Star Trek

[JJtheCool]

Well, I got the news earlier today from another source, but this is good. Now UPN truly has 5 nights of original programming (that is, if you count the WWE as original). Interesting that it's being shown after reruns of 'Top Model'. I don't know about that as a lead-in to be honest. I'm just glad there will be something worth watching this fall at night.

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[Sheridan]

Well i stopped watching the current season of STE after a few eps but intrigued by the synopsis of 'E2' I decided to download it and watch and then grabbed 22 and 23. The quality has picked up considerably since I stopped and I am now on tenterhooks waiting for an encode on Wednesday!

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[sheila wt]

I thought this season was really good and I'm really glad there will be more. I guess in the first 2 seasons they were experimenting too much and were not sure where to go, but they found their way on the third.



Funny thing is this is the first ST I've been following since the original series (I watched only a few episodes of the others, I guess they just didn't get my attention for some reason, even if I did like what little I saw of DS9 and Janeway).



I can't wait for tomorrow's final episode!

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[seurat]

Ok, was it just me or was the season finale ending really confusing? Because I was left staring at the screen really wondering what they are trying to say. Some alternate timeline has been created? And somehow Archer is there? With a bunch of Nazis. Why, oh why, do we always end up with Nazis on these shows? Do they have that many costume uniforms lying around that they have to find an excuse to keep using them?



Anyway, I liked most of it. It was good to see Hoshi showing the effects of being tortured and traumatized rather than unrealistically bouncing back all happy and normal the next day And although some have problems with the T'Pol storyline, I'm finding it fairly credible. Now if I could figure what the ending was all about...



ETA; That occurred to me too Bob. But wouldn't that have been more obvious to the Enterprise from space? All they seemed to notice is that the space stations, lunar colony etc weren't there and or didn't respond. It seems to me in past Treks they tend to notice a lot of other obvious differences pretty quickly. Perhaps this Enterprise is too primitive to notice. Still doesn't explain why Archer, injured and in his uniform endded up there. Ah well, I agree it was fun and better than most.

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[BBOvenGuy]

I don't think it was an alternate timeline. I think the Enterprise just got sent back to the 1940s.



All the time that Archer was fighting the lead Reptillian Xindi and the weapon was about to blow up, I kept thinking, "If time-travel-boy thinks Archer is so important, why doesn't he step in and keep Archer from getting blown up with the weapon?" Maybe he did...



I didn't recognize the Nazi alien. Maybe he's one of time-travel-boy's enemies in the "Temporal Cold War."



I must say, though, that in spite of all the questions about the ending, that was the best Trek finale - and the best Trek season, for that matter - that I've seen in a long time.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

[tyche]

I thought the season finale was pretty good, though of course there had to be some kind of time travel ending with Mr Spatial Anomaly (aka Brannon Braga) co-writing the script. And I really wish TV shows would stop doing storylines with Nazis. They're so over-used that they're becoming a cliche. (I don't mean to disparage WWII-based storylines in general - just the laziness of using Nazis as shorthand for evil.)

My husband and I both agreed that we wish they'd had the guts to let Archer be truly dead. It would be really interesting to see the crew trying to cope without him, and also unprecedented for a Trek show.

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[CaptMurdock]

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I thought the season finale was pretty good, though of course there had to be some kind of time travel ending with Mr Spatial Anomaly (aka Brannon Braga) co-writing the script. And I really wish TV shows would stop doing storylines with Nazis. They're so over-used that they're becoming a cliche. (I don't mean to disparage WWII-based storylines in general - just the laziness of using Nazis as shorthand for evil.)

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I agree. Of course, part of this stems from my general confusion about the ending (did Archer get thrown back in time to the 1940s, and Enterprise just encountered the alternate present with the P-40 Spitfires? Or did Enterprise get thrown back to the '40s? If so, how? Begs explanation -- as if the Archer thing doesn't ... )

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My husband and I both agreed that we wish they'd had the guts to let Archer be truly dead. It would be really interesting to see the crew trying to cope without him, and also unprecedented for a Trek show.

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Well, they don't know he's alive, and they will have to cope with that. Who's going to take care of Porthos? My vote would be Hoshi; he's going to scam her for cheese, don't you know. I just hope they don't do some ridiculous exposition leap: "History's changed -- that must mean that Captain Archer's alive!"



Still, they have me sufficiently intrigued to tune in next season.

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Given the scene they had in the sickbay, I suspect it might be T'Pol, so that she can continue her exploration of non-Vulcan life forms. Hopefully, this time the exploration won't involve sex, though if Brannon Braga is in any way involved, I wouldn't bet against it.

If you think this world is bad, you should see some of the others. - Philip K. Dick

[WebWarlock]

You know it is only Illinois politics where "Sex", "Politics", "S&M clubs" and "Star Trek" can come up in one article.



www.chicagotribune.com/ne...i-news-hed

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Candidate Ryan says he won't quit over sex charges



By Maura Kelly Lannan

The Associated Press

Published June 21, 2004, 9:01 PM CDT



The former wife of Republican Senate candidate Jack Ryan claimed in divorce documents released Monday that he pressured her to perform sex acts in clubs while others watched.



Jeri Lynn Ryan, an actress best known for roles on TV's "Boston Public" and "Star Trek: Voyager," said in the documents that she angered Ryan by refusing. She did acknowledge infidelity on her part, which she said took place after their marriage was irretrievably broken.



In the documents, Jack Ryan denied the allegations, saying he had been "faithful and loyal" to his wife.



In a news conference Monday, Ryan refused to comment further on the allegations, saying his response in the court papers spoke for itself.



"I am sticking by the exact things I said five years ago," he said.



Jeri Lynn Ryan charged during a custody hearing that Ryan took her on surprise trips to New Orleans, New York and Paris in 1998, and that he insisted she go to sex clubs with him on each trip.



She said that after going to dinner with Ryan in New York, he demanded she go to a club with him.



"It was a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling," she said. She said she refused when Ryan asked her to perform a sexual act while others watched.



She said Ryan apologized after they left. But then, she said, he took her to Paris and again took her to a sex club.



"I did arrange romantic getaways for us, but that did not include the type of activity she described," Ryan said in the papers. "We did go to one avant-garde nightclub in Paris which was more than either one of us felt comfortable with. We left and vowed never to return."



He said he felt bad for their son that she would falsely accuse him.



In a statement released Monday, Jeri Lynn Ryan made no mention of the allegations, but said she now considers Ryan a good man and loving father.



A Los Angeles judge on Friday ordered parts of the records unsealed.



The two vigorously fought the public disclosure of the files since before Jack Ryan's win in the March 16 Republican primary. They have argued that making them public would be harmful to their 9-year-old son, Alex.



The Ryans said they were "disturbed and angered" by the order, but decided not to appeal.



In recent days, Ryan has tried to shore up support from Republican leaders, but one GOP member of the Illinois congressional delegation, Rep. Ray LaHood, called Monday for Ryan to withdraw as a candidate.



"There's no way the people of Illinois are going to countenance this behavior from a Senate candidate from the Republican Party," LaHood said.



Ryan, who said he had no plans to withdraw, had repeatedly assured GOP leaders the files contained nothing embarrassing enough to torpedo his bid for the Senate against Democrat Barack Obama.



Rumors about the documents' contents have been circulating since before the March 16 primary. Some of his GOP opponents raised them as an issue in that campaign, but Ryan won the primary handily.



The judge said making the records public could harm the Ryans' son and embarrass the candidate. But he said the public deserved to know the contents.



Judge Robert Schnider of Superior Court in Los Angeles ordered Friday the unsealing of portions of the records, whose release had been sought by the Chicago Tribune and WLS-Ch. 7.

Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press

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[sam7777]

And from SciFi Wire, your source for lame fan board rumors passed off as articles, there's an artcle saying B5 creator JMS is picting a Trek idea:

B5 Creator Pitches Trek

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Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski told fans on a B5 Usenet group that he and Dark Skies creator Bryce Zabel have put together an idea for a new Star Trek series, which he said would revive the ailing franchise. "I got together [with Zabel] and wrote a treatment earlier this year that specified how to save [Star Trek] and develop a series that would restore the series in a big way," Straczynski wrote. "I actually think it could be a hell of a show. Whether that ever goes anywhere with Paramount, who knows?"



Straczynski added that Paramount called him last year to accept an executive producer position on the currrent Trek series, Enterprise, in its upcoming fourth season, but that he declined. "The series I mentioned has nothing to do with any current series," he added. "It's a new show."



Manny Coto, who created Showtime's SF series Odyssey 5, will take over Enterprise next year as show runner. "As for Manny, he's a good writer, and left to his own devices, I think he could be a big help over there without the other powers-that-be impeding the process," Straczynski said.

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I wouldn't mind seeing JMS do Trek but really does SciFi Wire do any actual journalism or is it all just a google search? For example, why don't they call JMS and get a quote direct from him or call Paramount to confirm this stuff?



I liked the season ender until the end. The 1940's nazi stuff is just too cliched for me. I keep thinking they are trying to save money by using the backlot and old costumes like orginal Trek did.

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[werewolf123]

If jms does trek , i want to see two things, an update on the man-kzin wars, and somebody holding, reading or buying a copy of the Last dangerous visions , that way i know there will

be a firm publication date.

[serenity]

oh i love star trek the next gerneration. mostly marina sirtis. i met her last year and she is such a wonderful woman!

love her so much and as an actor she is brilliant!!

[WebWarlock]

www.chicagotribune.com/ne...i-news-hed

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'Scotty' Has Alzheimer's, Agent Says



By MELANTHIA MITCHELL

Associated Press Writer

Published July 7, 2004, 7:21 AM CDT



SEATTLE -- James M. Doohan, the actor who played Scotty on the '60s "Star Trek" TV series, has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, his agent confirmed Tuesday.



Doohan, 84, was diagnosed with Alzheimer's "within the last couple months," agent Steven Stevens told The Associated Press.



He said Doohan is in the beginning stages of the disease, a progressive neurological disorder that afflicted former President Ronald Reagan, who died June 5.



Doohan, who lives in the Seattle suburb of Redmond, also has suffered for some time with Parkinson's disease, diabetes and fibrosis, the latter due to chemical exposure during World War II when he was a soldier in the Canadian military, Stevens said.



One of Doohan's sons, Chris Doohan, of Thousand Oaks, Calif., said the Alzheimer's diagnosis stemmed from his father's increasing loss of short-term memory.



"His longterm memory seems to be intact," said Chris Doohan, 45. "If you ask him how he got his role on Star Trek or (about) D-Day, he can talk for an hour about that. But if you ask him what he had for breakfast," he can't say.



The son said he couldn't say how his father took the news, because he doesn't get up from California to Washington very often. For now, he said, the family is paying more attention to his Parkinson's and diabetes.



Stevens said he last saw Doohan in January in Los Angeles when the actor made a cameo appearance in the upcoming horror film "Skinwalker: Curse of the Shaman."



"He didn't have any energy and he seemed very frail. But as soon as they yelled `action,' he was the same old feisty Scotty," said Stevens, who has represented Doohan for 28 years.



Doohan's career spans more than 50 years, but he's best known for his role as the USS Enterprise's affable chief engineer, Lt. Cmdr. Montgomery "Scotty" Scott, in the original 1966-69 "Star Trek" TV series.



He's also appeared in several "Star Trek" movies.



Doohan has lived in Redmond for almost a dozen years with his wife, Wende. They have a 4-year-old daughter and two older sons, and Doohan has four children from a previous marriage, Stevens said.



Doohan is scheduled to receive a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame Aug. 31.



He plans to attend a three-day "Star Trek" farewell convention, Aug. 28-30, in Hollywood, Stevens said. All surviving members of the original Enterprise crew are scheduled to attend, including William Shatner, who played Capt. James T. Kirk, and Leonard Nimoy, who was Mr. Spock.

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www.chicagotribune.com/tr...trek.story

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James T. Kirk's home town (in 200 years)

Iowa town celebrates future birthplace of 'Star Trek' boss



Raoul Mowatt

Tribune staff reporter

Published July 8, 2004



RIVERSIDE, Iowa -- Chances are you haven't heard of this little town.



But you almost certainly know its favorite son -- even though he won't be born for more than 200 years.



Riverside bills itself as the future birthplace of Capt. James T. Kirk.



Yes, the legendary James Tiberius Kirk from the 1960s TV series "Star Trek." The scourge of Klingons, Romulans and evil forms of artificial intelligence everywhere. Lover of scantily clad alien babes. Master of diplomacy, oddly paced speeches and the two-handed judo chop.



"It's kind of neat for Iowa especially," said Eddy Lawson, a 45-year-old trucker visiting from Bloomfield, about 80 miles away. "We don't have a lot of things going on around here, so everything helps."



In 1984, a Trekkie resident noted that series creator Gene Roddenberry wrote in "The Making of Star Trek" that Kirk hailed from a small Iowa town but didn't specify where. In the 1986 movie "Star Trek IV," Kirk confirmed his home state with a joke, "I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space."



(The show's official Web site, http://www.startrek.com, states that Kirk will be born in Riverside on March 22, 2233.)



The Riverside Trekkie successfully urged Riverside to declare itself Kirk's hometown and later reportedly received Roddenberry's approval. That year, the town's fair became Trek Fest.



Majel Barrett Roddenberry, widow of the "Trek" creator, said she had been unaware of the Kirk-Riverside connection but said she was fine with it.



"I just appreciate that they appreciate `Star Trek,'" she said. "I think, after all this time, isn't it wonderful that people are still considering it?"



People beaming into town can see a sign reading "Where the Trek Begins."



Or they can take photos of themselves in front of a plaque on a stone pillar behind a yellow hair salon on 1st Street, which marks the spot where Kirk will grow up.



Not to be outdone, the bar Murphy's has a plaque marking the spot where Kirk will be conceived against one of its walls. (Owner Jerry Murphy says the statement was moved from under a pool table to make it easier to read.)



A model of a starship similar to the old Enterprise, the USS Riverside, and a wooden statue of Kirk also are on display. And the Riverside Area Community Club has as its phone number 319-648-KIRK. The group organizes the town's annual Trek Fest, which takes place the last weekend in June. Each year, it has tractor pulls and demolition derbies, like a lot of small-town fairs.



But it also has vials of Kirk Dirt selling for $3 a pop. It has a barn in which episodes such as "Mirror, Mirror" and "The Trouble With Tribbles" are shown. And its parade included a few Star Trek-themed floats: a mockup of a starship bridge, a replica transporter room, and a car disguised as an orange and brown alien known as a Horta, for example.



"We do have a few grumblers in town about Trek Fest, but the majority of residents have a pretty good attitude about being the future birthplace of Capt. James T. Kirk," said Darrin Thompson, RACC president. "Most will cautiously smile when asked about the unique designation."



Ed Clayton, a 44-year-old deejay from nearby Kellogg, raised his shirt to show a Federation insignia tattooed on his chest. A fan since age 6, he said he was glad Riverside could claim Kirk as its own.



"Hey, Riverside is as good a place as any," he said. "He has to come from somewhere. Why not here?"



But there are signs that despite living long, the "Trek" part of Trek Fest isn't prospering. For example, despite thousands of people attending over Trek Fest's two days, only nine people entered the costume contest this 20th anniversary. Tim Wilson, 39, won the adult division by dressing as a lawgiver of Landru, a brown-robed villain from the original series episode "The Return of the Archons."



After hammily acting a little in the spirit of his character, the Moline Ill., resident and first-time Trek Fest attendee said he had been wanting to come for almost the entire history of the event. He also talked about why events such as Trek Fest are important: "Unless you live the hope, unless you live the dream, the dream dies."



Non-Trekkie Anne Schaeffer, 41-year-old who lives about 10 miles south of Riverside, said, "If they are going to call it Trek Fest, they should probably have more `Trek' related stuff."



Thompson said it's tough to balance between having a traditional town fair and having sci-fi material. He said he plans to have more space-related items next year, including a display relating to the captains from the "Star Trek" franchise and another with models of real-life and imaginary spacecraft.



But even if the mix isn't quite right, the organizers shouldn't despair. After all, they have a few centuries till Kirk's birth to get it right.

Copyright © 2004, Chicago Tribune

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[sam7777]

Sorry to hear about James Doohan. Wish him and his family the best in this difficult time. Futon Critic had some Trek news: Development Update: July 16-19

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STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE (UPN) - "Star Trek: The Next Generation" alum Brent Spiner is set to appear in at least three episodes of the latest "Star Trek" spin-off when the series returns for its fourth season this fall. He'll play the great-great-grandfather of Dr. Noonien Soong, the creator of his character Data on "The Next Generation." No air dates for Spiner's arc have been announced.



UNTITLED STAR TREK PROJECT (New!) - Long time "Trek" executive producers Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are set to team with Jordan Kerner ("A Wrinkle in Time" and Kerry McCluggage ("Homeland Security" for what could be the next spin-off of the sci-fi franchise. The project, which is understood to take place before any of the five television series, will focus on a group of cadets at Starfleet Academy. It's also not clear if said new take will be a feature or a TV series. Paramount reportedly is looking for a "re-imagining" of the concept, and is being extremely cautious about its development. A writer has yet to be named.

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Personally, I'd rather see a new Trek iteration from someone besides Berman and Braga for a "re-imagining" of the concept. Those two just have no ideas left IMHO. It's too bad the JMS rumor hasn't panned out.

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Edited by: sam7777  at: 7/19/04 11:26 am

[justin]

What's that sound? Oh yes, it's the bottom of the barrel being scraped.



So this new series is going to be set before Enterprise? So It'll be before they have any warp five ships.



I guess one good thing about this series is trying to guess what excuses the producers are going to come up with for the characters to run into the Ferengi, Klingons, Romulans and Borg.

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[sam7777]

I agree with Levar Burton, Trek should take a break and rebuild demand:

Fans Hope Suns Can Rise Again on 'Star Trek'

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LeVar Burton, who directed 27 episodes of four "Star Trek" series and was a star of "The Next Generation," also favors a hiatus. " 'Star Trek's' just not special enough, not anymore," he said. "They need to shut the whole thing down, wait five years, create an interest, an excitement, a hunger for it again."



The [Planet Xpo] convention here offers an opportunity to look back at a 40-year cultural phenomenon that has produced 10 movies, hundreds of hours of 5 TV series and some of the most devoted fans in entertainment history. On Tuesday Paramount is releasing "Trekkies 2" on DVD. it is about those fans, and the DVD set of the first season of the original "Star Trek" series.



Trekkies are of two minds' about the franchise's trajectory. "There's a large group that thinks it's time to give "Trek" a rest," said Michael W. Malotte, president of the International "Star Trek" Fan Association, with 230 chapters worldwide. "There's another group that says, 'I enjoy Trek, I don't agree with a lot of what they're doing, but I still enjoy watching.' "

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BTW the pic with the article has neil Armstrong with the orignal Trek cast. That's a cultural phenomenon that few other genre shows can touch.

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[BBOvenGuy]

I said this a few months ago, but that post is on another page now, so I'll say it again.



Moving Enterprise to Friday nights could potentially be disastrous, because the SciFi Channel has pretty much laid claim to any SF fans who are still at home watching TV at that time of the week. Stargate SG-1 is as big as ever, and so far Stargate Atlantis has been even bigger, and once those shows go into reruns there will be specials like the Earthsea and Farscape miniseries to contend with. I can't help wondering what the reruns have been getting over the summer, because it took me several weeks just to realize that the show had moved.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

[Sheridan]

Well this is the third or fourth time 'Starfleet Academy' has been floated as an idea, usually around the time the paycheques for the current cast is getting too big. Since I download SG-1 and Atlantis I hadn't even thought about the timing clash. I would have to agree this is a death sentence for Enterprise; Atlantis is very similiar to SG-1, not a critcism, and being new is much more open for viewers to get in on the ground floor without having to catch all the references to past events in SG-1. S3 Enterprise was better but Altantis already seems much more sure of itself and if they don't finish it off then the Farscape miniseries will.

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[BBOvenGuy]

Atlantis has some subtle differences that are still in the process of being played out. On SG-1 they keep landing on planets where the Stargates, Ancients, Goa'uld, etc. are all a distant memory. On Atlantis, the Stargates are not only active but are also feared, because they're where the Wraith come from.



I'd say that Atlantis is similar to DS9 in that the heroes are camping out on someone else's turf, while it also has the same stranded-far-from-home element of Voyager.



And speaking of Trek and Atlantis, have you downloaded the most recent episode, with Colm Meany guest-starring? I believe he's due to make at least one additional appearance.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

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And speaking of Trek and Atlantis, have you downloaded the most recent episode, with Colm Meany guest-starring? I believe he's due to make at least one additional appearance.

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I've got that one and I spotted him when I skimmed it to see the file was ok, should be interesting. If Enterprise does go then they hould take a long break. One of the frustrations of the show is seeming mania for introducing new stuff that wasn't in the original canon while ignorign some of the things the fans would lie to have known more about, the Romulan War stands out in that respect.

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[sam7777]

It is time for a beak from Trek. Some folks are reporting the cancellation of Enterprise which frankly wouldn't suprise me:

NEWS: Enterprise cancelled

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We have it on good authority that the doomsayers are about to be proved right, and that Star Trek: Enterprise is being cancelled.



Our longstanding insider on the Paramount set, Trekspy, will soon be Trekspy no more - since they're being laid off in the first week of March. Due to the nature of Trekspy's role, this suggests that principal photography on the sound stages will finish at around the same time.



On 7 January the production team were still working on the 16th episode of the series, "Divergence". According to Trekspy, they have three or four episodes to shoot before production winds down. Note that the season was planned to run for 22 episodes.



If confirmed, the news does not come as a great surprise. Many observers expected Enterprise to be cancelled at the end of the third season, and ratings have continued to be poor this year. The first episode of the new year, "Daedalus", only brought in a meagre 1.9/3 share (meaning that only 1.9% of households with TVs were estimated to have tuned in).

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Enterprise not Cancelled Yet

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Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation.



"It's another inane rumour," Coto told TrekToday. "Right now, the crew is building the sets for episodes 20-21, which I'm writing. Rick [Berman] and Brannon [Braga] are writing episode 22, which is going to be fantastic!"



British science fiction magazine SFX today suggested that Enterprise was on the brink of cancellation, after its longtime source 'Trekspy' reported the production crew would be laid off in March and the Enterprise season might be shortened to 20 episodes. Although Trekspy has an extensive track record going back to the days of Star Trek: Voyager, it appears he was wrong in this case. "As to the crew being let go in March," Coto said, "we've always been scheduled to finish production in March!"



As to the remainder of the current fourth season, Coto also denied rumours that Enterprise would be limiting itself to just bottle shows. "In the second half of the season, you can expect this: Stories that take place on Andoria, a Klingon moon, Romulan outposts, Romulan Marauders, Orion Privateers, Earth's Moon, Mars, a 1701-class Federation starship and more. And you'll see a live Tholian... and a Gorn."



"As to whether or not we'll be back for Season 5," Coto continued, "that's always been up in the air. We'll see what the future brings."

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No matter what happens to Enterprise, I expect Berman and Braga to keep flogging the dead Trek horse.

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[CaptMurdock]

I have to disagree. This season has so far been fantastic (well, maybe not "Daedelus"). Last week's ep "Observer Effect" has to be one of the Trek episodes ever. The best part was the fact that the entire regular cast was involved, and Hoshi got some major screentime!



I've said it before, and I'll say it again: 99% of Trek's problems can always be fixed with a good story editor. Gar and Judith Reeves-Stevens are doing a magnificent job, and they Get It.

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[sam7777]

I checked out the opening two parter and was underwhelmed. I was also underwhelmed by the season opener last season and the last episode. My bro caught an ep a couple of weeks ago and didn't care for it and he's a big trekker as I am. However, I may check out an ep or two in the center of the season if the premise looks interesting given what CaptMurdock has said. That said there's no chance that I will tune in regularily as I am trekked out and don't care for the dark, more violent and gritty tone they have adopted of late. It's not a bad thing but it's not my thing.



ETA: UPN Cancels 'Star Trek: Enterprise'

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Star Trek: Enterprise will come to an end following the airing of an as yet untitled series finale on May the 13th, 2005.

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[Hemiola]

Sadness...sadness...unspeakable sadness



Imagine my astonishment to be listening to my local newsradio station only to hear that "Star Trek: Enterprise" has been cancelled. I must say that I have to agree that the writing/production values have lately been improving (especially with the current "Founding of the Federation" arc that they've just started), and it's a real shame that the PTB have picked this moment to end the life of this, the longest-running sci-fi franchise on TV.



Perhaps, as the oldest Trekkie on this board (I am past the half-century mark, and eagerly caught each of episode of the original series when it first aired in the 1960s ), I feel this loss more acutely. As the radio announcer stated, this would be the first time since the administration of Ronald Reagan that there is no new "Trek" series on the air . I well remember the tremendous excitement generated by Roddenberry's announcement that he would be producing a new "Trek" series, which of course became "The Next Generation". Did the series finally lose its "mojo"? I really don't think so, especially when compared with the steaming piles of dung that clutter the airwaves now .



Oh well, at least I can take some consolation from the fact that this announcement was considered to be of sufficient interest to announce on the news. Then there are the excellent DVD sets, and the re-runs on Spike. At least I can, at the very least, re-run over and over again the scene in TNG where Deanna Troi and Dr. Crusher exercise together....

[WebWarlock]

Wow, this was on the font page of the Tribune's homepage today. It's big news.



www.chicagotribune.com/en...i-news-hed



When there was no new Trek on the air, I was a freshman in college. Now I am faced with that again.



I am looking forward to some down time, give the creative staff a chance to recharge, regroup and maybe give us something great in a few years. I am going to miss Trek on my TV.



I guess now is a perfect time to get all of those Next Gen DVDs I have been wanting.



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[Sheridan]

Well for those US Kittens suffering withdrawl symptoms I would advocate heading over to Sci-Fi and catching Battlestar Galactica. I did enjoy Enterprise but truthfully Instead of messing with the Xindi arc they should have moved towards the Romulan war, its one thing not to be a slave to continuity but its another to just ignore the history of the Star Trek universe.

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[BBOvenGuy]

Setting a series in a time before all those years of established continuity was bound to cause a universe of trouble, but I don't think that's why Enterprise got the axe. The show has simply not kept up with the times. In some ways, it still has the same look at feel that all the post-TOS series have had, going back more than 17 years now.



At the same time, the franchise's best creative talent has moved on - just check out The Dead Zone, run by Michael Piller, Battlestar Galactica, run by Ron Moore, or even The 4400, run by Rene Echevarria and Ira Steven Behr.



But fear not - I highly doubt we've seen the last of Trek. I'm reminded of when Doctor Who came to an end in 1989. Fans kept the show alive, and now Russell T. Davies has brought it back. Maybe Trek just needs a rest until someone new with some talent and clout can give it a proper revival.

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Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 2/3/05 3:15 pm

[seurat]

I'll just add in that I'm sad about this too, although I've never loved the show I did find it entertaining and it will feel strange not to have any new Trek shows on tv for some time at least. (I expect the franchise will be absent for longer than one season- maybe a lot longer.) The show was definitely improving recently and the 'Observer Effect" ep mentioned earlier in the thread really was brilliant. I'll miss some of the characters but hopefully they'll come up with a good finale episode that will wrap things up for my favorites in a satisfying way. I still think the best Trek was DS9, and this one rates well down the list, bit I think they made a honest effort and some progress over the four seasons. Good luck to all of them in the future.

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[urnofosiris]

I never watched Enterprise because I do not really like going back in time instead of forward. I can´t stop thinking about the characters being dead already, which is odd given that it is set in the future, but I am odd. The biggest reason I never wanted to watch is knowing they were taking major liberties with the continuity and that I can´t stand at all. I did not have a problem with the altered appearance of Klingons however, but that was because I had not seen the original ST before I saw them in the movies and the Next Generation and I like the way they acknowledged the discontinuity through Worf when they married the TOS and DS9 with the Tribbles as bridesmaids.



Anyway, DS9 is my favorite of the lot, I never could get into Voyager. The premise was interesting, but I found the chemistry between the different actors lacking. For example a half Klingon and a Vulcan should have been very compelling characters, but I never could get interested in them like I was in Spock and K'Ehleyr. In short, I cannot miss what I never watched, I still miss DS9, I wish they would make a movie about that and resolve the, what I consider to be very dissappointing ending, but I doubt that will happen. I do believe ST will be back in a few years, but I think it is going to have to be set in the future of the future so to speak. There are plenty of stories to explore, it´s a big galaxy after all.

[sam7777]

I stopped watching Enterprise a couple fof seasons back and can't see I'm sorry to see it go. DS9 was also my favorite trek and I was a quite a trekker back in the day. I also enjoyed Next Gen and even Voyager up to the last couple of seasons. I have no interest in Battlestar Galactica as I'm not a Moore fan from my trekker days (much preferred Ira Steven Behr and Peter Allen Fields). I'd like to see some speculative SciFi rather than just another show set in space be it on a starship or battlestar or whatever. Been there and done that.



I'm certain we will see another Trek iteration. I hope they take a couple of years off on the franchise to think of some new ideas and dump Braga and Berman. The rumor of Stazinski doing it was intriguing and is a direction that I's like to see.

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