Lost

[Culzean]

So far my two favorite episodes have been the two Locke-centric ones. This one was fantastic.



Random thoughts:



* If "the island" wanted Boone and Locke to find that plane, did it want Boone to get mortally injured? Is that why Locke temporarily lost the use of his legs, so that he could not join Boone and climb into that plane? Perhaps, like me, the island finds Boone annoying.



* It seems Locke has led an incredibly sad life. I wondered if he began studying survival skills, and began seeking adventures, in an effort to be more like his dad (who, by the photographs in his house, seemed the adventurer), and in turn be worthy of his fathers favor?



* No, Swoozie doesn't look old enough to be Locke's mom, nor did Locke look all that young. I guess we just had to suspend disbelief.



* When Boone got someone on the radio, did that guy respond by saying there were no survivors? I'll have to play that again.



* As has been noted before, an awfully high percentage of castaways are directly, or indirectly, responsible for other peoples deaths. That list just keeps growing:

** Sawyer - killed the wrong guy

** Kate - killed the man she loved

** Jack - performed a mercy killing on the Marshall

** Charlie - killed Ethan

** Sayid - killed at least one person as part of a firing squad

** Hurley - inadvertently caused deaths thanks to a curse

** Locke - may have inadvertently contributed to Boones death, if Boone doesn't make it next week.



I think that only leaves Jin, Sun, Shannon and Claire out of the main cast.



I haven't even tried to figure out what that light means, or why it would only light up after Boone contacted someone and then got hurt.



And next week Claire has her baby, or least starts labor. Can't wait!

[Hemiola]

No, Swoosie Kurtz certainly does not look old enough to be Terry O'Quinn's mother, but this kind of casting is more common than many people realize.



Remember "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"? Sean Connery, who was supposed to be Harrison Ford's father, is in fact no more than ten years older than Ford! It is a credit to the technique of both actors that everyone "bought" the idea of Connery as Ford's father .



And don't even get me started on the fact that Stockard Channing was thirty-five (35! ) when she was supposed to be a high school girl in "Grease".

[urnofosiris]

Thanks goodness for a new episode. The mysteries keep piling up. Locke´s back story sure makes Jack´s daddy look like a prince. That stash of heroine should be enough to last Charlie for years to come. I worry that he will find out about and we get this whole dramatic ´will he or won´t he fall back into old habits´ deal.

Oh and another moment for Jack to be the hero doctor. Poor Boone, if that won´t kill him, then nothing will.

[xita]

Swoosie does in no way look old enough to be Locke's mother. It really upset me to see that. Other than that, a pretty good return. Not the best ep... too much Boooone.



I thought about that when I saw the drugs G. I loved the many missdirections in the story with Locke, trying to make you guess when he stopped walking and why. I still hate Jack for making fun of my sweet Sawyer

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"São só dois lados da mesma viagem.

O trem que chega é o mesmo trem da partida."

Encontros e Despedidas - Maria Rita

[Gatito Grande]

I was spoiled, so tonight's "Big Island Death" was no biggie.



. . . and, it being Boone, it really wasn't: sorry to bad-mouth "the deceased", but he really was a pretty useless character (among a very large cast of regulars). Buh-bye, Boone!



Oh look: it's more Saint Jack. (What happened to the wife: oh joy, I guess there are more Jack-centric eps to explain that )



Really liked Sun tonight: that woman has a head on her shoulders . . . and had I been Claire, I would have preferred her to deliver my hell-spawn (Was anyone else sort of half-expecting horns on the young'un? ) Is there some reason Kate got this responsibility? Was Jack just thinking "Well, she's a woman, and Claire's a woman, so . . . ?" What did people think of Jin getting Charlie to revert to the old-fashioned "Childbirth is no place for a male" business? Personally, I don't like that: if you need extra hands in the (medical) procedure, then it shouldn't matter if they're male or female.



GG An OK ep (though it would have had more drama, obviously, had I not been spoiled). Still looking forward to what comes next---more Locke, and the hatch. Out



Have to say, I still don't really get what Sayid sees in Shannon (Beyond the stereotypical thang that some men have for "the Blonde Bimbo." Maybe she'll become more interesting in her grief? We can only hope!)

[xita]

I like sayid with shannon, i like shannon with sayid. there hee.



Now, I had a feeling kate would get close to some .. umm, yeah but not like that



Jack is a jackhole. First, he is rude to Sun who is really doing the right thing. Stupid jack can't help but feel responsible for Boone's death so he decides to blame Locke. Yeah, Jack it was murder, that's really logical. Locke tried to kill Boone and to make sure he died he brought him to you where you might be able to keep him alive. He could have left in a corner of the island, Jack's pussy ass would never wander to. I hate jack jumping to that conclusion.



I am very happy it was Boone that bit it. It would have been better had it been Jack but really this is second best. And his last words, tell shannon....



Oh God this is like that movie Citizen Kane you know where you later find out Rosebud was a sled? But we'll never know what he wanted to tell shannon because like he's dead.

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"São só dois lados da mesma viagem.

O trem que chega é o mesmo trem da partida."

Encontros e Despedidas - Maria Rita

[Culzean]

I might have gotten into the drama of the whole Jack-trying-to-save-Boone scenes if I could have stopped thinking "I can't wait to see what Dr G has to say about this!"



I thought Sun was great in this episode. She is so much more assertive and confident than when she first arrived on the island. I was just sure Jin was going to appear right after Sun left and then be unable to tell Jack about Claire. I really like how they did play it, with Jin speaking to Sun even though you could see it really bothered him to have to do so.



And I was thrilled it was Kate who delivered the baby instead of Charlie. I was sure it was going to be Charlie.



And Jack...Jack just can't win with me. Even when he's being "good" he's annoying as all hell. And assuming that Locke killed Boone? That's a pretty radical interpretation of the text.



I can't believe it's a repeat again next week.

[urnofosiris]

Man, I have stopped bouncing of the walls long enough to type up this post now. Incoming Jack rant (surprise), if you like him, look the other way. Seriously.





Where to begin? There is just so much to hate about that man.

A few weeks ago I went to a University´s medical museum where the boozed up tour guide told all sorts of boring things, but he did say something which was interesting and true when we were shown some old scary looking surgical instruments. A couple of centuries ago when people were losing limbs left and right on warships, amputations were a daily job in conditions worse than on that island. A teeny tiny dark space in the bowels of a ship with 4 people holding down the screaming patient and one very skilled surgeon who would cut off a limb, make a good clean wound that could be treated. The survival rate was amazingly high, like 80% or so.



Jack waited long enough with trying to amputate that leg for it to be useless. Do not even get me started on the way in which he was going to do it (I´ll skip his ´treatment´ of the tension pneumothorax altogether). Slamming that door down would have cut through the femoral bone, there would have been no skin-flap with which to close the wound, leaving the bone open to infection (that would be the kind of infection to worry about). He did not think of all those razor sharp knives Locke has?



If you were to find yourself under circumstances like on our island here and you need a doctor, do not go with the fancy megalomaniac neurosurgeon (or me, I won´t claim to be any good either), he is utterly useless, go with the one that lived 300 years ago, or in this case: Sun. She was a beacon of sanity, skill and determination.



I absolutely despise Jack for his snide snotty arrogant condescending "we´re a little beyond the herbal remedies here" comment. If not for Sun, he really was going to let Boone bite off his tongue so he could choke in his own blood. I despise him for the way be was barking orders at the others for completely useless shit. Was he really going to wait for the alcohol whilst Boone was bleeding out? Well yes he was.



Then he orders Charlie to go ask everyone whether they have bloodtype A neg and then he whines that he did not ask if anyone has O neg and apparently Jack has O neg himself. My bloodtype, blergh, I hate to have anything in common with that fucker. Where did that IV-bag come from anyway? Why was there an IV-bag on that plane and no (IV) needles? That makes sense how exactly? His trial, conviction and apparent sentencing of Locke is the final straw. Aside from that making no sense whatsoever for the reasons xita pointed out already, that man has saved him when he was dangling from that cliff, he saved them all in one way or another and now saint Jack dares to call him a murderer?



I did not care about Boone, living or dead, if that island really wants to make a friend out of me, it should kill Jack. Slowly. His trophy wife calling him her hero, what a healthy relationship that must have been. Yes I am sure he would love her forever, he found the one person that appears to glorify him more than he himself does.





Back to the good, I really like Sayid and Shannon together. I am so very happy that Kate helped deliver the baby. I liked the way she freaked out mildly but ended up doing a superb job guiding and reassuring Claire. Sun is just fantastic. Jin was good too, I hated him the first few episodes, but not anymore. I did wonder why he left his ax behind when he ran to Kate´s aid. I mean, he hears a woman yell for help on an island filled with nasty beasties and he leaves his ax behind? Foolish man, but a brave one too.

Edited by: DrG at: 4/7/05 4:36 pm

[BFR from Paris]

Quote:

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Re Claire's first nightmare (w/ the baby-crib mobile): anyone else flashback to The X-files (and Scully's baby)?

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Totally!!



Sorry, I'm late, I've just discovered this show and already I can't get enough of Kate climbing trees!

[Hemiola]

Salut BFR



So, they're running the show in France Do they call it "Les Perdus" or simply "Perdu"?



I wonder if any other current US shows have made it across the Atlantic? If so, I wonder what their titles would be?

Joan of Arcadia ("Jeanne d'Arcadie"?)

Desperate Housewives ("Femmes de ménage en désespoir"?)

Veronica Mars ("La Fille du policier"?)

[BFR from Paris]

hemiola hey!



no, it's not running in France yet, I've been downloading the eps It will air over here soon though, along with "Desperate Housewives" (which I think they should call "Wisteria Lane" in France, it would make a good title à la Twin Peaks )



I don't know about Jeanne d'Arcadie and Veronica Mars, but I've enough shows to watch for now



And for the record, "Friends" in France is not called "Amis"



So I've watched the first 13 episodes of Lost, and

At first, the monster reminded me of Predator, but now it doesn't sem to be the focus anymore... Ethan is really creepy, and Charlie implied he was not alone... What bugs about this baby story is that it's very common in US TV shows... There's always a cult who wants to steal the baby who's a new messiah, blah blah blah... Anyway, I like the show overall, and I love Kate

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ETA: Alright, I'm all caught up! Good thing I have training from watching "24"

That thing with numbers... For a minute I got worried that it'd be like in the movie "Cube". We'll see. Because in my opinion, it's no accident that these particular people ended up on this island... Now I can't wait to know what's under that hatch! I was surprised to see a bunch of unknown faces at the end of episode 20, when everyone comes to see the baby! Jack-ass is after Locke, I hope it doesn't go bad...



The French woman has the same mouth as Jennifer Saunders, it troubles me...



More, more!!!!!!!

Edited by: BFR from Paris at: 4/12/05 6:24 am

[Culzean]

Last night was a clip show, with a seriously annoying narrator. But a couple of the clips they chose to show caused me some concern.

The first one was of Jack and Kate sitting on the beach. Jack has discovered that Kate was the prisoner on board and Kate wants to tell Jack what she did. Jack says he doesn't want to know, it doesn't matter. Three days ago they all died when the plane crashed (metaphorically speaking). Everyone was getting a second chance. It was time for everyone to start a new life.

Then there was the scene where Boone is in the cockpit of the heroin smugglers plane, using the radio. He says "We're survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." And it sounds like the guy on the other end of the radio is saying "There were no survivors from Oceanic Flight 815."

One of the many theories about this show is that all of the survivors are dead and hanging out in purgatory. I have been hoping that wasn't true. I was hoping for a scientific, or science fiction, type of explanation.

Possibly going in another direction, they also played some clips of Sayid and Rousseau. One scene showed Rousseau telling Sayid that her friends were all dead, they were killed by "the others," that "they" were the carriers. A later scene shows Rousseau telling Sayid to keep a close eye on his friends after he returns to them.

I wonder if Rousseau's friends started acting crazy and violent? If that was why she had to kill them? At the end of the last new episode, Jack was acting crazy and violent, and going after Locke for no logical reason.

Of course, assuming Jack is behaving irrationally due to some type of contamination is probably giving him too much credit.

There was one bit of good news during the broadcast last night. The last four episodes begin airing next week, and there are no more repeats.

[Gatito Grande]

Then there was the scene where Boone is in the cockpit of the heroin smugglers plane, using the radio. He says "We're survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." And it sounds like the guy on the other end of the radio is saying "There were no survivors from Oceanic Flight 815."

Really? Cuz I thought that I heard that the quote on the radio was "No, we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." (To go along w/ the "there were other survivors in the tail of the plane" theory)

One of the many theories about this show is that all of the survivors are dead and hanging out in purgatory.

. . . and I thought that I'd heard that the producers specifically denied that theory.

GG Not that I haven't been wrong a zillion times before Out

[Culzean]

It was pretty hard to hear what the guy on the radio was saying but I hope you're right. I much prefer what you think you heard to what I thought I heard.

[urnofosiris]

I listened to it a couple of times and I am pretty convinced that the other guy said "we´re the survivors...", like Gatito said.
The preview for next episode did not make me a happy camper. Jack has a lot to answer for, that piece of shit.

[FloatingRose]

Sorry, I'm late, I've just discovered this show and already I can't get enough of Kate climbing trees!

hee! you like that too?

[sam7777]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601143_pf.html

The television series "Lost," created by J.J. Abrams with Damon Lindelof, reminds many of us of the abuse we suffered from David Lynch's "Twin Peaks" and Chris Carter's "The X-Files"--how we watched those shows beyond all reasonable limits of loyalty, waiting for the deliberately opaque Lynch and Carter to grant their audiences anything in the way of satisfaction, closure, solution. We never got it.

And so we're drawing the line here, saying "no": no to the complicated plot lines of "Lost" that never budge an inch. No to the ceaseless, layered mysteries that will never be solved. No to the hidden details, objects, phrases and numbers that actually have no meaning whatsoever. No to the picture of Matthew Fox wearing tight pants in the latest GQ. (Well, yes, but no.)

Television reporters confronted Abrams earlier this year, demanding to know whether the essential thread of "Lost"--several dozen people survive an airline crash on an uncharted Pacific island and must now survive one another, polar bears and other beasts--was really leading anywhere, or if the writers were, in fact, in over their heads. The producers and writers say there's a method to their madness and that "Lost" will soon make sense. Theories about the show abound: The castaways are actually in Purgatory. The plane crash was a government experiment in human behavior.

Really, it's about B-list television stars who chanced into a decent pilot episode and now find themselves trapped in "Lost," and who will be back for another season. It's about the audacity of Abrams--pitching "Lost" to ABC without any plan for what happens next. Why can't "Lost" just be one season long, wrap up its tale in a taut and captivating manner, and then let everyone move on? Because that would be artistically sensible, but bad for network profits, syndication deals, etc. Because that does not take into account the creator's estimation of his genius or the cast members' sense of their own star power. Imagine not an enigmatic tropical island but a cork bulletin board in a network conference room, covered in index cards, none of them making sense. That's what the people at "Lost" hope we never discover.

Personally I think that shows with a dense plot should be limited series. I'm tired of shows that stay on till they rot and smell. I'm tired of folks with no plan pulling something out of their @ss and claiming it's art and genius. At least "Lost" shows us you can have a diverse cast (with *gasp* even Asians) on TV without the world ending.

[urnofosiris]

So far they have managed to make the stories and characters (except Jack the ass, but even he serves a purpose, he is my excuse to rant) interesting enough to make me look forward to a new episode every time. The season is almost over and whereas I can´t imagine this show running for 16 years or so, I can definitely imagine a second season. I do not want it to end yet. I don´t care what other shows did.

[Hemiola]

Well, that's the thing, isn't it? The whole question as to whether or not the writers/producers are just "coasting" (as Chris Carter so obviously was) or in fact actually have something to tell us will be resolved in the next couple of episodes.

I, for one, will be a very unhappy camper if I don't learn:
1. What is the "monster"?
2. What is the "hatch"?
3. Who are the "others"?
Apart from these "concrete" mysteries, there are all the "mystical" questions about the island that need to be answered.

In short, my message to the producers is simple: tell me enough to satisfy my curiosity and keep me intrigued, I'll stick with you. Leave me hanging, and I'll drop you like the proverbial hot potato.

[Culzean]

Lost is such a good show when Jack isn't on screen. I want just one of the characters to speak for me and point out to him that he's being completely irrational. And a poopy-head!

Jack's pissed at Locke because he based his treatment of Boone on what Locke told him? If only he had he known that Boone's leg was crushed as a result of a fall in an airplane, rather then a fall from a cliff, then he could have saved Boone????

Kate isn't choosing between a good boy and a bad boy, she apparently just likes messed up boys.

Kate really should have gone with Sayid (well, she should have gone with Sun...). I like Sayid. His back-story was pretty disturbing. I really liked the scenes between Sayid and Locke. Unlike Jack, Sayid's actions and thoughts are perfectly rational. He doesn't trust Locke because of the secrecy, which is reasonable. But he also recognizes Locke's worth.

The baby stuff was ok. A little filler to lighten up the mood here and there.

So, we have one mystery solved. We know who hit Sayid several episodes back. That leaves:

* What is the monster?
* Who are the others?
* What is the hatch?
* What was that little airplane Kate stole from the bank?
* How did they all survive the crash?
* Why isn't anyone looking for them?
* What's with Walt, and these weird powers he seems to have?
* Is Hurley really cursed?
* Why did Rousseau kill her crew, and where is her son?
* What's the deal with Claire's baby?
* Why are so many of the main cast directly, or indirectly, responsible for a death? We can now add Shannon as an attempted murderer. I think that just leaves Sun, Jin, and Claire without ties to a death.

I do hope they answer a few more of these questions in the next two episodes.

[sam7777]

I don´t care what other shows did.

I don't think it is unreasonable to look at what other similar shows have done and use that knowledge to colour what one thinks of this one. Though I certainly don't advocate that everyone must or should do that. The show's producer, Lindelof, himself has made such a reference to other shows.

"As a member of the community who loved 'The X-Files' for all those years and felt bummed out by the end of it, all I can say is, we're cognitive of trying not to go down the same path," says Lindelof.

I posted the full article on Feb 9th in this thread.

What other shows have done does influence what I think simply because it has reduced my patience for these "mysteries" given what other "talents" have done with a similar format. I am not the only one as this is the second article I have seen worrying if "Lost" will go the "X-Files" route. Personally, I think that shows like "Twin Peaks" and "X-Files" have "poisoned the well" for these kinds of complex shows given their dissappointing endings. While most of us are willing to give them the benefit of a another season, I doubt they will get the kind of benefit of doubt that X-files had running for nine seasons.

[xita]

I think I am one of the few people that just enjoys the ride as long as it is good. I don't really need all the answers as long as the story keeps on moving. I love Twin Peaks that I have watched it many many times. It's that good of a show.

Anyway, yesterday's ep didn't have enough Kate. Kate Kate Kate!! Sayid's story was very interesting. And yet another story of how someone was almost not on that plane. I hope shannon gives him another chance, she'd be an idiot not to.

[urnofosiris]

Yes Jack, you told her he lied. You and your hysterics made her believe Locke intentionally hurt Boone. What a piece of fucking shit. His hysterical fit was just that. Hysterical. What a nasty nasty little man, blaming his own incompetence on Locke, pathetic whiner. I want him gone, I do not even want him to rant about anymore.
Anyway, Sayid´s story was interesting again. He too knows how to tell a lie and deceive his friends, just like Locke. I am glad Locke is ok, I loved the look of death he shot at Jack after Shannon tried to kill him. Back when Sayid was clobbered on the head I suspected Locke because he pointed the finger at Sawyer then. Locke has never been wrong about anything it seems, so it made little sense to me that he would try to incriminate the wrong guy. I wondered then whether he did it because he does not want to get off the island that gave him back so much, but I believe him now when he says it would have led the survivors to harm if Sayid had succeeded then.

[Hemiola]

All right, I'm still a little "confuzzled" (as the kids say) about last night's episode.

It was supposed to be a "Big Reveal" about Kate, yet I am still feeling uninformed. So the toy plane belonged to a childhood friend. I still don't get why it wound up in a bank vault, and she was willing to commit murder in order to retrieve it. Furthermore, why is her mother, who is apparently dying of something, terrified of her??

Now it so happens that I had to be in and out of the kitchen during the episode (you know how that is ), so I might have missed some important exposition points. Can someone fill me in? Thanks!

[Culzean]

Nope, you didn't miss anything when you were in the kitchen. We learned a few more things about Kate, and got a few more mysteries.

Kate had told Jack in a previous episode that she killed the man she loved. Now we know who that was. Not that she killed him directly, but she feels responsible. We know why she's emotionally attached to the little airplane, but not how it ended up in a safe deposit box. We still don't know why Kate is running from the law. But we do know she's an accomplished fugitive and she has a mean right hook!

We also know Sawyer's got a pretty good take on her. She watches out for herself first, and she's manipulative. Not that I hold that against her, mind you. I loved it when Kate told Sawyer she'd take his spot on the raft if she wanted it.

I liked the interchange between Locke and Jack. Watching Jack get slapped down when he tries to do his high-and-mighty routine is endlessly amusing.

And it appears little Walt is both telepathic and clairvoyant.

I really enjoyed last night's episode, and next week's looks great. Rousseau is back!!! We get to hear more about the "others." I'm wondering if they'll be coming out of the hatch? I'm also going to bet that raft doesn't get very far.

[xita]

Yeah, i was a bit lost myself with this week's episode. I was disappointed that the airplane only holds sentimental value. I like my kate to have an edge. So it was good knowing that she was already running from the law. Also neat seeing someone have mommy issues, everyone has daddy issues so this was a nice change.

Jack, bleh. And walt is starting to scare me. He's got powers...

[urnofosiris]

When she bolted from the car she left the plane in there right? It must have fallen into the hands of the police. I wonder how it got into that vault as well. I also wonder what horrible crime she was suspected of and running from to have that cop shoot to kill instead of shooting out her tires. Her not really having killed the man she loves is no surprise. He should have gotten out of the damn car. I loved the interaction between her and Sun again. They both thought finding the right man would make them happy forever and it did not. Hello, look at each other when you say that dammit. Ah well, not going to happen. I still love their scenes together.

(J)ack (J)ack (J)ack (J)ack, my hatred for him is spiralling out of control. It did not help that they are showing Lost on Dutch TV now and yesterday they aired the second Jack and his whiny daddy issues episode where he finds Charlie hanging from a tree and tries to kill him for sure -excuse me, revive him- by pounding on his chest like a maniac. Charlie would not have been hanging there if Jack had not driven Claire away by his ´she is a hysterical pregnant woman, take this sedative it won´t harm your baby (WTF) shit´ and let her take off alone and not pursue her himself (but then he did not believe there could be bad people on that magical island full of monsters). Even when she has been kidnapped and it is painfully clear he was wrong to doubt her (when no else did) and that she has been kidnapped by someone who was NOT ON THE PLANE, when he is bitching at Locke who is trying to caution him about the others, he dismisses Sayid´s revelation that there are others on the island as ´Sayid is delirious`.

Tonights episode again made it clear that the only opinion he considers to be right and values is his own. Locke´s retorts seemed to make no impression on him at all. The fact that he wants to open the hatch too should clue Locke in that it is a bad idea more than Walt´s freaky warning. I do not recall Jack being right about anything at all so far.

[Gatito Grande]

Two thoughts on "the hatch: one prosaic, one metaphorical . . .

1) Prosaic:

[Note, this is not supposed to be literally true, only plausible in the context of the show]

If you take away the little glass "hatch" itself (not to mention when the light came out of it, to Locke!), and consider the general location of the island, you know what I'm reminded of? Some radioactive material containers I've actually seen pictures of, in the South Pacific (e.g. Bikini Atoll, where the U.S. set off H-bombs).

2) Metaphorical: Pandora's Box, anyone?

Either way, you can certainly see why Psychic Walt would say "Don't open it!"

Re last week's ep, and Kate: I think the "little plane" probably went into the safe deposit box, just as a place to keep the dead guy's effects (maybe in the context of a crime scene . . . though you'd think the police would have kept it in that case). I didn't see anyone use this term above, but it looked like were seeing "Katie's Childhood Sweetheart" (for whom they mutually-kept feelings, well into adulthood and their very different life paths): the little plane is like a totem to Kate, of happier times.

I really liked the "noir" feel to the first flashback scenes w/ Kate: the music, the woman-on-the-run changing her hair (I half expected Tony Perkins to show up w/ sandwiches! )

While I, too, got a happy from the final scene between Kate and Sun, it's hard to argue that Kate and Sawyer are well-suited to each other (the only doubt being whether they're a little too well-suited for each other!)

GG Looking forward to more Mira Furlan next week: make her a cast member! Out

[Culzean]

Anyone else notice the "815" reference?

After Kate and her childhood pal open the time capsule, they sit in the car and pop in a cassette tape they just dug up. We hear their voices as children, and the first thing they announce is the date they are making the recording. The date is August 15.

They all arrived on the island via Oceanic flight 815.

I think there was another reference to 815, but I can't recall. Was it the number of the safe deposit box?

RE: the safe deposit box - Kate had a key to open it, but was not the signatory. She either put the plane in the bank herself, while using a different identity that she no longer had access to. Or someone else put the plane in the bank and gave her the key (or, she stole their key).

Back to last week's episode, while listening to the tape young Kate speaks of wanting to take off and travel. Her friend says something like "You always want to run away." and she responds "You know why."

Sounds like trouble at home. Which may be a clue to Kate's original "crime" and her mothers fear of her.

Re: Kate's original crime. I get the feeling she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps someone was killed and she had both opportunity and a strong motive. Perhaps her motive was so strong that now no one will believe her when she insists that she is innocent.

[urnofosiris]

Good call on the number, that can´t be a coincidence. I think your theory about how she got in trouble is correct. That is basically what she said herself that no one would believe her. I was more than a little disappointed by the judgemental looks and the way everyone turned her back on her. Some of them have done things that can equal if not surpass Kate´s misdeeds.