Joan of Arcadia

[Gatito Grande]

But Cicca, we already know Luke has a crush on Grace---it's no big deal that she rung his bell . . . she did that *ages* ago!



But if he thinks that he rang her bell (w/ the kissin'), then that gives him hope to keep up the pursuit (and I give a 15 year-old like Luke---that's how old he is, right? He's younger than 16 year-old Joan?---a pretty wide berth before I would say he's "stalking" her).



The doubts I have about Luke/Grace isn't really the writing, per se: I know the writers can give 'em great lines and scenes. Nor do I doubt Matthew Welch's and Becky Wahlstrom's acting chops: both are outstanding. "Grace" is the best buddy character since . . . well, since a certain auburn-haired computer geek cut her hair, dyed it red(der), and took up witchcraft. And "Luke" is every bit as well realized as Joan---which is pretty amazing, considering she's the title character in the Girardi family. Furthermore, Luke and Grace make great buddies themselves: they're hysterical (together as well as separately). But chemistry? Of the romantic nature?



GG There's your Huge IF. Out

[gspiggott]

I love this show . I thought the way they integrated Mary Steenburgen's character with Adam was wonderful , and a move that a lot of other more youth obsessed shows would not have made. The wacky science teacher was fun too although I felt the direction was a little flat at the end.

[Gatito Grande]

About the Chem Teacher: am I the only one a little turned on by the way she works a pointer?



GG . . . ala "My negative-ion experiment didn't turn out right---I've been very bad, Mistress!" Out

[Cicca]

Oh yeah. Chemistry. Romantic chemistry. I forgot about that.

Yes, that's an "if". It would be nice to see the writing follow the chemistry. If it's there and they've got a smart way to write it, then hey, why not? Oh, well the "not" would be if they decide that Grace is queer. Oh, on the other hand... Ok, I'm confused!

I'm just so pleased with how most of the characters on the show are written with such depth. It's awesome!





And the chem teacher? Maybe I'd have had more of a clue in high school if my science teachers were like her. She rocks.





Two cents about the last scene. Yes, it was a little strange in the filming, but still sweet.

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[tyche]

btw, the version of 'Across the Universe' that they used in Friday's ep was by Fiona Apple. It was also featured on the soundtrack to the movie 'Pleasantville'.



Anyway, here's the summary for this Friday's ep, from JoanofArcadia.com:

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Recreation



Directed by: Elodie Keene

Written by: Unknown

Original Airdate: Jan-16-2004



Helen's pleas for Will to spend some quiet time alone with her lead the two to a spa getaway, but Will finds it difficult to unravel and let Toni handle the crackdown on a meth lab in Arcadia on her own -- and Helen is disappointed to find that Will seems to want more to do with his job than with his wife. In their absence, the Girardi children find they have enough to cope with: Kevin's workplace starts to heat up as he and boss Rebecca find their mutual attraction to one another coming to the fore, and Joan tries to sort out her feelings for a boy at school. Her romantic leanings are interrupted by God's latest visit -- while God acknowledges that their relationship is deepening and leading to more important events, the latest 'weekly task' comes as a counterpoint: Joan is to throw a party in her parents' absence. She goes all out with the help of Luke and the party is a success... but celebrations are left behind when an explosion rocks Arcadia.



Recurring Cast: April Grace (as Lt. Det. Toni Williams) Becky Wahlstrom (as Grace Polk) Christopher Marquette (as Adam Rove) Derek Morgan (as Arson Investigator Roy Roebuck) Sydney Tamia Poitier (as Rebecca Askew)

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[Iamyouknowyours]

Theatremouse-- I know this question was a ways back, but I believe they air episodes about five back from the ones they are actually airing. I was background on the cheerleading episode (whichever number that was) and it was the kindness and professionalism of the crew and talent as well as the well written scenes I saw that inspired me to tune into the pilot. I've been hooked ever since.



I was initially disapointed Grace is not a lesbian, at least that's not the direction their hinting at. Given the unique and original way they're dealing with Kevin's paraysis, I was hopeful they would handle a gay character with equal love and respect. Translation: no crazy, evil or dead lesbians. However the character of Grace still rocks my world and she and Luke are positively adorable together. I just want to give Luke a hug every time he's onscreen. And Grace, well she's just f___ing hot! (And way hotter in person too I might add, this coming from a girl who normally doesn't go for the butch). They make a cute couple. And I personally think that what she sees in him is that he isn't some dumb, jock, pretty boy/ She likes that he's weird and nerdy. Adam and Joan are adorable too and I do believe that will become an item at the end of the season. C'mon though, they have to drag it out to make us keep tuning in!



Speaking of which, Joan is upset because Adam is taking a girl named Iris out to a (Stripes?) concert (Grace wouldn't go with him for political reasons), which is really her own damn fault because she insists (to both Iris and Adam) that they are just friends, not a couple. Adam says that Joan doesn't want him dating, but if he asked her out she would say no. Joan swears that isn't the case .... she wants him to date. And from the expression on her face that is a big fat lie. Iris likes Adam a lot, so much as to see a band with him she doesn't even like. She also sports some metalwear that methinks Adam probably welded for her. The little girl makes another apearance as god in a nursery school that may or may not be a part of the high school. It's hard to tell from the way they were filming it. I'm not sure what they had to say other that the fact that one of the kids was throwing paint at the other. That's all for now! I'll spoil you guys some more the next time I get to work on the show.]

Edited by: Warduke at: 1/16/04 1:09 pm

[The Rose24]

Argh! They are torturing us with the Adam/Joan thing.



Now, they are saying they are not ready to be couple.



No, I don't think Grace is a lesbian either. She is just being rebellious.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

[Gatito Grande]

Torture? I'm actually relieved: I don't think Adam and Joan are ready to be a couple either.



Someday? Fairly soon? Yeah, sure. But I don't want to see Joan stay so segmented in her life: her "God" life vs. the rest. She can't have an intimate relationship (w/ Adam or anyone else), and have it work, while keeping this HUGE other relationship (w/ "the Almighty") completely secret from her partner.



Thought: Adam saw Joan dancing w/ Cute Boy God. Has anyone else specifically commented on seeing Joan w/ God (I mean, seeing Joan w/ someone that Joan and the audience knows is God)?



I had some believability problems w/ tonight's ep. The spa (and spa owner) was over-the-top, for one. More seriously, I'm just not buying Kevin (and ergo, Kevin and Rebecca---even though "girl in boy's lap, in wheelchair" has been a great image since the movie Coming Home). Kevin's this great natural writer? I just can't see it---Kevin hasn't been written in a way (to date) to see that talent lingering underneath (as opposed to say, Grace, who is easy to imagine as a writer). OK, if I'm being completely honest (heh: see how my brain can be critical when not, say, slobbering over Eliza D? ), I also wonder whether some of the problem might not be Jason Ritter's acting. He's cute enough, but he's not up to the level of AT, BW, MW or Christopher Marquette (Adam).



GG Also becoming very fond of Science Grrl: I *think* it's Mageina (Yikes! Imagine how her name got twisted on the playground ) Tovah as "Glynis Figliola" Out

[tyche]

Last night's ep was enjoyable, but not quite as good as 'Jump'. I have to say that the sight of a punch-up between men in white dressing gowns (I think it's impossible for a man to look macho in a white dressing gown, though Joe Mantegna gave it his best shot) was frickin' hilarious.

The Joan and Adam stuff was interesting as it looks like they'll be having an on/off relationship.

In spite of the fact that I'm a Joan/Adam shipper, I like the fact that they're not getting together just yet. I think Joan really has to take some time and work out how to be in a relationship while coping with the huge strain of having to explain away the God stuff. I'm not against the idea of her telling Adam, but I don't think God would be too happy about it. My theory is that the secrecy is something that Joan has to bear as the result of her mission with God.

I liked the final scene, except for the fact that it featured one of my least favourite TV cliches - characters dancing to music that they can't possibly hear! JoA has done this before, too - there was one ep which ended with Helen and Will dancing, also to music that was only on the soundtrack. Honestly, next they'll all be singing along to 'One of Us'...

Great acting again. I loved Joan's reaction to the police arriving at the party, and the scene where Luke and Joan were planning the party was hilarious too.

I don't buy that Kevin is a natural writer, though I'll reserve judgement till I see how they develop this storyline.

My husband and I both agreed that two cops being pulled off a stakeout to go and see to a noise complaint was something of a plot hole. Apparently there are no other cops in Arcadia who could take over either the stakeout or the noise complaint. And, as my husband also pointed out, why did Cute Guy God let Adam see him dancing with Joan? Did God actually want to upset Adam or put the brakes on the Joan/Adam relationship? (After all, God - being omnipotent - isn't supposed to slip up.)

And poor Joan - God orders her to do something which is supposedly fun and she just ends up getting really stressed out.

btw, there's no new ep next week. I'll check and see which one they're repeating.

[Iamyouknowyours]

Loved the guys in white robes punching each other out. Frickin' funny. As much as I adore the frilly heck out of this show I agree with the plot holes. You don't leave a stakeout for a noise complaint, although it was a clever twist to the throwing a party assignment, if we give them some suspension of disbelief. I'm all for Adam/Joan torturing us with the are they/aren't they a couple for a while, but couldn't they come up with a better excuse than "I'm not ready"? Um, excuse me Joany, but haven't you repeatedly bitched God out for your lack of love life and begged for a boyfriend? Well here he is. He's nice, cute, not a jerk or a klepto, highly unlikely to threaten your dad with a gun, seems to be a great kisser and even your mom knows you have the hots for him. I would have rather had her tell him she doesn't want to wreck the friendship. Or perhaps have her affections devided between several guys. Or be afraid of hurting him more through her whole commitment to doing whatever God says. This episode was definitely one of the weaker ones, a bit of a let down after the kick ass science experiment.



I don't buy Kevin as a writer. Maybe a sports writer. Or how frickin' cool would it have been for him to start coaching some sport be it little league or wheel chair basketball? I think he and his boss are kinda cute though. Although it's funny how every character seems to be getting lucky around the same time. Speaking of which, where are my Luke/Grace smoochies? C'mon most adorable geek in the world, you rang her bell now ask her out! I can only imagine the plethera of hillarious mishaps that could occur on such a date. Plus that would mean additional Grace time so that I might drool over her esquisitness



Well that's my thoughts on it. Looks like there's no new ep next week. Damn. I'll have to get my Joan fix from reruns.

[BBOvenGuy]

I didn't have a problem with the things people are having problems with.



For instance:

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You don't leave a stakeout for a noise complaint, although it was a clever twist to the throwing a party assignment, if we give them some suspension of disbelief.

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This wasn't just any noise complaint. This was a noise complaint at the Girardi house. They made that very clear. Sergeant Williams was notified because of her loyalty to Will, and she left the stakeout for the same reason.

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I'm all for Adam/Joan torturing us with the are they/aren't they a couple for a while, but couldn't they come up with a better excuse than "I'm not ready"? Um, excuse me Joany, but haven't you repeatedly bitched God out for your lack of love life and begged for a boyfriend? Well here he is. He's nice, cute, not a jerk or a klepto, highly unlikely to threaten your dad with a gun, seems to be a great kisser and even your mom knows you have the hots for him.

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But that's exactly why she realized that she's not ready. She's been pining away for some imaginary - and unattainable - boyfriend. It's nice and safe to pine away for the imaginary and unattainable. Now she's got a boy right there in front of her, ready and waiting, and - EEK! I thought that was very real.

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I don't buy Kevin as a writer.

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Okay, maybe I'm thinking this way because it's something I've actually done , but what if Rebecca is exaggerating Kevin's writing ability to herself as a way of giving herself an excuse to be around him? Kevin's not really that good a writer, but if Rebecca convinces herself that he is, it gives her "permission" to be close to him. I'll admit it's something they probably won't do, but it occurred to me.



It wasn't the best episode they've done, but I still liked it overall.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

[Gatito Grande]

I had less of a problem that Lieutenant---make that Sergeant Williams (trippy, the different Police/Sherriff nomenclature!) would leave the stake-out for the Girardi disturbance, than that there wouldn't be back-up at the stake-out. We didn't see them call any, and the captions . . .



. . . oh, something I wanted mention: I tape my favorite shows, and watch 'em again w/ close-caption on (tomorrow, I have 42 year-old ears---so sue me ), and the captions can frequently reveal stuff quite different (not just supplemental) to what we hear.



Case in point: when Will and Helen were watching the news report about the meth lab exploding, there was a divergence from the audio and the captions: the audio had the news announcer describing how the fire spread, whereas in the captions, it said (after the part about the police being called away) "which was a blessing, as the police officers would have been injured in the explosion." Isn't that interesting? It's like the original script (which is what I assume goes into the captions) was highlighting that Joan's God-requested party, which called the officers away from the explosion, was a "blessing"---but in the finished audio track, they changed that.



Furthermore, about the "dancing w/o music" tyche complained about the captions said "Music filters down from the house". So, according to the captions, Joan and Adam could hear the music!



Wierd, huh?



Re: Kevin and Rebecca again---I could buy that she was just "building up" his talents as a writer, to be close to him . . . if I could more see why she wanted to be close to him. I kinda feel, at this point, that the writers gave Kevin a disability in lieu of giving him a real character. JMO.



GG There was a SWUTL ep, where the audio and the captions diverged for like a minute---I just ascribed that to ME sloppiness . . . Out

[gspiggott]

Amber Tamblyn is on the cover of the tv guide and they talk to Barbara Hall as well. Not sure I buy Kevin and his sudden gift for writing but I do like the romance with his editor. Poor little Glynis has it bad for Luke and I'm just not sure he can handle Grace.They are certainly doing a good job with all the painful awkward adolescent angst.

[willowlove]

According to Zap2it, Joan of Arcadia is one of four shows CBS has renewed for next season.



Text:

CBS Graduates Four Freshman Shows

(Saturday, January 17 01:40 PM)

By Rick Porter





LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - CBS on Saturday (Jan. 17) became the first network to pick up first-year shows for the 2004-05 season, ordering second seasons of four series.

"Cold Case," "Joan of Arcadia," "Navy NCIS" and "Two and a Half Men" will all return in the fall, CBS CEO Les Moonves says. With a third "CSI" already announced and most of the network's other series likely to be back as well, there will be little room on the schedule for new shows.



"To get on the schedule next season, [a show] is going to have to be damn good," he says.



Sitcom "Two and a Half Men," which stars Charlie Sheen and Jon Cryer, is the highest-rated new series this season, with about 15.2 million people watching each week. The show, which sits comfortably between established hits "Everybody Loves Raymond" and "CSI: Miami," ranks 11th overall in total viewers.

"Cold Case," with close to 14.3 million viewers, is the most-watched freshman drama. "NCIS" (12.5 million) and "Joan of Arcadia" (11 million) also rank in the Nielsen Top 40.



Missing from the list of pickups is "The Handler," which has struggled some on Friday nights. Its average audience is about 8.3 million, and it loses close to 4 million viewers from its lead-in, "JAG."



CBS recently cut back the episode order on "The Handler" from 22 to 15, and the series will end its run in the next few weeks. The network's other new show, "The Brotherhood of Poland, N.H.," died a quiet death last fall.

"You forgot the first rule of mass media...give the people what they want!"--James Bond (Pierce Brosnan) to Elliot Carver (Jonathan Pryce) in "Tomorrow Never Dies" (1997)

[Kieli]

Did anyone happen to notice that song at the end of the "Recreation" ep when Adam and Joan were dancing? Who the heck IS that? I've been going nuts trying to find out!

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ETA: The song is by Andrea Martin and it was done specifically for this ep. She's apparently a good friend of Barbara Hall. It's called "Tell Me" and a brief snippet of it can be found HERE. Also wanted to mention that JoA eps can be downloaded from BitTorrent. "Bringeth It On" is my fave ep for Joan's quirky little rap number.

Time flies by when the Devil drives.
It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end.

Edited by: Kieli  at: 1/26/04 11:34 am

[tyche]

Just to let people know that they will be repeating 'Bringeth It On' (the cheerleading episode) this Friday. I'm planning to watch it again because it was so hilarious.

[Puff]

Ah I loved the cheerleader episode and it was great to watch it again. That being said there isn't an episode that I really would watch again so far.



Anyway the previews for the new episode this Friday looks like fun. Guess now that Joan has made it up with Adam it is time to fall out with Grace. I love how the secondary characters in this show get a good storyline though and it is always great to see more Grace.



It was a shame that Amber T didn't get the Golden Globe, hopefully when the Emmys come round JoA will get some deserving nods its way. I'm glad that TV guide has discovered the wonders of the show now, especially after they were all impressed with Miss Match (eww).

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So, the day started and I knew my name and had my pants on. So far, so good. Yay.
Amber Benson

[tyche]

There's a new ep (titled 'State of Grace') this Friday.

Here's the episode description, from CBS.com:

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Friday, February 6, 8PM ET/PT

'State of Grace'

After Joan joins the debate team per God’s wish, she and a stuttering student are paired together to defend the new and unpopular school security measures. Meanwhile, Will investigates a hate crime against a priest and Kevin begins to fight the momentum of his budding relationship with Rebecca.

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Edited by: tyche at: 2/2/04 11:07 am

[lilkkgirl4u]

ya..i actually saw the preview for it. she totally shows up grace in the auditorium..

she says something to grace along the lines of:

"not everybody has to agree with you"

[theatremouse]

Iamyouknowyours: i agree about grace. although my initial disappointment was followed by the back of my brain thought that perhaps she's bi, and perhaps they'll be as nonchalant no big deal needs to be made about it, respectful and realistic about a person about that as they seem to be other things. if that were something theyd want to reveal eventually. plausible if incredibly unlikely.

yeah. damn hot she is.

also dont buy kev at the paper quite so much. also, not enjoying rebecca, not that one needs to like every character, or is supposed to. she irks me though. as does chemistry teacher lady. so much energy. so quirky. almost too Loud. not in an "i object to the character" way though, in an "if i encountered her in real life i'd find her annoying" way.



Re: captions: I'm hesistant to trust "extra information" from closed captioning. as i understand it, the captioning works like this: show is on screen. captioner sits with special shorthand keyboard and types captions. captions appear onscreen.

it's also been my experience that the captioners dont always get it right. theyre just like anybody else watching, hearing what they hear. theyre not always right. in fact quite frequently theyre not quite right, or slightly abbreviated. the captioners dont a have script or anything, so if it said "music trickles down from the house" or whatever, its cuz whoever was captioning presumed and/or heard it that way.

so yeah. that's all i know about that.

Tara: Five what by five what?

Willow: See? That's the thing: no one knows..

Edited by: theatremouse at: 2/6/04 5:30 pm

[The Rose24]

Magnificent episode.



Once again, I won't give away all. Luke seems to be over Grace, and Grace seems happy for him.



Joan and Grace are okay, but I am not too sure about Joan and Adam. In next week's ep, Joan will get jealous.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

[Gatito Grande]

I love Grace . . . but it's usually more in an "I identify w/ her" kind of way. But the belly ring? Hot dang!



So what did you think of Luke stepping out on Grace w/ Glynnis (aka Science Grrl)? I was certainly happy for Glynnis . . . but what to make of Luke? Is he just doing that "when I'm not near the girl I love, I love the girl I'm near" thang, or? And what did Grace's look say, when she caught them? I'll have to check the tape, but on first glance, I'd say she wasn't too upset.



But then the plot thickens! I swear I'm not just looking for gratuitous subtext , but wasn't the tension between Grace and Joan (when Grace offers Joan her hankie) such that you could cut w/ a set-off-the-metal-detector knife? I'm not saying it was sexual tension, mind you . . . but I'm not saying that it 100% wasn't either. Meanwhile, Joan and Adam are "OK," but there wasn't a lot of heat there . . . mainly, I suppose, because this week's plot didn't call for it. The dynamic of these 3 (Joan, Grace and Adam) certainly is interesting to watch!



theatremouse: if you don't like the Chemistry Teacher, I'll take her! (She is turning me on more and more every time I see her whip that pointer, and she has a way of describing chemical reactions which is kind of . . . stimulating as well )



I actually liked Kevin and Rebecca more this week than previously, because it didn't seem as forced.



What did seem a little forced, was the gay-bashing/false molestation charge cop-plot. I mean, it's a good thing to have out there: a Christian minister who was telling a depressed, scared and confused gay kid the right things, but the bashing-dad just seemed a little obvious. (OK, truth to tell: being unspoiled, I was a tiny bit afraid, when the injured minister mumbled "gay," that maybe he was beat up by a gay guy upset at being condemned to hell---which would have been a twist, if an extremely negative one).



And the Metal Detector/Debate Team/Stuttering Guy plot didn't grab me that much either. The stuttering guy is just now discovering he loves to write? (But how much more do I believe he can, than can Kevin! ) The whole debate scenario only got interesting to the extent of the blow-up w/ Grace (but oh, how many snappy lines did Grace get off en route! )



Last, I also wasn't thrilled by the "Helen Girardi, Art Teacher" subplot. Do it or don't do it, but whatever.



GG But she "threw away the other applicants, and only gave Price her name"? Is that legal (never mind ethical)? Out



Next week: "God, the father" (i.e. as portrayed by Amber's dad Russ)

[Cicca]

I always wanted to be an elegant moron.









Yep, Grace's belly-ring. Go Grace!



I agree, the dynamic between all three of them is just fascinating.

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[Tiggrscorpio]

Grace is really a well written character. She's so damn interesting. I was trying to think of other tv characters as unique as she is, but no one comes to mind. Her actions continue to surprise and please me. It's refreshing that she's not two dimensional or easy to figure out. I'm absolutely captivated by her.



GG, watching that last scene outside the school with Joan and Grace, I could just see Joan/Grace shippers who write fan fic getting out their pens.

*****



"The toast is fine. Toast bread good...anything else bad. Bad! Evil!" Amber Benson referring to the food at The Friar Tuck

[Puff]

Well after last nights episode there has to be more Grace/Joan fanfic out there. That was some moment they had between them. I think Grace is a wonderful character, her reaction to seeing Luke kiss that other girl was interesting as well, she seemed to be very happy about it. It'll be fun to watch next weeks episode and see what happens.



Amber T is just a fantastic actress, her speach in the debate was brilliant and so heartfelt. But does anyone else find Joans sense of fashion amusing?



The writing on this show continues to impress me and each week I look forward to new episodes with giddy excitement. Oh and God should be in produce? LMAO

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So, the day started and I knew my name and had my pants on. So far, so good. Yay.
Amber Benson

[xita]

I liked yesterday's show. I am not sure what Grace felt, but I think her little fight with Joan was more important to her. I am actually glad that they are being fickle with the kid's feelings. It's often that way at that age. They should not make the mistake of making the show about a ship. I think they've got that handled. I am glad we're seeing more of the other kids. And I hope mom has a teaching credential can't really teach without one, no matter how good she is at art.

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"Hard work often pays off after time but laziness always pays off now!"

[Cicca]

I wish I'd taped the ep so I could go watch Grace's face again and try to figure it out. I may be projecting, but she seemed to have an "I knew it/Figures" look on her face. Like she expected Luke to go elsewhere for smoochies. Which doesn't really make huge sense with the plot, but hey!



Did anyone else go to school with pigs like Friedman? I remember one guy in particular. ugh. Do you think he's got some redeeming qualities somewhere? How did he and Luke become friends so quickly?

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[Gatito Grande]

I actually like Friedman---in the sense that he such perfect foil for . . . almost everybody, but especially Grace. (I don't really think he's a pig, BTW: he's just the kind of 16 year-old boy who thinks himself ever so much more "sophisticated" than he actually is. That Luke is friends w/ him is, to me, evidence that he'll outgrow this "Big Man on Campus" phase before too much longer)



Good to know that I wasn't the only one seeing . . . something, between Grace and Joan.



Oh, did anyone notice: Christopher Marquette (Adam) got promoted to "Special Guest Star" at the end of the credits. Personally, I would like to see both him and Becky Wahlstrom promoted to the starting credits; there's no reason to specifically limit them to "the Girardi family." What do you think?



GG OK, I've been out of H.S. a long time, so maybe I'm not up on these things: I know that Joan, Adam and Grace are "assigned" (I guess) a lab table together in Chem class, but does anyone think it strange that, if they're studying at the Girardis, Luke is not part of the study group too? Or is it just Joan's preference? Out

[Cicca]

I hope your Friedman-related optimism pans out! For his sake and for Luke's. I have fairly unpleasant memories of boys like him so I tend to scowl. Poor little Friedman! Suffering my scowls. :P



If anyone didn't notice something between Joan and Grace I'd be a bit surprised. Oh wait, I'm always noticing stuff between "girls".



I'm braindead and haven't figured out all the actors names so I didn't realize that was Adam getting special guest star status. I agree, Adam and Grace should definitely be in there all the time.



Why doesn't Luke study with them? He's younger and it's just "not done"? Joan doesn't seem as petty as me so maybe there's another reason. Or maybe Luke's just in another universe when it comes to studying chemistry.

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[Kieli]

Erm...anyone know where I can find Joan/Grace fic?? I never knew any existed!

Time flies by when the Devil drives.
It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end.