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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:28 am

Enjoy.


Why can't 'Buffy' creator get any respect?

By Allan Johnson

Tribune television reporter


Published September 30, 2001


Maybe it's the name that doesn't get Joss Whedon any respect.

Not his name, but the name of the television series he produces. The moniker is one part supernatural, one part high school cheerleader:

"Buffy the Vampire Slayer."

It doesn't exactly sound like "Masterpiece Theatre.

Even the show's star says the title wasn't warmly embraced at first.

"People didn't want the show named 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' because they were afraid it would turn people off," said Sarah Michelle Gellar, who plays the title character.

But the series (7 p.m. Tuesdays, WPWR-Ch. 50) has garnered the devotion of a legion of hard-core fans and TV critics around the country, even as the blond demon-slayer and her posse struggle to break through to mainstream recognition.

"It's always had a respect on the fringe, where people are saying, 'Oh, this is a cool show,' " said Anthony C. Ferrante, editor and publisher of genre entertainment magazine Cinescape.

Whedon himself is respected in Hollywood as a writer, producer and director who shepherds a smartly written, well-executed show that is as scary as it is wise, and that uses its sci-fi/supernatural/action elements as metaphors for the frightening trials and tribulations that all people -- young or old -- encounter in life.

But even though the series is coming off what may be its best season yet, last spring the show was essentially let go by its former network, the WB. "Buffy's" sixth season will debut Tuesday on UPN, which picked up the show after the WB dropped it last spring over money issues.

Worse yet, in July "Buffy" and its cast were snubbed completely by members of the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. The lack of a single Emmy nomination this year was a shock to many who thought the show had reached a high point last years on.

"I'm not saying I threw a party," laughed Whedon, 37, while on a break from production in his offices in Los Angeles.

The show was considered a lock for a writing nomination for Whedon's emotionally charged episode "The Body," in which Buffy finds her mother (Kristine Sutherland) dead. Gellar herself also seemed destined for a best actress Emmy nod for her remarkable performance in the episode.

"The thing about awards are you know exactly how much of it, quite frankly, is [garbage], and how much of it is actually meaningful and is your peers honoring you," Whedon said.

"It's something we all want, it's recognition we all want. It's also good business. It helps a show, it helps the companies I work for and work with if the show is honored like that.

"It's disappointing," Whedon added, "but at the end of the day, the critics treat us with enormous respect. Our fans love our show, we love our show. And so it's not really that important."

Flying under radar

Whedon thinks the lack of an Emmy nomination this year (he got a nod last year for writing the haunting, mostly dialogue-free episode "Hush") is due to factors beyond his control -- chiefly, the network not making enough noise about the show.

"Last year's campaign was based on, `Don't say what the show is, and people will watch it unsuspecting.' And it worked," Whedon said.

The same mind-set of flying under the radar and not making a huge noise about the show was again applied this year, but "that was a mistake," Whedon said. "This year we should have been [saying], `Remember us? Remember us?' In the end, `Buffy the Vampire Slayer' [being nominated once] turned out to be a fluke."

"We don't make the show to win awards," Gellar said last summer at the Television Critics Association's annual press tour.

"The reason we stayed on the air in our first 13 [episodes] was because we had this incredibly strong fan base, this Internet fan base, fans that would write in to magazines."

But that rabid fan base may add to the perception that "Buffy" is just another cult show.

"There just seems to be this conception that anything involved with the fantasy world automatically means that it's a silly show," said E!Online's Wanda, who adds that the sci-fi TV classic "The Twilight Show" never won an Emmy for best series.

Compounding the possible genre bias is the fact that "Buffy" has always been marketed toward a younger audience -- despite the fact that the show tells universal stories involving well-intentioned, realistically flawed human beings who are gamely trying to navigate life's roadblocks.

"The name `Buffy the Vampire Slayer' doesn't exactly call to people in their 40s or 50s. However, I know a lot of people in their 40s and 50s who watch the show and love it," said sociologist Patricia Baker, who owns Massachusetts-based advertising and marketing company the Big Picture Agency.

"You have a young crowd that's very interested in the show and loves the show, but that might turn off a number of older people who actually might find it as interesting as I do."

Breaking through

The down side of being a cult series is "it does sort of put you in a niche that some people are just [put off by]," said Whedon, who wrote the screenplay for the original 1992 feature "Buffy" and received an Oscar nomination for co-writing "Toy Story."

The series itself averaged about 4.4 million viewers per show when it was the WB, numbers that would ensure its cancellation on any other network. But never underestimate the power of a cult series: Fox's "The X-Files" is an example of a show that started with a small following and eventually crossed over into mainstream hit territory.

From "Xena: Warrior Princess" to "Roswell" -- all the way back to the original "Star Trek" -- most cult shows thrive because of the devotion of their fans. Some do make the leap into mainstream success: Making that happen is the challenge now faced by "Buffy's" creators and UPN executives.

Still, Whedon vows not to water down the show to get "Buffy" into the Nielsen Top 10.

"I'd rather have 100 people who need to see my show than 1,000 people who like to see my show," he said. "I'll take the badge of `cult' and wear it very proudly. It means the show's affecting people on a different level."

Cult or not, the show is a valuable addition to the UPN stable, which needed "Buffy's" strong female demographic after establishing itself as the home for young male viewers with WWF wrestling and the now-defunct "Star Trek: Voyager."

"Buffy" was available because the WB didn't want to renew its licensing agreement last season for the $2 million per episode 20th Century Fox Television was asking, even though the series gave the mini-network serious credibility when it premiered in 1997 after a string of lame WB comedies and weak dramas fizzled.

Harsh words

WB head Jamie Kellner didn't help matters during negotiations when he said, "We will take all the revenue we can generate with `Buffy' and we'll give it to you in a giant wheelbarrow. And if that's not enough, then take it to somebody else. You've demonstrated you're not the kind of partner we should be doing business with."

After some nasty public feuding between the "Buffy" camp and WB execs, UPN eventually signed a two-year, 44-episode deal for a reported $2.3 million per episode the first year and $2.35 million the second. The pact also called for UPN to pick up "Angel," a "Buffy" spinoff that airs Monday at 8 p.m. on WGN-Ch. 9, if the WB canceled it. Ironically, the WB kept "Angel" because the series, which is more action-oriented than "Buffy," brings what UPN already has and what the WB craves -- male viewers.

It's now been several months since the battle over "Buffy" ended, and things seem to have settled down; Whedon and Co. continue to make "Angel" for the WB.

"There's no bad blood with the WB," said Marti Noxon, an executive producer for "Buffy." "It was business that changed that relationship. And so we still talk to all the WB representatives and executives about issues relating to `Angel.'"

But Whedon is excited that "Buffy," which has also spun off comic books and a new animated series, now has a network partner that is supportive of its quest for greater recognition: "They're pushing the show really hard."

Not only is UPN promoting the show heavily, new viewers may be drawn by "Buffy's" reruns, which now can be seen five nights a week at 6 p.m. on 20th Century Fox's FX cable network.

"Because they're going to be rerunning it on FX, people are going to be jumping in and saying `Oh, this is what this is about, wow, this is . . . great,'" Ferrante said.

"And then [those viewers are] going to bleed over into the UPN audience."

For new episodes, Whedon is concentrating on business as usual, which includes bringing Buffy back from the dead. She sacrificed herself to save her sister Dawn (Michelle Trachtenberg) in last season's finale.

Noxon and Whedon wouldn't give much details about the coming season, though it's known that Buffy's "watcher" or mentor, Rupert Giles, will now only be a recurring character because actor Anthony Stewart Head wanted to return to England to be with his family. But they did say that Buffy's resurrection in Tuesday's potent two-hour premiere will reverberate through the season.

"It's not just `Poof, I'm back!' and everything's fine," Noxon said. "There's going to be some serious repercussions to the fact that she died and stayed dead for some time."

Gotta sing

Having led the show itself back from a near-death experience to possibly breakthrough success, Whedon is forging ahead with "Buffy" and "Angel," content that his vision for both won't be clouded with desire for Emmy glory.

An indication of his resolve is "Buffy's" all-singing episode, which will air in November.

Taking such chances is proof that Whedon isn't changing the series just so he can get the respect that a statue might give him: "If that were the reason I was making shows, it certainly wouldn't be called `Buffy the Vampire Slayer.'"

Copyright 2001, [url=/]Chicago Tribune[/url]

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:28 am

Excellent interview - thanks for posting!

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:28 am

thanks for posting the interview!

i love that joss understands how important the fan base is - getting an emmy isn't important... well... not much. maybe UPN can do summat about that next year.

i'm totally looking forward to the new season... and bigger budget can only be a good thing.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:28 am

First and foremost, JJ, many thanks for posting the interview !

Second, it's good to see that Joss is not concerned with winning awards. He shouldn't be.

There is a famous story that was told about the pop pianist, Liberace: an interviewer once asked him if he was hurt by the fact that reviewers never took him seriously as a musician, and always talked about how "campy" he was and how his act was in "bad taste". He replied very simply--"Yes. It's hurts me so much, I cry all the way to the bank ."

Joss continues to make his fans happy, and he will prosper because of it, even if he never wins a single award.
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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:29 am

Jamie Kellner. What an ass. Sorry. I felt the urge.

Thanks for this. And I like what Joss said about 100 people needing to see his show rather than 1,000 who don't. Love that man.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:29 am

Thanks JJ, and I can't tell you how happy I am that Buffy is on UPN now and left to morons at the WB behind.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:29 am

Thanks for posting that!

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:29 am

Thanks for all the kind responses. Just for that, I give you another article fr the Trib's TV section. I didn't notice it until today, but again it's from the Sunday paper.

FEATURE
`Buffy' ready to return

By Kate O'Hara
Tribune Media Services
Published September 30, 2001

Unless they've been in Antarctica or something, fans of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" should now know two very important facts: the show, formerly on The WB, has moved to UPN; and, despite the tombstone at the end of the season finale, Buffy lives.

Well, to be precise, Buffy's (Sarah Michelle Gellar) still in her grave in demon-ridden Sunnydale, Calif., but at some point over the course of the series' two-hour sixth-season opener, airing Tuesday, Oct. 2, at 8 p.m., she comes back. How this happens has been the subject of intense speculation and rumor-mongering for months, and the truth is about to be revealed.

Last May, the series celebrated its 100th episode with a blowout finale called "The Gift," in which Buffy sacrificed her life to save her little sister from an evil hell-god called Glory and prevent the destruction of the world (making this maybe the sixth time Buffy has saved the world, but who's counting).

Although the ending was a shock to fans (those that hadn't read the Internet spoilers, anyway), it was no big surprise to those working for series creator and guiding light Joss Whedon.

"No, no," says co-executive producer Marti Noxon. "Originally, years ago, Joss used to say that, at the end of the fifth season, that Sunnydale was going to get sucked into the Earth. Then he realized that, if he did that, we would have no franchise, and we'd have to get all new sets, and they wouldn't pay to rebuild it. It would be really hard.

"It was a good idea, though, really cool. It's definitely not something you would expect. So, for years, that was the plan. Then as we got closer, he thought, 'Oh, the show's going to keep going. We can't do that.' "

So, early on in season five, he decided to do in his main character. "(We said) 'Whuh?'," says Noxon. "We've sort of learned to go with Joss' ideas, because they seem to work out real well. Our first reaction, of course, was 'How? What does it mean? What's the thematic resonance? Where's it going to leave us?' Joss had answers for all of that that made a lot of sense to us."

And so Buffy was sucked into an interdimensional vortex opened because Glory discovered the true nature of Buffy's sister, Dawn (Michelle Trachtenberg). Not really human, but instead an energy "key" in human form, Dawn could be used to open portals between dimensions, allowing exiled Glory to get back home. But since Dawn's humanity was based on Buffy's DNA - her blood - Buffy's sacrifice was enough to close the portal and save the day.

As the episode ended, Buffy's broken but immaculately coiffed body lay in the rubble, with all her friends standing around in shock - except for one. Tough-guy vampire Spike (James Marsters), whose reluctant allegiance with Buffy gradually blossomed into full-blown love, crumpled in a heap, sobbing into his hands.

"Yeah, well," says the actor, "he failed."

Lacking a soul (but, apparently, not a heart), Spike hasn't been very big on guilt or remorse about all the people he has killed in his vampiric career. That's about to change.

"One of the things that was so Spike-like," says Marsters, "was that he had no guilt. Now he has incredible guilt. He promised to protect Dawn. He didn't do that. He screwed up. He failed Buffy. Buffy's dead. How much more guilt can you have?"

As the season opens, some time later, everyone's still reeling from the shock, and trying to find a way out of this situation and the emotional wreckage it has caused. Apparently, since the show continues to be called "Buffy," they do (at least the resurrecting Buffy part - the emotions will take a lot longer to sort out).

"What I can promise you is it's done in a dramatically credible way, not cheesy at all, " says Marsters. "It all comes down to the way you pull it off. There are only seven stories you can tell, and it all comes down to execution."


Copyright 2001, Chicago Tribune

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:30 am

Nice. My adopted home city printing all this information, heh heh. Makes me proud by default.

I can't read any more of this kind of stuff. It gets me too excited. But thanks for posting it.

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Postby Unregistered(d) » Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:30 am

oy vey. thanks for putting that last article in THE SPOILER THREAD.

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