San Diego Comic Con

[Rally]

I will have more on Nancy Holder later when I make my full report.

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Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[sparrow]

*flies in throwing napkins from Dick's*



Good morning to all the kittens who I met while in line for Joss and the lovely and drool inspiring Amber . I have to tell everyone that I was in line right behind xita and rally and have to confirm that there was a conspiracy afoot. Right as they were going up to Joss his handlers stop them and it's like 5 minutes before they get to face Joss with the truth, definetly a conspiracy.



Well back to Dick, boy does that sound funny. Had a blast and truly enjoyed all the drinking, napkin throwing, spilling of beer-not my beer of course, taco tattoo man and the special shots. So loved meeting everyone and a special hug to the one who hooked me up with the ticket to see Amber, I owe you one.



*flies to perch on the door overhang to await pictures and more stories of kitten revalry and napkin tosses*

And, yet, I just can't seem to care


I'm not coming back

[WebWarlock]

Looking forward to the full report Rally!



See with Rally here we get detail! Others have to bow before us when comes to getting information.



So you all went back to Dick's huh.



God, you so had to have known you would never live that one down.



Warlock

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Web Warlock

The Other Side, home of Liber Mysterium: The Netbook of Witches and Warlocks

What the hell is your problem? - Ozzy Osbourne to me, October, 1997.

[Dumbsaint]

What's all this nonsense about napkin throwing? For God's sake, Xita, was Panty that much in short supply this weekend?



Allow me to remedy that most appalling of situations...



*fling*

"It's not real. I mean, there are no vampires, there are no witches. Well, there are Wiccans, but they're not making out with Alyson, so..." -Amber Benson

[Puff]

All this comes from the Bronze and a poster called Faith_Forever. Please don't make me go back there to look for more This person is a HUGE Joss fan so please hold back your vomiting kittens. Here's the overview from the talk he did. Oh and it contain spoilers for season 7...I guess.







Not sure if anyone else has posted about this. I just got back from Comic Con in San Diego and was at Joss' talk on Saturday. He's so funny. He's just a great guy.



Firefly



Joss showed the promo for Firefly that's aired before, that looks pretty cool. The showed a couple minute clip. Not sure what to think, since it's a little weird watching the middle of a show you don't know what's going on. It's more Star Wars than Star Trek. The lead character is basically Han Solo. It's a bizarre ensemble cast and is the Old West meets Space, but the Old West stuff is far more heavily evident then I thought.



Joss was asked about Firefly and Buffy lingo, and how they were going to develop Firefly's way of speak. He was also asked about all the physics of Firefly and where it would be located. Joss basically said they weren't going to be as Trekian with science. The clip showed the bathroom, so they're concentrating on how these people live on the fringe of society more and who they are more.



Fray



The whole thing was sponsored by Dark Horse comics, but Joss only briefly mentioned Fray. He's finally getting to work finishing it. Some issues will be coming out this fall.



My thoughts on Firefly: It's probably going to be a cool show, but it's going to be a tough sell. Joss made a joke about hoping it will be on next year, and I think there will be serious issues about that. It's not like anything I've seen before, and the typical, average viewer might have a difficult time being convinced to watch. It's not Star Trek, it's not Buffy. It's a real different view of the future. Sci-fi shows have a hard time attracting viewers, and the ant-Star Trek feel might turn off the sci-fi nerds. Hopefully Fox will give it a chance. It could be cool. Joss is a god, so it will be good.



Joss was asked about the “Bathroom Incident” and when they decided to do it. (there’s a rumor that it was added last minute because fans didn’t think Spike was bad enough to need a soul) Joss answered that it was an obvious result of the way things were progressing in Spike and Buffy’s unhealthy relationship and wasn’t added at the last minute. He went on to say that S/B were both testing boundaries, power and limits and roleplaying and eventually it would go too far. He also said it was important that it happened in the same episode where Warren shot Tara and Buffy. That show was about the abuse of power and male dominance. He said the nerds and B/S are sort of along the same path in S6. It all starts out as fun and games and then goes out of control.



Joss was asked how dare they consider doing Season 8 of Buffy with SMG. Joss replied they weren’t. The guy clarified that there were quotes from ME people saying they were. Joss said that UPN wants to do more seasons of Buffy and SMG’s contract is up at the end of S7. He is confident that any of the ensemble cast could carry the show. They wouldn’t try to do Buffy without Buffy, but it would be just as good of a show without Buffy.



The last question was about how ME decides to kill a character. Joss had a great answer. Let me try to do justice to it. He said it was difficult to kill Tara and it made them physically ill since they love the character and Amber so much. But it was all about trying to let Willow and Aly grow. Joss thought that Dark Willow was the greatest evil and sympathic character they've had on Buffy and that he was amazed at Aly's performance.



The OMWF soundtrack is coming out Sept 17’th.



Joss’s favorite episode is Innocence. The episode he had the most fun filming was Angel’s Waiting in the Wings.



I think almost all of the spoiler-ish stuff from Joss at Comic Con have already hit the ‘net. Here’s my overview



-Faith will return to Buffy and Angel. Joss added under his breath that he hoped it didn’t fall through.



-No Darla. She’s staying dead. Joss said he loves Julie, but probably no flashbacks either. He made a joke about Boreanaz and the wigs.



-Maybe Dru, maybe not. Joss isn’t sure about Dru coming back.



-No Gentlemen. Joss said he’s toyed with the idea, but in the ends thinks it’s best that they live only in Hush.



-Anya’s singing in Episode 5. Joss confimed with Emma said, and added that it will be a flashback to OMWF. Seems like they’re fleshing out Anya’s character more and giving Emma more to do as an actress in S7.



Other Stuff:

-Joss kept saying over and over again how tired he was. Poor guy, he's way over worked.

-Joss was asked about how in the world he could have written something as bad as Waterworld. He replied that it wasn't his fault, that there were too many big egos and no one caring about the idea, which he still thinks is really cool and could have been awesome.

-Mutant Enemy Is NOT doing a Dr. Who show. It's a completely bogus internet rumor.

-Joss coughed * traitor * when he said David Greenwalt’s name, then joked about it, but it seemed like Greenwalt’s defection’s left some hard feelings.

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You know, it's a real deal relationship and that's why people can relate to it
Amber Benson

Edited by: Puff  at: 8/5/02 11:22:06 am

[WebWarlock]

The only thing in this posting that isn't vile is this:

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No Gentlemen. Joss said he’s toyed with the idea, but in the ends thinks it’s best that they live only in Hush.

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That is the only intelligent thing the man has said.



So he is mad that Greenwalt left. Well who is to blame for that?

I see Angel on a rollcoaster trip to hell now.



Won't even respond to the crap about Tara, Amber, Willow and Aly. Blood pressure is too high now.



Thanks Puff for doing our recon work.



Warlock

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Web Warlock

The Other Side, home of Liber Mysterium: The Netbook of Witches and Warlocks

What the hell is your problem? - Ozzy Osbourne to me, October, 1997.

[helpful information perha]

i must have missed something, who is nancy holder and what did she say?

[feena191]

Thanx for all the reports guys (especially melonie's ) , & special thanks to Xita & Rally. You said a wonderful thing, & you’re the perfect ambassadors of the Kitten Board. He needed to hear this, even if he didn’t want to.



I’m amazed Nancy Holder would say something like that in front of people, when she would be overheard, whatever she might think in private. Not a good move!



Can’t wait to hear the audio & see more pics…though I don’t like the sound of evil things...

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"Run, flee, maybe skedaddle. We're not here to engage, this is strictly recon......what?"

"You said recon, you're like cool monster fighter."

Edited by: feena191  at: 8/5/02 11:48:12 am

[Dave V]

Thanks, Puff.



Joss called Greenwalt a traitor, did he? Hmm. There are other perspectives about Mr. Greenwalt's leaving which I won't discuss in detail here - his contract being up, money becoming an issue, etc., etc.



Back to the old song and dance about Tara/Amber. And Willow? I'm glad it was Xita who talked to the man. I try to be civil in all my social dealings, but sometimes...

[Rally]

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So you all went back to Dick's huh

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Anyone want to take a wild stab at where I had lunch on Sunday? I will have a full report on the Dick, as well as pictures of the Dick and Taco.

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Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[tommo]

So this is what happens when I go away then eh? Xita decides to try out the Dick. Sigh. Xita, I know Tara's dead and everything, but are things really that bad? *shakes head*

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It's dirty. It's all dirty. And all
over me. Dirty, dirty, bad. Bad!

[Rosenberg]

“He replied that it wasn't his fault, that there were too many big egos…”



Whedon talking about big egos? Does anyone else find this ironic, or is it just me?

[drlloyd11]

What does it mean that April gave me a coupon for the dick?

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So this is what happens when I go away then eh? Xita decides to try out the Dick. Sigh. Xita, I know Tara's dead and everything, but are things really that bad? *shakes head*

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[xita]

See Ruth you can't leave me alone! I have some pics from Dick's but I am making sure everyone is ok with their mug being on the internet

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"Oooh Xita!" - Amber Benson

[helpful information perha]

"He also said it was important that it happened in the same episode where Warren shot Tara and Buffy. That show was about the abuse of power and male dominance."



um if this is the case why is it that no one seemed to pick up on that even now how long after the fact?!



I saw a producer playing out his sexual fantasy's and feeding his ego via dominance over his characters via sexual violence being pushed right into out right SNUFF !



Whedon really is spinning isn't he, first its oh we were trying to make the point guns are bad

now its male domination

my gawd when is this guy going to grow and and take some responsibility for the trash he has spewed on the airwaves?!



and don't EVEN get me started about the killing tara to make willow/aly grow



because frankly if Vengance and heinous acts of MURDER are what he considers growth experiences he should be institutionalized, not given free reign to write for the family hour

[tommo]

Oh. It's just their mug that's going to be on the internet then? Pity.

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It's dirty. It's all dirty. And all
over me. Dirty, dirty, bad. Bad!

[bowieinberlin]

Thanks to Xita, rally, Sparrow and all you guys that posted reports... and I'm waiting to hear more about this mysterious evening with "dick"

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"My log does not judge!"

[KrisBo5]

Hello, Kittens,

Well, I did go down to the Con and woo-hoo, am I glad I did.



On Friday, we were just walking around, and we happened by the Inkworks booth and I peeked over and there was Amber. Whoa! I jumped in line and waited about 40 minutes and then there she was: overalls covered in paint, orange Florida t-shirt with holes in it, pink striped socks, tennies. So, I walked up and said “Hi, how are you?” She said “I’m fine, how are you doing?” Of course I said I was a huge fan and she said “Oh, thank you so much.” She asked who did I want the autograph made out to and then signed her comic, a promo card, and a postcard. I told her I had read her comic and really liked it, that I could see how much she’d grown as a comic writer from her first one, and she said(as if she was really surprised) “Oh, really? You really liked it?” I did, and I said so. She said, “Thank you so much. It’s a blast.” Then I inquired about the second issue, and she said that the story was done, but they lost the artist(the one who had done the first book) and they had to wait for an artist to be hired. So, she had no date for the last issue. I said I thought she had a beautiful singing voice, and did she always sing that high. She said, “No, Joss tricked me! He brought a keyboard in and played it and then when I went into the studio it was in a higher key.” She said she nailed it in one take, and that James Marsters was in after her, but she kept saying, “No, one more, let me do one more.” She was so cute and funny. I said thanks and she said thanks and we left.



But then, we came back about 20 minutes later, with something else to sign and no one was there. We walked straight up and said “Hi, again!” She smiled and said, “Back so soon?” I laughed and asked her about her movie, what was going on with it; she smiled and said that it was going to be showed in Birmingham at the film festival. Of course I said “Great! Good luck!” She said “Thank you so much. Bye you guys.” And then we left. Left happily, I might add!



We missed Emma Caulfield upstairs, but my brother went and watched her movie called “Tooth Fairy” and sat in on the Q&A. Said the movie was okay. When the Q&A started, the writer/director talked about the movie and all the things they tried to do, then opened the floor for questions. The guy said, “Okay, the first Buffy question goes to. . .” and sure enough, someone stood up and asked Emma about Buffy. She said she had been talked to and that this was the last season as far as she knew. Didn’t say much more(as far as he could remember—he was pretty tired!) I went up there, after Amber, and saw Emma from about 50 feet. Her hair is very dark brown and she was waving to everyone and smiling.



So, on Saturday, I worked my way out to the autograph area and met James “Clem” Leary and talked to him a bit. Told him how hugely popular he is on the internet and stuff. He gave me a flyer fo his fan club and official website. I got his autograph and a picture with him; I asked him if he was going to be back this season and he said that they had called him for his availability and that that was a good sign.



On to Virginia Hey(Farscape), Richard Trebor(Xena & Hercules), Michael Chaote(B5), Paul Dini, etc.



Then, back in line for Amber again. Got in line at about 2:15 pm and immediately saw several women wearing “got tara?” t-shirts with the website monikers. Got very excited and braved the waters: asked one if she was xita and woo-hoo, it was! I was so excited. I just introduced myself and told her how much I loved the site and that I was writing a story on there and just, well, thank you!!! I took a picture of her and—wait for it. . . Rally! So much fun. Saw some Amberholics, also. Started chatting with the women in front of me and, lo-and-behold, it was 4WiccanLuv! We talked about Amber, the site and my story; she was such a sweetie, giving me all kinds of compliments—so good for the ego!



Then, when Amber showed up again(about 15 minutes late, but who’s counting?), she was just as personable as she had been the day before. I said hi and she said “Hi, how are you this morning?” Then she made a funny face and said, “Well, I should say this afternoon, huh? I’m a geek.” I laughed. I had brought her first comic with me and she said, “Oh, wow, this is the old one!” I said, “Yeah, but it was excellent.” So, she signed both issue covers, plus the painted cover of her new one. Then I asked if I could get a photo with her and she said, “Of course!” So, I got one. Yay me! Then my cousin had two cards signed and we thanked her and as we were leaving, she said, “I won’t be here tomorrow, you guys!” We laughed and said bye and ran off to “covet” our Amber experience. Still coveting as I type this. . . .



Okay, so here’s one more bit. I did go over to see Joss. Don’t hate me, please. I didn’t hear him speak or anything, but I did want to get my first issue of “Fray” signed. I’m bad, I know. He came early to the Dark Horse booth, which could have meant a couple of things: his Q&A upstairs was over quickly because no one was there, or it got heated and pretty ugly, or it just ended early. Anyway, the line was very long and my brother had saved my spot for me(about 15 in). So, I got to the front(sorry, I’m a comic geek) and had him sign “Fray #1” and my Watcher’s guide. I asked him about the last issue of Fray and he said it wasn’t done and he was very, very busy, and wasn’t sure when it would be out, that he was working on it. No time for much else as they were filing people through very quickly. If it makes anyone feel better, he looked pretty strung out—tired, haggard, pale, out of it. But I will say this, he got there early and started signing, and when we popped back in later, he was still signing past his scheduled time.



Then, I went off and did other Con things, like the Masquerade and all that good stuff, but all I could talk about was Amber and xita and the website and Amber. How lovely she was. And her mom(who she looks so much like I can’t believe it!) and sister—totally nice. Her mom just kept saying how wonderful we fans were and I just kept thinking, can you blame us? Just look how great your daughter is. Beautiful, talented, kind! Anyway, that was my first ComicCon and I thought it was pretty excellent! Okay, it was F*cking awesome!!! I took lots of pictures and when they get developed, I’ll figure out how to post them; maybe I can send them to some kind kitten and they can do it???



Until then. . .

Kris

“Frell that!”

[xita]

Ahhh that was you..kris! I got so confused.. hee flattered you wanted my picture . Yay, wow! You are my celeb! I love your fic , good lord I worship it! Now I am happy i met you And if you want to send pictures to me, I'll put them up!

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Edited by: xita  at: 8/5/02 1:28:20 pm

[BostonWillowFan]

KrisBo5,



Thanks for the nice report! Glad to see there is at least one more Farscape fan on the board. It may not be W/T, but at least we know:



a) If one of the female characters died, she'd go out in a blaze of glory



b) If Spike tried anything with the Moya fem crew he'd get a pulse pistol up his ass!



Okay, maybe a bit off topic, but Farscape (I feel) is an alternative to watching The Gilmore Girls if you are going to renounce "Buffy".



Thanks also to Xita & Rally for the great recon at the Con!



BostonWillowFan

[KrisBo5]

xita,

Yes, that spaz was me! LOL I’m your celeb! We all know Amber’s your celeb, you sweet-talker, you! Yes, I will send you the pics when they are developed so you can put them up. And, again, just to say, it was so wonderful to meet you, and thank you so much for running this site. You are the best!

Kris

“Frell that!”

[VampNo12]

Thanks Kris for that detailed report, and especially Xita for not only those beautiful pics of Amber, but for being a wonderful representative of all kittens with your comments to Joss. I too don't think he is a homophobe, but his manipulations/lies and the repercussions of these needed to be voiced in a manner that Joss can't easily dismiss. Really Xita your recounting of that exchange with Joss made my heart soar/put a smile on my face ! Thanks again to all the reports from the kitties, and I look forward to more as they come.

[Kendahl897]

"I told him he took a fragile community that has never had faith in media and he made us trust him. He encouraged our trust and then betrayed us horribly. And he could never get that trust back, that I wanted him to know the damage he'd caused."

Xita, did you speciafically remind him of all of his quotes saying that he had no intentions of sending Tara anywhere? As well as the quotes made by other members of ME's staff? Did you get the impression that he realizes that he has lost any faith that the gay and lesbian community might have had in him, and that a new love interest won't get it back..the trust is gone...That the only thing that would begin to heal the situation would be to bring Tara back, and until then, he'd lost alot of loyal viewers? Sorry for all of the questions...



Oooh, one last one, I promise--Did you tell him that you are the same person that had thanked him for Tara several years ago?

Edited by: Kendahl897 at: 8/5/02 2:25:05 pm

[Rally]

5 A.M. - Off to the airport for me, drive down to San Jose Intl, park, shuttle to the terminal. Got through security and such very quickly so now I get to sit and wait for an hour and a half before my plane leaves. No bar in site. Coffee, much coffee.



Hit SD and I am off and running. Check my bags at the hotel, and hit the con. Got through registration lightning quick, it's not even 11 A.M. Plenty of time to go find the Inkworks and Dark Horse booths.



Right off the bat, I find out that all the Inkworks signings are ticketed, they said that they would give out tickets a couple hours before the signing. Mission accomplished there, now off to Dark Horse. Check their schedule and Joss is on for 5 P.M. signing on Saturday, right after his Q&A.



Plenty of time, I head upstairs to find the signing area. This is a group signing that included Peter David, Nancy Holder & Andy Mangels. It was a relatively short line, I started to line up then got out of line. I decided to wait for Xita and Relative Girl to show up. So I pulled up a table and played with my camera. After a while, a friend of mine passed by, so I stopped him and chatted. It was getting on 12:30 and I decided it was time to go talk to Andy. I gave Xita a call and got her voice mail, so left her a message that I was going in.



With my friend watching my things, I was able to go up with just my copy of the Advocate. So there was maybe 10 people in line, they were getting Peter David's autograph. Andy was in between Nancy and Peter, so I couldn't reach him as yet. So as I am standing in line, Nancy Holder notices my shirt. She let out an audible gasp / groan and quickly turns to the woman next to her and began whispering and point me out. I just smiled and watched Andy, listened in on Nancy. She said more than once "they just won't get over it". It should of course be noted that she was wearing a Spike tshirt, so I wasn't surprised at her reaction. The humorous thing is of course, that she recognized the board logo.



So finally the people in front of me cleared out and I was able to approach Andy. When he saw that I had the advocate, he lit up and smiled. It seemed very pleased that he was being approached about the article.



The first thing he asked was, how did you like the article. I told him I felt it was very good, but that Joss and Marti came terribly sympathetic. Also that especially Joss has been saying contradictory things in other interviews (meaning Wanda). Andy mentioned that his editor said they have gotten an equal number of letters that say it was too slanted to the fans perspective and too slanted towards Joss/Marti. Therefore his editor thinks he got it just right.



At this point, Nancy Holder starts to listen in on our conversation. Andy shows her the magazine and said this is the article I did. Showed her the cover and she was all, oh really, can I read it. Andy motioned towards me, and so Nancy was forced to ask me permission to read it. I said please do. So Andy and I continued to talk while Nancy read the article.



Andy went on to explain that, the reason he did not bring up the Steven DeKnight and they lying stuff, is because he did not speak to Joss and Marti on the subject. He was trying to balance the piece and did not want to speak on that without giving them the chance to have their say on the issue. He had to fight with his editor for additional space, orginally it was only intended to be a 300 word piece, it came in around 900 words. If it had been the editors way, they end quotes Joss' about the cock and Marti's about her mothers.



Nancy finishes the article and tells him it was very good. He begins signing my copy when Xita calls. I tell them where to meet me and continue talking with Andy. He spoke about how it was the most difficult time he has ever had with an article. The going back and forth on the size of the piece. The last minute stuff getting a hold of the Kittens. Joss' handlers did not want him to interview Joss. Just everything.



He also mentioned he is trying to sell and expanded version of the article. He tried the UK magazine Dreamwatch, but they turned him down saying it was old news. He is now trying the UK version of the Offical Buffy magazine. If he is able to sell it, he will go back and discuss the SDK and lying issues, and try and speak with both Joss and Marti once again.



On the SDK issue, he mentioned that he was extremely offended by SDK's comments. Nancy Holder than asked what SDK had said, and Andy relayed that story. Saying the show was having technical difficulties and it must be the angry lesbians. Nancy was a bit taken a back and agreed that was a not too bright statement. I added especially when there were lots of angry lesbians listening at the time. Andy said, though he understands that SDK thought he was being funny, it was inappropriate and personally offensive.



About this time Xita and RG showed up. Andy continued talking about the article. Xita introduced herself and he reiterated some of things he had spoken to me about. He asked Xita about what she though about the article as well. She pretty much expressed the same things I did, about the sympathetic manner in which Joss and Marti sounded.



Earlier he had told me that he was very happy that he was able to get feedback from us about the article. He was extremely nice guy, big ole leather bear, you can check out his photos down below. I had the opportunity to speak with him again on Sunday, and I will post about that later on.



So after we finished up with Andy, Xita, RG and I sat around for a bit and then decided to head downtown for some much need lunch and much hearty grog. I convinced them, that indeed we needed to go to Dick's Last Resort for lunch, it would be well worth it. As we were making our way downtown, someone came up from behind and tapped me on the shoulder. He said "Ma'am, I just have to tell you that is a great tshirt!". So score one for the shirts.



Andy Mangels Pic 1

Andy Mangels Pic 2



In our next installment, Dick's for lunch.

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Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

Edited by: Rally at: 8/5/02 2:52:27 pm

[helpful information perha]

Dumbsaint



respectfully, I would have to disagree with you.



I wanted to believe Clinton about Monica, well we know how that turned out. Burn me once .....you know the drill



after 3.5 years whedon etal finally showed W/T in sexual situations, naked/kissing in bed together. They played up the sex for the whole episode (even though these two barely kissed all year on UPN otherwise) and then just after the girls "finish" dress and kiss in the bedroom next to the bed, one is brutily killed/shot through the heart



that is SNUFF



and Deknight's admission that willow splattered in tara's blood was the image in whedon's head that drove his vision for season 6, well that tells me a great deal about what this man is about



as for the sexual violence, go back and read marti's comments on buffy and spike bringing the house down



they were consciously pushing the envelop of sexual explicitness in the family hour - its their mount everest

and they are proud of pushing those boundries

even though they carry a large kid/teen audience



and they went far beyond what was necessary for the story, let alone good taste, in the coming weeks with spuffy



Whedon may bray that its his "story" that is important but in fact he has commented on giving xander the "heroic" big finish because NB deserved the lime light. Similar he has commented that Anya will get more screen time because EC deserves the lime light. so which is it the story or the actors egos? First he claims seeing red was about the ills of gun violence and when that doesn't fly he claims its about the evils of male domination what next ? the evils of witchcraft?



He wrote "his story" to suit "his bloody vision" and now is trying to justify it



sexual violence like buffy's morals were pushed to extremes season 6 and not in a good way



and any producer who thinks that's appropriate fare for the family hour and proud of placing it on the air waves

well you know what I think of them



I too gave whedon the benifit of the doubt but honestly the more the man opens his mouth the more I think of Clinton



and lets be honest



If he wanted to he could fix this



and all signs say he isn't going to do that



which in and of itself speaks volumnes



and that's why my hat is off to Xita

I doubt I would have had the self control to be so civil

Edited by: helpful information perhaps at: 8/5/02 3:05:27 pm

[sam7777]

Thanks for the report Rally! I must admit that I am a bit dismayed that the Advocate got "an equal number of letters that say it was too slanted to the fans perspective and too slanted towards Joss/Marti". It seemed slanted to Joss and Marti to me (as I wrote to tell them). The fans got two short quotes while Joss and Marti go 3-4 times that. I'm not sure how that translates to "too slanted to the fans" unless talking about the issue at all is "too slanted". In addition, the larger issue of media representation of gays was never addressed. Overall still very dissappointing. Nice to see that Nancy Holder read the article but she was still out of line with the "they just won't let it go" remark within your hearing. No class there.



Editted to add: I have an address for writing to Nacy Holder from Simon&Shuster

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You can write the author a letter. While we do not give out our authors addresses or e-mail addresses, you can mail your letter to: (Author's Name) c/o (Imprint or Division) Publicity Department 1230 Avenue of the Americas New York, NY 10020. Check the spine or the copyright page of the book to determine which publicity department to contact. The Author is Nancy Holder and the imprint is Pocket

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Edited by: sam7777  at: 8/5/02 3:54:20 pm

[Spikeizmine87]

Hey all! Thanks to everyone who've told there great stories so far! Good to hear that Amber was okay! My friend got Amber to throw a goat!! (not a real goat of course lol) I love how Amber took the time out from her vacation to see her fans! Go Amber!!

-rose a loyal amber fan

There's so much to work through. Trust has to build again... on both sides. You have to learn if you're even the same people you were, if you can fit into each other's lives. It's a long and important process and can we just skip it?

[Ben Varkentine]

"I wanted to believe Clinton about Monica, well we know how that turned out"



And I wanted to believe Reagan about arms for hostages, and Bush about no new taxes.



What I've been noticing in the F/X reruns (and I think I mentioned this elsewhere here, but it might have been on another board) is that the "spuffy" storyline this season is a dimmer copy of themes Noxon in particular had explored to much better effect previously--specifically in "I Only Have Eyes For You" and "Beauty and the Beasts." Both of these look at violence in relationships but do so without rewriting characters into unrecognizability. And focus attention on a real problem (especially "Beauty") without exploiting if for "boy numbers." They work in the dramatic context of "Buffy" and as statements in their own right. Every writer has themes to which she or he will return (lord knows I've got a few), but this (season) is ridiculous.



On another subject, just want to say that was very brave of you, Xita.





"I am a bit dismayed that the Advocate got "an equal number of letters that say it was too slanted to the fans perspective and too slanted towards Joss/Marti"."



Bet Andy must be savoring it...



*instead of double posting, edit your first post and add anything new to that one.

Ben Varkentine

"Someone's got a big vocabulary, and a little dic-tionary."--Jack, "Will & Grace."

Edited by: Warduke at: 8/5/02 7:52:38 pm

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"I am a bit dismayed that the Advocate got "an equal number of letters that say it was too slanted to the fans perspective and too slanted towards Joss/Marti"."





well then perhaps we need to start writing more letters to the advocate?

[Kalita]

Well, I just got in from the cottage a few hours ago, this is where I went first to catch up.



First off: Xita, you rock. I really do not know if I'd have the fortitude to step up to Joss and deal with him in a civilized manner; that you did, and are proud of the accomplishment and told what needed to be told, is a task beyond many of us. I applaud and salute you.



I also feel a bit of my bile and venom being reduced due to this... Joss has been told, he's been sobered for at least those few minutes and I hope it sticks. I might start sleeping better thanks to you!



As for the other details, I'll weigh in when I've had more of a chance to go over them. It's good to hear Amber liked the shirt, I figured she might.



Well, stuff to do before bed, and work tomorrow... I'll leave it here.

"Numfar... Do the dance of shame."