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Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby Gatito Grande » Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:52 pm

On a humorous note . . .



www.villagevoice.com/issu...sutton.php



GG After a week like this last one, we could all use a larf! :lol Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby maudmac » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:52 am

Oooh! I hope this show airs!



Gay Acts Seek To Break Country Music Barrier
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America's country music scene isn't exactly known for its gay artists, but a colorful pack of wanna-be stars pulled out their best rustic twangs and wailing guitars yesterday (Aug. 7) to try to change all that. Scores of country music hopefuls auditioned in New York for what is being billed as a television show to pick an openly gay country music star from about 50 contestants.



The musicians -- most of whom wore jeans and spit-polished boots -- wailed through Willie Nelson songs, crooned like Lyle Lovett and belted out ballads like Garth Brooks. Livening up the day were the Dixie Chicks With Dicks -- singing drag queens in frilly petticoats and wigs big enough to make Dolly Parton envious.



Despite the gags and quips, most were serious musicians looking for a break, said Darren McDonnell of Baltimore. "I hope it's not some kind of a joke. It could open up a lot of doors," he said, waiting on line. "At the same time, it's a risk for everyone here," he added, calling the country music industry "homophobic."



Mark Taylor, who works in the design industry in Philadelphia but auditioned in cowboy regalia, said appearing on the show could be a bigger risk when it comes to facing his conservative family. "If I make it onto the show, this will be the most silent Christmas we've ever had," he joked.



Producer Larry Dvoskin, who has not found a network to run the show tentatively called "America Pride," declared himself pleased at the quality of talent. Final choices will be made in the coming months, he said.



With the success of gay-themed television shows, this one could be well-timed, said Scott Seomin, entertainment media director for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, a non-profit media watchdog.



"The music industry with rare exception has been a bastion for homophobia, and the closet is still a place that artists who are gay are told to remain by record label executives, managers and publicity agents," he said.



Singer Matt Alber, who traveled across the country from San Francisco to audition, said, "Country music record companies are scared America won't like a gay artist. I think it's ridiculous. Don't they just want to hear really great songs? I hope this show will show America there's nothing to be afraid of."





COPYRIGHT: (c) Reuters 2003. All rights reserved.
My initial reaction (after the "Oooh!") was, "Eh, I don't know..." Country fans don't tend toward tolerance all that much. I know this well. But, you know what? There really are a whole lot of folks who like country (or some of it, at least) who are plenty open-minded. Me, for instance. I know I'm not alone. So, even if whoever wins this doesn't set country on fire, it's still a good, good thing. And definitely something I will watch, if it airs.


Green green grass surrounding me / Wind is blowing through the trees / Sun is bright and I feel happy -- Shonen Knife

maudmac
 


Re: GLBT News: not there yet.

Postby The Shadowcat » Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:08 am

Holley, I have to say it... That's the scariest reality show I've heard of yet. :whistle <- whistle? more like puffpuffpass.

The Shadowcat
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby Warduke » Mon Aug 11, 2003 9:46 am

Holley, I saw this the other day but I forgot to mention it in.


Lil' Trevor : Always the life of the party.

Warduke
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:16 pm

Oh it seems like it's all gay men, :cry oh well. Hmm, I think from the looks of those pictures, some people are serious and some people aer treating it like a joke. Looks like the dixie chicks with dicks were a big hit!

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-Willie Wonka

xita
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby Gatito Grande » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:10 pm

Well, I guess a gay male country star would be more of a novelty.



GG Not that k.d. lang :bow has been very welcome in Nashville since she came Out out. It's their loss! :miff Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby maudmac » Mon Aug 11, 2003 5:01 pm

All...men...



Huh.



What, was that a rule or something? That it was only for men?



Okay, well, yay anyway, but I'm getting really bored really quickly with all these shows about the men. Can we please have some lesbians now? We actually do exist. Thanks. :sigh


Green green grass surrounding me / Wind is blowing through the trees / Sun is bright and I feel happy -- Shonen Knife

maudmac
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:09 pm

Did you read my post in the cliche thread? According to the Entertainment Weekly, we are out! Lesbian Chic is over! We have to tough it out till trendy again.

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-Willie Wonka

xita
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby Diebrock » Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:30 am

story.news.yahoo.com...pinnacleofevolution

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Scientist calls gay people 'pinnacle of evolution'



SUMMARY: While conservative groups dismiss homosexuality as "unnatural," a leading zoologist has said gay people could be seen as the "pinnacle of evolution."



At a time when religious and conservative right-wing groups are attempting to dismiss homosexuality as "unnatural," a leading zoologist has said gay people could be seen as the "pinnacle of evolution."



Speaking at the Edinburgh Book Festival, Clive Bromhall said that humankind's evolution has resulted in our present state of "infantilism," in which we break the primate mold by being playful, creative and childlike right into adulthood.



"From men's obsession with swollen breasts to our constant search for a pseudoparental God, everything about the human species is infantile," Bromhall said in a lecture.



"Like baby chimps, we have soft, downy bodies, flat faces and large, rounded heads. Like them, we too want to be kissed, cuddled and stroked; we remain playful, compliant and comparatively mild-mannered for the whole of our lives," he added.



Bromhall claims that infantilism is rejected by straight people as they age -- and that by remaining in same-sex relationships, gay men and women are actually displaying superiority over their peers.



"We've known for years that homosexuality is linked to a playful, creative character," he said.



"Homosexuals excel as artists, thespians and other playful, mimetic professions. Being playful is at the heart of being human. It's something that should be celebrated. You could say that homosexuals are at the pinnacle of human evolution."



Bromhall was speaking to promote his new book "The Eternal Child" at the festival.






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Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:38 am

I was all yay article then as I read I realized we were getting called infantile, though I am not sure this guy thinks it is an insult. Weird theories.

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-Willie Wonka

xita
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby Kalita » Sat Aug 16, 2003 12:47 pm

I'm hot and cold on that one myself. I like the general concept, but I think the guy is too wraped in his theories to word it as balanced as he could have.



Still, he's on our side, so I can't blame him too much.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has. "

- Margaret Mead

Kalita
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby Gatito Grande » Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:09 pm

Yeah, I'd really have to read his argument in full to know what to make of it. The argument that homosexuality is infantile *has* been used in the past to condemn it (Freud's whole "immature fixation theory" BS).



I could (w/ no bias whatsoever ;) ) buy into the idea that homosexuality is the pinnacle of evolution :pride : a distinct biologically-defined group for whom reproduction is a choice, not a sexual instinct, could indicate that Homo sapiens, as a species, has fully "arrived" to a state of environmental security.



GG Now, if we humans can just not wipe out all other species! :miff Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby Warduke » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:32 am

Found this at Yahoo



Quote:
Davis to Sign Bill for Domestic Partners



SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Embattled Gov. Gray Davis announced Saturday he would sign legislation giving domestic partners most of the same legal rights that married couples have.



The bill has passed the state Assembly and is scheduled to be considered Monday by the Senate Appropriations Committee.



Davis usually doesn't indicate how he feels about legislation before it reaches his desk, but he's done so for a number of bills recently, including measures dealing with access to abortion and driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants.



Aides say the announcements have nothing to do with Davis' efforts to fend off a recall attempt.



Davis said the legislation drafted by Democratic Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg helps ensure "fairness for all Californians."



"As governor I will continue to do everything within my power to honor the dignity, humanity and privacy of every Californian regardless of their ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender or sexual orientation," Davis said.



The domestic partners bill would, among other things, allow domestic partners to file joint state income tax returns and give them the same tax exemptions enjoyed by married couples.



It would also give them the same rights as married couples regarding the acquisition, transfer and sharing of property, health insurance and pension coverage and collection of government benefits, including public assistance.



"When this bill is signed it will be a truly historic day for everyone who supports civil rights," said Geoffrey Kors, executive director of Equality California, a gay rights group.



Lil' Trevor : Always the life of the party.

Warduke
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby xita » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:10 pm

Quote:


The domestic partners bill would, among other things, allow domestic partners to file joint state income tax returns and give them the same tax exemptions enjoyed by married couples.






You know that's a big deal because for instance I am a teacher and the local district offers dosmestic partner health benefits. However, you have to pay the taxes for them so it ends up costing the same as if you were paying health insurance for your partner. This would really be a true benefit and make it worth it when becoming domestic partners. Interesting.

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"The suspense is terrible. I hope it'll last."


-Willie Wonka

xita
 


Canadian same-sex marriage legislation

Postby Patches » Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:14 pm

Received this e-mail this afternoon from EGALE - please circulate to anyone you know in Canada and ask that they, PLEASE, call or fax MP's showing support for same-sex marriage. I'd would kill me to have come so far, only to lose out because we couldn't get the people who support us to just say something.



Cheers!!

Patches

************



EGALE: URGENT ACTION ALERT:



TIME TO E-MAIL MPs!



As you are probably aware, MPs are being flooded with anti-gay messages, urging them to defeat the same-sex marriage legislation. Even supportive MPs are expressing concern that they desperately need to hear from Canadians in favour of equal marriage.



Last week we asked you to Phone or Fax your MP. Please don't forget to do that! Go to http://www.egale.ca/equalmarriage.asp and see the August Action Alert for more info.



Egale has also now set up an e-mail distribution system which enables you to send a message to ALL MPs at once!



Liberal MPs are meeting THIS WEEK to discuss the issue. We urgently need you to take a moment to e-mail your support for equal marriage to:



mp@egale.ca



You can address your message "Dear MP".



Urge MPs to support equal marriage for same-sex couples without compromise. Let them know that anything less than full equality perpetuates discrimination. The more personal you can make it the better, but your message needn't be lengthy - the main thing is to act.



We need to counter the voices of intolerance. Please act NOW, and please forward this message to everyone you know.



Together we can make a difference!



Laurie Arron

Director of Advocacy

Egale Canada

1-888-204-7777

egale.canada@egale.ca



You know I've heard about people like me. But I never made the connection. They walk one road to set them free, And find they've gone the wrong direction. But there's no need for turning back 'cause all roads lead to where I stand. And I believe I'll walk them all No matter what I may have planned

Patches
 


Re: Canadian same-sex marriage legislation

Postby Gatito Grande » Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:53 pm

Patches, would it be at all appropriate or worthwhile for non-Canadian Kittens to email Canadian MPs and tempt them w/ our vacation dollars (pounds, euros, etc.)?



GG This is so important, and I just wanna do *something* to help. :pride Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Re: GLBT News

Postby Kalita » Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:14 pm

GG: It's certainly worth a shot, though I don't know which MP in particular you should contact...



For the Canadians: I posted this a page or two back, but it bears repeating - if you need your MP's address, go here.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has. "

- Margaret Mead

Kalita
 


Re: Canadian same-sex marriage legislation

Postby Gatito Grande » Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:03 pm

Well, I *did* just send an email, to the "mp@egale.ca" addy, which Patches listed. If Egale doesn't forward it to all of 'em, maybe they'll send it where it's needed most (or perhaps to the MPs closest to me, in Ontario).



Here's the text I sent. I encourage all Kittens to send something like it---it couldn't hurt.



Quote:
Dear MP,



I am an American from the border state of Michigan. I have made many trips to your beautiful nation, and would like to do so in the future.



It is of great interest to me, in considering my vacation plans, the proposed Canadian law for marriage equality. Such equality would be a MAJOR PLUS on your part, to influence me to come and spend money in Canada. I know that I am not alone among Americans, in regarding Canadian marriage equality so favorably---indeed, the recent court decision in Ontario has already brought a major influx of tourism from abroad. This could be extended nation-wide . . . or could collapse, with a reversion to discrimination. Particularly in this economy, not something I would think you would fancy.



Beyond the question of dollars (Canadian or U.S.), there *is* the question of morality: equality under the law has been a great credit to Canada, and something that, in retrospect, will be looked upon with universal favor (like the U.S. Declaration of Independence, or the UN Charter of Human Rights).



I congratulate Canada for coming this far in the march for human rights. Please enshrine marriage equality in law, and earn the eventual thanks of a grateful planet (and the *immediate* influx of increased foreign spending).



Sincerely,






GG I used the old "carrot/stick" technique on the issue of $$$---w/ a pinch of morality so it's not *total* bribery! ;) Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby yana » Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:32 pm

Hm. I think this is the right place to post this.



Well, not that this is a surprise (and it is a survey, so probably not very accurate), but it's depressing nonetheless:



Majority Favors Law Against Gay Marriage, article on Yahoo News.



Yana

"We are one, the gurus say. Aye -- I might agree -- but one what?" -- Edward Abbey

yana
 


Alternet: A Queer Girl's Top 10 Gay Myths

Postby Ben Varkentine » Mon Aug 25, 2003 11:48 am

Thought I'd post a link to this article I found on Alternet this morning, in the hope that it might make some of you at least smile ruefully.



Here's an excerpt, followed by a link to the whole thing.



"9. Gay TV belongs to straight people. With the ratings that "Will & Grace" boasts each season, I suspect a lot of straight people are glued to their TV sets week after week. Gay folks aren't the ones keeping Gay TV alive. We're a small portion of the market share. Were you – or anyone you know – watching "Ellen" reruns last night? Or "Queer as Folk"? Or, heaven forbid, "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"? Or, gads, "Boy Meets Boy"?"



Ben: Well, I watch "Will & Grace" and "Queer Eye For The Straight Guy"...but then, I am a straight guy. Maybe that proves her point. Anyway, here's the article:



www.alternet.org/story.ht...ryID=16648



Enjoy.

Ben



"Somewhere, inside something, there is a rush of greatness

Who knows what stands in front of our lives...

Silence tells me secretly everything."-Flesh Failures

Ben Varkentine
 


Senate Hearings Next Week

Postby kpmuse » Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:17 pm

Just got this info from the Human Rights Campaign (HRC):



Quote:
The Senate is holding hearings on marriage next week. On Thursday, September 4, they will assess whether current laws are "enough" to prevent same-sex couples from being able to legally marry, or if further measures are "needed" (such as a constitutional amendment). That means that this week - TODAY, RIGHT NOW - we need you to urge your Senators to oppose any amendment to the Constitution that would discriminate against same-sex couples.



Just click here www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/senate_oppose_amendment to send a message to your Senators letting them know you're standing up for civil rights.


kpmuse
 


Congrats, Janis Ian!

Postby Gatito Grande » Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:33 pm

Janis Ian, the great singer-songwriter, has married her long-time partner Patricia Snyder, in Toronto today. (God, how much do I love Canada?) Mazel Tov! :pride :applause



Here's the official announcement:



www.janisian.com/wedannounce.html



GG I was only 13 when her hit "At Seventeen" came out, but that song certainly told me what to look forward to! ;) Out

Gatito Grande
 


Not marriage but hey!

Postby xita » Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:56 pm

found at the LA Times



Domestic Partners Bill OKd

The state Senate votes for a measure that would grant same-sex and unmarried couples legal rights nearly equal to those of wedded pairs.



By Carl Ingram, Times Staff Writer





SACRAMENTO — The state Senate on Thursday approved a bill backed by Gov. Gray Davis that would give domestic partners most of the legal rights and responsibilities of married couples.



It was immediately cheered by supporters as a major victory in their battle to legalize gay marriages in California.



"This is a massive building block," said elated Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg (D-Los Angeles) moments after the Democrat-dominated Senate narrowly passed her bill 23-14 — a margin of only two more votes than required. "It gets us to maybe 90% on the state level of what we might get" eventually.







"I don't think we will be content until we have full equal rights," said Goldberg, a lesbian who, with her partner, raised a son. Although the bill is certain to become law, she said, the legalization of gay marriages remains the No. 1 priority of gays in California. Gay marriage, she said, "is not going to go away."



Legal experts said the legislation would put California a close second behind Vermont in the array of benefits and responsibilities applicable to domestic partners. Vermont is the only state that recognizes "civil unions" and is considered the leader in granting civil protections and services to same-sex couples.



During an unusually eloquent debate that was free of the highly charged rhetoric of past fights over gay rights, both sides liberally cited God, the Bible and Jesus in support of their cases.



At one point, a hush cloaked the chamber as a senator lovingly recalled how his lesbian daughter had grown up as normal as anyone else and said she deserves to be free of antigay discrimination.



However, opponents warned that the bill threatened the sanctity of marriage and flew in the face of voter approval in 2000 of Proposition 22, which recognized as legal in California only marriages between a man and a woman. Proponents of the bill countered that the legislation would make no changes in Proposition 22.



The bill (AB 205) would extend to domestic partners most of the legal rights, benefits, responsibilities and obligations of married heterosexuals in California. It would not affect federal laws that apply to marriage.



Under the bill, for example, dissolution of registered domestic partnerships would be subject to divorce laws, including the awarding of financial support to ex-spouses, division of jointly owned property and the determination of child custody.



Registration Required



Domestic partners who had registered their status with the state also would be mutually responsible for debts, would receive death benefits from workers' compensation insurance and public assistance programs and would be shielded from discrimination in housing and employment on the basis of the couple's living arrangements. Struck from the measure was a provision that would have allowed the filing of a joint state income tax return.



Sen. Sheila Kuehl (D-Santa Monica), the Legislature's first openly gay member, whose long-time companion is a woman named Barbara, led the fight for the bill, anticipating that some opponents would assert that the bill would allow gays to marry.



"I wish to heck it was a marriage bill. I wish that Barbara and I could get married," Kuehl said. Instead, she said, the measure merely "adds a few benefits and responsibilities to the domestic partnership law."



But Sen. William "Pete" Knight (R-Palmdale), the chief author of Proposition 22, denounced the bill as a "clear violation" of the voters' will as expressed in the overwhelming vote on that measure. Throughout the debate, Knight, the father of a gay son, stood at his desk scowling.



Another opponent of the bill, Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth (R-Murrieta), warned of what he called an attempt to bypass Proposition 22. He reminded colleagues that "marriage is a sacred institution ordained by God."



But Sen. Richard Alarcon (D-Sylmar) announced to the chamber that his daughter is a lesbian and said that, if she entered into a domestic partnership, she should be free of laws that favor heterosexual couples but not homosexual domestic partners. In a heartfelt speech that silenced the noisy chamber, Alarcon detailed how, as a little girl, his daughter "wore beautiful dresses she played at sports activities and danced as all young girls do. She enjoyed life with a vibrant spirit."



A Father's Concern



One day, he said, his normal daughter with a normal upbringing, "realized she was attracted to women." At the time, he said, he wondered "what happened? Did I do something wrong." Since then, he said, he's "come to the conclusion that she is normal."



But, Alarcon said, his daughter and other gays and lesbians should not be discriminated against by laws whose rights apply only to married couples. In an appeal for compassion, Alarcon said, "These are normal people. They deserve normal rights, normal dignity and normal respect."



Another backer of the bill, Sen. Kevin Murray (D-Culver City), said the protections and duties of heterosexual husbands and wives should be extended to same-sex domestic partners who are entitled to "some of the services which they pay for like everyone else."



"Whether you like it or not," Murray told the Senate, such Californians deserve the same legal protections as heterosexual spouses.



The yes votes were all cast by Democrats; Republicans and Democratic Sen. Dean Florez of Shafter voted no. Three senators were absent or did not vote.



The Assembly, which had approved a version of the bill earlier, is expected next week to approve Senate changes and send the bill to Davis for his signature.



On Wednesday, the governor repeated his support for the bill. "I believe every individual needs the love and comfort of another human being," said Davis, who is in the midst of a recall election campaign.



"I know how important my wife Sharon is, particularly during these difficult times that I am confronting."





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Times staff writer Jessica Garrison contributed to this report.

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xita
 


What's more threatening? Gay marriage or some people's hypoc

Postby skittles » Sat Aug 30, 2003 9:04 pm

This column appears in the Detroit News/Free Press on Saturdays (also Wednesdays). Marney Rich Keenan is a columnist for the Detroit News writing in the Home Life section writing about life, her family & other observations. I like her column, but her column from today is something I wanted to share with you.



www.detnews.com/2003/homelife/0308/30/e04-256897.htm





What's more threatening? Gay marriage or some people's hypocrisy?



By Marney Rich Keenan / Special to The Detroit News

Saturday, August 30, 2003



There are so many things we can't possibly understand about ourselves until we're living in it. But as a parent, I have managed to convince myself that I don't think there is anything my children could do to make me turn away from them or love them any less.



Granted, they have not hit high school yet, so I have to temper that conviction with "so far." But I saw a very disturbing documentary on PBS the other night called "Family Fundamentals" about three fundamentalist Christian families who have children who are homosexuals. For the three gay offspring who came out, the results were polarizing and devastating. It was painful to watch.



Even as a fairly liberal parent, I have to admit that if one of my children told me she was gay, I would be distressed, but only because -- if today's prejudice toward sexual orientation remains constant -- I know that she would face ostracism, ridicule and hardship throughout her life.



How is it that people still do not connect dots between sexual orientation and choice, as if anyone, given the choice, would choose to be raised in a world that teaches them very early on, that something is morally wrong with the way they feel; that who they define themselves to be -- their whole essence -- is deviant and unnatural. And yet, mounting scientific evidence suggests that people no more choose their sexual orientation than they do the color of their eyes.



One of those featured in the PBS documentary is Brett Mathews, a former Air Force first lieutenant discharged for his homosexual orientation and the son of a Mormon couple from rural Utah.



All his life, Mathews has been taught that homosexuality condemns one to eternal damnation. "It's a one-way ticket to hell," he says. "Period. Do not pass go." His parents, while loving, suggest shock therapy to "treat his condition." In tears, Mathews says, "Heaven forbid (my parents) should ever have to go through this. I don't think they could survive it."



Many abide by the golden rule to love thy neighbor as thyself by declaring that they love the homosexual but they hate the homosexuality, as in "love the sinner, hate the sin." The difference is the sinner can repent and be redeemed. The only recourse for the homosexual, I presume, is to deny his or her own sexuality and be celibate for the rest of his or her life? (How can we not connect the dots between celibacy and the Catholic priests who sexually abused all those kids?)



I thought the tide might be turning with the ordination of Episcopal Bishop the Rev. V. Gene Robinson and Canada's recent legislation of same-sex marriage. I even saw a glimmer of hope when mainstream America embraced "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," and its ratings went through the roof.



But real progress, the legislative kind that changes lives, also involves politicians who have successfully mounted a wave of backlash. A Gallup poll, taken just last month, showed that 57 percent of Americans don't think same-sex couples should have the same rights as married people, an increase of more than 7 percent since the pollsters started asking the marriage question three years ago.



President George W. Bush weighed in, when asked by the press: "I believe in the sanctity of marriage. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman." The Vatican's pronouncement followed, saying that same-sex unions should not be considered marriages.



Opponents say that redefining marriage to no longer require a man and a woman threatens the institution of marriage and is destructive to family values. But the rules of the institution haven't changed: people who love each other pool their resources and commit for life. Getting out is still the same: divorce or death. So where's the slippery slope?



Shouldn't we be more threatened by our own hypocrisy? How can marriage lose more of its definition, more of its sanctity, than by failing at it at a higher rate than we succeed? How much sanctity do we apply to the institution of marriage when divorce is now an ordinary -- perhaps even likely -- outcome? During the last two decades, 1 out of 2 marriages failing has not only held stable, but now some experts suggest that the rate may be tipping over half.



How is the prevailing divorce rate not a threat to family values and the institution of marriage, but granting gays the right to commit to each other for a lifetime, or say, allowing them be each other's life insurance beneficiaries, somehow is a threat?



Please don't cite me chapter and verse. I've read the citations in Genesis, Leviticus, Romans, Mark and Corinthians. I don't happen to believe that God condemns homosexuals in those citations, any more than He condemns women who cut their hair, pray with their heads uncovered or have sex during menstruation.



Like I said, God doesn't make sinners. We do that all by ourselves.



You can reach Marney Rich Keenan at mkeenan@det news.com. Read her columns each Wednesday in the Detroit Features section, and every Saturday in Homestyle (HomeLife).

skittles



...In the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. -- from Desiderata, Max Erhman, 1927

skittles
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby Puff » Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:58 pm

AB205 is on the Governors desk this morning in California. Hopefully Davis will sign it like he said he would. This should give more rights to domestic partnerships in this state, similar to Vermonts civil union.



So, the day started and I knew my name and had my pants on. So far, so good. Yay.
Amber Benson

Puff
 


Canadian Poltics ... a marriage poll and arrest

Postby Rocci911 » Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:19 pm

Hi Kittens,



There is a poll on Paul Martin's website (http://www.paulmartin.ca) asking which option you support. So far, the "get out of the marriage business" option has been chosen by 75% of respondents, versus only 21% for equal marriage. Please vote for equal marriage!!



... and in other disturbing Canadian news ...



Gay rights activist arrested

WebPosted Sep 4 2003 01:04 PM ADT



MONCTON — Art Vautour Toole, a Moncton gay rights activist, has been arrested for creating a disturbance after trying to have his name changed at the Serivce New Brunswick centre in Moncton.



Vautour Toole married Wayne Toole in Toronto this summer. He was able to change his name to Art Vautour Toole on his federal identification – his Social Insurance card – but the province won't let him change his driver's license or medicare card.



After chaining himself to a chair in frustration at the Service New Brunswick centre, Art Vautour Toole's demonstration turned ugly.



Nervous employees hit the panic button and the building was cleared. Vautour Toole says he can't understand all the fuss; he just wants to have his married name on his provincial medicare card and and driver's license.



The province says until the federal government changes the definition of marriage, there's little it can do.



"Arrest me! Bring me to court!" Vautour Toole became even angrier when he says he overheard an employee allegedly make a comment about his sexual orientation. Service New Brunswick says it will look into the allegation.



Wayne Toole rushed to the service centre from his work where he kissed his partner good-bye as Vautour Toole was lead off by police officers. Shaken, Toole says the provincial and federal governments should be on the same page when it comes to same sex unions.



"The Province of New Brunswick and the rest of the country have to wake up. We're not going to be oppressed and pushed down and called names any more. This is stopping and this is just the beginning."



As he was escorted away by police, Vautour Toole said he didn't mind being arrested. He hopes it will convince the province to deal with the issue.



.... because the driver's licence with a different name than his Social Insurance Number (equivalent of social security in the USA), he is not able to travel outside the country, buy a plane ticket, or even open up a bank account.





Cheers

rocci





:pride

Rocci911
 


Dutch gays launch marriage manual

Postby tyche » Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:45 pm

Quote:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3196119.stm

Dutch gays launch marriage manual



By Geraldine Coughlan

BBC correspondent in The Hague



Dutch gay organisations have published a marriage manual in response to the Vatican's campaign against same-sex unions.



Dutch gays say the manual is for people who want to be really free

The 60-page guide is aimed at gay rights activists around the world and explains how the Netherlands became the first country in the world to legalise gay marriages.



It offers advice to gays abroad campaigning for the right to same-sex marriages.



The guide calls on gays to challenge discriminatory laws and fight for equal rights through the courts.



"It's a fight for people who want to be really free and to give equal opportunities to everyone," said Dutch Labour Party MP Jose Smits, who together with her lesbian partner has three children.



"So, it's not simply a matter of gays who want to have the same right as heterosexuals or a moral question," Ms Smits said.



"It's a political battle for equal rights for everyone."



'Moral duty'



In July, the Vatican called on Roman Catholics around the world to oppose the legalisation of marriages between same-sex couples.



It called it a "moral duty".



Non-Catholics have also been urged to join in the campaign.



The Catholic Church in the Netherlands refused to comment on the new booklet brought out by gay organisations here, until after the bishops' conference next week.



"As bishops they should do what they have to do - we consider it, we are a Christian Democrat party. But it does not mean we take over their point of vision," said Katlien Ferrier, an MP for the senior coalition party, the Christian Democrats.



"We have our own responsibility and we are independent representatives of the people of this country in which there is a law which makes it possible for people of the same sex to get married," Ms Ferrier said.



'Important step'



The Mayor of Amsterdam, Job Cohen, performed the first same-sex wedding in the country.



He said the Netherlands took an important step - making it possible for other countries to consider opening up marriage to gays.



He said the new booklet - which is being sent to foreign gay organisations - is also intended to help authorities abroad see how they can change legislation.



Latest figures show more than 4,000 Dutch gay couples had chosen to tie the knot in a civil marriage by 2002.



The Netherlands legalised same-sex marriages in 2001.



Since then, Belgium and two provinces in Canada have allowed gays to legally marry.



Other countries - such as France, Germany and Argentina - allow homosexual couples to register their partnerships.






And on a less cheerful note:



Quote:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3081252.stm

Russian Church in gay wedding row



Mikhail and Denis are standing for the Russian parliament

The Russian Orthodox Church has defrocked a priest for conducting the country's first reported gay wedding.

Church authorities in the city of Nizhny Novgorod, east of Moscow, said the ceremony was a blasphemous act and a gimmick to attract public attention to single-sex unions.



"The Russian Orthodox Church is against single-sex marriages and condemns homosexual relations as a deadly sin," the diocese press service said in a statement.



A spokesman for the diocese described the priest who conducted the service, Father Vladimir, as a "black sheep".



Partners Denis Gogolev and Misha Morozov have described the ceremony, which took place on Monday, as the first ever gay church wedding in Russia.



"Misha and I want to show that gays can and should live in Russia, and quite openly," Mr Gogolev said.



'Spouses'



They took their vows in a small chapel, exchanging rings, circling the altar and donning crowns as in a traditional Orthodox wedding.



Newspaper reports said there was some confusion during the service, with the priest asking who was the husband and who was the wife.



Mr Gogolev replied that they did not mind and both wished to be considered "spouses".



Homosexual relations between men were considered a crime in Soviet times.



They were legalised in 1993 - though a group of members of the Russian parliament last year tried to reverse the move in what they said was a campaign to restore traditional moral values.



Excommunication



The Russian Orthodox Church also opposes euthanasia, abortion and artificial insemination.



A priest who conducts a gay wedding could face excommunication, Father Alexander of the Nizhny Novgorod diocese told the Reuters news agency.



Both the men married by Father Vladimir are standing in December's parliamentary elections.



They are putting their hopes in the female vote.



"Women love and respect us," Denis said. "They even idolise us."




tyche
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby funkyasian » Fri Sep 05, 2003 6:33 am

ummm...don't know how legit this is...but i got this link from a friend to support same-sex marriages...if anyone has posted this already, i'm sorry for the repeat...



www.hrc.org/millionformarriage/index.asp



steph

Nothing can cure the soul but the senses, just as nothing can cure the senses but the soul. ~ Oscar Wilde

funkyasian
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby Ben Varkentine » Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:41 pm

Link to an article by former Republican (!) Senator Alan Simpson, who argues that his colleagues have "missed the point."



www.washingtonpost.com/wp...3Sep4.html

Ben



"We are all one. And if we do not know, we will learn it the hard way."

-- Bayard Rustin, organizer of the 1963 March on Washington

Ben Varkentine
 


Re: GLBT News

Postby kpmuse » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:39 am

Go Senator Simpson! He sounds like he's Kitten material :pride



Thanks for that link Ben! :wave

kpmuse
 

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