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Episcopal Leader Defends Gay Bishop
By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer
NEW YORK - With two key meetings ahead that could determine whether the Episcopal Church splits over homosexuality, the denomination's leader defended his support Monday for an openly gay bishop in an interview with The Associated Press.
Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold said he voted at last month's General Convention to confirm Bishop-elect V. Gene Robinson because Episcopalians in New Hampshire had overwhelmingly chosen him in their local election and had the right to make that choice. Griswold also argued that Scripture does not condemn same-sex relationships, a position conservatives vehemently reject.
Robinson has lived with his male partner for more than 13 years and worked in the Diocese of New Hampshire for about 15 years.
"I wasn't settling the question of sexuality. I was affirming the choice of a diocese," Griswold said, seated in his midtown Manhattan office.
Later, he said that in biblical times there was no understanding that homosexuality was a natural orientation and not a choice.
"Discreet acts of homosexuality" were condemned in the Bible because they were acts of lust instead of the "love, forgiveness, grace" of committed same-sex relationships, he said.
"Homosexuality, as we understand it as an orientation, is not mentioned in the Bible," he said. "I think the confirmation of the bishop of New Hampshire is acknowledging what is already a reality in the life of the church and the larger society of which we are a part."
Griswold made the comments at a critical time for his leadership of the 2.3-million member Episcopal Church.
Next week, the conservative American Anglican Council will gather more than 1,400 lay Episcopalians, bishops and clergy in Dallas to decide whether to break from the denomination over Robinson.
The following week, on Oct. 15-16, Griswold will join fellow leaders of the world Anglican Communion at an emergency meeting in London to prevent their association from fracturing over the gay bishop and other issues related to homosexuality.
The Episcopal Church is the U.S. branch of the 77-million-member global Anglican Communion, which represents churches that trace their roots to the Church of England.
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, the communion's spiritual leader, summoned the other 37 church primates to London after several overseas bishops threatened to sever ties with the Americans. Archbishop of Nigeria Peter Akinola called electing Robinson "a satanic attack on God's church."
U.S. conservatives have asked Williams to consider authorizing a separate Anglican province in North America. Griswold would not say whether he thought the idea would be approved, but said he believed it would require a vote by the American church's General Convention, not a decision by Williams, to authorize it.
"It would involve our own decision-making processes, our own constitution, so most likely it would require action by the General Convention," he said.
Asked his reaction to demands from some critics that he be sanctioned personally, Griswold shrugged and said "whatever will be, will be." But he also said he would explain to the other Anglican leaders that, unlike many of them, he does not have the authority to intervene in a diocese.
Griswold said he has met with about 20 American bishops in New York and in visits to other dioceses since the national convention last month and was "deeply concerned" for those "troubled" by Robinson's confirmation.
A handful of U.S. dioceses have held special conventions that rejected Robinson's ratification and asked world Anglican leaders to intervene.
Some bishops and parishes have temporarily withheld payments from the national church and a few clergy have quit their parishes or the denomination altogether.
But Griswold also said he saw hopeful signs in his talks with other Episcopalians that the church could remain unified.
"Yes, we are dealing with something that is difficult and problematic and the end is not in sight and the consequences are not fully revealed," he said. "However, on balance there are many faithful Episcopalians, priests and bishops going about the ministry of reconciliation with gusto."
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Conservative Episcopalians Meet on Gays
By RICHARD N. OSTLING, AP Religion Writer
DALLAS - Standing and singing together, 2,600 conservative Episcopalians began an emotional meeting Tuesday where they will discuss how to fight their denomination's liberal steps on homosexuality — with the possibility of a church split in the air.
The gathering started with a crowd of clergy and lay people packed into a hotel ballroom and belting out the old hymn "Stand Up, Stand Up, for Jesus, Ye Soldiers of the Cross."
The meeting, which concludes Thursday, was originally planned as a strategy session for a few hundred leaders. But it mushroomed as conservatives reacted against two actions at the Episcopal Church's midsummer convention: confirmation of a gay bishop living with his partner, and a vote to recognize — though not endorse or condemn — that bishops are allowing blessing ceremonies for same-sex couples.
The presence in Dallas of 45 of the church's 300 bishops underscored the gravity of the situation.
"We have two to three weeks to see the future of the Episcopal Church in America," said the Rev. David Roseberry, whose 4,000-member Christ Church in suburban Plano organized the event.
He referred not only to the Dallas meeting but, more importantly, an Oct. 15-16 emergency summit in London for leaders of the international Anglican Communion, of which the Episcopal Church is the U.S. branch.
That session involves the Anglicans' spiritual leader, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, and the 37 other heads of world Anglican branches. Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold of the Episcopal Church also is a member of that group and defends the decisions reached this summer in Minneapolis.
The American Anglican Council, sponsor of the Dallas meeting, says that U.S. conservatives are loyal to Anglican beliefs and the Christian tradition, so it's the Episcopal Church majority that has broken away into schism.
Griswold had tried to send four observers to the meeting but they were turned away. Bruce Mason, a council spokesman, said observers were not allowed at the meeting and registration was limited to those who signed the organization's statement of faith, called "A Place to Stand."
Founded in 1996, the AAC has emerged as the most important conservative Episcopal caucus. It reports a mailing list of 50,000 and support from about 500 congregations and 50 bishops. Spokesman Bruce Mason said "we probably represent a minority within the Episcopal Church but are part of the vast majority worldwide."
Jim Naughton, spokesman for the Diocese of Washington, D.C., and part of that liberal majority, estimates that, at most, 14 percent of the 2.3 million Episcopalians favor traditionalist protests.
Any Episcopal split would presumably be the biggest in the United States since 1976, when 100,000 members quit the Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod. The Episcopal Church also suffered 1970s walkouts, over women priests and revisions in liturgy, but they were minor by comparison.
The meeting's major action will be a petition to the London summit that's likely to ask the world leaders to provide special bishops to minister to conservatives within liberal U.S. dioceses, instead of their regular bishops.
The petition could also repeat an idea approved by recent conventions of the Fort Worth and Pittsburgh Dioceses, asking the London summit to declare the traditionalists to be the authentic U.S. branch of Anglicanism, in effect suspending or expelling the Episcopal Church.
Whatever emerges, "we need a safe place to be, safe from theological and spiritual harassment, harassment to careers, and danger to our property," said Canon David C. Anderson of Stone Mountain, Ga., AAC president.
He said AAC leaders will be holding a follow-up meeting sometime after the London summit.
A split is implied in such program topics here as "Talking Points for Answering Difficult Questions" and the legalistic "Constitutions, Canons, Pensions, Properties and Jurisdictions."
Who gets church property in a split could be among the toughest problems discussed in Dallas. The most radical position came from the Pittsburgh diocesan convention: a declaration that buildings now belong to each congregation, denying the national denomination's claim to control all property under 1979 legislation.
Said Roseberry: "We are prepared, and preparing, for what God is going to do next."
HEAVENS, NO!!!
. . . and if the 'phobes wanna take their marbles and go home, that's their loss.
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US millionaire bankrolls crusade against gay Anglican priests
America's religious right draws a line in the sand as Anglican primates meet in London
Jamie Doward
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer
Howard F. Ahmanson Jr does not like publicity. The fiftysomething multimillionaire, who lives in Newport Beach, California, is something of a recluse.
Calls to Ahmanson's multitude of companies and foundations requesting an interview go unreturned. Organisations which enjoy his largesse decline to talk about their benefactor.
What is known is that in the 1990s Ahmanson, whose family made a fortune in banking, subsidised a number of controversial right-wing causes. These include a magazine called the Chalcedon Report , which carried an article calling for gays to be stoned; a think-tank called the Claremont Institute which promoted a video in which Charlton Heston praises 'the God-fearing Caucasian middle class'; and a scientific body which rejects the theory of evolution.
Now Ahmanson has a new crusade, whose repercussions will be felt far beyond the United States. He is using his cash to stir up the most divisive row facing the Anglican Church, one that threatens to rip it apart when its leaders meet in London this week.
At its heart is the Church's stance on homosexuality, an issue that divides liberal and conservative. Somewhere in the middle is the Anglican Communion's spiritual leader, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams. Initial estimates suggest that the Communion's leaders are split down the middle, with some 20 of the 38 opposing two separate events that have occurred in North America.
The first was the decision to appoint the openly gay Canon Gene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire. The second was the decision by the diocese of New Westminster in Canada to bless same-sex unions.
The conservative wing of the 70 million-strong Anglican Communion were outraged, arguing that the two events ran contrary to the teachings of the Bible and the Communion's position on homosexuality agreed at the Lambeth Conference in 1998 - while the Church should welcome practising homosexuals into its congregations, there could be no ordination.
Leading the backlash is the American Anglican Council (AAC) based in Washington. Until recently the AAC's chief executive officer, David C. Anderson, ran St James Church in Newport Beach, California, where Ahmanson is often to be found in the congregation. The AAC's vice-president, Bruce Chapman, is president of the Discovery Institute, on whose board Ahmanson sits and which publishes research insisting Darwin was wrong.
AAC stalwart James M. Stanton, Bishop of Dallas, admits that Ahmanson gives $200,000 a year, although many observers believe it is considerably more. An internal memo from the vice-president makes fascinating reading. 'Fundraising is a critical topic ... But that topic itself is going to be affected directly by whether we have a clear, compelling forward strategy. I know that the Ahmansons are only going to be available to us if we have such a strategy and I think it would be wise to involve them directly in setting it as the options clarify.'
The AAC's influence is bolstered by its close links to another right-wing religious organisation, the Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD), which operates out of the same Washington office as the AAC, and on whose board Ahmanson's wife, Roberta, sits.
Between 1997 and 2002, the IRD, set up during the Cold War to fight the spread of communism, spent at least $2.5 million to monitor and resist the liberalisation of America's churches.
Much of the IRD's money comes from the conservative philanthropist Richard Scaife, heir to a banking and oil fortune and owner of the Greensburgh Tribune Review, the Pittsburgh newspaper that became the bane of President Bill Clinton's life, with a series of allegations surrounding the Whitewater affair.
Now the two organisations are on the warpath. Last week they assembled their troops for a giant rally in Dallas in anticipation of this week's meeting of Anglican leaders in London. The chief target was the liberal baby boomer generation of the Sixties whose religious leaders were accused of betraying successive generations.
At the end the conservatives had drawn a line in the sand. A carefully worded series of resolutions calls on the Primates of the Anglican Communion to discipline those bishops in the Episcopal Church 'who have departed from biblical faith and order' and 'guide the realignment of Anglicanism in North America'.
The sentiment is repeated to differing degrees around the world. Archbishop Peter Akinola, leader of the 17.5 million-strong Anglican Church in Nigeria, threatened to split from the Communion over the appointment of the openly gay but celibate Canon Jeffrey John as Bishop of Reading earlier this year. Amid the furore created by the conservatives, John stood down, prompting dismay among liberals.
The issue has now become as much about geography as sexuality. Canon Chris Sugden of the UK's Anglican Mainstream movement, which shares the AAC's concerns over homosexual clergy, said: 'The average Anglican comes from a poor culture, is under 30 and is black. For them the teachings of the Christian faith on issues such as the importance of the family have been a major source of help.
'Now they find some Christians in Western society are saying, "in our culture there's pressure such that we have to modify what the Church has understood for 2,000 years. If that will cause you trouble, we're sorry".'
To outsiders, the fact that the row within the Anglican Communion is being driven by tough-talking American conservatives with close links to ultra-right-wing millionaires might look unseemly. But those sympathetic to some of the AAC's opinions say this does not mean its views should be dismissed.
'These are Americans and it's the nature of their culture. The fact an organisation is bankrolled by wealthy individuals is not unique to the AAC or any other interest group. It's a case of a lot of pots and not many clean kettles,' said Dr Philip Giddings, one of those who successfully opposed the appointment of Canon John and who has friends within the AAC.
'I would expect to see a reaffirmation of the position of the Lambeth conference. That has been the overwhelming view of Anglicans. It would take unique circumstances for the Primates not to reaffirm it,' Giddings said.
This would represent a body blow to the liberal wing of the Communion and to many Anglicans in the UK, who are deeply dismayed at the signals this will send to wider society.
Richard Kirker, general-secretary of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, said: 'Is it just coincidence that the Churches that are most resistant to the full inclusion of lesbian and gay people are also the least open and democratic?'
Not to mention wealthy.
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One faith, two wings
What is happening this week?
The Archbishop of Canterbury has called an emergency meeting of the Anglican Communion, the 70 million-strong global network of Anglican Churches.
Why?
The Community is at war over the love that dare not speak its name in many corners of the global Church.
So who's upset?
Conservatives say ecclesiastical law has been breached. Liberals say modernise or the Church will lose followers. With both sides at each other's throats, Rowan Williams was left with little choice but to call an emergency meeting of Church leaders.
Can't they agree to disagree?
No. This is about much more than homosexuality; it is a battle for the whole direction of the Anglican Communion. The conservatives have huge support in the developing world. The liberals tend to be in the developed world and are a much looser network of groups. There is little room for consensus.
Does the row matter to non-Anglicans?
Many would argue that the Church continues to shape society's mind. There is also the Queen, who is Supreme Head of the Church.
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A Statement by the Primates of the Anglican Communion meeting in Lambeth Palace
October 15th and 16th, 2003.
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10/16/2003
[Episcopal News Service] The Primates of the Anglican Communion and the Moderators of the United Churches, meeting together at Lambeth Palace on the 15th and 16th October, 2003, wish to express our gratitude to the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, for calling us together in response to recent events in the Diocese of New Westminster, Canada, and the Episcopal Church (USA), and welcoming us into his home so that we might take counsel together, and to seek to discern, in an atmosphere of common prayer and worship, the will and guidance of the Holy Spirit for the common life of the thirty-eight provinces which constitute our Communion.
At a time of tension, we have struggled at great cost with the issues before us, but have also been renewed and strengthened in our Communion with one another through our worship and study of the Bible. This has led us into a deeper commitment to work together, and we affirm our pride in the Anglican inheritance of faith and order and our firm desire to remain part of a Communion, where what we hold in common is much greater than that which divides us in proclaiming Good News to the world.
At this time we feel the profound pain and uncertainty shared by others about our Christian discipleship in the light of controversial decisions by the Diocese of New Westminster to authorise a Public Rite of Blessing for those in committed same sex relationships, and by the 74th General Convention of the Episcopal Church (USA) to confirm the election of a priest in a committed same sex relationship to the office and work of a Bishop.
These actions threaten the unity of our own Communion as well as our relationships with other parts of Christ's Church, our mission and witness, and our relations with other faiths, in a world already confused in areas of sexuality, morality and theology, and polarise Christian opinion.
As Primates of our Communion seeking to exercise the "enhanced responsibility" entrusted to us by successive Lambeth Conferences, we re-affirm our common understanding of the centrality and authority of Scripture in determining the basis of our faith. Whilst we acknowledge a legitimate diversity of interpretation that arises in the Church, this diversity does not mean that some of us take the authority of Scripture more lightly than others. Nevertheless, each province needs to be aware of the possible effects of its interpretation of Scripture on the life of other provinces in the Communion. We commit ourselves afresh to mutual respect whilst seeking from the Lord a correct discernment of how God's Word speaks to us in our contemporary world.
We also re-affirm the resolutions made by the bishops of the Anglican Communion gathered at the Lambeth Conference in 1998 on issues of human sexuality as having moral force and commanding the respect of the Communion as its present position on these issues. We commend the report of that Conference in its entirety to all members of the Anglican Communion, valuing especially its emphasis on the need "to listen to the experience of homosexual persons, and ... to assure them that they are loved by God and that all baptised, believing and faithful persons, regardless of sexual orientation, are full members of the Body of Christ"; and its acknowledgement of the need for ongoing study on questions of human sexuality.
Therefore, as a body we deeply regret the actions of the Diocese of New Westminster and the Episcopal Church (USA) which appear to a number of provinces to have short-circuited that process, and could be perceived to alter unilaterally the teaching of the Anglican Communion on this issue. They do not. Whilst we recognise the juridical autonomy of each province in our Communion, the mutual interdependence of the provinces means that none has authority unilaterally to substitute an alternative teaching as if it were the teaching of the entire Anglican Communion.
To this extent, therefore, we must make clear that recent actions in New Westminster and in the Episcopal Church (USA) do not express the mind of our Communion as a whole, and these decisions jeopardise our sacramental fellowship with each other. We have a particular concern for those who in all conscience feel bound to dissent from the teaching and practice of their province in such matters. Whilst we reaffirm the teaching of successive Lambeth Conferences that bishops must respect the autonomy and territorial integrity of dioceses and provinces other than their own, we call on the provinces concerned to make adequate provision for episcopal oversight of dissenting minorities within their own area of pastoral care in consultation with the Archbishop of Canterbury on behalf of the Primates.
The Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church (USA) has explained to us the constitutional framework within which the election and confirmation of a new bishop in the Episcopal Church (USA) takes place. As Primates, it is not for us to pass judgement on the constitutional processes of another province. We recognise the sensitive balance between provincial autonomy and the expression of critical opinion by others on the internal actions of a province. Nevertheless, many Primates have pointed to the grave difficulties that this election has raised and will continue to raise. In most of our provinces the election of Canon Gene Robinson would not have been possible since his chosen lifestyle would give rise to a canonical impediment to his consecration as a bishop.
If his consecration proceeds, we recognise that we have reached a crucial and critical point in the life of the Anglican Communion and we have had to conclude that the future of the Communion itself will be put in jeopardy. In this case, the ministry of this one bishop will not be recognised by most of the Anglican world, and many provinces are likely to consider themselves to be out of Communion with the Episcopal Church (USA). This will tear the fabric of our Communion at its deepest level, and may lead to further division on this and further issues as provinces have to decide in consequence whether they can remain in communion with provinces that choose not to break communion with the Episcopal Church (USA).
Similar considerations apply to the situation pertaining in the Diocese of New Westminster.
We have noted that the Lambeth Conference 1998 requested the Archbishop of Canterbury to establish a commission to consider his own role in maintaining communion within and between provinces when grave difficulties arise[1]. We ask him now to establish such a commission, but that its remit be extended to include urgent and deep theological and legal reflection on the way in which the dangers we have identified at this meeting will have to be addressed. We request that such a commission complete its work, at least in relation to the issues raised at this meeting, within twelve months.
We urge our provinces not to act precipitately on these wider questions, but take time to share in this process of reflection and to consider their own constitutional requirements as individual provinces face up to potential realignments.
Questions of the parity of our canon law, and the nature of the relationship between the laws of our provinces with one another have also been raised. We encourage the Network of Legal Advisers established by the Anglican Consultative Council, meeting in Hong Kong in 2002, to bring to completion the work which they have already begun on this question.
It is clear that recent controversies have opened debates within the life of our Communion which will not be resolved until there has been a lengthy process of prayer, reflection and substantial work in and alongside the Commission which we have recommended. We pray that God will equip our Communion to be equal to the task and challenges which lie before it.
"Now I appeal to the elders of your community, as a fellow elder and a witness to Christ's sufferings, and as one who has shared in the glory to be revealed: look after the flock of God whose shepherd you are." (1 Peter 5.1,2a)
[1] In view of the very grave difficulties encountered in the internal affairs of some provinces of the Communion, [this conference] invites the Archbishop of Canterbury to appoint a commission to make recommendations to the Primates and the Anglican Consultative Council, as to the exceptional circumstances and conditions under which, and the means by which, it would be appropriate for him to exercise an extraordinary ministry of episcope (pastoral oversight), support and reconciliation with regard to the internal affairs of a province other than his own for the sake of maintaining communion with the said province and between the said province and the rest of the Anglican Communion. (IV.13.b)
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We commend the report of that Conference in its entirety to all members of the Anglican Communion, valuing especially its emphasis on the need "to listen to the experience of homosexual persons, and ... to assure them that they are loved by God and that all baptised, believing and faithful persons, regardless of sexual orientation, are full members of the Body of Christ"; and its acknowledgement of the need for ongoing study on questions of human sexuality.
Therefore, as a body we deeply regret the actions of the Diocese of New Westminster and the Episcopal Church (USA) which appear to a number of provinces to have short-circuited that process
It wasn't ECUSA that "short-circuited that process," it was those churches that absolutely refused to "listen to the experience of homosexual persons", or do anything either than treat them (and the churches, like ECUSA, that support them) like sh*t.
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: I can't believe that Frank Griswold or any other of the non-foaming-at-the-mouth primates would consent to a statement that included "In most of our provinces the election of Canon Gene Robinson would not have been possible since his chosen lifestyle would give rise to a canonical impediment to his consecration as a bishop."
) and finally 3) possibly the provinces (national churches) which do not break communion w/ ECUSA (and the Ang. Church of Canada). (Will the most Neaderthal bishops break communion w/ those who do not break communion w/ those who do not break communion w/ ECUSA? The mindset of the self-righteous is endlessly schismatic!
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The effects for our Anglican brothers and sisters of our action taken at General Convention giving consent to the ordination and consecration of the bishop coadjutor-elect of New Hampshire were described in very stark terms. Many spoke about ridicule they had received within their provinces and the threat to their ability to proclaim the gospel, particularly in places where other religions are dominant.
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Losing a Church, Keeping the Faith
By ANDREW SULLIVAN
Published: October 19, 2003
Last week, something quite banal happened at St. Benedict's Church in the Bronx. A gay couple were told they could no longer sing in the choir. Their sin was to have gotten a civil marriage license in Canada. One man had sung in the choir for 32 years; the other had joined the church 25 years ago. Both had received certificates from the church commending them for "noteworthy participation." But their marriage had gained publicity; it was even announced in The New York Times. This "scandal" led to their expulsion. The archbishop's spokesman explained that the priest had "an obligation" to exclude them.
In the grand scheme of things, this is a very small event. But it is a vivid example of why this last year has made the once difficult lives of gay Catholics close to impossible. The church has gone beyond its doctrinal opposition to emotional or sexual relationships between gay men and lesbians to an outspoken and increasingly shrill campaign against them. Gay relationships were described by the Vatican earlier this year as "evil." Gay couples who bring up children were described as committing the equivalent of "violence" against their own offspring. Gay men are being deterred from applying to seminaries and may soon be declared unfit for the priesthood, even though they commit to celibacy. The American Catholic church has endorsed a constitutional amendment that would strip gay couples of any civil benefits of any kind in the United States.
For the first time in my own life, I find myself unable to go to Mass. During the most heated bouts of rhetoric coming from the Vatican this summer, I felt tears of grief and anger welling up where once I had been able to contain them. Faith beyond resentment began to seem unreachable.
For some, the answer is as easy as it always has been. Leave, they say. The gay world looks at gay Catholics with a mixture of contempt and pity. The Catholic world looks at us as if we want to destroy an institution we simply want to belong to. So why not leave? In some ways, I suppose, I have. What was for almost 40 years a weekly church habit dried up this past year to close to nothing. Every time I walked into a church or close to one, the anger and hurt overwhelmed me. It was as if a dam of intellectual resistance to emotional distress finally burst.
But there was no comfort in this, no relief, no resolution. There is no ultimate meaning for me outside the Gospels, however hard I try to imagine it; no true solace but the Eucharist; no divine love outside of Christ and the church he guides. In that sense, I have not left the church because I cannot leave the church, no more than I can leave my family. Like many other gay Catholics, I love this church; for me, there is and never will be any other. But I realize I cannot participate in it any longer either. It would be an act of dishonesty to enable an institution that is now a major force for the obliteration of gay lives and loves; that covered up for so long the sexual abuse of children but uses the word "evil" for two gay people wanting to commit to each other for life.
I know what I am inside. I do not believe that my orientation is on a par with others' lapses into lust when they also have an option for sexual and emotional life that is blessed and celebrated by the church. I do not believe I am intrinsically sick or disordered, as the hierarchy teaches, although I am a sinner in many, many ways. I do not believe that the gift of human sexuality is always and everywhere evil outside of procreation. (Many heterosexual Catholics, of course, agree with me, but they can hide and pass in ways that gay Catholics cannot.) I believe that denying gay people any outlet for their deepest emotional needs is wrong. I think it slowly destroys people, hollows them out, alienates them finally from their very selves.
But I must also finally concede that this will not change as a matter of doctrine. That doctrine — never elaborated by Jesus — was constructed when gay people as we understand them today were not known to exist; but its authority will not change just because gay people now have the courage to explain who they are and how they feel. In fact, it seems as if the emergence of gay people into the light of the world has only intensified the church's resistance. That shift in the last few years from passive silence to active hostility is what makes the Vatican's current stance so distressing. Terrified of their own knowledge of the wide presence of closeted gay men in the priesthood, concerned that the sexual doctrines required of heterosexuals are under threat, the hierarchy has decided to draw the line at homosexuals. We have become the unwilling instruments of their need to reassert control.
In an appeal to the growing fundamentalism of the developing world, this is a shrewd strategy. In the global context, gays are easily expendable. But it is also a strikingly inhumane one. The current pope is obviously a deep and holy man; but that makes his hostility even more painful. He will send emissaries to terrorists, he will meet with a man who tried to assassinate him. But he has not and will not meet with openly gay Catholics. They are, to him, beneath dialogue. His message is unmistakable. Gay people are the last of the untouchables. We can exist in the church only by silence, by bearing false witness to who we are.
I was once more hopeful. I saw within the church's doctrines room for a humane view of homosexuality, a genuinely Catholic approach to including all nonprocreative people — the old, the infertile, the gay — in God's church. But I can see now that the dialogue is finally shutting down.
Perhaps a new pope will change things. But the odds are that hostility will get even worse. I revere those who can keep up the struggle within the channels of the church. I respect those who have left. But I am somewhere in between now.
There are moments in a spiritual life when the heart simply breaks. Some time in the last year, mine did. I can only pray that in some distant future, some other gay people not yet born will be able to come back to the church, to sing in the choir, and know that the only true scandal in the world is the scandal of God's love for his creation, all of it, all of us, in a church that may one day, finally, become home to us all.
Andrew Sullivan is a senior editor at The New Republic
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How can you kill people who killed people, to show that killing people is wrong?
I've kissed her best friend. I've reached into her best friend's pocket and fished around for keys. And I gave her best friend my number. I must be doing something totally, totally wrong... - TBSOL by Dreams
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[The Pope] will send emissaries to terrorists, he will meet with a man who tried to assassinate him. But he has not and will not meet with openly gay Catholics. They are, to him, beneath dialogue.
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Gay Episcopal bishop-elect responds to Anglican schism warning
ANNE SAUNDERS, Associated Press Writer Sunday, October 19, 2003
(10-19) 23:33 PDT MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) --
The Rev. V. Gene Robinson, the Episcopal Church's first openly gay bishop-elect, told parishioners his election is a sign of a changing church, one that will continue even if he resigns.
"If I step down, do you really think other qualified gays and lesbians wouldn't be elected?" he asked about 40 people during a religious education meeting Sunday at Grace Church. "My standing down isn't going to make it all go away."
His comment was prompted by a suggestion from a parishioner that Robinson reconsider accepting the bishop's role because of the turmoil it has caused and the threat it poses to the international church.
"I personally think it's not worth losing the family," Paul Apple, of Mont Vernon said.
Outraged conservatives have threatened to divide the Episcopal Church in the United States and the worldwide Anglican Communion of which it is part.
"I don't want anyone to leave the church, and I don't like being thought of as the reason they leave the church," said Robinson, 56.
But he said the vigorous and sometimes bitter church debate over homosexuality would continue whether or not he left the stage.
"It's not all going to go back to being nice and pretty again. It's going to be messy for a while," he said. "This is not our church to win or lose. It's God's church."
Robinson predicted the church ultimately will survive the turmoil.
"I've been here an hour and look! The roof's still on. I think it will calm down when people see not a lot has changed," he said.
But Apple's question prompted Robinson to talk about his struggles to discern God's will.
"I agonize about this all the time. This is one of the hardest things I'll ever do," Robinson said. "I do have this sense I'm supposed to go forward, and I do feel that's coming from God and not my own ego. But I don't know."
"If I'm wrong, God help me -- and God will help me," he said.
Robinson was elected by New Hampshire clergy and parishioners in June and confirmed by the national Episcopal Church in August. He is scheduled to be consecrated as bishop of New Hampshire in two weeks.
At an emergency meeting in London last week, Anglican leaders warned that if Robinson is consecrated, "the future of the Communion itself will be put in jeopardy." However, they acknowledged that each province has the right to choose its own leaders.
Robinson remained optimistic, saying the church has weathered similar crises in the past. Much of the Anglican Communion still does not recognize the ordination of women, he said, and yet the Communion holds together, he said.
Asked by one parishioner to explain what's behind the anger over his election, Robinson said he believed it was a sign that patriarchy is ending in the church as women, people of color and gays and lesbians are more fully included.
Conservative Episcopalians in the United States have said they plan to form an independent network of churches opposed to Robinson's elevation and the blessing of same-sex unions in some dioceses.
Anglican leaders, representing 77 million members worldwide, have called homosexuality "contrary to Scripture." Robinson and his supporters say that is outweighed by the Scripture's call for love and acceptance of all.
Scripture does not address faithful, committed relationships between members of the same sex, Robinson said. The concept didn't exist back then. What it does condemn is promiscuity and abusive relationships, he said.
Robinson has lived openly for years with partner Mark Andrew, who was applauded by the congregation when he was introduced Sunday. Robinson is widely known and admired in the state, where he has been assistant to the retiring bishop for years.
At the end of a second question and answer session Sunday, Robinson received a standing ovation from parishioners.
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Gay bishop consecrated in US
Gene Robinson has been consecrated the first openly gay Anglican bishop at a ceremony in the American state of New Hampshire.
But the election of Bishop Robinson - who has lived with his male partner for 15 years - threatens to create a permanent schism within the US Episcopal Church and in the worldwide Anglican communion.
Three church members were given the opportunity to voice their objections during the ceremony and one woman said the consecration would not only rupture the Anglican community but, "break God's heart".
Within minutes of the service ending, the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams - spiritual head of the Anglican Church - said the divisions arising in the global Anglican Communion following the consecration were "a matter of deep regret".
But the archbishop's carefully worded statement avoided direct criticism or endorsement of the consecration which he said had been made "in good faith".
"The effects of this upon the ministry and witness of the overwhelming majority of Anglicans particularly in the non-western world have to be confronted with honesty," he added.
The consecration service, at a specially converted ice-hockey arena in the town of Durham, was held amid tight security, with police on rooftops and in heavy presence on the street.
About 4,000 people, including 50 American bishops, as well as Bishop Robinson's family and parishioners, attended the colourful, but controversial ceremony.
There was an impassioned standing ovation in the arena before he was presented with brightly coloured vestments by members of his family, including his mother and father.
And then, his voice cracked with emotion, he spoke, saying "You cannot imagine what an honour it is for you to have called me."
'Symbol of unity'
Earlier, when Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold asked the congregation: "If any of you know any reason why we should not proceed, let it be made known," three church members stepped forward to air their objections.
One, Earl Fox from Pittsburgh, began to graphically list homosexual practices but was told not to go into detail.
Assistant Bishop David Bean of Albany, New York, who spoke on behalf of a group of dissenting US and Canadian bishops, said: "The ministry of this one bishop will not be recognised by most Anglicans in the world."
But the consecration sermon by New Hampshire's retiring Bishop Douglas Thunder was interrupted twice by vigorous applause as he defended Robinson.
Bishop Robinson "will stand as a symbol of the unity of the church in a way none of the rest of us can", he said
Outside, protesters and supporters of Canon Robinson faced each other off, kept apart by mounted police, while a separate service for those against the consecration took place in a church in another part of the town.
Some traditionalists, who view homosexuality as a violation of the teachings of the Bible, plan to ask the spiritual leader of the world's Anglican Christians, Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams, for permission to split from the Church.
But, despite the deep divisions, Dr Williams has predicted the rift will eventually heal.
"God will still teach us in our separateness; and one day we shall be led, in both thankfulness and repentance, to share with one another what we have learned apart," he said before the ceremony.
'At peace'
World Anglican leaders warned last month that the canon's consecration would lead to further division and could even split the entire Church.
Archbishop Peter Aioli [GG: that's a BBC typo, it's "Akinola"], the primate of the Nigerian Church, the largest in the Anglican community, called Gene Robinson's sexuality an abomination.
But Canon Robinson told the BBC he felt calm and at peace and he was not concerned that he will not be widely accepted as a bishop abroad.
"Well, it makes me feel like I'm in very good company because most of the bishops around the world wouldn't recognise the ministries or ordinations of our women priests and our women bishops.
"The other fact is that I'm not welcome now as an openly gay priest in most of those places," he said.
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Traditional marriage in America comes to an end
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Thousands of formerly ardent Christians filed for divorce
this morning, as others raped their children and household
pets, after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled
that gay people are citizens too.
"My marriage is over," spoke one upset Christian as he
dry-humped the fender of a parked car. "My marriage isn't
worth anything," he insisted. "I feel no connection to my wife
and children and I just want to do whatever I please, when it
pleases me to do it." With that he turned to a passing elderly
woman and shouted for her to reveal her "tits."
This same scene is being repeated over & over again, on
every street in every city & town in America. Once devoted
parents & spouses, America's Christians are denouncing any
bonds between themselves and their families as they embark
on a binge of sex, drugs and socialism.
"We warned you that this would happen," insisted one anti
human rights activist. "We told you that gay citizens enjoying
equal rights would destroy marriage, the family and even
Christianity itself. And now it's happened," he said. "You
should have listened to us. If you had, I wouldn't of had to
have sex with three different strange men in a public restroom
this morning."
The fallout from today's decision is enormous and far reaching.
So big is the change that swept America this morning that it may
be days before a true accounting of the damage is complete. As
things stand, one uncomfirmed report has Bob Jones Jr., of Bob
Jones University, defecating on his bible upon hearing the news,
while other witnesses have come forward to report that they had
seen Pat Robertson, former leader of the Christian Coalition and
the host of the 700 club, enjoying sex with a chair.
Congress was quick to pass an appropriations bill funding the
thousands of new orphanages needed to care for the abandoned
children. It is hoped that this is only a temporary measure and
that Christians will yet accept the financial reponsibility for their
families, even if they no longer love them and insist on
masturbating in public.
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to be honest I don't care if homosexuality or CD,TG or any other so called alternative life style is a sin.
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Because ya know according to scripture it is also a sin to wear blended fabric's and to eat lobster (among other's) - where is the outrage to this?
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I've kissed her best friend. I've reached into her best friend's pocket and fished around for keys. And I gave her best friend my number. I must be doing something totally, totally wrong... - TBSOL by Dreams
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I myself am very tired of the homo.sex.uality is a sin thing. Believer or not, I have had too many righteous folk in my day yell, spit, and otherwise try to put me in my place when I was younger to be able to say as a W.iccan that these people's opnion's have had no effect on me.
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SOULFORCE TO ‘SHUT DOWN’ THE CHURCH TRIAL OF UNITED METHODIST MINISTER REV. KAREN DAMMANN IN AN ACT OF NONVIOLENT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
Trial near Seattle is “Blatant Hypocrisy” and an “Act of Spiritual Violence” against all GLBT people.
Press Release, March 1, 2004
For Immediate Release
Contact: Laura Montgomery Rutt
Cell: 717-278-0592 Laura@soulforce.org
(Lynchburg, VA) – On March 17, 2004, in Bothell WA, the United Methodist Church will hold a church trial against Rev. Karen Dammann, an openly lesbian pastor in the Seattle area, who admitted to church leaders that she is in a covenantal relationship with another woman, and they are raising a child together. Rev. Dammann is being charged with violating the United Methodist Book of Discipline because she is a “self-avowed practicing homosexual.”
Soulforce, a national interfaith movement committed to ending spiritual violence perpetuated by religious policies and teachings against gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, is planning a nonviolent civil disobedience prior to the start of the trial.
The trial takes place at Bothell United Methodist Church, 18515 92nd NE, in Bothell, WA (near Seattle). Jury selection is scheduled to begin at 9:30am, but Soulforce will be blocking the entrance of the church to prevent jurors and church officials from entering. A press conference and civil disobedience is scheduled to begin at 8:45am in front of the church.
“It is so heartbreaking that the United Methodist Church, my church, is sending a message to the world that, ‘if you are gay or lesbian, and you lie about who you are and who you love, you can serve in silence, but if you tell the truth, we are going to punish you,’” declared Marylee Fithian, co-chair of the Soulforce United Methodist Denominational Team from California. “We feel we have no choice but to try to prevent the trial from taking place.”
Those taking part in the civil disobedience are required to participate in a nonviolence training to be held the night before at 6pm at the IUOE Local 302 Union Hall, 18701 120th Ave. NE, in Bothell. Soulforce emphasizes that it teaches and employs the nonviolent principles of Gandhi and King to the liberation of sexual minorities.
“It is not a crime to admit to being in a committed relationship. It is not a sin to be homosexual. God’s greatest commandment is to “love one another,” said Rev. Mel White, founder of Soulforce, Inc. “We believe that the crime here is being committed by the United Methodist Church, because the church is denying the worth and dignity of Karen Dammann and all of God’s gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people.”
Rev. White is available for phone interviews any time, and will be available for in-person interviews in the Seattle area beginning March 12, 2004. Interviews can be arranged by calling 717-278-0592.
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Methodists Put Minister on Trial for Declaring Herself a Lesbian
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: March 18, 2004
OTHELL, Wash., March 17 — The Rev. Karen Dammann, a United Methodist minister, went on trial in a church here on Wednesday for openly declaring that she is in a lesbian relationship.
The judge is a retired bishop, the jurors 13 of her fellow ministers. She is charged with violating church law by living in a homosexual relationship, which United Methodist Church law says is "incompatible with Christian teachings."
But this is a church at war with itself, enforcing a law that many of its own clerics and members here say they find immoral and un-Christian. Ms. Dammann's defense lawyer said in opening arguments that he would use Scripture and the church's own Book of Discipline to argue that her prosecution is at odds with the church's teaching and heritage.
The lawyer, the Rev. Robert C. Ward, a retired minister from Tacoma, said: "Karen has chosen not to live the lie. She has invited the United Methodist Church to come out of the closet with her and live a life of open honesty."
When a grim Ms. Dammann arrived at the church just northeast of Seattle on Wednesday with her partner and their young son at her side, she was hugged by supportive clergy members, praised by the bishop who had pressed the charges against her and hailed as a hero by dozens of hymn-singing protesters who made a show of blocking the door of the church to prevent the trial from going forward.
Thirty-three protesters were politely arrested and put on a bus while two men shouted that homosexuality is a sin that God will punish.
The trial poses a dilemma for the Methodist Church in the Pacific Northwest region, which has a more liberal stance on homosexuality than many other regions of the church. Two times in the last four years, clergy panels here decided to dismiss the charges against Ms. Dammann. Yet, this trial is going ahead on the insistence of the church's Judicial Council, the equivalent of its Supreme Court.
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I might say that the very public and open nature of our [ECUSA's] actions is a factor here. This is both healthy and problematic. Not long ago I was at a meeting in Spain which included Christians from a number of ecclesial communities, one of which had made strongly critical statements about the New Hampshire consecration. I had a long conversation with the bishop representing that church, who castigated me for having allowed the ordination of Gene Robinson to occur. Once he had delivered himself of his anger he surprised me by saying that there were indeed homosexual clergy and bishops in his church, but that it was looked upon as “human weakness” and a private matter between themselves and their spiritual fathers. Only if their homosexuality became public was the church obliged to intervene. I said to him that though I could appreciate capitulation to “human weakness” I was concerned that he was describing a climate of secrecy, and a practice that was tolerated that stood at variance with the public position of the church.
Was that not a dishonest stance? Would it not be far more helpful and truthful, albeit difficult, to deal openly with the reality which heretofore has remained hidden? Is not secrecy the Devil’s playground?
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Gay-Rights Activists Denied Communion
By MIKE COLIAS, Associated Press Writer
CHICAGO - Parishioners who wore rainbow-colored sashes to Mass in support of gays and lesbians were denied communion in Chicago, while laymen in Minnesota tried to prevent gay Roman Catholics from getting the sacrament.       
Priests at Holy Name Cathedral in Chicago refused to give the Eucharist to about 10 people wearing the sashes at Sunday Mass. One priest shook each person's hand; another made the sign of the cross on their foreheads.
"The priest told me you cannot receive communion if you're wearing a sash, as per the Cardinal's direction," said James Luxton, a Chicago member of the Rainbow Sash Movement, an organization of Catholic gay-rights supporters with chapters around the country.
An internal memo from Chicago Cardinal Francis George that became public last week instructed priests not to give communion to people wearing the sashes, which the group's members wear every year for Pentecost. The memo says the sashes are a symbol of opposition to the church's doctrine on homosexuality and exploit the communion ritual.
"The Rainbow Sash movement wants its members to be fully accepted by the Church not on the same conditions as any Catholic but precisely as gay," George wrote. "With this comes the requirement that the Church change her moral teaching."
Rainbow Sash Movement spokesman Joe Murray was among those denied communion in Chicago. He said members wearing the sashes should be seen no differently than a uniformed police officer or Boy Scout seeking communion.
"What we saw today in the cathedral is discrimination at the Eucharistic table, and that shouldn't be happening," Murray said. Those denied communion returned to their pews, but stood while the rest of the congregation knelt.
The movement, which started about five years ago in England, also has members in Dallas, New Orleans, New York and Rochester, N.Y.
In St. Paul, Minn., people wearing the rainbow-colored sashes were given communion Sunday despite protests from some parishioners who kneeled in front of the altar blocking their way.
The Rev. Michael Skluzacek said in a written statement that both sides were "mistakenly using the Mass and the Eucharist to make their own personal statements."
Brian McNeill, organizer of the Rainbow Sash Alliance of the Twin Cities, said the local group has worn the sashes every Pentecost at St. Paul Cathedral since 2001, but the group had never experienced such a confrontation.
A Vatican doctrinal decree last year directed at Catholic politicians said a well-formed conscience forbids support for any law that contradicts "fundamental" morality, with abortion listed first among relevant issues. A second Vatican statement said it is "gravely immoral" not to oppose legalization of same-sex unions.
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Associated Press Writer Elizabeth Dunbar in St. Paul, Minn., contributed to this report.
This story could just have easily gone on the Same-Sex Marriage Thread (except for the 'phobic quotes. Fie on them!
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New rites for Vt. civil unions
Episcopal bishop sees three-year trial period
By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff | June 18, 2004
In a move that is likely to further inflame tensions in the global Anglican Communion, the Episcopal bishop of Vermont today will introduce two new rites, very similar to the liturgy for Episcopal weddings, for priests to use while presiding at civil unions of gays and lesbians.
Episcopal priests in Vermont have already been quietly solemnizing and blessing civil unions for four years, since the state legalized them for same-sex couples. But in introducing standardized rites -- a symbolically significant step in a highly liturgical church -- the Vermont diocese is signalling it fully endorses same-sex relationships.
''The commitment we are asking of persons who are entering into holy unions is of the same nature as the commitment we are asking of couples who are entering holy matrimony," Vermont Bishop Thomas Clark Ely said in a telephone interview from the diocesan headquarters in Burlington. ''These relationships are expressive of God's love . . . and the church should be willing to recognize and embrace these loving and committed relationships."
Ely said the rites will be used on a trial basis and will be evaluated annually for three years.
The action by the Diocese of Vermont comes as the global Anglican Communion, and its American province, the Episcopal Church USA, are riven by controversies over homosexuality, many playing out in New England. Last summer, the Diocese of New Hampshire elected a gay priest as its bishop; now the dioceses of Massachusetts and Western Massachusetts are grappling with how to respond to the legalization of same-sex marriage in this state.
A global commission, appointed by Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, this week was meeting in North Carolina as it examines the impact of the controversies on the 70 million member Anglican Communion.
Ely, who said he has blessed the civil union of a gay Episcopal priest, said the Anglican Communion needs to recognize the ''context" in which Episcopalians live, and that in Vermont, that context is that civil unions for gays and lesbians have been legal for four years, and many gays and lesbians are active participants in the Episcopal Church. The lead plaintiff in the case that led to the creation of civil unions in Vermont is a lay Episcopalian who now serves as senior warden at the diocesan cathedral; the state representative who headed the legislative committee that oversaw the creation of civil unions is also an Episcopalian and now the chancellor of the Vermont diocese; and the Episcopal bishop at the time testified in favor of civil unions.
''I'm hoping that the local context in which we're doing our pastoral work is recognized -- the context in Vermont is very different than the context in Nigeria, and I wouldn't presume to understand the cultural context of Nigeria, but I would respect the local culture and context in which that diocese operates," Ely said
Page 2 of 2 -- Nigeria, with an estimated 15 million Anglicans, has more Anglican adherents than any other nation, and the Anglican primate there has been an outspoken critic of homosexuality and gay relationships. The Episcopal Church USA has 2.3 million members, including 8,700 in Vermont.
''Vermont has had four years [of civil unions], and Vermont hasn't fallen off the map," Ely said. ''I believe that we're in a better place because of our capacity to be able to affirm the loving, committed relationships of gay and lesbian people, and because those couples enjoy the legal rights that are so desperately needed for them."
Because the decision by Vermont is to be announced today, there has been little reaction thus far. But, told of the planned action by a reporter, the New England head of an evolving national coalition of conservative Episcopalians expressed dismay.
''It's a very destructive act in terms of the traditional doctrine of marriage, and the status of the whole Anglican Communion," said the Rev. William L. Murdoch, who is rector of All Saints Church in West Newbury and who serves as dean of the Northeast convocation of the Anglican Communion Network. ''It is contrary to the wishes of the archbishop of Canterbury, the primates, and the global leadership of the church, and it shows a disregard for the catholicity of the global church."
Ely said dissent in Vermont over the liberal movement of the national church has been minimal -- he said no parishes in Vermont have asked to affiliate with the Anglican Communion Network or have asked for supervision by a conservative bishop. He said he expected ''a few" priests in Vermont would decline to officiate at civil unions for same-sex couples and that clergy would not be required to do so.
The situation in Vermont is unique because civil unions are legal there, but many Episcopal dioceses around the country are struggling with whether and how to bless same-sex couples. Priests in Vermont can sign the state documents couples use to form civil unions, a contrast to Massachusetts, where same-sex marriage is legal but there are no civil unions, and where the bishop has asked Episcopal priests not to sign marriage licenses.
Although Massachusetts Bishop M. Thomas Shaw has barred priests from solemnizing same-sex marriages, he has authorized the blessing of married same-sex couples so long as the actual signing of the marriage license is done by someone other than an Episcopal priest. Ely said he agrees with Shaw's decision, and that there is no question the Episcopal church's canons bar same-sex marriage.
Last summer, the Episcopal Church's general convention passed a resolution declaring that ''local faith communities are operating within the bounds of our common life as they explore and experience liturgies celebrating and blessing same-sex unions," and dioceses in Delaware, Nevada, New Hampshire, and Washington, D.C., have official policies allowing the blessing of same-sex couples, according to Integrity USA, an organization that advocates for gay and lesbian Episcopalians.
In Vermont, Ely plans to ask priests to use essentially the same process for uniting gay couples as they use for straight couples -- requiring at least one partner to be a baptized Christian, asking couples to go through relationship counseling before being blessed, and imposing the same restrictions on people who seek a second civil union after a first one breaks up as the church places on couples who seek to remarry after a divorce.
Gay and lesbian couples will be asked to sign a ''declaration of intention" that is nearly identical to the declaration used by heterosexual couples getting married in an Episcopal Church. In the declaration, the same-sex couples will state, ''We believe that the union of two partners is intended by God for their mutual joy, for the encouragement and support given one another in daily life and changing circumstances, for the deepening of faith as they experience God's love in their love for one another, and (if it may be) the physical and spiritual nurture of children."
Priests will then solemnize the civil unions and pronounce, ''In exchanging vows of love, support and fidelity, N and N are now joined in holy and civil union, as celebrated by this community of faith, and as recognized by the State of Vermont. May the grace of God be with them for ever."
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