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Tattoos in the Holocaust

Postby skittles » Mon Oct 07, 2002 12:38 pm

From the website of the US Holocaust Museum (in Washington, D.C.)



FAQ page



Question #19 talks about the tattoos:



from their answer:
Quote:
Several categories of prisoners were tattooed with an additional symbol before the number -- e.g., Jews (but not all of them) with a triangular symbol; Gypsies, with the letter "Z" (the first letter of the German word Zigeuner or "Gypsy";) ; and beginning in May 1944, Jews received an additional letter, "A" or "B", which signified the particular series of numbers being used at the time.


The question goes into further detail about how the tattooings, including why. It is not pretty reading, but then, none of the holocaust was pretty.



Just under the section on tattoos, there is a discussion of the badges. All of the badges were triangles. The color determined the group designation & pink was the color for homosexuals.

skittles

Let the rain kiss you.
Let the rain beat upon your head with silver liquid drops.
Let the rain sing you a lullaby. -- April Rain Song, Langston Hughes

Edited by: skittles  at: 10/7/02 11:41:10 am
skittles
 


Re: Tattoos in the Holocaust

Postby kyraroc » Mon Oct 07, 2002 1:29 pm

Thank you, skittles. I apologize for my misinformation.



--- KR

Lost in Ecstacy

kyraroc
 


Re: Tattoos in the Holocaust

Postby skittles » Mon Oct 07, 2002 1:46 pm

Kyraroc, it is an understandable mistake. And I need to clarify that the badges in the camps/prisons were triangles. Outside the camps, the badges were different. For Jews, the yellow Star of David was the most common, with or without a word on it.

skittles

Let the rain kiss you.
Let the rain beat upon your head with silver liquid drops.
Let the rain sing you a lullaby. -- April Rain Song, Langston Hughes

skittles
 


Re: Tattoos in the Holocaust

Postby walker » Mon Oct 07, 2002 3:14 pm

I remember when I visited Dachau a few years back the guide told us about the triangles and what they all meant. When he spoke about the pink triangle he obviously told us that they were reserved for gay people but he also added that if a prisoner was particularly problematic, or just had the misfortune of getting on the wrong side of a guard, they would also be given a pink triangle. He said this was because not only did that person then get mistreated by the guards but also by their fellow inmates. The guy basically said getting a pink triangle was a death sentence. :(

"There's no such thing as bad weather, only inadequate clothing." - Ted Hughes. when asked what possessed him to holiday in West Scotland.

walker
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby Rally » Mon Oct 07, 2002 4:21 pm

Artists Celebrate 'Being Out'



A combination of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and straight artists "committed to openness and honesty" have contributed tracks to the benefit compilation "Being Out Rocks." Featuring songs by Sarah McLachlan, k.d. lang, Rufus Wainwright, Bob Mould, and the B-52's, among others, the 21-track album was produced by the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) Foundation and Centaur Entertainment and will be released Oct. 11, aka National Coming Out Day.



"I am proud to be a part of this important effort to show that you can live an out, open and successful life," lang said in a statement. "Coming out is an immensely enabling process and people should not be afraid to be open about who they are."



The disc will benefit the foundation, which funds the politically-minded HRC's work lobbying Congress, supporting the campaigns of candidates across the U.S., and educating the public to ensure that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender citizens can be open, honest, and safe at home, at work, and in the community.



Other artists who have contributed tracks to "Being Out Rocks" include Cyndi Lauper, Ani DiFranco, Janis Ian, Suede, Catie Curtis, Queen, Dar Williams, the Butchies, Taylor Dayne, and Harvey Fierstein.



"We are celebrating these musicians for their courage and determination to be who they are," HRC Foundation's National Coming Out Project manager Candace Gingrich added. "Through music and the examples of these performers, we encourage gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people everywhere to stand up and be open about who they are."



The "Being Out Rocks" project will be launched with Oct. 11 album signing events at the Times Square Virgin Megastore in New York and at the HRC Action Center & Store in Washington, D.C. (1629 Connecticut Ave., NW), which will feature unspecified artists who contributed to the disc. The disc will also be available via traditional retailers as well as online at the HRC's Corner Store and the Centaur Entertainment site.



The album's title is also the theme of National Coming Out Day 2002. The annual celebration marks the anniversary of a 1987 march on Washington for lesbian and gay equality. For more information on the HRC and National Coming Out Day, visit the HRC Web site.



Here is the "Being Out Rocks" tracklist:



"Angel," Sarah McLachlan

"Summerfling," k.d. lang

"Shine," Cyndi Lauper

"California," Rufus Wainwright

"In or Out," Ani DiFranco

"Society's Child," Janis Ian

"First Time Ever I Saw Your Face," Sam Harris

"Me, Too," Sonia

"Remember Who You Are," Suede

"Kiss That Counted," Catie Curtis

"Topaz," The B-52's

"Soundonsound," Bob Mould

"Is This the World We Created?," Queen

"Driving Wheel," Cris Williamson

"Are You Out There," Dar Williams

"Say Goodbye," Matt Zarley

"Ihate.Com," the Butchies

"Bella Morena," Jade Esteban Estrada

"How Many," Taylor Dayne

"Alive," Kevin Aviance

"I Am What I Am," Harvey Fierstein



-- Barry A. Jeckell, N.Y.

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Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

Rally
 


'Gay hater' stabs Paris mayor at festival

Postby saule77 » Tue Oct 08, 2002 1:23 pm

I'm sorry if this subject appears anywhere else on the board and I didn't see it or if it doesn't belong to this thread.

Moderators, feel free to move / delete if necessary.



Until now, I thought I was coming from a pretty liberal and open minded country... Now, I'm not so sure... :(

I was at home in France for the weekend and I hate to say I have sad news to report...



I chose an article in English (The Times, 07/10/02) to enable as many Kittens to read it as possible but French-speaking Kittens can go here





'Gay hater' stabs Paris mayor at festival



From Charles Bremner in Paris





BERTRAND DELANOE, the Mayor of Paris, was recovering in hospital last night after he was stabbed in the stomach in an apparent homophobic attack early yesterday at the height of an all-night festival dedicated to the joys of Paris.



M Delanoë, 52, who was elected last year as the city’s first left-wing — and first openly homosexual — mayor, was assaulted by a 39-year-old man as he wandered through the Hôtel de Ville at 2.30am. M Delanoë had an operation to stitch the wound, caused by a 3in blade, but his life was not in danger. He was likely to be in hospital for a week.



The attacker, Azedine Berkane, a computer worker from the northern suburb of St Denis who is of Algerian origin and lives with his parents, was said by police to have a criminal record for violence and drug-dealing.



Arrested on the spot and charged with attempted murder, he told police that he “didn’t like politicians and especially homosexuals”. He was put under psychiatric observation.

Police said the attacker was a devout Muslim who had been previously committed to psychiatric hospital for violent acts.

“He happened to be at City Hall and, seeing Delanoë pass by, he took out a knife he always carries in his pocket and he attacked,” police sources said.



M Delanoë was attacked as a party was in full swing, with about 1,000 members of the public packed into the gilded mayoral salons, converted into a vast, 1930s-style nightclub for La Nuit Blanche (the Sleepless Night). This was the name that “the Mayor of Fun” had given to his latest venture to shake Paris out of its “bourgeois” lethargy and instil a new energy into its cultural and entertainment life.



Lying injured but conscious on the floor of the City Hall, M Delanoë told his aides: “The party must go on.”



Tens of thousands of people continued their festivities until 8am at the cultural monuments, clubs and offbeat venues such as the catacombs and a vast undertaker’s premises especially reopened by the mayor.



The Louvre, Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe and other city landmarks were open for free visits all night. Jazz and rock bands played in city squares and bistros and an all-night fashion show was staged at the Palais Royal.



In keeping with his “closeness to the citizens”, M Delanoë was not accompanied by bodyguards and none of the 6,000 Saturday night visitors to the sprawling 19th-century Hôtel de Ville underwent a security search.



The mayor, who has become popular with his schemes to cut traffic and improve the quality of life, played down his wound, telling his entourage “it doesn’t hurt”.



“He was very firm, in command, very calm,” Christophe Girard, the deputy mayor in charge of culture, said. As the attacker was led away by police, according to witnesses he said: “I knew I shouldn’t have come here.” Anne Sylvie Schneider, M Delanoë’s spokeswoman, said: “We were walking and talking together and suddenly I saw the mayor fall down at my side. He had only one obsession: that la Nuit Blanche should go on.”



The assault heightened alarm about violence, and about attacks on politicians in particular. A 25-year-old gunman with a neo-Nazi background who fired a shot near President Chirac on July 14 is being held in a psychiatric hospital.



In March a deranged man with a left-wing political background went on a shooting rampage at a council meeting in the suburb of Nanterre, killing eight people



"You are Willow Rosenberg, vixen-y lighter of the flame and keeper of my heart.”

(Camp Flutie by Rane)

saule77
 


re: glbt news

Postby vix84 » Wed Oct 09, 2002 12:07 am

First openly gay MK in Knesset



The Knesset is set to swear in its first openly homosexual MK when it reconvenes next month, after the Meretz Party announced last night that Prof. Uzi Even would succeed MK Amnon Rubinstein when he retires from politics.



Rubistein, 70, announced on July 1 that after 25 years in the Knesset, he has decided to leave politics and become dean of the Herzliya Interdisciplinary School.



The next name on the Meretz list was former MK Benny Temkin, but Temkin told Meretz leader Yossi Sarid last night that he had decided not to cut short an academic sabbatical ih Mexico City in order to return to the Knesset.



A Tel Aviv University chemistry professor, Even was next on the list after Temkin. Even, who has lived with his partner for 12 years and raised a son with him, said he would fight for gay rights in the Knesset.



"My joining the Knesset would be a very important step for every gay," Even has said. "The message is you no longer have to be ashamed. You can even be elected to the Knesset."



Religious MK's expressed concern at the message sent by having a homosexual in the Knesset. United Torah Judaism MK Avraham Rvitz said: "These people have a very big problem."



(Jerusalem Post)



*grr at religious MKs...*

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After the moon went
down...

Tara, 'Seeing Red'

Edited by: vix84 at: 10/9/02 12:37:00 am
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Re: Being Out Rocks

Postby BasilGray » Wed Oct 09, 2002 8:38 am

Hello all :)



I was wondering if there was some place online in Europe that would sell this CD? Any ideas? Will Amazon sell it?

Thanks for the info!

BasilGray
 


Re: Being out Rocks

Postby mollyig » Wed Oct 09, 2002 8:45 am

CDNOW have Being out Rocks listed here, with a release date of 11 October but didn't find anything on Amazon.co.uk

Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two
Indigo Girls

Edited by: mollyig  at: 10/9/02 7:46:21 am
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gay rights in Korea

Postby La » Tue Oct 15, 2002 11:41 am

here's an article from an english-language newspaper in Korea sent to me by a lesbian friend who is still teaching there and who had to move from mokpo 5 hours north to seoul because her boss disliked her simply because he knew she was gay and he influenced a lot of other schools in mokpo.



from the Korea Herald

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Korean homosexuals struggle with barriers



After years of wavering, Kim Byeong-suk, a 34-year-old

part-time graphic designer, decided to come out of the

closet and let his close friends know that he is gay.

Although 10 years have passed since, he still has to

hide it at work out of fear that disclosure of his

homosexuality might result in unfair treatment from

his superiors and colleagues.



Kim is one of many gay people struggling to overcome a

myriad of legal handicaps and social discrimination in

Korea where homosexuality remains an anomaly.



Although there are no official statistics on the

number of gay people in Korea, activists estimate it

to be somewhere between four and 12 percent of the

country's population of 47 million.



"The most serious problem is the lack of social and

legal acknowledgement," said Kim whose full-time job

is director of "Between Friends," a gay rights group

based in Seoul.



He said it was especially hard for him to give up his

training to become a pastor, as he could not find a

way to reconcile his religion and sexual orientation.



Lee Joo-won, a 55-year-old homemaker and mother of

two, says public perception of homosexuality is still

negative. "Homosexuality goes against social norms and

Christian principles," she said. "It is also the

source of such problems as AIDS."



Her thoughts, however, reflect a common misconception

in Korea. As a matter of fact, research shows that the

spread of AIDS in the heterosexual population is just

as prevalent as among homosexuals.



The issue of homosexuality became a big social

controversy two years ago, when actor Hong Suk-chun

publicly declared he is gay. He was pressured to leave

a children's television show in which he made daily

appearance. Later, Hong said when he came out, his

parents called and said the whole family should commit

mass suicide.



In Korea, being single for too long without apparent

reason often results in social discrimination. Family

pressure, thus, is another hurdle gay people have to

overcome.



In an effort to satisfy family members' demand for

marriage, Kim and his partner, a 33-year-old doctor,

devised an unusual "triangle" relationship.



According to the plan, Kim's partner will marry one of

his female colleagues, who is a heterosexual woman.

The two will live together, but will not share the

same bed. Kim will live close by and maintain his

relationship with his partner.



This marriage of convenience will provide the

necessary "married" status in building a successful

medical career.



On her part, the female doctor, who seeks freedom from

the bondage of marriage, can continue to enjoy her

life as a single and devote herself fully to her

career.



"This is the next best thing," Kim said. "And it is

probably the only way the three of us will survive."



To fight social, legal discrimination, gay people have

been pulling themselves together since early 1990s.



Between Friends and a lesbian support group Together,

both established in the early 1990s, are working on a

range of projects for the homosexual community,

including counseling, operation of online chat-rooms,

magazine publications and education about safe sex.



In 1998, they received the International Gay and

Lesbian Human Rights Commission Award for their

achievements.



Now Between Friends and Together are the core members

of a six-group coalition, the Lesbian and Gay Alliance

Against Discrimination (LGAAD), which was founded in

July this year. LGAAD strives for public awareness and

better medical care for those who suffer from AIDS.



Gay activism is blossoming on university campuses as

well.



"Rainbow Fish," for instance, is a three-year-old

student-run club for homosexuals at Chung-Ang

University. Named after an exotic fish that inhabits

waters off the coasts of Australia and Papua New

Guinea, the club organizes special events, such as

"Queer Movie Night," to raise awareness and support

for gays.



"Younger people are much more aware of their

situation," Kim of Between Friends said. "They look

for ways to incorporate their homosexuality into their

lives."



Online resources play a critical role for young

homosexual women and men as they come to terms with

their sexual identity, according to advocates. Through

information on Web sites, they learn there is nothing

wrong with them. More importantly, they also learn

that they are not alone.



The flourishing of online resources for homosexuals

sometimes result in standoffs with the authorities.



Last year, the owner of the first Korean gay Web site

exzone.com, known by his apt pseudonym Exzone, was

ordered by the Information and Communications Ethics

Committee and the Commission for Youth Protection to

post a warning stating that the Web site contained

material "harmful" to young people.



Exzone.com was promptly blocked from cyber cafes,

schools and libraries through an Internet filtering

software called "Guardian Angel."



Gay rights advocates conducted a 60-day hunger strike

in December last year and filed a lawsuit against the

government in January, claiming that censorship was in

violation of the Constitution, which guarantees

freedom of _expression.



Foreign media, including CNN and the BBC reported the

case, and they drew support from international gay

rights groups.



In August, a court ruled in favor of the government.

Exzone, rather than giving in and posting the warning,

shut down the site to avoid being slapped with fines

or a jail term.



Government officials defended their actions were based

on the 1999 Youth Protection Law that defines

"perverted acts" related to homosexuality, not

homosexuality itself, as damaging to young people.



"The site was declared harmful to young people because

it was obscene," said Kim Mee-yeon, a senior officer

at the commission. "The key word here is lewdness, not

homosexuality."



Nonetheless, the Youth Protection Law clearly defines

homosexuality as perversion, as it does incest,

sadomasochism and bestiality. The legal code is

contradictory since the National Human Rights Law,

legislated in 2001, bans discrimination on the grounds

of sexual orientation, advocates claim.



"Sometimes it all feels like an exercise in futility,"

said Kim of Between Friends, adding that he knows this

was just one of many more cases to come.



He and gay rights advocates assume it will take

another generation before true equality is achieved.



Yet Kim continues to keep the faith and hopes to grow

old with his partner. The difference between him and

others is that he has to fight what he calls "great

enemies" - bigotry, hate and violence - to make his

simple wish come true.



(kep21@koreaherald.co.kr)



By Park Eun-myo Staff reporter



2002.10.14

~La

Conquer anger with lack of anger; bad, with good;

stinginess, with generosity; liar, with truth.

~Dhammapada, 17

La
 


NYTimes: Once Taboo, a Gay Israeli Treads the Halls of Power

Postby skittles » Wed Oct 16, 2002 6:39 am

Once Taboo, a Gay Israeli Treads the Halls of Power

By JOEL GREENBERG



NYTimes



TEL AVIV, Wednesday, Oct. 16 — Uzi Even seemed a bit apprehensive, even as he received another delivery of flowers from well-wishers.



A 62-year-old chemistry professor and retired army officer, Mr. Even is soon to be sworn in as the first openly gay member of the Israeli Parliament, moving from the quiet confines of his laboratory at Tel Aviv University to the tumult of legislative politics.



Parliament began its winter session on Monday, and Mr. Even plans to take the oath of office on Nov. 4 as a representative of the leftist Meretz Party. He will replace Amnon Rubinstein, a lawmaker who is retiring.



It will certainly be a milestone, Mr. Even said, adding that there is no way to predict the reaction of strictly Orthodox lawmakers, who have criticized his entry to Parliament.



"It is a very symbolic step," he said in an interview at the Tel Aviv apartment where he lives with his partner. "People who for years were unmentionable will now be represented as part of Israeli society."



"I hope I'm up to it," he added. "Time will tell."



It has been more than nine years since Mr. Even catapulted the cause of gay rights into public consciousness in Israel in an emotional appearance before a parliamentary subcommittee that was shown on national television.



In a personal account of discrimination, Mr. Even told lawmakers how in 1983 he lost his security clearance, was fired from his position in the military and stripped of his rank as a reserve intelligence officer after he was discovered to be living with a man.



Mr. Even's story resonated widely in the news media, and it brought swift results. Three months after his appearance army rules were changed, prohibiting discrimination against gay and lesbian soldiers in recruitment, placement and promotion. Openly gay soldiers now serve without hindrance in all branches of the military.



The changes in the army have been matched by similar trends in Israeli society, where homosexuality has gone from public taboo to wide acceptance in less than a decade, despite strong objections from Orthodox circles. A sign of the times is a movie now showing across the country about a same-sex relationship between two Israeli soldiers. A large gay pride parade is held each year in Tel Aviv, and the first such parade was held this year in Jerusalem.



Mr. Even said the mild response to the news that he would enter Parliament showed how much attitudes had changed. He received scores of congratulatory phone calls and only one negative message, he said. He recently appeared on an Internet forum sponsored by a newspaper, and despite expectations by organizers of a stream of abuse, the session passed without incident.



"There has been a change, but the groundwork had to be prepared and it took a long time," Mr. Even said, recalling years of of public campaigning with other advocates of gay rights, including his partner, Amit Kama, 42, a media-studies professor.



Mr. Even sued his university for spousal rights for Mr. Kama and won an out-of-court settlement in 1995. They took in a 16-year-old teenager who was rejected by his family because he was homosexual, and became the first gay couple in Israel to be recognized as foster parents. The arrangement was agreed to by the boy's biological parents and approved by social welfare officials.



Mr. Even said he would work in Parliament to promote legal recognition of gay and lesbian couples and families, making them eligible for welfare payments and other benefits and rights given to heterosexual couples. "We're still discriminated against by law," he said. "The atmosphere and the laws will have to be changed, and I will encounter stiff resistance from the ultra-Orthodox."



Nissim Zeev, a lawmaker from the strictly Orthodox Shas party, the third largest group in the legislature, said that he found Mr. Even "repellent" and would refuse to work with him.



"This is a disgrace to the Knesset," he said, using the Hebrew name for the Parliament. "From the religious point of view he stands for the destruction of the family unit. This man is a danger to the youth and to the morals of the people, and his influence can cause irreversible damage."



However, Avraham Burg, the speaker of Parliament, who is observant and liberal member of the Labor Party, said Mr. Even's entry into the legislature was a reflection of the inevitable changes in Israeli society. "Gays were once in the closet, and now they are out of the closet in the Knesset too," he said.



Mr. Even acknowledged that he faced an uphill battle in promoting legislation favoring gay people, but he argued that his entry into Parliament would pave the way for others while giving a voice to a community that was largely invisible for years.



"I'm putting a face on us," he said. "I broke the glass ceiling, and now others can follow. When they come, there will be no more media uproar."

skittles

...In the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. -- from Desiderata, Max Ehrmann 1927

skittles
 


Gay couples to be prevented from adopting

Postby Nix42 » Wed Oct 16, 2002 11:31 am

Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but this thread seems appropraite.



BBC News



In a nutshell, the UK House of Lords is going to block a bill that would allow same sex couples to adopt.



I can't believe people can be so narrow minded.

Nix42
 


Hate-crime death probed in California

Postby Willowlicious » Fri Oct 18, 2002 9:04 pm

From Salon.com.





Quote:
Hate-crime death probed in California





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By Michelle Locke







Oct. 18, 2002 | NEWARK, Calif. (AP) -- The killing of a 17-year-old boy who dressed as a girl was being investigated Friday as a possible hate crime by police who say they were led to his shallow grave by one of four young men arrested on suspicion of murder.



Police believe Eddie Araujo was slain after getting into a fight with several people at an Oct. 3 party in this San Francisco suburb. Araujo was reported missing by his mother when he didn't come home from the party.



The teen had clashed with the suspects a week earlier and tensions flared again at the party, Lt. Tom Milner said.



Milner said Araujo had chosen to dress like a girl "for some time."



"We don't know if that's the prime factor in the altercation or if there were other factors involved such as revenge," he said. "These things are all definitely in play."



Police said Araujo died of blunt trauma to the head, though it was unclear where the boy was killed. His body was found in the Sierra Nevada foothills about 150 miles east of his home in Newark.



Newark Unified School District Superintendent Ken Sherer said Araujo had been an independent study student since the eighth grade. He would have been a senior this year, but didn't show up at Crossroads High School this fall.



Michael Magidson, 27, Jaron Nabors, 19, Paul Merel Jr., 25, and his brother, Jose Merel, 24, all of Newark, were arrested Wednesday and held on suspicion of homicide. That same day, one of the suspects led police to the body.



Police said they were looking at adding hate crime enhancements.



Lt. Lance Morrison called it as a "haunting and gruesome situation."



"We're dealing with a number of people who could have helped, stepped in, prevented or reported this," Morrison said. "None of them did."



Araujo had attended Newark schools from kindergarten, but as he grew older gradually stopped coming to school, Sherer said. He had enrolled in an alternate program in which students meet with a teacher once a week and study independently.



He was liked by those who knew him, Sherer said.



"He was always smiling, he selected his friends very carefully and, according to some students, he did have more female friends than male," he said. "I have heard that he did like women's clothing over men's."



In a recent family photo, Araujo appeared with carefully groomed eyebrows and makeup and his hair in a highlighted, shoulder-length bob.



Sherer said he had not heard reports of the youth getting into fights.



Pastor Ed Moore, who knows Araujo's family, told KRON-TV that the young man had been ostracized.



"People did not really want to accept him, he didn't get a job because of who he was and things like that," Moore said Friday. "And so there was a struggle going on even within the family, his personal struggle but also how he was viewed by society."



Newark schools have been the subject of some controversy, with a planned performance of "The Laramie Project" next month at Newark Memorial High School.



The play tells the story of Matthew Shepard, an openly gay University of Wyoming student who was killed in October 1998. A Kansas fundamentalist preacher has promised to protest the play, but Sherer said the it will go on.



"We're not going to let a group of renegades control what we do in the school system," he said.



"Newark is a wonderful city," Sherer added. "We have a wonderful community and very diverse. This is a shock. It's ironic that here we're doing the Laramie play and we have the same situation here in Newark."





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Re: Hate-crime death probed in California

Postby Wiccagrrl313 » Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:08 am

I heard about this story yesterday. Very, very sad.

Tracy

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"Vanderpoorten divides video about homosexuality"

Postby Killin Joke » Sun Oct 20, 2002 7:15 am

Thought you sweeties could use some good news... ;) I'm kinda proud at my country (and dad) today (well, better late, than never, I guess). Get this: this noon, during dinner, my father started talking about how some kids don't get that many changes to study, and I elaborated that in some families being gay isn't acceptable... Anyway, out of the blue he got up and showed me the front page of the newspaper "Het Laatste Nieuws " ('The Latest News') of wednesday, 16th of October. There was this small article... I'll translate if for ya.



"Brussels - Minister of Education Marleen Vanderpoorten is going to supply all highschools with an educative video about gays and lesbians. The video about gay boy Sam and lesbian girl Lisa is meant for the second and third grade of highschool education. In the film Sam and Lisa tells us to whom they outed themselves and how their friends and fellow classmates deal with it. The experiences of Sam and Lisa have to engage the teenagers to discuss homosexuality in class. With the video the minister wants to encourage all Flemish schools to make the subject discussable, and seen as something normal. (PGL)"



Well, that's it... All I can say is: pity they come up with this now and not when I was still in highschool (a good 5 years ago) but still happy for future generations. :) My parents know the minister's sister. It's cool someone of the liberal party finally sticks her neck out to make some progress. :)

"Visions dance throughout the night in the pale moon light in the witching hour" (Symphony X)

Killin Joke
 


Never Been Prouder Of My Town...

Postby Hanki » Sun Oct 20, 2002 8:49 am

Just little snippets of news, nothing major...



Two days ago my town elected our first ever openly gay mayor to power and i am with him every step of the way.



I just wondered if there are any other UK kitties who are still at high school on here? cuz we have this lesson called "citizenship" and we do a couple of lessons about discrimination but homophobia in particular, i haven't had it yet but a couple of my friends had and i was wondering if other schools did this?

~ Han ~

Ravenshill ~ an original web series, a group of teen witches fight evil in an English town.

Hanki
 


Little snippets

Postby kukalaka » Sun Oct 20, 2002 2:56 pm

Speaking of little snippets:



In Germany SPD and the Greens recently signed their coalition treaty(?) for the next 4 years. It contains the following:

  • They want to pass the addition to the same-sex partnership law granting more rights to these partnerships. (Which is going to be impossible as long as the majorities in the Bundesrat (our second chamber of parliament) don't change.)

  • "Family is where there are children."

  • They want to pass an anti-discrimination law according to the guidelines of the EU. (That would include "sexual orientation".)

  • They want to build a memorial for gay victims of the Nazis in central Berlin, too. (Aside from the ones for the Jews and the Sinti and Roma being built or planned - I'm not sure whether they already started building the latter - already.)
No mention of a reform of the laws concerning transsexuals and adoption by homosexual partners, though :(



Source: LSVD

kukalaka
 


Should gay couples be allowed to adopt? VOTE!

Postby Repost Moderator » Mon Oct 21, 2002 2:10 am

Originally posted by Mara



I'm not sure anyone else posted this here, but since I couldn't find anything about it here it is...



There's this article: Peers urged to reject gay adoption at teh BBC site: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...330335.stm



There's also a voting going on about it here: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talki...332433.stm





So far the 'Yes' is winning, but by a very small margin.



Please vote.

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Re: Never Been Prouder Of My Town...

Postby Mrs Vertigo » Mon Oct 21, 2002 10:06 am

I did my duty.



So far odds are not looking very chipper:



Out of 5264 Votes Cast,



Yes: 50.51%

No: 49.49%



It's better then the other way around, but not very encouraging still.

---
On Buffy, Season 7: “Bored now…”

Edited by: Mrs Vertigo at: 10/21/02 9:07:18 am
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Re: Little snippets

Postby Wytchi Grrl » Mon Oct 21, 2002 3:01 pm

Well done my bit too, somehow it doesn't feel enough. Hits home really. Its worrying what lies ahead.

"RESPECT THE NARRATIVE FLOW MUCH!?"

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Re: Should gay couples be allowed to adopt? VOTE!

Postby Kandicek » Mon Oct 21, 2002 5:16 pm

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt? Are you freaking insane? OF COURSE they should be allowed ! :rolleyes



Dango, and I thought this was a no brainer.

I mean, hell if we don't adopt kids we'd be eligible for government funded impregnation! sorry, just a bit of ranty wizzy pisching... :sigh



It's really twisted that at least in some sort of cultural sterotypes Europe as a whole has been held up as this wonderfully open and tolerant place for homosexual men and women, compared to other countries. There are many countries on the continent that are not just tolerant, but quite willing to go to the mat for equal rights, representations, and privledges socially and legally.

But then there are also countries that totally seem to decide they are gonna slide back in time and uphold a moral code that never truely existed in human behavior. How strange it is that I can marry my lover in Netherlands, and get full benefits along with Sweden and a few other places of the like. In Germany, we can register as a couple, but our real benefits are not quite as equal as full-on heterosexual marriage. A bit controversial right now considering the political wishlists that are floating aroung here currently in Germany. But at least they DID pass it and kill the conservative contest to these rights. In the UK, that aint so, yet.



I think it's a freaking shame that the EC wrote they want to have a better situation all around for homosexuals on all these fronts, and then hasnt really forced their membership to get to it. And while I say that, it is even more shameful that America wrote much less passed the DOMA. As an American, it really chapped my hind-end that we ever let that make it into existance. I am very much looking forward to the day when the issue of WHO you are attracted to and sleep with is exactly a dead and unimportant commentary. But were not there yet. Maybe we never will in my lifetime. Go Vermont. Heck, I hope Oregon is one of the next states to make it a legal marriage with full rights. Can you tell where I went to college?



After having lived in Germany, Japan, and visited to so many parts of Asia and Europe as a military brat and now as a civillian working for the defense dept. in some form I find myself torn often. I've learned to adapt to different cultures ( hell I work in a military community! talk about a whole 'nother world mentally.) But I dont understand how any thinking rational mind, can on some level decide to say, we need a growing population, and we need someone to raise the kiddoes who are being orphaned for various reasons. But well... we are gonna make sure none of them are gay because... ?? why? refresh my memory. What exactly are we supposedly doing to the kids that corrupts them?

:miff

now im irked again. I think I gotta go stare off into the lovely pictures of the girls (:tara :love :willow ) getting-smootchy-with-it....



Kandicek
 


Re: Never Been Prouder Of My Town...

Postby Dumbsaint » Tue Oct 22, 2002 7:54 am

From Planet Out Entertainment News:



Quote:
Playing Gay in Primetime

by Brendan Hooley

October 15, 2002



"We get a 25-page nudity clause with the contract." No, that isn't Julia Roberts talking about her next big feature. That's "Queer as Folk" actor Peter Paige, revealing that the cast of the Showtime series each signed a lengthy document before filming began. Paige was just one of the actors who gathered on October 2 for "Playing Gay in Prime Time," a panel discussion presented by the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) at the Museum of Television and Radio in Beverly Hills.

Moderated by GLAAD entertainment media director Scott Seomin, the frank and often amusing discussion also featured "ER's" Laura Innes, "NYPD Blue's" Bill Brochtrup, "Six Feet Under's" Mathew St. Patrick, "The Wire's" Sonja Sohn and "Dark Angel's" Valarie Rae Miller. The group spent the evening waxing about their experiences with their networks and swapping stories about their fans.

Last year, broadcast network television featured 20 gay, lesbian or transgender characters throughout prime time. This year, there are only 7. The importance of their rare roles is not lost on the actors.



"I get letters from gay brothers who are 36 years old and they're having thoughts about committing suicide," noted Mathew St. Patrick, who plays LAPD officer Keith Charles on HBO's "Six Feet Under." "Its part of the reason I thank God that I got hit over the head with this role, because it gives me an opportunity to let people know that love is love. And hopefully they won't commit suicide and they can get away from their families who are so negative about the choices we make and the people we are."



Innes, who has played Dr. Kerry Weaver on NBC's "ER" since 1995, shared credit for lesbian visibility with her network. "I honestly think that our show, with the numbers we do, what's at stake here is huge," she told a sold-out audience. "Putting it in perspective, I think it's an amazing thing that NBC [would] have this character be a lesbian who is so capable and is such a leader and transformer. I have faith that they're committed to that."



But not all of the actors on the panel praised their network. Miller, who portrayed "Dark Angel's" Original Cindy for two seasons on FOX, revealed that her character's sexual orientation was both questioned and downplayed by network programmers. "I've been the memo girl," she said. "The first comment they made about my character was in the pilot: 'Does she have to be gay? Why does she have to be gay?' Even with advertising, guest stars would be featured in promos for an episode that was primarily about my character and they would totally alleviate the storyline. On the FOX Web site they had blurbs about the characters. During the second season, they took out the line that said she was a lesbian." But I applaud the executive producers for standing behind her."



The often-mixed reviews of fans was a topic that the actors eagerly addressed. "I get a real feeling of what Middle America thinks," noted Innes. "Because people sort of feel like they know you, they feel comfortable when you're in the airport or drugstore or Starbucks to come talk to you. There are a lot of people that are really truly ambivalent about Kerry's coming out. And what pains me about it isn't the Christian right. It's the people who are like, 'She's not really, is she?!' And I feel like the teenage girl whose parents say, 'It's just a phase.' I've been surprised by the largeness of that. We get a lot of support, but we get a lot of resistance and that bugs me the most."



For Miller, playing an out-and-proud lesbian proved satisfying. "One of the most amazing things," she said, "is when teenagers come up to you and tell you that you've affected their life so profoundly because it's something that they hadn't seen on television."



Sohn, who plays Detective Shakima Greggs on HBO's "The Wire," addressed an audience member's question about being African American and playing lesbian. "I don't feel the need to 'represent' African Americans or gays and lesbians," she said. "My character is a person first. It's my job as an actor to create a history for that person, and if she's a lesbian or if she's African American, it's going to inform the choices that I make. To me, the truth will speak for itself. I don't stand on a soapbox. I think we're in danger of broad stroking in the opposite direction. Black people and white people act out in the same way because they are all people."



With humor and intelligence, the panelists revealed that playing gay in primetime is rarely easy. And Peter Paige spoke for all the actors when he said his manager was reluctant for him to join the "Queer as Folk" cast. "We had a long discussion about it, but I decided I couldn't miss the opportunity," he said. "I'd have killed myself if I was at home watching someone else do this."



Brendan Hooley is the news media manager for the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.


"And never let it be said that I left a Tara craving unsatisfied." Willow, Wilderness Pt. 1

Dumbsaint
 


Re: Never Been Prouder Of My Town...

Postby Amymlc » Tue Oct 22, 2002 10:40 am

I voted too and then I responded to the talking thing. I got quoted! Yay!...at least I got to show some people a point of view from a kid in the system. I hope people actually start thinking of the children, rather than their own bigoted beliefs. I can't believe some people would leave a child in a cruel system than give them two loving parents because they are of the same gender. It makes me so sick I could vomit!

They were right, I'm a homo--But I'm a Cheerleader

Amymlc
 


Re: Should gay couples be allowed to adopt? VOTE!

Postby the kat whisperer » Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:50 pm

They've also got this vote going on at vote.co.uk. At the moment, the NOs are winning, so they need more YES votes.



Allow gay and unmarried heterosexual couples to adopt children?



Go here to vote.



When you vote, your opinion will be e-mailed to important decision-makers on the issue.



kw

Xena: "Always looking out for me, huh?"
Gabrielle: "Always."

the kat whisperer
 


My beloved European Court strikes again...

Postby kukalaka » Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:59 am

Article from the BBC:

Quote:
European Court compensates British gays



The European Court of Human Rights has awarded damages to four former members of the British armed forces who were dismissed for being homosexual.



The court gave the three men and one woman a total of nearly five-hundred-thousand dollars in compensation.



Last year, it ruled that enquiries into their sexuality by British military authorities violated the right to privacy.



Britain has said it will abide by the ruling, although it had argued gays in the military undermined discipline and team-work essential to military efficiency. The right to respect for private and family life is enshrined in the European Convention of Human Rights.











Wenn Du denkst, Du denkst, dann denkst Du nur, Du denkst, denn beim Denken der Gedanken kommst Du nur auf den Gedanken, daß das Denken der Gedanken ein gedankenloses Denken ist.



kukalaka
 


gay marriages

Postby Killin Joke » Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:05 am

Hey sweeties ! A couple of days ago I saw on the Belgian news they've approved gay marriages in our country (11 to 4 votes or something) Stupid ignorant French catholic-democrats still struggled against it ("It's not because the Netherlands do something, it's necessarily a good thing") Grrr, fools... Strangely glad to be Flemish that day. So anyway: huh, didn't know that... Seemed to me to be self-explanatory... Uch, ah well, now remains the issue of gays adopting kids. Hope it gets resolved in a good way soon.

"Visions dance throughout the night in the pale moon light in the witching hour" (Symphony X)

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Re: GLBT News

Postby vix84 » Fri Nov 01, 2002 2:46 am

The Rev Fred Nile, MLC, leader of the Christian Democratic Party, issued a media release opposing what he calls the "legal homosexual/lesbian marriage campaign" conducted by prominent persons contrary to the creative law of Almighty God and the natural law of creation.



"The president of the AMA, Dr Kerryn Phelps, has recently had saturation publicity through the release of her book, especially in The Sydney Morning Herald, in support of her so-called lesbian 'marriage', which is not recognised by Australian civil or religious law," Nile wrote in the release.



"Now the High Court Judge Michael Kirby has again called for equal rights before the law for homosexuals and heterosexuals ... many Australians are deeply offended by Justice Michael Kirby's constant promotion of his own homosexual lifestyle and believe he has a conflict of interest.



"In spite of Justice Kirby being a sincere person and a gentleman, he is bringing the High Court, our highest court in Australia, into contempt and should retire from this position."



Nile's statement came on a day when a fellow party member, the Rev Dr Gordon Moyes, adjourned the Anti-Discrimination (Heterosexual Discrimination) Amendment Bill, introduced last year by Elaine Nile to protect the rights of heterosexuals.



Edited by Andrew Hornery with Ben Wyld, Sydney Morning Herald

November 1 2002



_________________


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vix84
 


Gay policemen in South Africa

Postby tyche » Fri Nov 01, 2002 9:03 am

My paper had this interesting article yesterday about two married gay policemen in South Africa.

www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,822841,00.html

tyche
 


This week's National Enquirer

Postby Repost Moderator » Fri Nov 01, 2002 9:15 pm

Originally posted by BBOvenGuy



Okay, I have no idea where to put this. I thought about the daily OT thread, except that it's not OT. I thought about the Angry Rant thread, but this isn't about Buffy. I'll just put it here instead and let the mods decide where it goes.



I was at the grocery store today, and as I stood there in the checkout line I came face to face with the supermarket tabloids. A common experience shared by all, I'm sure - but this week it was different.



Here's what the National Enquirer had emblazoned across its cover:



SNIPERS: THEIR SECRET GAY LIFE - AND WHY IT MADE THEM KILL



I just couldn't help thinking, "For crying out loud, no wonder people don't understand why we're upset about lesbian clichés. No wonder people think there's nothing wrong with what Joss did. No wonder people still praise him for the Willow/Tara storyline, actually. They probably think he's doing the community a service by showing a gay couple enjoying the little bits of happiness they get before their 'condition' reaches its inevitable conclusion of death and destruction."



I mean really, these two people terrorize millions of people in a way that nobody has since whoever sent out the anthrax letters, and this is the hook that the National Enquirer decides to put on the story in order to make it more scandalous? Give me a freakin' break.



:rage :rage :rage :rage :rage



I'm tempted to write them a sarcastic letter, telling them that since there are a dozen or so gay men in my church choir (not to mention one of those evil lesbians), I've started wearing Kevlar to rehearsals. The only trouble is, they might decide to run it as a news article. :rolleyes



Anyway, if you've got a strong enough stomach to check this out for yourself, you can look here:



www.nationalenquirer.com/



Oh, and Rosie O'Donnell is on the cover, too. Something about rushing her pregnant lover to the hospital. What a bunch of jerks. Maybe they'll give Joss a job after all his shows get cancelled.

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Re: This week's National Enquirer

Postby Repost Moderator » Fri Nov 01, 2002 9:17 pm

Originally posted by skittles



no, Joss already ghostwrites for them...

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