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Same-sex legislation passed in Canada

Postby DaveV » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:52 pm

Just appeared on the news.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/28/samesex050628.html

The Liberals' controversial same-sex marriage legislation has passed final reading the House of Commons, sailing through with a vote of 158 for and 133 against.

Supported by most members of the Liberals, the Bloc Quebecois and the NDP, the legislation passed easily, making Canada only the third country in the world, after the Netherlands and Belgium, to officially recognize same-sex unions.

But the passage of Bill C-38, once again, came with a political price tag for the government. Joe Comuzzi, resigned from the cabinet so he could vote against the bill - an open rebuke of the government legislation.

Comuzzi was the minister responsible for Northern Ontario.

Although he was the only cabinet minister to break ranks with Prime Minister Paul Martin over the controversial plan to legalize the marriage of gays and lesbians, it highlighted the divisions within Canada and the within the Liberal party, pitting supporters of equality rights against those who are defending religious freedoms.

For Comuzzi, the decision to resign meant putting principles ahead of the privileges of cabinet. "In 2004, during the election, I promised faithfully to the people of Thunder Bay-Superior North, that I would defend the definition of marriage," he said, explaining his move.

The prime minister said he regretted the decision of a man he called an "old friend," but accepts it because the government must speak with one voice on same-sex marriage.

The "vote is about the Charter of Rights," said Martin. "We're a nation of minorities and in a nation of minorities you don't cherry-pick rights."

The government has moved over the last few months to appease critics both within Liberal ranks and among Canadians at large. Amendments were introduced to ensure no religious group or charitable organization is forced to accept same-sex marriage. But in spite of those amendments some groups remain unconvinced.

Same-sex marriage remains one of the most difficult issues ever to confront Canadian politicians. In large part passage of the bill is the reason the parliamentary session was extended for the first time in 17 years.

But while Tuesday night's vote closes off the debate in the Commons, the Conservatives insist there is no closure for Canadians who believe marriage should continue to be defined as the union of a man and a woman, to the exclusion of all others.

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper says if his party forms the next government, the law will be revisited.

Harper made the promise one day after suggesting the adoption of the law lacked legitimacy because it relied on the support of the separatist Bloc Quebecois. Harper said he believes Bloc MPs are the legitimate representatives of Quebec voters. But he argues most Canadians aren't buying it as a final decision since most federalist MPs are opposed to same-sex marriage.

Harper says a Conservative government would hold a free vote for all MPs on the matter, rather than forcing cabinet ministers to vote with the government.
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby Patches » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:54 pm

IT'S OFFICIAL!!!!!! And I am soooo pumped!!!!! From CP24 Toronto http://www.pulse24.com/Front_Page/page.asp


Love it or hate it, it's about to become the law of the land.

The Liberals, backed by the N.D.P. and the Bloc Quebecois, have officially passed Bill C-38, the legislation that makes same sex marriage legal in Canada.

The vote wasn't really close, ending with a 158-133 result.

It came despite the fact the Grits lost one of their own cabinet ministers to the issue on Tuesday.

MP Joe Commuzi resigned from cabinet, insisting he couldn't vote in favour of the proposal. But he won't be leaving the Liberal party and he remains as a sitting MP.

"This is a personal decision," he admitted before the vote. "In 2004 during the election, I promised faithfully to the people of Thunder Bay-Superior North that I would defend the traditional definition of marriage."

Prime Minister Paul Martin is sorry about Comuzzi's decision, but not surprised. "Rights are rights," he maintains. "None of us can or should we pick and choose whose rights we will defend and those rights we will ignore."

The now ex-cabinet minister is the second Liberal to take public action over his concern this month. London's Pat O'Brien left the party in early June, maintaining he simply couldn't sanction the Grits' stand on the issue.

Canada is only the third country in the world to legalize the ceremonies.

Though the issue has been on the table since the summer of 2003, when the Liberals under then-Prime Minister Jean Chretien sent Bill C-38, titled Law on Civil Marriage, to the Supreme Court of Canada for advice, it's just now headed for the law books.

The Liberals moved Monday to limit debate on the issue to eight more hours - a decision backed by most Bloc Quebecois and New Democrat members.

The move came despite the fact the Grits had originally promised they would allow all the time necessary for discussion on the controversial topic.

The new rules extend the right for gays to marry across the country, even though courts in all provinces and territories but P.E.I., the Northwest Territories, and Alberta had already ruled that barring same-sex unions was unconstitutional.

The bill first made it to the House of Commons in February, even though close to 30 Liberals believed in the traditional definition of marriage.

But the most vocal opponent of the bill has always been Stephen Harper, leader of the Conservative Party. He contended that the law would be stamped with illegitimacy because without the support of Quebec separatists, it may not have passed.

"The truth is most federalist MPs oppose this. It's only a deal with the Bloc that's allowing it to pass."

The Bloc has 54 of the 308 seats in the Commons.

"We're elected," responded Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe. "Our mandate is every bit as legitimate as any member who sits in this chamber."

As for Canadians, their stance on the issue appears to have softened a bit since the issue first appeared on the table.

Belgium and the Netherlands are the only other countries to permit same-sex weddings.

The vote means you won't be hearing much from politicans for a while. The House was adjourned until September following the passage.


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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby WebWarlock » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:36 am

And some more news.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8391828/

Good for you Canada!

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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby FineyMcFine » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:21 am

So I guess it now has to pass the Canadian Senate as well? My friend said that hopefully it will become law by the end of next month. Anyone know what the prospects are for the Senate? From the tone of all the newspaper articles it sounds like it's pretty much a done deal.

(I took a tour of Parliament when I was in Ottawa a couple of years ago and am embarrassed that I don't know more about parliamentary politics.)

One way or another, probably kicking and screaming, Alberta's going to have to get on the marriage train. ;)
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby seurat » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:45 pm

Yes, it does have to be approved by the Senate and also get Royal assent before it becomes the law of the land. Neither will be a problem and most expect it to be law not just by the end of July, but very possibly by the end of next week.

That's the good news. The bad news is that Ralph Klein in Alberta is now saying he might stop doing civil marriage ceromonies to cut down on the number of same-sex marriages that will take place, since church weddings will be harder for same-sex couple to arrange (since the law does not require religous groups to perform them.) I doubt that this will work, but Klein never stops trying does he?
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby Patches » Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:19 am

And Spain joins the parade!!! This news is fabulous!!!


Spanish parliament legalizes same-sex marriage
CTV.ca News Staff


Spain became only the fourth country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage Thursday, despite overriding opposition from the Roman Catholic Church.

"Today Spanish society is giving an answer to a group of people who for years have been humiliated, whose rights have been ignored, whose dignity has been offended...," Socialist Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero told parliament.

The bill passed the 350-seat Congress of Deputies by a vote of 187-147. The legislation also allows gay couples adopt children and inherit each others' property.

After the tally was announced, delighted activists watching from the spectator section blew lawmakers kisses as members of the conservative opposition, who oppose the bill, shouted "This is a disgrace."

The Netherlands and Belgium are the only other European countries that allow gay marriage nationwide. Canada's House of Commons passed legislation Tuesday that would legalize gay marriage.

Now, it will take Senate approval and royal assent to pass the bill into Canadian law.

"We were not the first, but I am sure we will not be the last. After us will come many other countries, driven, ladies and gentlemen, by two unstoppable forces: freedom and equality," Zapatero told the chamber.

Spanish same-sex couples can get married as soon as the law is published in the official government registry.

This could come as early as Friday, or within two weeks at the latest, the parliament's press office said.

The British Broadcasting Corp. reports that about 5,000 gay couples in Spain have already said they are lining up to say "I do."

The gay marriage bill was one of the most divisive initiatives of Zapatero's liberal social agenda since he took office in April 2004.

Mariano Rajoy, leader of Spain's conservative opposition Popular Party that opposed the law, said Zapatero should have sought a consensus that recognized the unions but didn't call them marriage.

"I think the prime minister has committed a grave act of irresponsibility," Rajoy told reporters.

The Roman Catholic Church had adamantly opposed the bill.

Earlier in June, hundreds of thousands marched alongside bishops and nuns through Madrid to protest the measure.

On Wednesday, a Catholic group called the Spanish Family Forum presented MPs with a 600,000-signature petition opposing the legislation.

Despite the protests and opposition from the Roman Catholic Church, polls indicate most Spaniards support gay marriage.

According to a survey released by pollster Instituto Opina in May, 62 per cent of Spaniards support the government's action on this issue, and 30 per cent oppose it.

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And yes Klein and crew are thinking of messing about. But have conceeded that the federal legislation will override the Alberta provincial marriage definitions. Latest is MLA's may consider only having the province sanction/perform 'civil unions' and leave 'marriage' to the church. But the United Church of Canada (Kathy and I were married at Centenary United in Hamilton, ON last year) will perside over full marriage ceremonies, as will MCC. I think a lot of people will be less than pleased if the Alberta provincal government tries to take this route. Though it's ironic that in order to continue to marginalise gay and lesbian people they'd be willing to marginalise the entire province's population (well at least those who don't want a church wedding.) Would be interesting to see the stats on the number of civil marriages performed. Anyway, it's all just smoke and mirrors, even Klein's admitted there's nothing that can be done to stop it. I loath the man's politics and attituted, but at least he respects the rule of law.
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby MemsMapper » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:15 pm

1 more down, 3 jurisdictions left...

From the Globe and Mail, 2005 July 6.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... /National/

PEI bows to same-sex legislation

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Updated at 8:49 PM EDT

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Charlottetown — Prince Edward Island will follow the federal lead and legalize gay marriage, Attorney-General Mildred Dover said Wednesday.

Ms. Dover said the province has little choice but to go along with recent federal legislation that would give same-sex marriages legal status equivalent to traditional heterosexual unions.

“We have said all along that we would comply if the federal government passed same-sex legislation. They have the power to define marriage,” she said.

Ms. Dover's announcement came as a welcome surprise to Greg Howard, executive director of the PEI Human Rights Commission.

Mr. Howard said he has talked to the province about homosexual marriage recognition for some time, but the government has been non-committal.

“This is very good news because the federal legislation only directly changes federal laws and the province is opting to comply with that as opposed to trying to find some way to circumvent the law,” he said.

“If they wanted to, they could be dragging their heels. This is good news for gay and lesbian people on Prince Edward Island.”

Ms. Dover said bringing Island laws into compliance with the broadened definition of marriage could be a complicated process. She said staff have identified approximately 50 places in provincial legislation where references to spouse, marriage, husband or wife may have to be altered to include non-traditional pairs.

“We're looking at the possibility of bringing in an omnibus bill that would say something to the effect of wherever the word spouse appears in our legislation, it includes same-sex and heterosexual marriages,” she said.

“If that's not possible, this is going to be a lot longer process.”

Alberta, Nunavut and the Northwest Territories are only other jurisdictions that haven't recognized same-sex marriage.


ETA: Ralph Klein is saying Alberta will recognize same-sex marriages.

From the Globe and Mail, 2005 July 12

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... /National/

Alberta to recognize same-sex marriage

By SCOTT DEVEAU

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 Updated at 3:50 PM EDT

Globe and Mail Update

Premier Ralph Klein announced Tuesday Alberta would reluctantly recognize same-sex marriage in light of the impending federal legislation, currently before the Senate.

“We will proceed to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, much to our chagrin, following proclamation of the federal Civil Marriage Act,” Mr. Klein said in a press conference in Calgary Tuesday.

Mr. Klein said if an Alberta marriage commissioner doesn't want to perform a marriage, however, he or she would not be forced to.

“We will develop legislative options to ensure the rights of religious officials and those Albertans, who hold social or cultural beliefs or values, whether religious or non-religious, will be free to express opposition to the traditional definition of marriage or a change to the traditional definition of marriage and will not be required to advocate, promote, or teach about marriage in a way that conflicts with their beliefs.”

The provincial Conservative government has long opposed same-sex marriage and said it would use every legal option to fight it.

However, Mr. Klein said Tuesday that after consulting with his legal advisers, “that our chances of winning are virtually none.”


And a couple of links to related articles in the Halifax Chronicle Herald.

Gay bliss business comes to Halifax
http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2005/07 ... 5.raw.html

Anti-same-sex marriage group lobbies Queen to halt Bill C-38
http://www.herald.ns.ca/breaking/stories/n21877018.html
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Postby Ben Varkentine » Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:10 pm

I can't believe no one beat me to posting this...

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Canada 4th Nation to Legalize Gay Marriage


TORONTO - Canada legalized gay marriage Wednesday, becoming the world's fourth nation to grant full legal rights to same-sex couples.

Supreme Court Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin signed the legislation making it law, hours after it was approved by the Senate late Tuesday night despite strong opposition from Conservatives and religious leaders.

The bill grants same-sex couples legal rights equal to those in traditional unions between a man and a woman, something already legal in eight of Canada's 10 provinces and in two of its three territories.

The legislation drafted by Prime Minister Paul Martin's minority Liberal Party government easily passed the Senate, which essentially rubber stamps any bill already passed by the House of Commons, which passed it late last month.

The Netherlands, Belgium and Spain are the only other nations that allow gay marriage nationwide.


Let's hear it for Canada, the Netherlands, Belgium and Spain! :clap
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Postby sam7777 » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:53 am

It's depressing how backward the US is and how many countries are surpassing us.
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Postby russ » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:46 pm

This is how the Canadians for Equal Marriage newsletter reported the event. The last paragraph says it all for me.

EQUAL MARRIAGE BILL PASSES FINAL HURDLE

At 11:25 pm on Tuesday night, the Senate passed the equal marriage bill by an overwhelming 47 to 21, with 3 abstentions. What a night!! Today, Wednesday, the bill will receive Royal Assent and be proclaimed into law. Same sex couples will now be able to marry in every province and territory of this great country.

Parliament has spoken. It has clearly and loudly proclaimed that same sex couples are equal in value and equal in law.

The vote was not expected until later in the week, since it was only reported back from the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee on Monday evening. In the end, the debate concluded of its own accord, without the need for closure.

This is a proud and exciting time to be a Canadian. Today, we made history. Today, we affirmed once again our world-wide reputation as a country that is open, inclusive and welcoming.

In a generation, Canadians will look back on a time when lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans-identified people were denied full citizenship, just as we look back on the days when women or Aboriginal people could not vote or times when Canadian citizens were interned because of ethnic origin. We will talk about these days and this battle. We will be proud, as Canadians, that we rejected rejection, that we ended exclusion, that we said to LGBT people: there are no second-class Canadians, you are full members of the community, without caveat or exceptions.
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby WebWarlock » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:16 pm

New one.

Battle Over Gay Marriage Plays Out in Indian Country

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... rss_nation

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Postby Warduke » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:17 pm

From Yahoo...

Court Tosses Cherokee Gay-Marriage Case

Wed Aug 3, 5:20 PM ET

TAHLEQUAH, Okla. - A Cherokee Nation court has dismissed a lawsuit seeking to prevent the tribe from giving its legal blessing to a lesbian couple's marriage.

The Judicial Appeals Tribunal in its ruling Wednesday said that tribe member and attorney Todd Hembree had no standing to sue and could not show that he suffered any harm by legal recognition of the same-sex marriage.

Dawn McKinley and Kathy Reynolds haven't decided whether they will try again to file their tribal marriage certificate. Since the tribe is sovereign, Cherokee Nation marriage certificates are recognized just like Oklahoma marriage licenses.

The couple, who are both members of the tribe, exchanged vows in Cherokee in May 2004 after the tribe gave them the certificate without protest. But Hembree sued and won an injunction that kept it from being filed.

After the couple wed, the Cherokee Nation Tribal Council unanimously approved language defining a union as between one man and one woman.

Previously, tribal laws governing marriages used Cherokee terms for "husband" and "wife" that Hembree claimed were gender-specific. The couple contended the terms were not gender specific, and that the Cherokee words used in the marriage ceremony are "cooker" for wife and "companion" for husband.

The court would still have to accept the certificate before it is filed.

"We're excited, we're happy," Reynolds said. "We're determining what our next step is going to be."

Hembree, who serves as counsel to the tribe's legislative body, said the court's decision ends the case for him: "That is a decision by the highest court in our land."
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Postby Gatito Grande » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:59 pm

(I really should have posted the story about the California Senate vote, in favor of same-sex marriage, here last week. At least I'll get it right this time, w/ the California Assembly vote for the same!!! :pride)

Gay-Marriage Bill Narrowly Passes California Assembly
By Nancy Vogel

SACRAMENTO—The California Legislature made history Tuesday as the Assembly passed a bill to legalize same-sex marriage. With no votes to spare, California's lawmakers became the first in the United States to act without a court order to sanction gay unions. The measure was approved after three Democratic lawmakers, who abstained on a similar proposal that failed in June, changed their minds under intense lobbying by bill author Assemblyman Mark Leno (D-San Francisco) and gay and civil rights activists.

The bill, which would change California's legal definition of marriage from "a civil contract between a man and a woman" to a "civil contract between two persons," now goes to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. The governor has signaled that he will veto it. [GG: No! Don't let this happen!!! :mad]

Tuesday's partisan vote came after 23 lawmakers spoke for an hour and a half, many of them describing the historic importance of their action, others relating intensely personal stories.

In a moment of high drama, with dozens of gay-rights supporters watching from the Assembly gallery, Salinas hesitated for several seconds as the tally hung at 40 "ayes" — one short of passage. Then, having promised Leno months ago that he would not let the bill fail if it garnered 40 votes, Salinas pressed the "aye" button on his desk, making the final vote 41-35. Those seconds "seemed like an eternity," said Mark Guzman of El Dorado Hills, as he and his partner of 14 years, J. Scott Coatsworth, celebrated in the Capitol rotunda after the voting.

Assemblymembers Tom Umberg of Anaheim, Gloria Negrete-McLeod of Chino and Simon Salinas of Salinas provided the key votes. Assemblymember Mervyn Dymally (D-Compton), who had missed the Assembly floor vote in June, also helped the bill prevail.

Assemblyman Jerome Horton, (D-Inglewood), one of the lawmakers who abstained in June when Leno's bill failed 37-36, withheld his vote again Tuesday. Assemblywoman Bonnie Garcia (R-Imperial City) abstained after having voted "no" in June. Assemblyman Joe Baca, Jr. (D-Rialto) also abstained Tuesday.

Two of the lawmakers who switched their votes from abstain to "aye" said in floor speeches that they were glad for another chance.

Umberg elicited applause and whoops in the otherwise hushed chamber when he described why he had changed his mind. He said he had been "cajoled, been harassed, been harangued and been threatened" by friends over the issue.

"This is one of those time when history looks upon us to see where we are," said Umberg. "Ten years from now, there are a handful of issues that history will record where we stood and this is one of those issues."

"History will record whether we pushed a bit, took the lead to encourage tolerance, to encourage equality to encourage fairness," he said.

"The constituency I'm concerned about is a very small one," said Umberg, "and that's the constituency of my three children, should they decide to look back on my record ... and reflect on where I was when we could make a difference."
[GG: Yes!!! Thank you, Tom Umberg! :kiss]

Negrete-McLeod similarly said she regretted abstaining in June.

The fight over same-sex marriage will now shift to the governor's office -- and to the courts and perhaps the ballot box. A case testing the legality of gay marriage is moving toward the state Supreme Court, and opponents of same-sex marriage are trying to qualify two different initiatives to ban gay marriage for the ballot next year.

Leno characterized gay marriage as the most important civil rights issue of the 21st century. He enlisted Dolores Huerta, co-founder of the United Farm Workers of America, and Alice Huffman, California president of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, to help him lobby undecided lawmakers.

Huerta said she spoke to Salinas last week and "went back to our old culture, the Latino culture."

"Respecting other people's rights is peace," she said. "Respecting other people's rights to marry who they want is a constitutional right, it's a human right and it's a privacy right. I said to Simon, 'You've got to be a leader . . . .You've got to have courage.' "

Opponents of same-sex marriage call Leno's bill unconstitutional, saying that it overturns what voters put into law five years ago when they passed Proposition 22 by 61%. That initiative stated that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California.

"The only word I can see here is prostitution," said Randy Thomasson, president of the nonprofit Campaign for Children and Families. "Instead of obeying the votes and the constitution, the Democratic politicians have prostituted themselves to the homosexual marriage agenda. It's not gay, it's bad."

After Leno's bill fell three votes short of passing the Assembly in June, he inserted the gay marriage legislation into a bill about marine research that was pending in the Senate. That bill, AB 849, cleared the Senate on Thursday, also with the minimum number of votes necessary.

Some Republicans, none of whom voted for Leno's bill, downplayed the historic significance of the vote and said gay marriage is not an issue of civil rights.

Others criticized Leno for reviving the bill after the June defeat and called homosexual marriage immoral.

"The institution of marriage transcends political fads," said Assemblyman Ray Haynes (R-Murrieta). "We are talking about an institution that has been defined for thousands of years . . . and we are being asked to engage in a great social experiment."

Leno said he optimistic that Schwarzenegger has an open mind on his bill, which the governor has until Oct. 9 to veto or sign. He noted that public opinion on gay marriage is evenly split, 46% to 46%, in California based on a recent poll by the Public Policy Institute of California.

"I believe this is a governor who at his core is a libertarian on issues of social matters," said Leno, "and that he is very fair --minded."

"I think he also takes the longer, rather than shorter, view of history," he said.

After the Assembly vote, Schwarzenegger spokeswoman Margita Thompson said, "The people spoke when they passed Proposition 22.

"The issue subsequently went to the courts. The governor believes the courts are the correct venue for this decision to be made, " Thompson said. "He will uphold whatever decision the court renders."


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage7sep07,0,3784014.story?coll=la-tot-promo&track=morenews

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All California Kittens! FULL-COURT PRESS ON THE GOVERNATOR! :governator Let Ahnold know how you feel, and don't let him weasel his way out of this!!!


GG Can somebody explain this: Ahnold's "Let the courts decide." I thought that was judicial activism, which every Rethuglican and his mother OPPOSES??? Out
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Postby Warduke » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:06 pm

From Yahoo...

Mass. Lawmakers Reject Gay Marriage Ban

By STEVE LeBLANC, Associated Press Writer


BOSTON - The Massachusetts Legislature on Wednesday rejected a proposed constitutional amendment that sought to ban gay marriage but legalize civil unions, a year after the state performed the nation's first government-sanctioned same-sex weddings.

It was the second time the Legislature had confronted the measure, which was intended to be put before voters on a statewide ballot in 2006. Under state law, lawmakers were required to approve it in two consecutive sessions before it could move forward.

After less than two hours of debate Wednesday, a joint session of the House and Senate voted 157-39 against the measure.

It was a striking departure from a year earlier, when hundreds of protesters converged on Beacon Hill and sharply divided legislators spent long hours debating the issue. In that session, in March 2004, lawmakers voted 105-92 in favor of the amendment.

This year, the crowds were tamer and some legislators who had initially supported the proposed change to the state constitution said they no longer felt right about denying the right of marriage to thousands of same-sex couples.

"Gay marriage has begun, and life has not changed for the citizens of the commonwealth, with the exception of those who can now marry," said state Sen. Brian Lees, a Republican who had been a co-sponsor of the amendment. "This amendment which was an appropriate measure or compromise a year ago, is no longer, I feel, a compromise today."

The proposal also was opposed by critics of gay marriage, who want to push for a more restrictive measure.

"The union of two women and two men can never consummate a marriage. It's physically impossible," said state Rep. Phil Travis, a Democrat. "The other 49 states are right and we are wrong."

Lawmakers already are preparing for a battle over another proposed amendment that would ban both gay marriage and civil unions. The earliest that initiative could end up on the ballot is 2008.

The state's highest court ruled in November 2003 that same-sex couples had a right under the state constitution to marry. The first weddings took place on May 17, 2004 — two months after lawmakers began the process of trying to change the constitution to reverse the court's ruling.

Since then, more than 6,100 couples have married.

Within a year of the first Massachusetts marriages, 11 states pushed through constitutional amendments banning gay marriage, joining six others that had done so earlier.

The Connecticut Legislature approved civil unions in April, joining Vermont in creating the designation that creates the same legal rights as marriage without calling it such. Earlier this month, California lawmakers passed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage, though Gov.
Arnold Schwarzenegger has promised to veto it.

Although more than 6,100 same-sex couples were married in Massachusetts, the state barred out-of-state couples from getting married here, citing a 1913 law that prohibits couples from marrying in Massachusetts if their union would be illegal in their home states. A lawsuit challenging the legality of that law is pending before the SJC.
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby watty » Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:51 am

On 5 December the Civil Partnership Act 2004 will come into force in the UK. Couples who form a civil partnership will have a new legal status, that of "civil partner" :
  • Same sex couples recognised as legal partners
  • Similar rights, including immgration rights, as married couples
  • Inheritance and pensions benefits etc
  • Court-based dissolution similar to divorce

From BBC News:

Naming the gay day
by Dominic Casciani
Last Updated: Tuesday, 22 November 2005, 11:36 GMT


If you thought the Modern Life show in north London was about shiny new fridges, perhaps the Pink Singers belting out Abba's greatest hits would put you straight - although, then again, straight is probably the wrong word.

In less than a month, a law comes into force to allow gay and lesbian couples the right to form civil partnerships. You'll never hear government use the phrase, but to all intents and purposes Britain is about to see gay weddings.

The first ceremonies take place on 21 December (there has to be an official period of declaration before going ahead). With that in mind, some of those thinking of tying the knot headed for the Modern Life show, an exhibition of everything you might want - and a great deal you never knew you needed - for the "happy day".

Photographers promote pictures of loving grooms or two brides laughing along the aisle. Cake companies are busy exhibiting single sex couples to top off their creations. And then, of course, there are the His and His towels courtesy of the gift list companies. Clearly some thought it was fun, others found it a bit tacky and stereotyping.

The government thinks up to 22,000 gay couples will take civil partnership in the first five years. Over-30s are expected to be particularly keen because it accords key rights to them as couples.

Before the Civil Partnership Act 2004, gay couples were vulnerable to all the legal insecurities of straight couples who live together out of wedlock. This threat lifts with civil partnership.

"Next of kin" rules will now be crystal clear: a doctor will no longer be able to deny someone their rights because they don't approve of their lifestyle.

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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby vix84 » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:04 pm

watson, I just read about this and am so happy that it has finally happened. It's about time. I'm a British citizen too and this will offer some new possibilities! I hope Australia does what it does best - mimic England. I read that Elton and his man are tying the knot on the first day possible. Hurrah for a pink England!
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Postby justin » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:10 pm

I hope Australia does what it does best - mimic England.


It'd be great if this does happen. Unfortunately the current goverment seems to be more interested in mimicing America.
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby Warduke » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:26 pm

From Yahoo...

South African Court Affirms Gay Marriage

By ALEXANDRA ZAVIS, Associated Press Writer


JOHANNESBURG, South Africa - South Africa's highest court ruled in favor of gay marriage Thursday, a landmark decision that clears the way for the country to become the first to legalize same-sex unions on a continent where homosexuality remains largely taboo.

The decision does not take immediate effect, however. The Constitutional Court, which decided it is unconstitutional to prohibit gays from marrying, gave Parliament a year to make the necessary legal changes. That disappointed gay rights activists, some of whom have been waiting years to wed.

"We were thinking we would be calling our friends today and inviting them to our wedding," said Fikile Vilakazi, of the Forum for the Empowerment of Women, who proposed to her partner more than six months ago. "Now they are asking us to wait another year."

Canada, the Netherlands, Belgium and Spain are the only nations that now allow gay marriage nationwide.

South Africa recognized the rights of gay people in the constitution adopted after apartheid ended in 1994 — the first in the world to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. But the government has opposed attempts to extend the definition of marriage in court to include same-sex couples in the mostly Christian country.

Married couples have many rights denied gay couples, including the ability to make decisions on each other's behalf in medical emergencies and inheritance rights if a partner dies without a will.

In delivering Thursday's ruling, Judge Albie Sachs said current legal definitions of marriage as a union between a man and a woman "are accordingly inconsistent with sections ... of the Constitution to the extent that they make no provision for same-sex couples to enjoy the status, entitlements and responsibilities they accord to heterosexual couples."

The court instructed Parliament to extend the legal definition within a year, or else the courts would automatically do so, the South African Press Association reported.

Judge Kate O'Regan agreed with the other 10 members of the court that same-sex marriage should be legal but argued in a separate opinion that the court should effect the changes immediately — a view shared by gay rights groups.

One fear is that during the coming months lawmakers could attempt to water down the decision by introducing a different category of marriage for same-sex couples, Vilakazi said. Proposals previously mooted in Parliament include the introduction of "civil unions," which would provide the same legal benefits as marriage but not oblige religious institutions to solemnize them, she told The Associated Press.

Some Christian groups already are arguing that Thursday's ruling goes too far.

"South Africa has a very strong traditional and conservative population," said Steven Swart, spokesman for the tiny African Christian Democratic Party. "We as Christian Democrats believe we should treat all people with compassion, but there are certain guidelines that we stand by: Marriage is a union between a man and women."

Rhema Church Pastor Ray McCauley said: "It is a sad day for South Africa when the very bedrock foundation of society, the family, is redefined by a court. We believe that the majority of South Africans do not agree with this decision."

Thursday's ruling was in response to a government appeal against a Supreme Court ruling last year that said a lesbian couple's union should be recognized. There was no immediate government comment on the decision.

Marie Fourie and Cecelia Bonthuys, a couple from Pretoria, took their case to court after the government refused to recognize their October 2002 wedding on the basis of the common-law definition of marriage. They were not in court Thursday.
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby jago » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:48 am

'Gay weddings' become law in UK

Hundreds of gay couples are preparing to form civil partnerships in the coming weeks as the law changes after decades of campaigning. At least 1,200 ceremonies are confirmed as being scheduled already, according to figures from councils compiled by the BBC News website.

Councils are preparing for the first ceremonies, with couples permitted to register from Monday morning. Campaigners says the law ends inequalities for same-sex couples.

The first ceremonies under the Civil Partnerships Act can take place in Northern Ireland on 19 December, followed by Scotland the next day and England and Wales on 21 December.

Under the law, couples who want to form a partnership must register their intentions with local councils. Unlike marriages, the signing of the legal partnership papers does not need to happen in public.

Bookings coming in

Hundreds of couples are expected to go ahead quickly, with Brighton conducting 198 ceremonies before the end of the year. Overall, the city has taken 510 bookings for the coming months, thought to be the highest in the country.

Other cities which have seen strong interest include London, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle and Edinburgh.

Meg Munn, minister for equality, said the government expected 4,500 couples to get "partnered" in the first year.

"This is an important piece of legislation that gives legal recognition to relationships which until now were invisible in the eyes of the law," Ms Munn told the BBC News website.

"It accords people in same-sex relationships the same sort of rights and responsibilities that are available to married couples.

"We know there are people who have been together maybe 40 years and have been waiting for the chance to do this kind of thing, because of the important differences it makes to their lives.

"They have the same concerns as married couples - tenancy, ownership, pensions and inheritance.

"People now have this as an option to consider when they feel they are in a permanent relationship and feel it is the right thing to do. It is just as serious a commitment to make as marriage."

Alan Wardle, of gay campaign group Stonewall, said the importance of the change should not be underestimated.

"Our view is that civil partnerships are transformative for the lives of individual couples and their rights, but also for society more generally.

"Society now legally recognises gay relationships for the first time.

"It's a big day but 21 December, when the first partnerships take place, will be even bigger because that will see gay and lesbian people removing discrimination."

Reticent councils

Campaigners have however focused on councils which have been equivocal about the new law.


Bromley in south-east London had initially planned not to offer public ceremonies. Lisburn in Northern Ireland also overturned a proposed ban.

Some registrars have objected to officiating at ceremonies, according to reports in some newspapers.

Ms Munn said any councils dragging their feet needed to comply with the both the spirit and letter of the law.

"The legislation requires that every authority must offer a civil partnership. The basic level of that is a simple signing of a register - some couples may just want that alone.

"But if any councils are saying they won't allow [public] ceremonies, for couples who want that kind of celebration, then it's time they came into the 21st century.

"Most people I have spoken to have had very moving stories. If councils won't, then there are plenty of people willing to take the business."


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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby AmbersSecretAdmirer » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:51 am

Okay, let's not get ahead of ourselves here cos the Civil Partnership is a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Imagine if you will a desert where the only oasis is run by a tribe who refuse to allow you drink from their stream because you are of a different tribe. Time passes on a the new tribe leader allows a concession. he allows the other tribe members to drink but not from the stream, as that is for their tribe only, but from a small water pump that has been erected to draw water from the reservoir. The water is as clean as in the stream and the pump is a bit rusty and in need of cleaning but still the other tribes rejoice, as they are finally being allowed to drink at the oasis.

Simply put, that is the Civil Partnership Bill in the UK. It is a good first step, but let's not rejoice at the less clean, rust and dirt filled water just yet just cos you ahve went without for so long. It may have the illusion of equality, but it's not close.
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby vix84 » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:28 pm

AmbersSecretAdmirer said:
It may have the illusion of equality, but it's not close.


I agree, but it still makes me optimistic and happy. At the moment, any change is good change as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather jump at the chance of a civil union and then continue to fight for more than turn it down altogether.

Justin said:
It'd be great if this does happen. Unfortunately the current goverment seems to be more interested in mimicing America.


We're definitely America's lapdog, but today I bring good news. On 2 December, the ACT (Australian Capital Territory) announced that it will introduce civil unions laws in March 06, which will be open to Australians of other states, too. This is awesome news. I'm hoping the other states will follow their lead.

http://chiefminister.act.gov.au/media.asp?media=927&id=927§ion=24&title=Jon%20Stanhope,%20MLA

http://www.ssonet.com.au/display.asp?ArticleID=4913
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby LtSticks » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:16 pm

There was this article in the papers today about gay marriage, some d**kwad was going on about how it wasn't right blah blah, but the overwhelming majority was in support of the Civil Partnership Act, and its wonderful that Sir Elton John and David Furnish have announced their intention to marry, shows that there may be hope yet for the United Crapdom *nonpatriotic Brit present, sorry pro Brits :p)

I hope the increase in support for gay marriages in governments continue, I for one am still not satisfied with how relatively few countries legalising it there really are :(
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby jago » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:50 am

The first civil partnership ceremony in the UK takes place today between a lesbian couple, one from Belfast and the other from New York. :applause

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4540226.stm#

First 'gay weddings' in Belfast

The first set of civil partnership ceremonies for gay couples in the UK is due to be held in Northern Ireland.

Two lesbian couples and a gay couple are due to exchange vows at Belfast City Hall, which already has 20 provisional bookings for the services.

The new Civil Partnership Act provides same-sex couples with similar legal rights to married couples.

The first ceremonies in Scotland will take place on Tuesday, and in England and Wales on Wednesday.

Two women, Shannon Sickles and Grainne Close, will be the first couple to exchange vows in a ceremony at Belfast City Hall at 1000 GMT.

Both protesters and supporters are expected to be outside.

At least 1,200 ceremonies are confirmed as being scheduled across the UK already, according to figures from councils compiled by the BBC News website.

Special Permission

Hundreds of couples across the UK are expected to go ahead quickly, with Brighton conducting 198 ceremonies before the end of the year. Overall, the city has taken 510 bookings for the coming months, thought to be the highest in the country.

Other cities which have seen strong interest include London, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle and Edinburgh.

Two weeks ago a terminally ill man from Brighton received special permission to go ahead with a ceremony before the normal 15-day waiting period after registration.

Matthew Roche, who had lung cancer, and Christopher Cramp held their ceremony hours after the Civil Partnership Act became law on 5 December. Mr Roche died the next day.

Campaigners say the law ends inequalities for same-sex couples.

Since it came into force, couples have been able to legally register an intention to form a civil partnership with local councils.

Legal Rights

It means same-sex couples can have their relationships recognised in law for the first time.

It also provides registered gay and lesbian couples with a number of legal rights and entitlements already held by heterosexual couples in civil marriages.

But unlike marriages, the signing of the legal partnership papers does not need to happen in public.

Last month, Lisburn City Council in Northern Ireland overturned its policy regarding gay and lesbian unions.

The council had banned the use of its wedding room for same-sex civil partnership registrations, prompting gay activists to threaten legal action.

After consulting lawyers, a council committee decided the ban should be lifted.



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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby WebWarlock » Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:06 am

Here is another one.

First Lesbian Union Registered in U.K.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179112,00.html

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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby Kieli » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:58 pm

Unfortunately, there is some bad news on the gay marriage front:

http://www.sierratimes.com/05/12/19/205_188_116_14_70268.htm

First Lesbian Civil Union Ends in Violence
Jim Kouri, CPP

Two outspoken lesbians became the first same-sex civil union in the United States are splitting up amid allegations of violent behavior. Carolyn Conrad, 35, asked a court in October to end her relationship with Kathleen Peterson, 46.

Conrad also obtained an order of protection against her former partner, claiming Peterson punched a hole in the wall during an argument and threatened to harm Conrad's friend. Conrad believes her former lover is capable of violent behavior and she needs protection to prevent further contact.

"All I want to say is that the civil union was a big source of pride for me, and now it's not," Peterson said.

The couple were together for five years when they were legally joined in Brattleboro minutes after Vermont's civil-union law took effect on July 1, 2000. Two years ago, the couple were offering relationship advice on a gay-rights website.

By the end of 2004, close to 8,000 same-sex civil unions were performed in Vermont. It's the first state to offer gay couples nearly all the rights and privileges of marriage. Of the 8,000 civil unions only 78 haved ended in legal separation. Civil unions do not end in divorce -- the process is called dissolution.

Bari Shamas, a member of the Vermont Freedom to Marry Task Force, told Associated Press that gay relationships are prone to the same difficulties as heterosexual marriages.

"There's no proof that our relationships are any better than heterosexual relationships," Shamas said.
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby DaveV » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:24 pm

Here in Canada there's a national election today. Since it seems that a Conservative government might get elected, gay couples have been rushing to get married - just in case the same-sex marriage law gets repealed.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060118/elxn_gay_marriage_060118A

Gays rush to altar, fearing marriage law at risk

CTV.ca News Staff

Gay couples across Canada are rushing to the altar, worried that a possible Conservative government will reverse the legalization of same sex marriages.

David Lockwood and Jason Cass got married Wednesday in Toronto.

"We decided Saturday night (to get married) Wednesday afternoon. The election is Monday. We wanted to do it before Monday," Cass said.

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper said at the beginning of the election campaign that he would allow a free vote on the issue if the Conservatives form the next government.

Pastor Mickey Wilson in Edmonton is scheduled to marry five same-sex couples in 10 days.

Toronto's city hall wedding co-ordinator, Louise Code, said there are 10 same-sex marriages booked for Friday.

"We've noticed a considerable surge in same-sex weddings that wish to be performed," she said.

So has Winnipeg wedding planning company Pride Bride.

Co-owner Rita Leonard told CTV's Canada AM Thursday her company has been getting many more calls than usual with the looming election. Some couples are considering marriage as a political statement and others are just looking at holding their weddings sooner, she said.

"For the most part we're telling people to be cautious, you know, take your time, don't rush into anything," Leonard said.

"Nothing is going to change overnight," added Pride Bride's marriage commissioner, Paula Rutledge. "We have lots of time, and we don't feel that people have to panic."

Ontario Health Minister George Smitherman and his partner are also considering pushing up their marriage date if Harper becomes prime minister.

"We're concerned that the rights we currently have that are constitutionally guaranteed are put at risk by Mr. Harper," Smitherman said.

Same-sex marriage was legalized by the Liberal government last spring when it changed the definition of marriage to include such unions.

Rutledge said she doesn't think revoking the rights would be easy or fair.

"You can't put the genie back in the bottle, and for us to have no equality with a similar same-sex couple that lives next door to us, I just can't see it."

The wedding rush is occurring as Vote Marriage Canada, a supporter of traditional marriage, released on Wednesday a list of 50 election candidates it is endorsing. The list includes Conservative candidates such as Stephen Harper, Jason Kenney and Vic Toews, who are opposed to same-sex marriage.

The group's leader, former Conservative MP Grant Hill, called for a free vote on the issue.

"Win or not, I'll be satisfied with the results of a free vote," he said.

Another group, Equipping Christians for the Public Square, is encouraging Christians to vote for candidates who favour traditional marriage.

"We're saying look at the candidates and those candidates who are going to defend that institution (of marriage), those are the ones we're encouraging you to vote for," Rev. Kirstin Emanuel, a Presbyterian minister and president of the group, told CTV's Mike Duffy.

Liberal Leader Paul Martin also brought up the issue Wednesday. He said Harper is "out of step" with Canadian values on issues including same sex-marriage and abortion.

"The question isn't change. It's change for what? I don't believe that Canadians want to roll back the clock."

Some are questioning whether a Harper government would have the constitutional right to redefine marriage as being a union between a man and a woman.

"Ultimately, it's clear that it won't work to try and take away equal marriage,'' said Laurie Arron, director of advocacy for Egale Canada, a gay and lesbian rights organization said. He added that courts in eight provinces have already ruled it's unconstitutional to exclude same-sex couples from civil marriage.

Justice Minister Irwin Cotler said the concerns of gay couples aren't unwarranted.

"What's troubling people isn't the immediate effect of what Mr. Harper intends, but the cast of mind that is so quick to over ride the constitution and charter of rights," he said on Countdown with Mike Duffy.

Duffy also questioned whether the Liberal Party has a double standard because 32 of its MPs voted against same sex marriage last year.

Cotler reiterated the Liberals are concerned about Harper's lack of respect for the Charter of Rights.

With files from CTV's Austin Delaney, Erin Isfeld and The Canadian Press
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby FineyMcFine » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:45 pm

In Maryland, my current state of residence, last week a court found that the state's equal protection clause of its consitution should be interpreted to allow same-sex couples to marry, or that it didn't prohibit it, or something. The upshot is, a trial court found that same-sex couples should be able to marry! The decision, of course, is stayed until the state appeals it to the highest court in Maryland, the ambiguously named Court of Appeals. (Why it's not called the state Supreme Court, I don't know.) Groups are saying that it's unlikely the decision will be handed down by the Court of Appeals in 2006. But it's great news nonetheless!

This is a FAQ about the case:

http://www.equalitymaryland.org/deane_polyak_qanda.htm
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby JustSkipIt » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:22 pm

I have to say that I continue to feel afraid about court decisions such as that one. While it's incredibly obvious that the entire current set of laws are unfair, I'm not confident that unfair or fair will be the deciding factor in the topic.

When the marriages happened in SF, NY, and Massachusetts, I was as excited as anyone. My partner and I looked at tickets to both SF and Mass. and what would happen if we got married in either location. But I became very disillusioned by the results of the 2004 election. Not only did so many state constitutional amendments pass, banning gay marriage entirely, but it seems to me that the issue was used to "get out the vote" and probably win the election for Bush. For the first time, this conversation was happening and it only moved against us.

In my own state, 253 of 254 counties voted for a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. The overall rate was 77% for the amendment, 23% against. Even the one county that did not pass it (my home county of Travis) only failed it 60/40.

Now so far, the federal marriage amendment has not been able to gather enough steam to actually make it out of the congress. My concern is that court cases such as that one can be used by the Right as leverage to revitalize the amendment. I don’t remember enough high school civics to know what it takes to pass a constitutional amendment but I do remember that an amendment trumps a court decision.

I’d like equal rights but failing that, I’d like not to lose any more rights…
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Re: Wives and Husbands - the Gay Marriage Thread

Postby urnofosiris » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:00 am

Posted by COMMA in the introduction thread


While I do not feel that the US Constitution supports same sex marriage, I do feel that it does support same sex civil unions. I would also support an admendment to the US Constitution to support same sex marriage.

The reason I do not feel that the US Constitution supports same sex marriage in it's present form is what US Law was, and is, based on, Ehglish Common Law, also called the King's Law. It stated that marriage was for the benefit of the state to allow for the birth of more tax paying citizens. Yes, I have a history and a business degree.


This is an interesting theory. If that can be an excuse as to why gay marriage is still not legally allowed in the US, then by that same interpretation a man and a woman who know they cannot conceive a child or who are determined to never have children should not be allowed to marry either. Besides, gay couples can produce tax paying offspring too. :p
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