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Re: GLBT News

Postby watty » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:34 pm

Man in married couple is pregnant with child

Married couple is expecting a child, nothing unusual, right? When the man is transgender and is the one carrying the child, it gives new meaning to that. I read this article and was touched with admiration for the couple, their commitment to each other and their bravery in the face of discrimination.

To the bigots in the world who will start crying foul I say to you: you 'teach' us that marriage and family = man and woman; so tell me again what you see wrong with this family?


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Is society ready for this pregnant husband?
By Thomas Beatie


To our neighbors, my wife, Nancy, and I don’t appear in the least unusual. To those in the quiet Oregon community where we live, we are viewed just as we are -- a happy couple deeply in love. Our desire to work hard, buy our first home, and start a family was nothing out of the ordinary. That is, until we decided that I would carry our child.

I am transgender, legally male, and legally married to Nancy. Unlike those in same-sex marriages, domestic partnerships, or civil unions, Nancy and I are afforded the more than 1,100 federal rights of marriage. Sterilization is not a requirement for sex reassignment, so I decided to have chest reconstruction and testosterone therapy but kept my reproductive rights. Wanting to have a biological child is neither a male nor female desire, but a human desire.

Ten years ago, when Nancy and I became a couple, the idea of us having a child was more dream than plan. I always wanted to have children. However, due to severe endometriosis 20 years ago, Nancy had to undergo a hysterectomy and is unable to carry a child. But after the success of our custom screen-printing business and a move from Hawaii to the Pacific Northwest two years ago, the timing finally seemed right. I stopped taking my bimonthly testosterone injections. It had been roughly eight years since I had my last menstrual cycle, so this wasn’t a decision that I took lightly. My body regulated itself after about four months, and I didn’t have to take any exogenous estrogen, progesterone, or fertility drugs to aid my pregnancy.

Our situation sparks legal, political, and social unknowns. We have only begun experiencing opposition from people who are upset by our situation. Doctors have discriminated against us, turning us away due to their religious beliefs. Health care professionals have refused to call me by a male pronoun or recognize Nancy as my wife. Receptionists have laughed at us. Friends and family have been unsupportive; most of Nancy’s family doesn’t even know I’m transgender.

This whole process, from trying to get pregnant to being pregnant, has been a challenge for us. The first doctor we approached was a reproductive endocrinologist. He was shocked by our situation and told me to shave my facial hair. After a $300 consultation, he reluctantly performed my initial checkups. He then required us to see the clinic’s psychologist to see if we were fit to bring a child into this world and consulted with the ethics board of his hospital. A few months and a couple thousand dollars later, he told us that he would no longer treat us, saying he and his staff felt uncomfortable working with “someone like me.”

In total, nine different doctors have been involved. This is why it took over one year to get access to a cryogenic sperm bank to purchase anonymous donor vials, and why Nancy and I eventually resorted to home insemination.

When I finally got pregnant for the first time, I ended up having an ectopic pregnancy with triplets. It was a life-threatening event that required surgical intervention, resulting in the loss of all embryos and my right fallopian tube. When my brother found out about my loss, he said, “It’s a good thing that happened. Who knows what kind of monster it would have been.”

On successfully getting pregnant a second time, we are proud to announce that this pregnancy is free of complications and our baby girl has a clean bill of health. We are happily awaiting her birth, with an estimated due date of July 3, 2008.

How does it feel to be a pregnant man? Incredible. Despite the fact that my belly is growing with a new life inside me, I am stable and confident being the man that I am. In a technical sense I see myself as my own surrogate, though my gender identity as male is constant. To Nancy, I am her husband carrying our child—I am so lucky to have such a loving, supportive wife. I will be my daughter’s father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family.

Outside the local medical community, people don’t know I’m five months’ pregnant. But our situation ultimately will ask everyone to embrace the gamut of human possibility and to define for themselves what is normal.


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Re: GLBT News

Postby maudmac » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:18 am

To the bigots in the world who will start crying foul I say to you: you 'teach' us that marriage and family = man and woman; so tell me again what you see wrong with this family?


[bigot] The man in this marriage isn't a man! [/bigot]

People who don't accept same-sex marriage tend not to understand that sex and gender are different things. And if they can manage to understand that as a basic concept, they still can't get their minds around the idea that these things (sexual orientation, gender, and even biological sex) are continua and that all we've done is arbitrarily assign values to some points in the range and labeled them "gay" or "straight" and "woman" or "man" and "female" or "male." They are never going to see things as a whole as long as they're so focused on classifying and dividing and naming things. Image

lol, that's actually most people, I think, and not just the bigots. But reasonable people might make the effort to try to see things differently. A bigot won't even try.

Speaking of transpeople and bigots, I went looking for the legal requirements to change sex status (as in - exactly how far does one have to transition before one can obtain legal status as the other sex) and I got sucked into the appalling story of how Tyra Hunter died. Absolutely disgusting.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Boschi » Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:01 pm

God damn it.

Even with a healthy dose of anger at the idiot doctors who failed to assist the couple mentioned in Watty's post, I found the article interesting, inspiring and generally cool. That guy, is in fact, the man. Cheers to him and his wife.

Then, then I read the next posting. Fucking hell... bigotted, shallow, cruel assholes.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Gatito Grande » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:57 pm

Friends and family have been unsupportive; most of Nancy’s family doesn’t even know I’m transgender.


While I obviously hope this family will receive all the support it can get, this does seem like a predictable result of being "stealth" for ten years.

GG I'm not saying TG people, having transitioned and "passing" successfully, SHOULDN'T be stealth---just that they shouldn't be surprised at the shock, when they're outed in a way such as THIS! :shock Out

[Unless the guy had tried to keep his whole pregnancy stealth, and then tell his wife's family some other story (e.g., surrogacy or adoption) :hmm]
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Adsum » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:13 am

I’m not sure where this should be posted. I hope this is the right category, if not then please move it accordingly.

The documentary film "Freeheld" chronicles Laurel's struggle to transfer her earned pension to her domestic partner, Stacie Andree. With less than six months to live, Laurel refuses to back down when her elected officials - the Ocean County Freeholders -deny her request to leave her pension to Stacie, an automatic option for heterosexual married couples.”
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Re: GLBT News

Postby kisstheviolets » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:46 am

re: The pregnant transman.... He and his wife are going to be on Oprah today. I saw a clip of the show and he is one manly dude with a bun in the oven. Totally tripped me out. I'm a pretty liberal gal and know lots of different types of people, so I can only imagine how completely bizarre this could be to middle America. It'll be interesting to see what kind of seal Oprah puts on it... as Oprah goes, so goes the nation, you know.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Adsum » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:36 am

The National Day of Silence

“…brings attention to anti-LGBT name-calling, bullying and harassment in schools. This year’s event will be held in memory of Lawrence King, a California 8th-grader who was shot and killed Feb. 12 by a classmate because of his sexual orientation and gender expression. Hundreds of thousands of students will come together on April 25 to encourage schools and classmates to address the problem of anti-LGBT behavior.”

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Re: GLBT News

Postby Ben Varkentine » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:40 am

Lesbos ladies launch lesbian lawsuit

A Greek court has been asked to draw the line between gay women and the natives of the Aegean Sea island of Lesbos.


Inhabitants on the Greek island of Lesbos, pictured, have launched a lawsuit against a gay rights group.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04 ... cnn_latest

BTW, notice something about the picture in that article. Now, I've never been to Lesbos. I'm sure it's very lovely there. But are you telling me they couldn't find a single picture to run with this particular story that wasn't of a fallen tree?

I think somebody at CNN was having their fun...a theory which is not exactly disproved by the headline. At times like this, I always think of the Albert Brooks line from Broadcast News:

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Re: GLBT News

Postby EasierSaid » Thu May 15, 2008 10:20 am

California State Supreme Court says same-sex couples have the right to marry

I am so happy I could cry. Now the next challenge - making sure a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (and most of the rights associated with the current domestic partner law) doesn't pass.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Foomatic » Thu May 15, 2008 11:36 am

Aw, you beat me to it, EasierSaid. I heard it on 92.7 this morning, and got chills. Yay gay marriage!
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Zooeys_Bridge » Thu May 15, 2008 12:59 pm

I heard about it too! YAY! *great round of applause*
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Dorothy » Thu May 15, 2008 1:59 pm

EasierSaid wrote:California State Supreme Court says same-sex couples have the right to marry

I am so happy I could cry. Now the next challenge - making sure a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (and most of the rights associated with the current domestic partner law) doesn't pass.


They can't seriously put discrimination in the law can they? That would bring them to almost the same level as their "ashes of evil" enemy-thingies, discriminating, restraining and even torturing people who don't play by their self-invented little rules. (well it's torture being n love but unable to seal the love with a mariage isn't it?) Where's the "all men are born equally" thingy gone?
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Re: GLBT News

Postby COMMA » Thu May 15, 2008 4:22 pm

The ruling, under California Law, does not become active for thirty days. That is to allow a appeal to the 9th Circuit Cout of Appeal. I do not see it being appealed because already on the ballot is a vote on approving a consitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. The vote takes place in November. In 2004, California voters approved a law that banned same-sex marriage.

In plain English, by December 1, 2008, same-sex marriage could again be illegal in California. No one can take a deep breath until that vote is counted.

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Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Thu May 15, 2008 8:31 pm

I am not sure what it all means but I am glad our courts have seen it right way. And this is a conservative court.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Dorothy » Fri May 16, 2008 6:31 am

I think all people who don't understand love should be banned from voting on this one :pride
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Re: GLBT News

Postby gorn » Fri May 16, 2008 6:38 am

I don't normally like to get involved in political discussions of any kind, but ... if we did it Dorothy's way, no one would be voting.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby umgaynow » Fri May 16, 2008 11:51 am

I don't know that this qualifies for this thread, but it said on AOL news today that Jodie Foster and her gf of 14 years have broken up...sad to hear that sort of thing when someone has been together for so long...especially when there are kids involved
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Re: GLBT News

Postby Dorothy » Fri May 16, 2008 12:56 pm

gorn wrote:I don't normally like to get involved in political discussions of any kind, but ... if we did it Dorothy's way, no one would be voting.


Allright't, I admit I wasn't totally clear on this one: I did not mean completely understanding love all the way,, I meant understanding people love eachother indiscriminately and love is always good.

(a little shallow sort of understanding, I agree, but there's nothing on earth w completely understand )
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Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Wed May 28, 2008 9:03 pm

So the update on gay marriage in california is that we will be able to do it starting June 17th. That is unless they put some stay on the decission but I am hoping that is unlikely. As far as the constitutional amendment

http://www.bgay.com/news/index.php?opti ... iew&id=396

SAN FRANCISCO, CA -- A new poll shows that a majority of registered Californian voters will vote against the suggested constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage which will most likely be added to the November ballot.

Reuters reports:

The Field Poll survey found 51 percent against approving a possible November ballot measure to prohibit gay marriage, with 43 percent in favor. A slightly differently worded question on the same issue found 54 percent opposed and 40 percent in favor.

The poll found a strong generational gap on the issue, with those aged 18-29 approving of gay marriage by 68 percent and those 65 or older disapproving by 55 percent.

The poll found that in recent decades a growing number of Californians have approved allowing same-sex couples to marry, with 51 percent of those polled now approving, up from 44 percent in 2006 and 30 percent in 1985.

The poll of 1,052 registered Californian voters was taken from May 17-26, in the days after California Supreme Court decision, and had a sampling error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points to 5 percentage points, depending on the question.


I really think we can defeat that vote in November if we really push for it with all our might. I encourage anyone to donate money, regardless of the state you are in. I don't know exactly how the fight is being organized yet, but as soon as I have info, I'll post it.

Remember, unlike Mass, anyone can come to Cali and get married. Unfortunately for me, my domestic partner won't be back in the country till August. Then it is going to be all about planning the wedding![/quote]
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Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:27 pm

http://www.bgay.com/news/index.php?opti ... iew&id=412

Gay marriages going through!

SAN FRANCISCO, CA -- California's highest court on Tuesday denied an appeal by gay marriage foes and refused to delay gay weddings until after the November election.

An initiative that could amend California's constitution to ban gay marriage has qualified for the November ballot and conservative religious and legal groups had asked the California Supreme Court to stop its order from becoming effective until after the election.

An initiative that would amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage has qualified for the ballot. Its passage would overrule the court's decision.

Wednesday's denial clears the way for gays and lesbians in the nation's most populous state to get married starting June 17, when state officials have said counties must start issuing new gender-neutral marriage licenses, AP reports.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby ambercissism » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:04 pm

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/1.5969210

Oslo, Norge (11.06.08) - Historisk vedtak

Stortinget vedtok i dag en ny, felles ekteskapslov som vil gjelde både heterofile og homofile par. Loven innebefatter endringer av ekteskapsloven, barneloven, adopsjonsloven og bioteknologiloven.


This is the only article I could find in English, will post more soon. In the meantime, here's the good news...

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jko ... UrAEoPXFWw

Norway adopts gay marriage law

55 minutes ago

OSLO (AFP) — Norway's parliament on Wednesday adopted a new marriage law that allows homosexuals to marry and adopt children and permits lesbians to be artificially inseminated.

After a heated debate, the members of parliament adopted the text by a vote of 84 to 41.

The three centre-left coalition parties in power and two opposition parties, the Conservatives and the Liberals, voted largely in favour of the law, while the Christian Democrats and the far-right Progress Party voted against it.

Norway thus became the sixth country in the world to grant homosexuals the right to marry on an equal footing with heterosexuals, according to Norwegian television TV2.

"This decision is of an importance comparable to universal suffrage and our law on parity," Labour Party rapporteur Gunn Karin Gjul said during the debate.

The most controversial part of the law is that which gives lesbians the right to be artificially inseminated. The sperm donor must be identified so that the child can seek out his or her biological father at the age of 18.

"We are now creating a system where the father is reduced to a sperm sample," lamented Ulf Erik Knudsen, a member of the far-right.

Outside the parliament, a handful of opponents protested with posters reading "Have fathers become superfluous?" and "Parliament has no mandate to change the laws of nature."

Among other things, the new legislation replaces a so-called "partnership law" adopted in 1993 which gave Norwegian homosexuals the right to civil unions.

Health care workers who do not want to perform artificial inseminations on lesbians because of their personal convictions will not be under any obligation to carry out the procedure.

The new law is expected to enter into force at the end of this year or early next year.

Homosexuality was illegal until 1972 in Norway, a country which has since become one of the most liberal in the world in the field.


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Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:01 pm

What a great day to be a Californian! Historic gay marriages happened today. It really is almost unbelievable.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby woahnellie » Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:15 pm

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Re: GLBT News

Postby Tues » Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:32 pm

Taking a cue from Ms. Xita & woahnellie...

Here's to Phyllis Lyon and Del Martin who are finally legally married.

Fittingly, their wedding was the only one performed in San Francisco tonight to honor the momentous Supreme Court ruling, as well as this amazing couple.

Hoorah to equal rights and these pioneer women!
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Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:49 pm

Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon have always been my heroes. I hope more young people become aware of the people who have made today's openness possible. Del and Phyllis have fought their entire life for gay and lesbian rights. I am happy to say that Phyllis once lived in the same dorm I lived at in Berkeley, hee. I am so happy for them, seeing pictures of them getting married brings tears to my eyes. True pioneers and they deserve their place at the front of the line.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby kisstheviolets » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:10 pm

the united states has a lesbian poet laureate. neat.

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Re: GLBT News

Postby JujuDeRoussie » Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:51 am

Hello Kittens, I just came accross this... I thought it was very interesting and it may help if some of you are christian and have trouble dealing with the Church's position on homosexuality and your own feelings. Well I hope anyway. :)

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Re: GLBT News

Postby kisstheviolets » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:14 pm

sad news...

Lesbian activist Del Martin dies at 87
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Article Launched: 08/27/2008 11:52:23 AM PDT


SAN FRANCISCO — Del Martin, a pioneering lesbian rights activist who married her lifelong partner on the first day same-sex couples could legally wed in California, has died. She was 87.

Kate Kendell, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, says Martin died at a San Francisco hospital Wednesday morning two weeks after a broken arm exacerbated her existing health problems.

Kendell says her wife, Phyllis Lyon, was by her side.

Martin and Lyon, who in 1955 co-founded the nation's first outspoken advocacy group for lesbians, the Daughters of Bilitis, were married at San Francisco City Hall on June 16.

Mayor Gavin Newsom, who officiated the wedding, singled them out to be the first gay couple to legally exchange vows in the city, in recognition of their activism.
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Re: GLBT News

Postby maudmac » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:45 pm

Oh my God.

Very sad. Those two are such pioneers. We owe them a LOT.

I am glad, at least, that they lived to see same-sex marriage become a reality and to get married themselves.

edit: Here's an article at 365gay.com - Lesbian pioneer Del Martin is dead
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Re: GLBT News

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