Lost

[Culzean]

I had wondered about that intubation scene. On ER they all but pull in the janitors and let them have a go at it.

But, really, try the Chimay. It's a fine ale brewed by Trappist monks in Belgium. It may help to dull the senses and muddy your memories of Jack. The label says it's 9% alcohol but it sure feels stronger. I'll have to ask the Jesuits where I work if Trappists can be trusted to truthfully disclose such information.

Regarding other important matters - I wonder who Kate will share the chocolate with? My money's on Sun.

[BFR from Paris]

I noticed they are doing some sort of reverse storytelling that they did not do last year as far as I can recall (or maybe they did but it did not bother me then as it did now so it did not register on my radar).

I noticed that too, and you're right, it's not the greatest idea of all times.

Just like Jack(ass)'s wig in the first ep

[Culzean]

I re-watched episodes 1 & 2 yesterday as my better half hadn't seen them yet and noticed something else about the numbers.

In the intro of episode 1 when we see Desmond beginning his day, he goes into a medicine cabinet to give himself an injection. I did a freeze frame and it looks like those darn numbers are on all of the bottles.

A few weeks ago I had read somewhere that we would see references to the number 108, which is the sum of the six numbers added together (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42). 108 is painted on the wall amidst some graffiti. It also appears on some sort of counter that sits above the computer. After the six numbers and the execute command are entered into the computer, the counter changes to 108 00 (I think there were a couple extra 0's at the end).

Now if only I knew what any of that meant...

[FineyMcFine]

Okay, I will admit that Jack never bothered me and I used to wonder what it was about him that annoyed all y'all. However, in this week's episode, I was nearly APOPLECTIC with how stupid he was being, and how ANNOYING it was. First, he could have gotten more answers out of Desmond in the first place instead of just yelling at him and waving a gun in his face.

Then, to chase Desmond and hold a gun on him AGAIN, WTF? I was so angry at his lack of doing anything useful and just freaking out. I asked my wife why he was so het up, and she said she thought it was because it didn't fit into his worldview. To which I say: shut up, Jack, and buck up, and get with the program, and stop being such a loser.

Locke also kind of annoyed me for the opposite reason - his fanatical belief that whatever was going on was totally on the level. I think he just has a huge need to believe in something and to feel a part of something. Doesn't matter what it is.

I wonder if there's a big brouhaha next week over the food that's down in the hatch. We haven't seen much of Charlie. Wonder if he's gotten into the heroin yet.

So what do people think? Is this all a big psychology experiment, or what?

[Culzean]

Well, according to the Orientation film, they did intend to do psychological research at this facility. So who knows...

This episode did explain a few things, like how the polar bears got there and how the island can throw off a compass by having it's own version of North.

Rousseau did say the "monster" was part of the islands security. And it did try to pull Locke down to where the facility would be located.

The island sounds like a science experiment gone wrong, and possibly abandoned by its founders.

Of course, none of that explains the weird connections between the island inhabitants, or Walt's ability to make things happen.

RE: the group holding Jin, Michael and Sawyer prisoner, I'm betting they're all from the tail section.

Oh, and SallyMcFine, welcome to the I-Hate-Jack club! He really is an annoying putz.

[Warduke]

It's great to see Michelle Rodriguez again. I knew right away she was one of them when they put her in there. The guys should have known better. I also believe they are all from the tail section and not 'The Others'.

Jack was a giant asshole in this one, even more so than usual. And after all his bitching about how stupid pressing the button is, what does he do? He presses the button.

And Kate was large with the butch, yet again...nice!

As for the whole thing being a big psychology experiment, that doesn't explain the examples Culzean mentioned, and things like Locke being able to walk again.

[seurat]

I think they want us to think that it's just a psychology experiment, which means it's probably something more sinister and potentially catastrophic.
I'm geting a little tired of the flashbacks, or maybe it's just that the characters heavily featured in them so far this season, Locke and Jack (eww) are not favorites of mine. Now maybe if the flashbacks featured Kate or Shannon say, I wouldn't be spending so much time during them studying the contents of my fridge in hopes that I missed something really tasty in there.

It was great to see Michelle Rodriguez, she looks great and should make a fine addition to the cast. And maybe the writers will be nice to us and make her loathe Jack and say insulting things to him all the time. Kinda like we would if we could.

[urnofosiris]

Jack was crying again, oh he is such a deep feeling multi layered character. Give the man an oscar. I am in awe, absolute awe. I do not recall any of the characters weeping and whining as often as Jack. Did anyone take a close look at the previews for next week. Someone needs to poke his eyes out, that piece of filth. Anyway, back to this week. I do not believe the world will end if they do not push that button, but just the possibility of the island blowing up would be enough reason to keep pushing it. Who´s to say it is not linked to an atomic bomb or something. With all the weird shit going on I would not risk it either, not yet anyway.

Whatever is going on with that island, it cannot just be some experiment. That makes no sense. A 25 year old experiment cannot cause planes to break up in mid air and have people survive the fall, it cannot yank pilots from their cockpit and rip them apart and leave them in the top of a tree, it cannot move trees, it cannot make those weird numbers appear everywhere and do what it does to Hurley, it cannot cause ships to get stranded in the middle of the jungle centuries ago. People have been trapped by that island for hundreds of years. These people are all linked to each other by events that no human can control.

Locke being able to walk again is not prove of some mystical force to me though. We do not know whether he was paralysed by objective physical reasons as was suggested last season when he crashed his car or whether he was suffering from a psychiatric disorder. He clearly was going of deep end with his relentless stalking of his asshole father at the cost of a relationship with a great woman. This Helen cannot be the same one he was talking on the phone during his flashbacks last season btw. As for the flash backs in general, I am finding it a bit silly that they attempt to suggest the passing of years by giving them ridiculous hairdo´s, like Jacks toiletbrush hair last week and now Locke´s comb over again this week.

Like Jack´s flash back last week, this one did not add much news to Locke´s character and the story I think, except we know he did get lucky a few times in his life at least, but that was not the point I´m sure. Whatever message they were trying to get across, they need to take less time doing it. The flashbacks should not take up so much of the episode I think. One of the strenghts of this show for me, is the many interesting people that have been thrown together, but so far it has basically been about Locke and Jack and a little Kate (never enough) and teeny tiny bits of the rest.

As for the new developments, I am not surprised that the people who captured Jin, Saywer and Michael are from the tail section. Looks like they are feistier than our group, but then they do not have Jack as their leader making stupid decisions for them all. Considering hiding everyone in that hatch where they could be easily trapped and killed (pick your death, I´d have gone with burning) by an unknown enemy, ranks at the top of my superbly stupid ideas sanctioned by Jack list. I wonder how these two groups are going to interact, if only that enormous black guy had come across Jack by accident. Well I can still dream.

[Culzean]

Some things I liked about last nights episode:

* Hurley!

* We finally got to see more of the characters. I really like Rose.

* I liked Hurley's dream sequence, where he sees Gin (who can now speak English, oh no wait, Hurley was speaking Korean). Also liked the guy in the chicken outfit. It reminded me of the movie Donnie Darko.

* I'm glad we saw Bernard, though life looks pretty scary on that side of the island.

* I really liked it when Claire and Shannon brought the bottle to Sun, rather than Jack.


Annoying things:

* This time it was Charlie's turn to be annoying. Don't know why Hurley puts up with him, especially after that brow-beating.

* Charlie took credit for rescuing Claire's baby when speaking with Locke. All Charlie really did was follow Said, slow him down, then yell at Rousseau after Said got the baby.

PS:

I saw Naveen Andrews on the Ellen Degeneres show this week. The two were sitting on stools as the program opened, talking about Lost. Naveen asks who else is on the show? Ellen say, "Well, you, and a few others." Naveen says "Others? The Others are here?!" Then he takes off. It was cute.

[Warduke]

'Lost' Actor, Wife Robbed at Gunpoint
Thursday October 13 7:36 AM ET

Josh Holloway and his wife reportedly were robbed at gunpoint in their home. There was no indication that the robber recognized the 36-year-old actor, who plays hunky con man Sawyer on the ABC castaway drama "Lost," television station KHON reported.

The robber rousted the couple from bed early Wednesday, took cash and credit cards and drove off in Holloway's Mercedes-Benz, which was found abandoned a short time later, the station said.

Honolulu police would not release any information on the robbery.

Holloway's agent did not immediately return a call to her Los Angeles office.

[xita]

Poor Josh.

Ok, I am loving kick ass Michelle Rodriguez.. sigh. she and kate need to meet soon!

I really liked how they tricked us in the previews cause I would have cried foul if Jin was suddenly speaking English.

Poor Hurley, I hope he got to go out with that girl at least. She seemed to genuinely like him.

[urnofosiris]

I love Hurley, he is my favourite male character on the show, tied with Sayid. I must say I like Jin a lot as well. I remember hating him during the first few episodes last season and I could not imagine ever liking him as well as I do now.
Anyway, I just finished rewatching season 1 (got the DVD last week). My hatred towards Jack has grown to yet before unknown heights which seems pretty impossible, but there you have it, it is a magical island. I will barf if he softens the tough kick ass new girl and brings out her nurturing feminine side with his manly lahv. Still, anything rather than Kate, she should have kicked him in the nuts for the way he kept looking at her when she was getting out of that shower. Fucking shithead. Ok so if he were any other man I probably would not have this issue, but he is not, he is Jack and I am damn well going to rant about him whenever he shows his face, it is the only fun he offers me.

Back to Hurley, I liked his background story the best by far this season, but like the previous three, I don´t feel it offered any new insights that could not have been shown in 5 minutes or less, but I´ll take it as it was. I liked his interaction with Rose. I really like her too. In last season´s final episode Sun asked Shannon whether she thought they were on the island because they were being punished for the things they did before, the secrets they kept. It is not a strange thought to have I think, most of them have a few skeletons in their closets, though so far all seem to be good people, even Jack. I consider him to be deeply stupid and obnoxious, but he is not a bad man, not on purpose anyway. From what we have seen I can imagine everyone wondering the same thing as Sun, except for Hurley and Rose. We have seen nothing of her backstory, but I cannot imagine her being there for anything having to do with being punished for anything and the same goes for Hurley, though he blames himself for all sorts of things. I do believe Locke when he says they are not there by coincidence, they are all somehow linked to each other like a chain, but whatever the reason, punishment can´t be it.

I look forward to slowly finding out why they are there. I cannot believe they were brought there by human interference. There is nothing man made about that "security system" despite it sounds of rattling chains and Jurassic Park T-Rex howls and effects. I´ll keep saying that a cloud of black smoke can´t lift pilots out of cockpits and rip them up. That underground thing may be man made (and it looks like the tailsection survivors are living in a part of that system), but it is just a small part of the mystery, I doubt the answer lies behind that layer of concrete. I am glad Sayid mentioned Tsjernobil btw, I was thinking that maybe trying to break through that concrete without knowing what is behind it might not be such a bright idea.

[Gatito Grande]

I am glad Sayid mentioned Tsjernobil btw, I was thinking that maybe trying to break through that concrete without knowing what is behind it might not be such a bright idea.

Heh. Since you've brought that up, G (Um, don't you mean "Chernobyl"? All hail 'merkin' transliterations! ), I think it only fair I mention this

consider the general location of the island, you know what I'm reminded of? Some radioactive material containers I've actually seen pictures of, in the South Pacific (e.g. Bikini Atoll, where the U.S. set off H-bombs).

GG That would be Yours Truly, circa April Out

(Could we maybe get a Sun-centric ep? Cuz that would give me a happy!)

[urnofosiris]

Hi Gatito, you are in luck, yesterday I found myself in the middle of a debate about the spelling of names in other languages and spelling in general so I am quite into the subject right now.
I did mean Tsjernobil. I was and am aware that in English it is spelled differently, if this city had been located in the US or the UK or any other country with English as it´s first language I would have gone through the effort of checking it´s English spelling, but in this case I did not feel like it, just like I don´t want to call Antwerpen ´Antwerp´ (believe me it has come up), so I chose the Dutch spelling (I could have opted for Tsjernobyl too btw) as it is just as readable in English as your version. Now if I had been really anally retentive about being correct I would have said ????????? (bless the internet). If there are any Ukranian kittens here you may feel free to correct me if that is wrong and I just copied and pasted a really nasty swearword.

Of course I realize that seeing as we are all writing in English it would be consistent to write every word in English, you´d have a fair point there and perhaps your transliteration comes closer to the original version than mine, but then you really can´t compare the two, your ´ch´ is my ´g´ which for you is prounced ´gee´ but in Dutch ´ch´ and ´g´ can sound the same (to you probably something like the sound you´d make if you get a fish bone stuck in the back of your throat). So anyway, I think that my ´tsj´ is still recognizable as your ´ch´ so I figured what the hell. As this is an international board, I think there is room for some leeway, especially when it comes to names and places from other people´s countries which is usually spelled ´wrong´ by us foreigners anyway, though you English speaking folks do spell Amsterdam correctly I might add, but ´The Hague´ is just silly. Thank you for the opportunity for letting me get that last one of my chest. I would never have been able to work it into a conversation if not for this.

Now back to your regular scheduled programming.

[Hemiola]

Yes, DrG, international transliterations and pronunciations are indeed a fascinating subject...

As a regular listener to the French news broadcasts (French is my second language, being half Canadian), it was a source of great entertainment to me during the coverage of the Hurricane to hear all the names of the places in Lousiana pronounced with their correct French names instead of some of the often hilarious American variants!

And don't even get me started on the way the inhabitants of Indiana pronounce the name of the town of Terre Haute!

[Culzean]

Oh, you've got me curious - what is the correct spelling of "The Hague?"

[urnofosiris]

Ok you asked for it and you will get more than you bargained for.

In Dutch it is called "Den Haag"
"Den" means "the" and "Haag" means "hedge". Now I understand it is a tad difficult to pronounce "Haag" in English (the fishbone in the throat "g" is hard for you, but you should know how we suffer and lose spit over "th"), so I understand the phonetic change to Hague, but why change "Den"? If they translate "Den" (which is easy to pronounce) to "the", I really think they should be consistent and change "Haag" to "Hedge", so that would make it The Hedge instead of The Hague. Of course if you have to ask the way to The Hedge, you´d never get there, but it would be amusing.

Oh, I just looked up how Den Haag is spelled in other languages, maybe Hemiola (so how do they pronounce Terre Haute? ) or French kittens can verify this, but apparently the French have literally translated Den Haag and call it La Haye (Haie).
Btw, it´s fancy old fashioned name is " ´s Gravenhage ", literally translated "the count´s hedge". Seeing as it is such a mouthful it got shortened back to Den Haag, too bad really, it might have been fun to see how ´s Gravenhage would be renamed in English or listen to you trying to pronounce it.

Most fascinating what kind of discussions a show like Lost can inspire, hehe, but it is sort of on topic for that show even. They have certainly had a few translating issues.

[Hemiola]

Hi DrG**waves**

The way they pronounce it, it comes out something like "Terra Hut".

Talk about hard to pronounce, how about the name of the painter Van Gogh (sounded to me something like "Van Chchchochchch" when I was in Holland).

Another one of my favorite translations/transformations is the English name of the Italian port of Livorno, which becomes "Leghorn".

[BFR from Paris]

Oh, I just looked up how Den Haag is spelled in other languages, maybe Hemiola or French kittens can verify this, but apparently the French have literally translated Den Haag and call it La Haye (Haie).

Yes, that is correct

[Culzean]

AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Three weeks until the next new Lost????

I miss proper seasons. When all the new episodes were shown at once, then repeats in the summer. Those were the days....

Did anyone understand what Gin said to Michael when they were standing at the waterfall and he and Mr. Echo were trying to talk Michael into coming with them? I couldn't make it out.

Another mystery apparently solved. I guess it was someone in the tail section talking to Boone right before he died.

That scene with the teddy bear was creepy.

We had an entertainment show on last night, and they did a piece on Lost. They showed a scene from the first season, with Walt walking around the plane wreckage. They pointed out what appears to be the outline of a large Dharma logo on a piece of the plane. Interesting....

[Tarafied4Life]

I had to turn on the closed captioning to catch what Jin said to Michael. CC said it was "you find Walt." [which I'm guessing was broken english for you'll find Walt.]

[Culzean]

Thank you!!!!

[Tarafied4Life]

My pleasure - I was watching it on tape, so I listened to it a dozen times and still couldn't figure it out - god bless CC!

[Hemiola]

As I see it, in many ways the Sun/Jin love story is the most romantic on the series!

Perhaps one of our Korean posters can confirm this: it appears that the Korean word for "yes" is "neh". Why is this interesting? Because it's exactly the same word in Greek! Odd, no? In most Western languages, words beginning with "n" are negative (e.g. no, non, nein, nyet, etc. etc. etc.)

I'm really starting to wonder who the "Others" are--why are they such vicious killers? Are they indigenous to the island?? Why did they kidnap Walt???

[Culzean]

What's really bugging me is the relationship between Ethan, Rousseau and Claire's baby.

It seems that Ethan was one of the Others. In last night's episode, Mr. Echo mentioned that the Others don't leave tracks behind. In season one, Locke mentioned that Ethan knew more about tracking and hunting than he did. Plus, he was really creepy.

Ethan is the one who kidnapped Charlie and Claire. But when Claire saw Rousseau, and the scratches on her arms, she remembered that she was the one who scratched Rousseau, presumably during the time she was kidnapped.

Yet, Rousseau is clearly not one of the Others.

I'm lost! (No pun intended).

[urnofosiris]

I enjoyed this episode, the Jin/Sun storyline has never failed to interest me and this was a very sweet history. I wonder not just why they kidnapped Walt but why they did not do it sooner. They could have easily taken him long before instead of having to pick him up somewhere on the ocean. Why did they kill almost everyone from the tail section and hardly anyone from ´our´ group. Why did they apparently lose interest in Claire and her baby?
I wanted to bitch slap Michael for running away into the jungle half cocked yelling for Walt. Yes I can understand very well how upset he is over the kidnap of his son, but running after a bunch of vicious killers, risking not just himself but his friends as well (he would know Jin would come after him) annoyed the hell out of me. A fat lot of good he would be to Walt if they had decided to slaughter his daddy. Moron.
Lastly, I hate the cliffhangery preview and the spoiler it relates to, if it turns out to be correct I will be disgusted to say the least.

[seurat]

I haven't commented on the last couple of ep's, so let me start by saying I liked the Hurley-centric ep. The flashbacks in that one were the best so far, I like that actor who played his work buddy (one of those guys I see all the time and appreciate) and I liked the girl in the store he's crushing on. Too bad we know that with Hurley's luck nothing good will come of that.

This week was good too, altho I'm not as much of a fan of the Sun/Jin storyline as some are, it was still better than seeing more of the usual choices, especially Jack. Hardly any Jack in this ep too, so it gets points for that. I do like Ana Lucia, I think she will be an intersting character, and it is apparent that they setting up some sort of thing between her and Sawyer. And now we know Kate likes Sawyer, so that should be fun. And anything is better than her liking Jack.

As for that spoiler, I've seen it too and if it turns out to be true then I may not have to worry about making time for this show anymore on a night that has a couple of other very good shows.

[BFR from Paris]

My pleasure - I was watching it on tape, so I listened to it a dozen times and still couldn't figure it out - god bless CC!

that's funny, I understood it the first time
3 weeks to wait... the next episode better be good (so far, my favorite was number 4 - and not because of the Kate shower scene )

[Gatito Grande]

As for that spoiler, I've seen it too and if it turns out to be true

Ack! I'm completely unspoiled on this show (thus far this season), and now you go torturing me w/ stuff like this . . .

Well, I got the Sun-centric ep I wanted! I'm still not completely sold on Jin . . . but the performances by "the Kims" were EXCELLENT! (Sigh: whenever Sun and Kate have a scene together, I just want it to go on and on . . . )

GG Oh well: I can hang on for almost any spoiler, I think. As long as nothing bad happens to Vincent!!! Out

[xita]

Boo, hiss! I liked Shannon. Why don't they kill Charlie or Jack? And why must shows feel like they have to kill people in order to seem real. Fuck that. And also the episode was boring, and also they telegraphed the shot, I knew exactly how this would go down because of the "what are you gonna do with one gun and one bullet." Um... kill shannon. I am kinda disappointed with Lost this season, 1. not enough Kate. 2. Not enough Kate. And now this boo hiss.