Gilmore Girls

[seurat]

I was happy to see Luke/Lorelai back together again, but not entirely satisfied with the way it happened. Emily's speech was in character, but with the buildup it got I was expecting a little more from the scene. Amy didn't write the script this week however, maybe that explains it. I did think this ep was well plotted though, and I was really impressed with Richard in this one. He does know how to deal with his daughter and his wife reasonably well, altho as you mentioned Ben, Emily had to charge off and deal with the problem herself right away anyway. It was fun to see Richard and Lorelai interacting so well, and I like his "criminal genius" line. My other favorite has to be Lane's rant at Mrs. Kim 'You're in my head!". With no Paris in this one Lane got the comic relief role, with help from Sookie and Kirk. They did alright but I dId miss Paris. I also liked Rory's book buying addiction, I'm afraid much the same thing happened to me when I worked in a bookstore for awhile.

I notice that the actor who plays Jess, Milo what's-his-name, has been cast in a major role in an upcoming WB series, which hopefully lessens the peril of us having to watch him on this show again. (And maybe on the other show he will get a chance to develop a likeable character.)

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[Garner]

I really liked the last ep. For one that was not written by Amy it was amazingly amusing. I loved surly Luke and especially him tossing people out of the dinner. I found it very revealing that Luke was so upset and unhappy with the situation and that was well done. The confrontation between Rory and her grandmother was well done too and also sort of amusing. I especially liked Emily's little snit with Richard about how he was the favorite and her attacking the flowers. I also agree that Richard got to shine this ep. He dealt with his wife well, kept lines open with Lorelai and helped her with the insurance and I think gained some new respect for her on how the inn looked, and yeah the criminal genius stuff was a great line. My only reservation about the final conversation between Emily and Luke is that I wonder if it was all that it appeared to be? I wouldn't be surprised if Richard and Emily have some plot that will become apparent later. I suppose Emily could have done it on her own, but Richard seemed like he had a plan. I am glad Luke and Lorelai are back together though, and hope that sticks though I am sure there will be other problems.



So I see no one mentioned Logan and Rory. I liked there parts though they weren't in it that much. I find it interesting that Logan came back early and that Rory was willing to head back too. It is a good sign that Rory and Lorelai are talking more openly too. The book job was cool and I sympathize with her job costing her a fortune. I am assistant manager at a comic/game shop (among other things) and know the problem well!



No, this was a good ep. Lot's of little amusing things like the rat bastard laundry, the twenty on the refridge, Lane going up to her mom, all the sort of quirky little things that helped make the show so funny. And Kirk was cool in Luke's as well. We'll see how things go next week. I am still waiting for some horrible Rory/Logan fight that will send him packing, which is too bad as the more we see of him the more I like him. At least this week I am not dieing to see the next episode already,



Garner

[urnofosiris]

I liked the episode, it had many really witty moments, some very brief but memorable. Lane yelling at her mom is one, but Rory´s ´not in front of the books´ line was my favorite. Rory does not make me laugh that often, but she had me there. It was very well delivered. I liked how she stood up against Emily. I am glad that they are not dragging out the seperation too long, but I´m sure trouble has not left paradise yet. I am looking forward to the next episode, curious to see where they will pick up the story and how it continues.

[Ben Varkentine]

I liked this episode a lot, and I'm a little surprised that I did. After last week I was hoping for/expecting a lot of Luke & Lorelei relationship talk.



But you know what? I appreciated an episode almost totally free of relationship angst, or at least their relationship angst. And in some ways, can't most of us imagine what happened after that kiss a lot better than they could show us?



Now, as for the relationship angst there was...I'm slowly thawing on the subject of Rory/Logan. But I could still use about one less scene with them each week, especially if Lane & Paris got a scene instead.



Speaking of: Does anyone else think it would be fun to see those two intereact a little more? They're probably Rory's two best friends, but other than Lane's annoying her when she was staying at Yale, they don't have much of a relationship at all.



Two more things. Can I just say how wow-hubba Lorelei's dress was, and how much I've missed Rory's schoolgirl skirt?



And, to any of you also living in Seattle: That sound you heard after Lorelei's "shut up!" was me saying "Yes!" about a half a dozen times.

Edited by: Warduke at: 3/9/05 12:07 am

[Incarnadine]

I thought tonights' episode was pretty good overall. No big issues but lots of small entertaining bits and seeing Rory dressed up as Go-Go Yubari is in and of itself enough to make this a good episode.

Veronica Mars: Look at you, all helpful.

Logan Echols: Hey, your peskiness being unleashed on Conner brings me joy. Annoy, tiny blonde one, annoy like the wind!

[seurat]

Another good ep, and still not written by Amy so obviously the other writers are hitting the mark regularly this year. No great lines to remember though, except maybe Lorelai's 'shut up" to Emily and that only because I'm not sure she has ever told her mother off that directly before. Kelly Bishop's shocked expression was perfect. I also liked her reluctance to remove Lorelai's place setting, despite all the miserable things she has done it was still a poignant moment. There were a lot of nice little touches in this ep, like Luke's putting his hand on hers for a moment after the confrontation with Emily.



Yes, we could have used some Paris and Lane, and maybe a little less Kirk, but you can't have everything in every ep. I did enjoy Lulu's one little scene, and Michel was good in this ep too. I agree that it would be fun to see Paris and Lane together more often, maybe they'll find a way to get them together again soon. And yes, my highlight of the ep was Rory as GoGo, I love that character. She even had the weapon of choice, but not the homicidal nature thankfully. As for Logan/Rory, usually I can hear the clock loudly ticking on her relationships as if was within the belly of the crocodile that was after Captain Hook, but this time it's hard to tell how this is going to go. What do you think Garner? Do you hear the clock ticking yet?

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

Edited by: seurat at: 3/9/05 1:35 pm

[Incarnadine]

So many good lines, even Kirk had one that made me laugh:



"I had an imaginary girlfriend....she left me." -- Kirk



Here's a nice cap from the episode that was posted at ACH.







On a side note I can't wait to see Alexis in "Sin City" soon, such a departure from her GG role and the poster featuring her looks awesome.

Veronica Mars: Look at you, all helpful.

Logan Echols: Hey, your peskiness being unleashed on Conner brings me joy. Annoy, tiny blonde one, annoy like the wind!

Edited by: Incarnadine at: 3/9/05 1:55 pm

[Garner]

seurat, I will come out and say, if I haven't, that I like Rory/Logan. Not anywhere near W/T of course, but they are an interesting couple, and so far he seems like the best she's been with on any level, though Dean was probably nicer all around. Since I like them, I assume that something dreadful will happen sometime soon. Perhaps I am too cynical. I just expect Logan to cross that line into smary, too sophisticated, too full of himself or stuck up or something. I could really see Lorelai taking a big dislike to Logan as someone from the enviornment that she grew up in, the privilege, wealth, contacts, all the advantages, and who seems to have escaped some of the downfalls of being too snootty, acting all better than the rest, arrogant and all that. In fact he could be her opposite, someone who made the 'system' or class work for them and who rises above it instead of rebels against the hollowness and falseness. Or he'll be the complete jackass I expect him to turn into when they decide Rory shouldn't be with him anymore and should move on to Marty, who is totally blase and not interesting. So, yeah, I hear that clock! And I did say that I thought Logan would end up being less OK about the dating others thing than Rory, or would at least come to change his tune.



I liked the episode and for me four parts not mentioned stick out: Luke and Lorelai in Luke's at the start was nice; Lorelai telling Luke not to hit the raccoon with the shovel because they are cute and all that and then at the first sound saying "Shovel him, shovel him" (or it, I forget which); Luke's whine "Oh jeeeeze" after Lorelai tells him they are responsible for Kirk; and finally Lorelai's face when she gets the cell call and hears her mother going off on Luke. That moment of confusiona nd looking around then understanding was priceless and Lauren Graham did a great job with that.



I would have liked some Paris, maybe a bit more Lane, Kirk was OK, I actually was not as much behind the Micheal scenes, he seemed less funny than usual and a bit more whiney, but that's just me. Normally I love his bits. Rory and Logan can be a bit boring, too realistic and not quite with that humorous edge the rest of the show has. Except for the part in the cafeteria at night, that was amusing. Maybe that's the problem with Rory/anyone, they usually are too serious and not amusing enough, whereas with Logan at least some humor creeps in? That might be why he works the best for me so far.



Anyway, a good non-Amy ep. It was nice to see less angst for a change, good switch of pacing. And even Emily got a little 'human' moment, which is why she is never a one dimensional character.



The biggest problem with this ep? No freakin' previews for next week so we probably get a rerun! Argh!



Garner

[Garner]

Did anyone else catch that there will be new episodes in two weeks, I think that's Tuesday 19 April, or that week. And there wer previews too! Actually it looks like Rory and Logan might be split up by Logan's parents. With the idea she isn't good enough for him, or his family. Now that is a route I never would have expected. If what the previews showed is accurate, they were awfully fast.



Garner

[seurat]

I missed the previews Garner, so you're way ahead of me I'm afraid. There are no new spoilers at GG.org either, but the new ep's do start on the 19th and since I'm pretty sure the last new one was #17 we should be getting about five more this season. Maybe the parents will try to split up her and Logan and he'll surprise us by standing up to them. We can hope anyway.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[Garner]

Well the latest ep was interesting. I like that we got one that wasn't exactly a heavy relationship ep, per se, though obviously they factored in. It was really good to have Paris and Lane figure more prominently in the show again. I am a bit surprised that Logan is ignoring Rory right now after the big jealousy from the Tarantino party ep, and then coming back early the following one. I hope there is a better reason than he just decided to ignore her. It was a good solid ep and hopefully the next one will be equally as cool. I do have to say I particularly liked barefoot, drunk, Paris trying to bum change from people on the street. Very amusing.



Garner

[seurat]

I liked last night's ep, but I did have a couple of problems with it. Problem #1: way, way too much Taylor. Did I blink and miss something, how did he get to be head busybody again? He is almost annoying enough to take over as my alltime least favorite GG character from Jess. Less Taylor in future please. Problem #2: I didn't like the closing shot of Rory crying in Lorelai's lap over some boy. Again. Hasn't she grown beyond this, at least when it comes to your basic relationship issues? Maybe it's just me, but I didn't buy it.



Lots of good things though, loved the museum (minus Taylor's part in it) and even though I knew with unwavering certainty what they were going to do when the spotlight fell on Joseph the "born without speech" boy they still made me laugh out loud. Twice. Loved seeing Carole King, and the punch party was hysterical. Paris was wonderful, its always fun when they get her into Stars Hollow. Best line of the night prize has to go to Rory's line about Kirk's age ("We'd have to cut him open and count the rings.") Also really liked her Punch makes you thirsty line., and Kirk's cereal fort. Finally it was sweet that Lorelai would choose to spike the story rather than publicly humiliate her mother, and that Luke has a house in mind for Lorelai and himself. And for the record I think Dean's theory about himself and Rory was correct, but he's wrong about Luke and Lorelai.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

Edited by: seurat at: 4/21/05 12:24 am

[Ben Varkentine]

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I read that more as Lorelai knowing that if the story appeared she'd have to put up with a humiliated Emily, and this way she could keep her at a nice distance a little longer.

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for the record I think Dean's theory about himself and Rory was correct, but he's wrong about Luke and Lorelai.

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For the record I agree with you, but I think Luke's self estreem could be helped a lot by Lorelai using those three little words that, unless I missed it, she's never told him.

Ben



"We are strong now/Put down the ammunition/For what we know is right/Is gonna breakdown this division"

--Erasure, "It Doesn't Have To Be"

[Garner]

I have to agree that Rory crying over Logan seemed a bit overdone, but I put that off to her being drunk and in a negative mood, thus affecting her more than she normally should. I wonder a bit more at Paris being that put out by Doyle not calling. I always thought of Paris as stronger and more independent than that. This seems like a bit of a shift for her. On the Taylor thing, I also wondered a little bit about why he was directing the town meeting not Jackson, but, I also saw that the guy who plays Jackson was directing the episode (since this is not a Whedon effort cast can actually do stuff like that) so maybe that's why he wasn't shown as being in charge. I still would have liked a comment by someone about Taylor being back in charge and longing for Jackson to be available or back in town from wherever or something like that.



Personally I don't dislike Taylor that much and found his spin on the various Star's Hollow diaorama sections to be pretty funny, especially the '60s stuff. The problem with Taylor this time was that Luke had to kowtow to him and not give him hell. Taylor is a wonderful foil for getting just grief due to his narrow mind and arrogance, but we did see an awful lot of him this time.



And for the record I agree with everyone else that I don't see Dean's comments applying to Luke and Lorelai. Lorelai isn't going anywhere beyond the town. She has a great job, a home there, loves the town, and fits in it and Luke fits her perfectly. The whole show has definitely shown that, even when they fight or were going out with other people. Rory on the other hand hasn't decided what it is exactly that she wants to do, what her life will be, and does have the chance to experience bigger things if she chooses. She might come back to the town and Dean, she might be able to get him out of there too, but right now she does have eyes abroad while Dean doesn't and I think he is just seeing the same with the others without really looking at their situation.



I am looking forward to seeing what the fallout between Rory and Logan is next week.



Garner

[urnofosiris]

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Ditto. I find him far too annoying to be funny nowadays, that was not always the case.

I was unpleasantly surprised to see Dean again, his little analysis about him and Rory and Luke and Lorelai seemed more intended to hurt Luke than anything else. As far as Luke and Lorelai are concerned what he said makes no sense. It has been made pretty clear over the years that Lorelai is happy in that town and no matter what was going on in her life the one place she always ended up in was Luke´s diner. Lorelai and that town belong together, they are both wacky. If the town is all Luke is, then he and Lorelai are a match made in Stars Hollow. If she had not thought it to be enough, she would have been long gone. Dean is a bore, so he and Luke, not the same thing. I hope this is not the prelude to more Luke/Lorelai angst.



Aside from Dean and Taylor I enjoyed the episode. It was a long wait, but well worth it. The scenes with Rory, Lane and Paris were precious. I wonder where Paris ended up though.

[Garner]

I cannot believe no one has said anything about this week's episode yet! IT RULED! I think this is my favorite ep from this season so far. Or at least the best I can remember in awhile, but then is was an ASP one, so no surprise there.

Let's see, the Luke in the kitchen stuff and Sookie checking on him was very amusing. I even think that Luke's rant about he'd had it but wasn't going to do anything about it sounded like he'd been going out with Lorelai too long and though maybe, kinda, out of character, worked too well and I could see some of that Gilmore speech/rant rubbing off on him. I also really liked the stuff with Logan and Rory. The one, and only, complaint I have with the ep was that Rory seemed a little too slack jawed yokel while seeing Logan's parent's house. I mean she has been to Richard and Emily's place and did go to Chilton. While the Huntzberger place is impressive, I could have used a little less of her gosh gee willy talk. Otherwise it was good to see Logan both defend her and then come back in the end. I have to say that I think Lorelai is right and Logan won't be able to handle being a boyfriend and committing to one person, but I suppose we'll see. Actually I have a theory on how this will turn out...

I found Mr. Huntzberger's offer for the internship interesting and while he is right, it doesn't matter why or how you got the opportunity, you have to take it and make your mark. You'll succeed or fail on your merits. Getting a foot in the door is a tough thing and who you know is so important. All that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he offered her this to get her out of the way and distant from Logan. That would effectively keep them apart and end any threat of her marrying into the family. And I did love that whole, "But I'm a Gilmore!!" thing, that was pretty cool. So my theory is, if Logan can handle the boyfriend role, that this might be what breaks them up.

So, great ep. and next week's ep looks cool too. Emily and Richard should love Logan and he should be their ideal mate for Rory. This looks like it should be good.

Garner

[seurat]

Hey Garner, your comments are in line with what I thought about this ep. I don't think I liked it quite as much as you, but I was very happy with it. My immediate thought when Mr. Huntzberger offered her the internship was that it was an obvious bribe. He sold it really well though, so I can't entirely rule out that his motives are good. Not entirely, but looking at his family it isn't likely either. I actually liked Rory's somewhat awed response to the house and the Velasquez (and I suspect what was meant to be a Canoletto on the other wall - I'm an art geek, sorry) and liked even more her anger at the Gilmore name being not good enough,although I suspect it's Lorelai that the family looks down on. Loved the way they just dropped into the conversation the idea that she hadn't been "bred" to be in this family and the fact that she wants to work disqualifying her from marriage consideration. Too bad Luke wasn't around to go after them.

Speaking of Luke, his battle with Sookie over control of the menu was the highlight of the ep for me, and I also really enjoyed the opening with the news about Paris and her encounter with local law enforement and her hangover reactons in general. Also liked her stuff with Doyle, the pre-med jokes and the return of Nanny which resulted in some funny moments (Rory (off camera) "My room is so clean!" ) I still don't know where they're going to go with Rory/Logan but I'm still enjoying them together so I'm glad they haven't broken them up. Not yet anyway.

[urnofosiris]

I saw the episode last night and it was certainly amusing enough. I am glad Paris was there in the house and not just disappeared back to the dorm or whatever. Whereas I do not buy her and Doyle at all, I liked the stuff with the nanny. Luke ranting at Lorelai was funny, I am glad there was no angst there. As for Rory/Logan, I can´t say that I care which way they go, but I did not see their rejection of Rory as her not being good enough. They made it sound like she is too good actually. Apparently they want a nice little token wife who looks pretty, does not think too much for herself and smokes when she is stressed.

[Garner]

I have to disagree with DrG on what they objected to in Rory. It is her upbringing that is at fault, in their view. She hasn't been brought up to live in a rich, high society world. Yes, she has the Gilmore pedigree, but just the fact that she intends to 'gasp' work, is enough to show poor upbringing. As a rich blue blood wife she has a role that is similar to Emily's to live up to and take over, which is not the same as a trophy wife, either. The family name demands that various social functions and activities be done that a working wife can't do. If Rory were brought up right she'd know that. The real interesting point would be if Logan himself expects his wife to do that or not. He probably hasn't thought about it much, but whether he will live up to the family name, riches and expectations or be the eccentric is a good route the show could go. If they stay together of course, which I don't expect as I like them together too much for that to happen. And having both Lorelai and Rory in a stable (at least relatively) relationship is probably highly unlikely.

I also liked the Nanny and premed stuff too. And Luke's battle was awesome. The lack of angst was a nice change. Hopefully this week's will live up to the amusement value the previews hint at.

Garner

[urnofosiris]

This week´s episode is not one to remember as far as I´m concerned. The highlight was the opening scene with Paris and that was it for me. I guess Dean was being a regular Nostradamus a few weeks ago. Now suddenly we have Lorelai wishful thinking about travelling around the world. Yeah, right.

[seurat]

I expect they are just toying with us on the travelling G, I don't seriously think Lorelai would choose that over Luke and being there for Rory on her frequent trips back to Stars Hollow. This was just an average ep for me, not bad but not memorable either. The meal with Richard and Emily went about the way I expected, I did enjoy the conversation between Loreali and Emily on the phone and thought Emily's treatment of her later was entirely in character. I enjoyed seeing Taylor trapped under the mannequins, too bad they couldn't have left him there for a couple more ep's. I expect these last couple of ep's will be written by Amy or Dan and should be a lot better. I notice that they have agreed to run the show again next season assuming GG is renewed, and that the WB has given them a firm order for six ep's of s new show of their choice. Presumably not the Jess horror. I wonder if it will be related to GG at all.

[urnofosiris]

I guess you are right. It is not as if this show would work with Lorelai circling the globe. I just find Lorelai´s interest in spreading her wings (with help of her father no less) somewhat out of the blue (Dean´s little speech aside) and lacking any subtlety as a set up for more (unwanted by me) Luke/Lorelai angst.

[Garner]

I agree this was a so-so episode. It had its moments, Paris at the start, Logan making the loud noise and saying he should have left the window open, Lorelai and her mother on the phone, Richard and Emily overreacting to not having known about the previous dinner, those were all pretty good. And that's about the right dose of Taylor too. This felt a bit too much like a setup episode for later on. I did like Logan taking the box and replacing it with the lighter, that is a pretty amusing Life and Death Brigade stunt and it says a lot that most don't notice when he does it, and that Emily almost instantly did. Not sure what it says, but it says something (either Emily is more materially based or is just more aware of her surroundings), and I liked that part. I don't think Lorelai will ever understand that aspect of Logan. I also sympathize with him on the "not living up to your potential" aspect of his relationship with his parents. Actually there is part of Lorelai's past that is like that with her father too. Anyway, I still expect a breakup/blow up at the end of the season.

As for the sudden urge to travel, I sort of thought that was a bit leftfield and there just to confirm Dean's statement or throw some fire on the Luke/Lorelai relationship. Truth is, they are too perfect for each other and finding a ton of conflict for them should be hard. Now if Lorelai is truly pregnant (and I am just going off the trailer for next week here) that could get really interesting. And I could see Logan crashing the boat at sea and drowning leaving just Rory alive. Again, speculation. Anyway, I can also see Lorelai wanting to travel, they did backpack across Europe after all, and this being the first time she actually had the chance. I don't think she'd like it in the long run, or that it would keep her from Luke, but I can see her entertaining the idea at least. Whether she likes it or not, she is from the Gilmore's world, and her horizons should be a bit wider than Luke's.

Good news that ASP and DP are going to stay with the show. Their eps are always the best and losing them would kill the show. On the downside, I hate the idea they will be working on some other show while this one is still going on.

Garner

[Ben Varkentine]

NPR is running an interview with ASP today; if you follow this link--

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4631902

-- you can either find out when & where it's airing in your area, or listen to it online if you have Windows Media or Real Audio.

[Garner]

What, no comments on this week's episode yet? For shame! Well, I will admit for a DP episode it wasn't exceptionally funny or remarkable, though it wasn't bad either. I really liked ranting Luke, that was amusing. The bit with the town elders was sort of out of left field and a bit too star warsy, but was still allright. I did like that Kirk had saved up so much money from his 15,000 jobs, that was nice. Sookie getting Jackson snipped was a bit abrupt. I don't know if I'd like quite that sudden demand/order, though I understand not wanting another kid. Speaking of which, the pregnancy stuff didn't do much for me, but I'm male and I've been told that females go through more hell waiting to find out than males do. Or so I've been told. The Emily and the dancer stuff was pretty good, though. Lorelai was just the right shade of appalled, that worked well. Rory certainly doesn't trust Logan much, and while she probably has every right not to, that can't be good in the long run, though I will admit she was obviously in a bad mood at the time, but it has come up before.

The big thing is obviously Mr. Huntzberger's claim that Rory doesn't have what it takes. Interesting. I am unsure if he means that or is just trying to mould her into an acceptable wife for Logan and discourage her thoughts of working. I mean he did have a few points, Rory is good at doing what she is told, is smart and all that, but does seem to not think about putting herself out on the limb, going the extra mile, and all those other cliches. She can be aggressive once she realizes she should be, but it usually takes something to get her into that mode. However, she is just a sophmore and an intern, she is young enough that he could have just approached it as a "at this point you need to be more aggressive and dynamic and forceful," rather than saying she doesn't have it. She's young and still has time to become those things. So I am not sure if he was sabotaging her or not.

Since my predictions are always wrong, I tend to worst case scenario, and since Logan is obviously not dead or lost at sea, my guess is that Rory and Logan got caught and she's either in jail or being held by the Coast Guard. And it seems to me that she's overreacting in the previews. Yeah, she's got a bit of a wake up call, but that's no reason to drop everything. I guess we'll see next week. My other prediction is Luke proposes to Lorelai, and that she says 'no,' or 'I'm not ready.' But as I said I'm usually wrong or thinking worst case.

An interesting episode without being spectacular, and no Paris, which was too bad. I hope we see her next week.

Garner

[seurat]

Well, I didn't comment on this ep earlier because I was still amazed by the VM season finale that I watched the same night and maybe it made this ep of GG seem more mediocre than it deserved. I enjoyed Logan in this one, but that will just make me even more irked when the breakup we're all anticipating does occur. Which might be soon by the look of the previews. On the positive side, Lorelai is not pregnant and Luke did get the house. I expect you're right about the proposal but I can't imagine Lorelai saying an outright no, the I'm not ready answer is likely though. Or they could make her answer a cliffhanger for next season.

I agree entirely with what you said about Sookie, as much as I loved someone I wouldn't meekly walk over and have a vasectomy without even getting a chance to think about it. (I'm not sure I'm happy about a hospital that would do one under those circumstances either.) At the same time I support her decision to cut off the procreation parade that Jackson planned, I just would like to have seen some more discussion. I liked the elder's meeting altho I do wonder where they've been all this time. Kirk was ok and Taylor was lees painful than usal, but I did miss Paris and Lane. I hope they're not planning to create a lot more angst and drama on the show again, I like my GG to be funny and at least reasonably happy.

Finally I was surprised by what Huntsberger said to Rory, it didn't even occur to me that he might have said it to disuade Rory from being a career woman, you might have something there. She could certainly be more forceful but clearly she was doing a great job at the paper and we know she can write. Obviously Logan doesn't trust his father to treat her fairly, so I suspect he's not going to be shocked by the speech whne her finds about it. I hope Amy writes next week's finale, the show has been very good this year and I trust her to end it on a high note.

[ringwaldoeuvre]

I'm new to this thread, but am certainly not a new Gilmore Girls fan. I wanted to throw in a few observations on this season, and the finale. Since a lot has happened, I will throw said observations in no particular order.

I am a little perplexed at Richard and Emily's reaction to Rory's decision. It seems inconsistent with their characters, and their general attitude to Rory's education. Since it was an ASP episode, I am not sure I can cough it up to sloppy writing. Have they actually softened in their old age? Are they trying to handle Rory in a manner they wish they had used with teenage Lorelai? Richard does have a soft spot for Rory, but it seems antithetical to his feelings about her Yale education. Could someone enlighten me?

Jackson getting a vasectomy? Wah? I am not sure which disturbs me more: that Sookie just expected him to do it, or that he actually did it.

Paris. I love me some Paris. A season finale without Paris is a season finale without sunshine. Or at least, a very surly sunshine.

I am ambivalent about Logan. As much as I think he's a smarmy jerk, he does seem to genuinely care about Rory. They haven't really given us much to make us trust him, but he does seem be a better version of Jess. He's smart, quick-witted, gets into trouble, and his personality fits Rory. As much as I like Dean, I don't think he was right for Rory. Logan seems like the best, thus far. Need I talk about how bad Jess was?

Rebecca Rand Kirshner's episodes have been spotty. Her most recent, co-written with someone else, was fairly boring. I have not seen Jane Espenson pen any episodes, but both she and RRK are listed as producers.

Lorelai's possibility of selling the Inn and becoming a consultant is frustrating, yet I can see why it would be in character. Lorelai has always been flighty, and now that she attained her goal, it must be gratifying to have someone praise her and offer something "bigger." Yet, I liked Michel calling her attention to the "Uh, what about us?" question.

[Ben Varkentine]

Cool screenname, ringwaldoeuvre.

I am a little perplexed at Richard and Emily's reaction to Rory's decision. It seems inconsistent with their characters, and their general attitude to Rory's education. Since it was an ASP episode, I am not sure I can cough it up to sloppy writing. Have they actually softened in their old age? Are they trying to handle Rory in a manner they wish they had used with teenage Lorelai? Richard does have a soft spot for Rory, but it seems antithetical to his feelings about her Yale education. Could someone enlighten me?

This is just my opinion, but I think Richard and Emily's decision had a lot to do with the fact that Rory has always been something of a trophy which they fight with Lorelei over, to them.

They want to bring her back into their world, the world Lorelei rejected when she was a teenager, and out of the world she made for herself and Rory.

It may also be that they think the reason the Hunzbergers think Rory is "not good enough" is because she didn't have the Proper Gilmore Upbringing.

Jackson getting a vasectomy? Wah? I am not sure which disturbs me more: that Sookie just expected him to do it, or that he actually did it.

Over on GilmoreGirls.org we got into a discussion about whether you could tell, if you didn't know, that Gilmore Girls is a show run by a woman. I think that answered it.

Paris. I love me some Paris.

You and me both, sister, or brother as the case may be (at this distance, who can tell?). I'm a big fan of Liza Weil, so much so that I have fantasies of her playing the lead in this screenplay I'm working on.

Lorelai's possibility of selling the Inn and becoming a consultant is frustrating, yet I can see why it would be in character. Lorelai has always been flighty, and now that she attained her goal, it must be gratifying to have someone praise her and offer something "bigger." Yet, I liked Michel calling her attention to the "Uh, what about us?" question.

I liked that too, but the thing is, with Lorelei losing her connection with Rory (however temporarily, we hope), for the first time in 20 years she's in a position to do something because she wants to, without having to think about how it will affect Rory.

I'm guessing Luke's response to the proposal (about which, BTW: ) will be something along the lines of asking Lorelei to go away for a few months (like say the time between seasons), try this new job, and make sure she wants to be with him and isn't just reaching out because she's hurt.

Whether I'm right or not, I sure have high hopes for the next-season opener.

[ringwaldoeuvre]

Glad you like my screenname, Ben.

This is just my opinion, but I think Richard and Emily's decision had a lot to do with the fact that Rory has always been something of a trophy which they fight with Lorelei over, to them.

They want to bring her back into their world, the world Lorelei rejected when she was a teenager, and out of the world she made for herself and Rory.

It may also be that they think the reason the Hunzbergers think Rory is "not good enough" is because she didn't have the Proper Gilmore Upbringing.

You're correct. I suppose I was being idealistic that Richard and Emily would have some limit to their pettiness. I guess I was just floored that no one but Lorelai thought that Huntzberger was full of it. Initially I was confused, then I realized that Rory has had people treating her like a princess her entire life. She's been coddled and placed atop a pedestal. She rarely gets taken down a notch, so being told she doesn't have "it" in harsh terms would understandably freak her out. Sure, Rory has always excelled when she was told what to do, but she is a bit timid when it comes to going for the jugular. Huntzberger could have said something constructive rather than dismiss her wholesale. Still, when Rory initially did not do well at Chilton, she worked hard and got up to speed. I'm surprised she could not react similarly.

Over on GilmoreGirls.org we got into a discussion about whether you could tell, if you didn't know, that Gilmore Girls is a show run by a woman. I think that answered it.

WORD. Not that I didn't know the show was run by a woman, but that was unambiguously the work of a female.

You and me both, sister, or brother as the case may be (at this distance, who can tell?). I'm a big fan of Liza Weil, so much so that I have fantasies of her playing the lead in this screenplay I'm working on.

I generally respond to "sister." Ah, the anonymity of the internet. Although I have no screenplay, I think I may watch her scene pestering Barbara Boxer from my shiny new Season 3 DVDs just for good measure. Liza Weil does a great job with what must be a tough role. She can be vicious, yet we sympathize with her. She mixes vulnerability and confidence so well.

Espenson no longer works on Gilmore Girls. Her episodes last season were, IMO, mixed

I did not know Espenson was no longer with GG. I also found her episodes mixed, but still enjoyable. I liked RRK's episode from earlier in the season, and I'm blanking on the name, but it included lines about "Butterfield 8" and "If you don't get over here right now I will book DAR functions at the Dragonfly every weekend until I die."

Don't get me started on Doyle. Nothing against Strong, I just hate seeing Paris turned into someone who only cares about her unworthy swine of a boyfriend.

Another WORD. Doyle is funny, especially the bit with Nana taking care of him, but Paris is better than that. Again with the Paris love. I like Strong, but Doyle is sometimes similar to Jonathan, IMO. Doyle is a bit tougher, which comes out when he's running the newspaper, but he's got the same neurotic tendencies as Jonathan.

I liked that too, but the thing is, with Lorelei losing her connection with Rory (however temporarily, we hope), for the first time in 20 years she's in a position to do something because she wants to, without having to think about how it will affect Rory.

I think that is the reason Lorelai is considering the offer. Her entire adult life has been focused on raising Rory, and now she has the opportunity to really do whatever she wants. That also might be part of why she was so opposed to Rory quitting Yale. She reared Rory to go to an Ivy League college, and if anything, she is reacting the way her parents reacted when she got pregnant. She had a "plan" for Rory, and that plan is disrupted. She may be more like her mother than she cares to admit.

I'm guessing Luke's response to the proposal (about which, BTW: ) will be something along the lines of asking Lorelei to go away for a few months (like say the time between seasons), try this new job, and make sure she wants to be with him and isn't just reaching out because she's hurt.

I agree, especially since Luke withdrew his offer on the Twickham house. He clearly has doubts about going the distance with Lorelai, and the new job only adds to his fear that Stars Hollow is small potatoes. Plus, Luke knows her history of commitment-phobia, and I can see him wanting Lorelai to be absolutely certain about marriage. That said, I hope they eventually tie the knot. I envision a lovely wedding in the Season 6 finale.

[Ben Varkentine]

I suppose I was being idealistic that Richard and Emily would have some limit to their pettiness. I guess I was just floored that no one but Lorelai thought that Huntzberger was full of it.

The thing is, what keeps Richard and Emily interesting is that they're not just being petty. Most of their actions where Lorelei and/or Rory are concerned are motivated by real pain over Lorelei's disappearing act. And the fact that from their point of view, they can give Rory more advantadges than Lorelei can.

I suppose I feel less harshly towards them than I do towards Rory, unfortunately. It's like the old story about the frog and the scorpion--Lorelei can't really have been surprised that Richard & Emily stabbed her in the back.

But that Rory ran headfirst into their arms without even talking to her about it before or after...that had to hurt, and Rory should have known better.

I may have said this before, but I keep thinking Rory is going to "get" that her mom isn't kidding when she talks about how manipulative people like Richard & Emily and the Huntzbergers are, but she seems destined to be oblivious.

I like Strong, but Doyle is sometimes similar to Jonathan, IMO. Doyle is a bit tougher

That's saying a lot. I have cats who are tougher than Jonathan.