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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Tyrex316 » Tue May 03, 2005 9:54 pm

Yeah, I'm going to wait and reserve judgment on Logan as well. Although, up until a few weeks ago I wouldn't of put it past him. I'm more inclined to believe they were put there by his father.
Great episode by the way . Very weird to hear Duncan voice what they both must have been secretly fearing, the fact that they might be siblings. It was also nice to see Veronica finally telling Wallace everything, that was such a great momment on the bed. Can't believe there is only one episode left until next season.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby The Rose24 » Tue May 03, 2005 10:15 pm

Personally, I don't trust Logan as far as I can throw him.

He distributes the drugs, puts some in Duncan's drink, has cameras in his bedroom, and I am not forgetting the fact that he blames Veronica for the break up with Lily. Also, look at all of the things he does to Veronica and others in the beginning. He still does asinine things.

Kristen Bell always gives 110%. She is definitely a phenomenal actress. I am definitely hyped about next week's finale.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Hemiola » Wed May 04, 2005 5:29 am

I am in thorough agreement with ringwaldoeuvre's post and will just add a note about the crying.

The reason the crying made such an impact was that Veronica has made such an effort to put up this "I-am-a-super-tough-Mickey-Spillane-film-noir" type of private eye that it was almost shocking to be forcefully reminded that we are dealing with a teenaged girl who has been deeply, deeply hurt. In the crying department, though, I still say that nobody beats AH;)

I, too, can hardly wait for next week. I hope we also find out if Veronica and Duncan are really siblings!
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby seurat » Wed May 04, 2005 2:48 pm

Brilliant ep, I was especially impressed by how many tie-in's there were to the previous school investigations and how they were used by VM to make connections and get info on what happened at the party. The outcome of the rape mystery was indeed both surprising and still perfectly reasonable. And yep, Kristin Bell can really act. As for Logan, I'm still not convinced he's the bad guy. Do we know for sure that was his bedroom with the cameras? How many 17 year olds have a liquor cabinet in their bedroom? Although he had a key hidden way for that. Now that doesn't mean he was unaware of the cameras, so that combined with some of his proven faults may be enough to distrust him. Doesn't make him the killer though. As for that, shall we start taking guesses? Given Duncan's fit of rage and the fact that he was apparently off his meds when he did that, maybe he really did kill Lilly. And Duncan's mom is a real evil sort as well. I actually think she is a strong suspect Any thoughts?
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Incarnadine » Wed May 04, 2005 4:07 pm

My primary guess is Celeste Kane and my longshot guess is Madison Sinclair. Whoever it turns out to be the Kane's had to at least believe it was Duncan or there'd be no cover-up.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby ringwaldoeuvre » Wed May 04, 2005 5:59 pm

My main guess is also Celeste Kane. We know the Kanes paid off Abel Koontz, which suggests they are probably trying to protect one of their own. Plus, she really seemed vicious and cold in this episode, not that it is a huge departure from her usual demeanor. We know Mommy and Daddy Kane preferred Duncan over Lilly, and though that is not a motive, it suggests that she isn't racked with guilt.

Word, Hemiola. You are totally correct about the impact of her crying. I had not even thought of that, but her usually cool persona made a break-down so much more powerful. Yes... AH could cry circles around anyone.

In Rob Thomas' TWoP interview, he mentioned that there would be a cliffhanger at the end of the season finale. I think it will be the paternity issue, unless they spring something on us next week. Which, ya know, happens. It is hard for me to make definite judgements with this show, such as with Logan, since nothing is as it seems.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby urnofosiris » Fri May 06, 2005 12:30 am

Awsome episode. The bit with the surprise party cracked me up. Now that really was a surprise party. Celeste Kane has been on my suspect list since the episode where we flashbacked to her and Lily which made it clear Celeste is her step mommy. Father Kane at least has to believe it was Duncan, I do not think he would cover up his daughter´s death for his wife. The paternity issue has got to be the cliffhanger, what else could it be. They are going to resolve the murder and ´who is the father´ is really the only major question left. Kristen Bell said in her interview it would be something we would want to see and it would be resolved in the first episode the next season. Surely they can´t set up a huge mystery in one final ep in which one huge mystery already has to get resolved.
I still trust Logan, I do not see how he would set up those camera´s for his private enjoyment. It could be his father, but it could also be someone else altogether trying to spy on the big movie star.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Incarnadine » Mon May 09, 2005 6:58 am

Dang, I wish I had DVD's of this show already. I never thought there would be real clues, I'm so used to shows just making up an ending that comes out of left-field with no real facts set in the previous episodes (most movies are like that too which is Why "The Sixth Sense" was so cool, there were real clues through that movie that made sense in retrospect)

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WHO killed Lilly Kane?

That question has been on the minds of roughly three million fans of UPN's noir, teen detective drama "Veronica Mars" for the last eight months.

The identity of the person who murdered Veronica's (Kristen Bell) best friend, Lilly Kane ("Mean Girls' " Amanda Seyfried), will be revealed tomorrow night (9 p.m./Ch. 9) in the biggest episode yet of the first-year series.

Add the mystery of an unknown killer that's been strung out over an entire season, and interest in this finale has been feverish.

Rather than indefinitely drawing out the mystery the way ABC's "Lost" has, "Mars" creator Rob Thomas promised early on that the murder would be solved by the season's finale.

For those playing along at home, clues were inserted into each episode so that you could try to figure out — along with Veronica — whodunit.

"There are red herrings in the show, clues that don't lead to the murderer, but at the same time, there are subtle things that do," says Thomas.

"The challenge is that you don't want everyone to say: 'That's exactly who we thought!' It's not fun that way, but you also don't want to pull someone from so far out of left field that everyone feels cheated."

Everyone's a suspect, including the dead girl's rich and influential parents, her epileptic brother, the head of security at her family's software company and the leader of the high school biker gang (with whom she had a fling).

Midway through the season, though, Thomas briefly flirted with the idea of changing the identity of the murderer and creating multiple endings for the finale.

Part of the reason for this was "fearing that the answer would be floating out there [and] growing attached to characters that might not be around next year," says Thomas.

Ultimately, Thomas' biggest concern is whether people will be satisfied after the big reveal.

"Everyone has a guess, everyone has a theory, and when they see that it's not who they thought it would be — except for the people who were right — I hope they think, 'Wow, that's cool. I didn't see that one coming,' " says Thomas, who has no reservations about revealing the murderer's identity so quickly.

"The upside of solving the mystery in one season is that we can give big clues and move the story forward — it's not that endless delayed gratification," says Thomas.

"The downside is that it puts a lot of pressure on us to have a big season-two mystery that's as good or even better than the first."

Although he's reluctant to give away any details, Thomas says that fall will bring another big death into the "Mars" orbit: "I'm not saying whether it's a murder, but someone will die. I just don't think I can do 22 episodes based on insurance fraud," he laughs.

Everyone, start making your guesses now.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby urnofosiris » Mon May 09, 2005 12:11 pm

I am going with stepmother Kane, though suddenly I am having the horrible thought that Veronica´s mother has something to do with it, but I´d have to rewatch all the episodes to see what her alibi was. No time for that, so I am sticking with mother Kane and father Kane believing Duncan did it. Duncan has been set up as too much of a suspect to be the one, heh, though following that logic it would surprise me if he does turn out to be the one. Either way it will be good. I have to stay away from this thread until I have seen the episode. I want to be unspoiled for this one.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Incarnadine » Mon May 09, 2005 7:33 pm

IF Magazine - May 9th

EXCLUSIVE: VERONICA MARS CREATOR ROB THOMAS

iF MAGAZINE: Will Alyson Hannigan have a bigger part next year?

THOMAS: I don’t know what the status is because she did a pilot this year. I think if her pilot goes, we won’t be able to use her and if her pilot doesn’t go, I would like to bring her back from time to time?
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby bytrsuite » Tue May 10, 2005 7:03 pm

Oh, man. That was an awesome season finale. This show did not disappoint me in the slightest. Kristen Bell kicks so much ass, it should be illegal.

I can't wait til next season.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Warduke » Tue May 10, 2005 8:12 pm

Wow!

That was awesome. Totally lived up to what I was expecting. Kristen Bell is simply amazing.

I am so happy we'll be getting a second season. It would have been a crime if this would have been the series finale.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Tyrex316 » Tue May 10, 2005 8:53 pm

LOL!!! The answer's been there the whole time. Who's been the most sadistic, womanizing, SOB all season long? Awesome episode and Kristen Bell was great. Can't wait until next season.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby ringwaldoeuvre » Tue May 10, 2005 9:51 pm

Whoa. I don't think I took an entire breath throughout the entire episode. Once again, the pieces fit together, and I don't feel cheated. In the interests of not possibly spoiling those that have not had a chance to view the season finale, I will reserve my specific comments. Generally, I felt they did an incredible job packing so much information into one hour of television. It was superb from beginning to end.

Did anyone else notice that they omitted the opening credits? I assume that was done for time, or perhaps to put all the players on an even field.

Any speculations on who VM addressed when she said that last line? It could be so many people, thus affirming my conviction that so many things can have wide interpretation on "Veronica Mars." All I can add is another... whoa.

I want the Season 1 DVDs now.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby blue eyed girl » Tue May 10, 2005 9:54 pm

Wow that was great. That was a surprise. And Kristen Bell did a fantastic job. Now I can't wait till the second season to see what happened to Logan and who was at Veronica's door.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Ben Varkentine » Tue May 10, 2005 10:32 pm

What was so great about it is that like only the best mysteries, the ending was surprising yet fit seamlessly, as far as I recall, with everything that had happened before.

Also, they set up a couple of potential plotlines for next season. Assuming Logan's all right (fingers crossed), he's now in charge of the Echols fortune--and Mr. Kane threatened to go after everyone Echols loved. That also gives us some idea of potenial storylines for Alyson Hannigan if she returns next year.

And of course, Veronica's mom stealing the money.

I can't wait for next season. I loved it! :bounce
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby seurat » Wed May 11, 2005 2:08 pm

Ok, well at least I was right when I said it was a waste of money for Veronica to pay for her mother's drying out session. I sure didn't get much else right. I'm sure they cut the usual intro for time reasons, I noticed that at the time too. They had a lot of story to fit in, and they sure did a great job. I'm not all that interested in their little " who's at the door? " cliffhanger (I would guess that it is Duncan), but I'm really concerned about Logan, and Weevil for that matter. Loved Backup's moment of glory, and the scene with VM and her Dad when she found out about the dna test results. The last scene with Lilly was lovely, I'm going to miss her. Mostly though I'm going to miss the show for the next few months, and hope the second season is as special as the first one.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby SpinCycle » Wed May 11, 2005 9:34 pm

Just a quick comment because I'm still getting over how incredibley awesome the episode was and can't form words for a decent contribution.

Did anyone notice the van that hit (I'm not sure if it's still a spoiler for some people so I'll just put this here in place of the name) had a Lilly on it? At least that's what it looked like to me. I thought it was a nice touch. Lilly getting her revenge.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby urnofosiris » Thu May 12, 2005 2:49 pm

I just saw the episode and I could not wait to get here to post about it. That was one hell of a ride. Aside from the Kanes believing Duncan did it I was wrong about everything else and I am certainly glad I was. I would have been a tad disappointed had it turned out to be one of my suspects. Psycho movie star was not on my list and kudos to everyone on this show for making it make perfect sense, yet leaving me clueless up to where Veronica put in the tape. Brilliant stuff. Scary stuff too, I was worried for a few minutes Mr Mars was going to bite it, but thank the heavens he did not. It is all so right this way.

I am also glad the paternity test was not the cliffhanger. The one they chose is simple, yet compelling enough for me to tune in next time. Not that I needed that for incentive. I am thoroughly hooked as it is. I loved the dream scene with Lily, it was very sweet and loving. We have seen these sort of psychic dreams before, Veronica had them, Duncan had them, they feel like more than just dreams that come from their own minds. I will miss her too, but I loved the closure we got and it left me with the feeling she will always be there and that she is in a good place: Veronica´s heart.

As for who it is at the door, well I am hoping it is Logan, but it probably is not. I am guessing it is Wallace, he is her best friend after all. Poor Logan btw, he was so messed up already, if he lives to learn the truth what will it do to him. He has to be alive, I hope Wevil saved him (would be an interesting twist I think), he is too interesting a character to lose. I also do not see much reason to keep Aly´s character around at all (assuming she is in a position to guest star some more), if he is not there. My main reason for wanting him to be alive is that I like him. Next season cannot come soon enough.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Warduke » Thu May 19, 2005 9:16 am

From TV Guide...

VERONICA'S CASKET: Hope y'all enjoyed Veronica Mars this season, 'cause although UPN renewed the flat-out brilliant detective dramedy, come fall, it's burying the show — that is, moving it to Wednesdays at 9 pm/ET opposite Lost.


Have they lost (pun intended) their damn minds???

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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Hemiola » Thu May 19, 2005 2:13 pm

All I can say is, thank God for the invention of the VCR! :applause
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby seurat » Thu May 19, 2005 2:35 pm

Yes, and I will be taping Lost to watch later, which tells you how much I love VM. I ncidentally the entire first season is going to be shown in Canada now on CTV starting June 2nd, which will give a lot more people a chance to see it. Which will be nice becaUSe up until now when I talk about the show here people have never heard of it since so few of are bothering to get UPN.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby bytrsuite » Thu May 19, 2005 3:21 pm

Oy. I hate when they screw around with the schedules. They can't really believe that timeslot will get them more ratings. Boy oh boy.

Oh, well.

I too will be watching Veronica Mars and taping Lost. There is just no contest on that one.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Ben Varkentine » Thu May 19, 2005 11:16 pm

I guess I am glad I never got around to watchlng Lost. Still, Gilmore Girls survived being opposite Friends...
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby ringwaldoeuvre » Fri May 20, 2005 2:03 am

I guess it's a good thing I never watched Lost. I do know it's popular, and it worries me that VM will oppose Lost.

Some friends and I were discussing how Logan, should he survive intact, will treat Veronica next season. It seemed that Veronica's distrust of Logan led to some major hassling. Then we realized that Duncan received much of the same treatment, in the sense that Veronica also invaded his privacy and thought he killed Lilly. Given their sordid history, we came up with the following hypthetical scenario between Duncan and Logan...

Duncan: Do you remember that time Veronica thought I killed Lilly?
Logan: Been there, dude. BEEN. THERE. But I can top it, she totally thought I planned to tape us having sex AND killed Lilly. Plus, has Back-Up had rabies shots?
Duncan: Yeah? How about unwittingly having sex with the girl I thought was my sister and her invading my private medical records?
Logan: Boo-ya!

The end result of this conversation was a unanimous call for Season 2. Now.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby The Rose24 » Fri May 20, 2005 10:59 pm

The camera in the bedroom is never explained.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby urnofosiris » Sat May 21, 2005 1:10 am

His father grinning into the camera while he is getting it on with Lilly kind of makes me think he did it, or do you really think Logan is more likely to have set up that whole thing than his murdering abusive psycho father. If so, he would have known about dear dad doing his girlfriend and acted on it.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Warduke » Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:48 pm

The Television Critics Association announced its 2005 TCA Award nominations. Among those nominated...

OUTSTANDING NEW PROGRAM OF THE YEAR
“Desperate Housewives” (ABC)
“House” (Fox)
“Lost” (ABC)
“Rescue Me” (FX)
“Veronica Mars” (UPN)

INDIVIDUAL ACHIEVEMENT IN DRAMA
Kristen Bell (“Veronica Mars”)
Matthew Fox (“Lost”)
Hugh Laurie (“House”)
Ian McShane (“Deadwood”)
Kiefer Sutherland (“24”)
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby urnofosiris » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:48 pm

Matthew Fox?????????????? Not saying he is a bad actor, his character certainly managed to provoke some real emotions from me, but his performance was not all that special that he deserves this nomination above any of his fellow cast members. Kristen Bell had better win, she has shown so much acting talent and range this season, I say acting, but not for one moment have I felt she was acting, she was just Veronica Mars. Brilliant. At least it is great that the show and she are nominated and as far as the series is concerned it is in good company.
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Re: Veronica Mars

Postby Warduke » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:25 am

From TV Guide...

VERONICA GETS EYE'D:

In a bid to give the critically adored and ratings-troubled Veronica Mars a shot in the Nielsens, CBS has agreed to air four episodes of sister network UPN's series. CBS will offer up a double-header of Mars repeats on July 29 starting at 8pm/ET, and two more eps on Aug. 5 and 12, Variety reports. Mars is slated to make its second-season debut on Sept. 21, on UPN. I tell you, CBS, something like this almost makes up for Center of the Universe. Almost.
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