels like eons))
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Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:45 am

Wow, great ep. I'm really wondering what's up with CC as well. The trailer had her in next weeks ep, though, right? I will admit, though, that I've been enjoying the storyline more without the Angel mooning over Cordy stuff. It'll be interesting to see what happens when she does come back.
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Postby Dumbsaint » Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:25 am

Heh. I was um, otherwise occupied last night and didn't get a chance to watch or tape Angel. I know all the places to read transcripts or download eps of Buffy the next day, but I find myself not having a clue where to find this kind of thing for Angel. Anybody have any helpful ideas for me? There could be smut involved as a reward. ;)
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Postby Moridin » Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:34 am

if you had an ftp, I could send you the ep, the soundquality wasnt the best though.
Moridin
 


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Postby BBOvenGuy » Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:43 am

I was enjoying this episode through most of it. I had even decided to suspend my disbelief when it came to Wesley lying there [b:249a1a274d] forever[/b:249a1a274d] with his throat cut and not dying. Maybe Justine should take lessons from Drusilla. :)

Then came the ending. It turned out to be the ending of my enjoyment.

What the heck was that all about? Angel gets a perfectly reasonable explanation for what Wesley did, he helps look for Wesley, he gets that talk from Lorne, he goes to the hospital and looks all conciliatory and then [b:249a1a274d] BOOM[/b:249a1a274d]. I didn't see it coming, and I wanted to see it leaving as quickly as possible.

I mean yeah, I can understand Angel being hurt. I can understand Angel finding it difficult to forgive Wesley, even though there was a rational explanation for what happened. I can't understand Angel frothing at the mouth in a murderous fury. Let's just say I would have written it differently - a much more quiet anger. I think it would have been better.

But no, Angel is apparently going to the dark side again and his family is breaking up again. Didn't we do this last year? Has Mutant Enemy completely forgotten how to have fun?

I just hope Cordelia gets back soon, because the resumption of her "I'm part demon" story arc is really the only thing about this show that interests me right now.
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Postby Moridin » Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:03 am

well parenting is more instinct and raw emotion then logic, in most ppl's cases anyway, there are MANY examples of accidental deaths or good intentions going awry where the parents/children of the one(s) who died never forgave. So personally I'd have had alot more difficulty beliving him going all "oh, so thats why my son is gone forever and likely dead, hmm, yeah that makes sense, forgiven, lets have tea" and while the scene was 'cool' I guess the "frothing at the mouth but still not managing to fight against 2 orderlies and chosing to suffocate with a pillow and not snap the neck or drain the blood" thing was a bit hard to consider belivable.
Moridin
 


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Postby tommo » Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:06 am

Face it, it was pants. This show...honestly, the first season was so great and I loved it. Now it's torture.
tommo
 


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Postby tyche » Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:42 am

Mystery solved about the spelling of he-whose-name-has-been-more-mangled-than-any-other-in-the-Buffyverse,ever:
www.voy.com/14810/58920.html
So now ya know. ;)

And yeah, don't talk to me about Angel. Right now, I want to take a pool cue, stick one end through Angel and the other end through Spike. Nobody messes with my Wes. Grrrr.
tyche
 


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Postby JoanneHillier » Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:16 pm

I agree with that I love Cordy and she should be back on it again. I didn't like when Angel quit last year and this year seems to be going the same way, how many seasons are they going to keep going the same direction.
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Postby Hemiola » Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:41 am

Of course the episode brings up another question: who or what was the little girl in the "White Room", and will we be seeing her again? Is it possible that she is the physical manifestation of one of the mysterious "senior partners"?

Anybody got any ideas??
Hemiola
 


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Postby Kalita » Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:07 am

I dunno... her purpose seemed to be more for providing obscure demonic information, such as Sahjahn's history and how to make him corporeal again. She did use 'we' when they say how he was turned ehtereal, so whatever entity she is, she must have somehow participated.

We may yet find out. Or not. :\
Kalita
 


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Postby Zahir al Daoud » Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:42 pm

Alas, I only saw the last half but what I saw seemed great. Without Cordy, and kicked in the privates by events (losing the son he never thought he could have, just for starters!), Angel starts to lose control. And just in case anybody's forgotten--Angel's self-control is all that's holding that bloodthirsty demon he's got in check!

Lilah was great. So was Fred and Gunn, and Justine, and Wesley...just great.
Zahir al Daoud
 


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Postby girlwiththebraids » Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:46 pm

did anyone else enjoy Fred punching Justine as much as I did?

also, not specifically this week, but don't you just love the cute way she calls Gunn by his first name in that sweet voice...

okay...i might have a crush on Fred...

but on a more serious note, the ending, though kind of predictable, still freaked me out...i don't like this side of Angel when it hits this extreme...

braids
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Postby WillowLikeWhoa » Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:11 pm

The girl in the white room reminded me of the Red Queen from the Resident Evil movie. A huge power represented by a child. Kind of creepy if you ask me.
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Postby tommo » Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:20 pm

Shock tactics. And children are always evil. Trust me. ;)
tommo
 


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Postby JJtheCool » Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:13 pm

This was the first ep I've seen in a while, so I'm forced to play catch up. Since when did Cordy become part-demon?

As for "Forgiving" the ending was a shocker to me.

[b:69946fe907] please edit your sig, it's too big[/b:69946fe907]
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Postby tyche » Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:35 pm

She became half-demon in the ep 'Birthday', b/c she was unable to cope with the visions as a human.
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