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Re: tease!

Postby xita » Wed Oct 16, 2002 8:41 pm

See that's the thing, I saw the whole frankie thing and they were not a couple. God I look for subtext and it was not in any way anything I saw. Franky never got to that point. And Bianca didn't act like she'd gotten some. I know some may argue but it never happened. Now they act like they were and it is just retcon

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Re: tease!

Postby chelehel74 » Thu Oct 17, 2002 11:27 pm

I would agree that the "girlfriend" label was quite a reach considering Frankie bite it the day she told Bianca she loved her and then jumped into bed with a guy out of fear of her true feelings for Bianca.



It is the wonderful "soap history re-written rule" and the one thing that has made me stop watching the soap genre at times.



I must say as unremarkable as it should be in 2002 I will give AMC and ABC big props for taking this leap and pairing up Bianca and Maggie. But if they aren't going to do it they better stop walking the fence and soon. Frankly all this teasing and one step foward two steps back amounts to something that is very frustrating and manipulative.



I just think that all the contraversy it might cause, all the "viewers that may stop watching is a very cowardly reason to not go for it.



They should knock this wall down with a sledge hammer. If some narrow minded people stop watching then so be it. I bet many non-narrow minded people might start watching it. The media converage alone would raise the ratings. Already many of the soap publications have been picking up the story and I have been very surprised that the gay press hasn't followed suit. It might perhaps bring more viewers, who would be excited to see a same sex couple on daytime to the genre, there by motivating the network further.



They have the chance to send a great message to young and old alike that there is nothing wrong with showing a mature relationship between two woman on daytime. In a way they would be carrying the mantle that has been so missed after things on BTVS.



Hell - the daytime viewer sees more unmarried, cheating spouses jumping into bed with each other then any other tv genre and they are concerned how people will react to two girls. It's such a double standard.



And the best part as that in much the same way that Alyson and Amber brought an integrity to the roles and the relationship I really feel that both Elizabeth and Eden would bring the same integrity in the talent they both seem to same as actors.



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Re: tease

Postby Spice Faerie » Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:26 am

Lesbians on daytime TV. I might just have to start watching soaps....LOL



(The promise of lesbians is enough for me...)



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Re: tease

Postby theatremouse » Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:36 am

ok so ihavnt watched amc in eons, mainly cuz i had class when its on, but i only ever watched to see whats up with bianca, and i'm watching now, and so far today, shes appreaed for all of 8 seconds, and said one whole sentence. now i know soaps do rotating plotlines so some days you hardly see one character, but really, this uberbackgroundness considering USUALLY on soaps they latch on to characters her age and make them the center of attention for extended periods of time.........oh well. what can ya do? at least shes there at all.

peace.

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Re: tease!

Postby Ari » Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:23 pm

Speaking of Eden and Elizabeth, there is a teaser for what looks like an article where the two of them are interviewed together in next issue of Soap Opera Digest.



There is a pic of them sitting next to each other smiling and this is the teaser:



Girls' Club

AMC's Eden Riegel (Bianca,l.) and Elizabeth Hendrickson (Maggie) welcome a little controversy. "I'm trying to have romances with boys, but I don't know, I just feel it with [Bianca]!" admits Hendrickson.




It says the issue will be on sale October 29th, which fits with the idea they are going to play up this story during Sweeps and see how the fans take it. It's interesting that she mentions the boys thing, because it was the boy they were sort of pairing her with who was the one to suggest to Bianca that Maggie might be "into" her. :)



On Eden's board, she has stated a few times that she's hoping for a Maggie/Bianca pairing, so I'll be interested to see what they have to say in this interview.



Edited to add a link to a scan posted on a Liz Hendrickson board:



www.lgardinor.com/edenliz01.jpg





Ari

Edited by: Ari at: 10/18/02 12:39:30 pm
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Re: tease

Postby Sarah Bennett » Sat Oct 19, 2002 5:34 am

Regarding lesbians in soaps. I've never seen All My Children, but I just thought I'd mention this...In Australia we used to have a nighttime soapie called "Pacific Drive". Nowadays they air reruns of Pacific Drive every day at 10am. It has one full time lesbian character, Zoe, and throughout the course of the show her character must have had...oh...5 girlfriends, at least a dozen kisses, and even some waking up in bed moments.

So we Aussies can at least say we have lesbians on tv in daytime now. They're actually right after the cartoons every morning :)



ciao,



Sarah

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Re: tease

Postby chelehel74 » Sun Oct 20, 2002 1:50 am

If only the "liberal" american tv executives would put away there dated industry "bibles" and stop making such a drama of it, we would see the same level of stuff here as you are lucky to see.



It's almost comical on AMC, they have tried to pair the "possibly" straight half of this potential super couple with boys on the show and as great of an actress as Elizabeth is there just isn't the same spark on camera as with her and Eden.



To all those folks who just tuned in and only saw the 8 seconds during all this Leo is dead stuff. Hang in there - considering events just prior to this I suspect this death of Bianca's best friend/Maggie's cousin will be the catalist for moving in the direction of pairing them up.



There are rumors that Ms. Nixon (someone correct me if I am wrong) one of the best writers and I believe creators of the show is returning to head write for a while as they look to replace the person who is currently in charge there. This is important because she is the person responsible for making the Bianca is Gay storyline to begin with. This coupled with the appearance of positive support for the storyline despite certain pressures from conservatives could mean the first lesbian daytime couple.



It's only taken daytime 3 years to catch up with the rest of the industry. Despite the end result at least BTVS kicked down a much needed closed mind door in the industry.





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All My Children

Postby cassiopeia191 » Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:10 am

Arat sevoL wolliW

I love your sig, "Hell yeah" is one of my all-time favorite Ani songs ever!



About AMC: well, maybe there will be a pairing (I doubt it) but why invest in it when it's almost certain that their relationship would not last longer than a week because the shwo needs as much catastrophe as it can get?

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Re: tease

Postby molsongrrrl » Sun Oct 20, 2002 5:16 am

all soap couples break up and get back together like a million times -- so even if (thats a big if) bianca and maggie did get together and then went through the break up thing -- at least "all my children" would be treating them like every other couple!





"Who do you have to blow to get some pussy around here, you know? Enough is enough!" from Kissing Jessica Stein




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Re: tease

Postby Sarah Bennett » Sun Oct 20, 2002 7:32 am

molsongrrrl, that is so true. Same happened here in Aust., with the daily soap I mentioned. Zoe (the lesbian) and her girlfriends only ever lasted together for a couple of weeks if that. That's the way soaps are. But at least she had girlfriends.

With poor Bianca, it's just plain silly to make her gay but not let her have any relationships. Why make her gay?

Sarah.

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Re: tease

Postby theatremouse » Sun Oct 20, 2002 10:03 am

why make her gay?cuz they need mellodrama. particularly at the time they needed the mellodrama between her and erika cane.....ugh. 'member that n'sync thing? that was funny as hell.

but seriously, ya ever notice that soaps can make ONE DAY last a weeks worth of shows (or more...), but if theyre dealing with a relationship falling apart/rebuilding/ or lasting in any way, two weeks manage to actually be two weeks?

stupid soap writers.....annoying as all get out.

peace.

Willow: It's horrible! That's me as a vampire? I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.

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Re: All My Children

Postby xita » Sun Oct 20, 2002 11:38 am

I am not confident they'll go ahead and do it. There were rumors about it happening with 4 different girls. They've had the perfect opportunity before and they haven't so I have absolutely no faith they will do it this time. I'd be happy to be wrong and have them surprise me.

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Re: All My Children

Postby VampNo12 » Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:50 pm

About the Maggie/Bianca pairing I am curious if this will ever truly happen regardless if the writers want to push this pairing for sweeps. I was reading last weeks SOW and the new head of ABC daytime programming Brian Scott Frons was being interviewed about the state of the ABC soaps. Basically he went soap by soap and stated what he wanted to see being pushed in order for the shows to thrive (ie what pairings caught his eye), and when he got to All MY Children one of the comments was "Over at AMC, Maggie and Simone (Elizabeth Hendrickson and Terri Ivens) always catch my eye.".



I hope I am wrong because even my mother who watches the show, thinks its a disservice to see lonely Bianca on the show everyday without a true love interest. Guess time will tell, but I do agree that the soap is gauging interest about Maggie/Bianca once November Sweeps rolls around.



Edited to add I was wrong I thought Simone was a man (I stopped watching the show quite awhile ago), but actually is a girl, which now makes me confused as to what Frons is saying (ie he likes these two actors or these two characters paired together)? Now I think I have confused even myself, but regardless I do think iAMC is considering the Bianca/Maggie pairing.

Edited by: VampNo12  at: 10/20/02 3:04:22 pm
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Re: tease

Postby Kendahl897 » Sun Oct 20, 2002 4:01 pm

Well, at least after the fan reaction AMC got when they killed Frankie off, they had enough common sense to bring back the actress Elizabeth Hendrickson who played her.

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Older AMC

Postby oneyedchicklet » Mon Oct 21, 2002 12:05 pm

Hi Everyone,

I've been watching AMC for about 25 years. Lately, I haven't seen it as much but when I was still in high school (many years ago) there was a lesbian character. If I'm not mistaken, AMC was the first soap to have a lesbian. The characters name was Devon and she was Ellen's daughter. Ellen was married to Mark Dalton (Erica's brother). I don't remember if they ever showed her lover on screen and I can't think of her name off hand but Devon was definetly a lesbian. I do remember that Devon was raped and thats when it came out that she was gay. Does anyone else remember this? I called my mother who's watched AMC since it first aired and she confirmed it but she couldn't remember if they ever showed Devon's lover either. If they didn't then Bianca could be the first daytime character to have an onscreen kiss. If they go through with it.



Love to All,

Barb

i want to stand with you on a mountain, i want to bathe with you in the sea, i want to lay like this forever until the sky falls down on me.
jeg elsker dig min skat!!!

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...

Postby Rane018 » Mon Oct 21, 2002 12:49 pm

argh! look what happens when i have free time on my hands, i wander into the soaps thread. i remember two years ago when sarah came to the show and bianca came out we were all so exited to see how they would handle the relationship. of course sarah goes off to get married and binks gets her heart broken again. i'm not getting my hopes up for anything. like xita, let them surprise me.



um, actually the point of this post is to reply to the previous post... didn't sarah and binks kiss on air? i could have sworn that.

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Re: ...

Postby VampNo12 » Mon Oct 21, 2002 1:48 pm

Rane, Sarah and Bianca hugged, but never kissed on air. Personally I always liked the Sarah/Bianca pairing, really thought they had great chemistry, but that ended up nowhere. I do think the producers are trying to gauge interest, they even did a poll in SOW with I think 80 some % wanted to see Bianca end up with Maggie, but who knows if they will have the guts to go through with it. What's funny is I don't even watch this show anymore (although my mom does tell me the interesting bits), but I guess I still want Binks to have a true love interest.

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history

Postby chelehel74 » Mon Oct 21, 2002 4:55 pm

When all the Bianca stuff started I remember reading that AMC did have a lesbian character back in the day. She wasn't given a relationship though. I want to say I read she was someone's shrink or something and played by the actress Donna Pescow who was in Saturday Night Fever.



As for the Bianca kissing girls debate... this would be the first gay daytime kiss. They have played with the hug thing and mentioned that off camera her and Sarah were lovers but nothing more serious than a side kiss when Bianca gave Frankie her locket.



I would say that for the network to allow, and they do have approval on all press related to the show/characters (which is why actors on soaps aren't allowed to give plot info on their websites), Elizabeth and Eden to do the article together is a sign of them testing the waters.



I think if they get tons of flack for hinting at it in the media the breaks will go on and Bianca will be better off not on the show because pigs will fly before she gets a real GF. If they get tons of positive feedback they will move forward and give us a winter to remember.



I can only hope history is in the making.

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Re: history

Postby LooseCannon24 » Mon Oct 21, 2002 6:15 pm

Technically, any kiss between Bianca and a girl (hopefully Maggie) wouldn't be the first gay daytime kiss. Years ago As the World Turns had a gay character named Hank, who played a fashion designer. His lover had AIDS and he and another character visited the lover in the hospital. The two men had a VERY brief - we're talkin' peck here - kiss. I believe that technically goes down in the history books as the first gay daytime kiss. And so concludes our gay soap opera history lesson for the day. In other news...



Unless ABC has changed its policy, I don't think we'll be seeing any girlie smootchies any time soon. As of about 6 months ago, ABC had a written policy stating there could be no same sex PDAs, so to speak. They do not have the same policy for prime time (can you say Roseanne?). Of course, we can cross our fingers and hope that either the policy has changed or will change in light of positive response to the Bianca/Maggie storyline.

LC24

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Re: ...

Postby oneyedchicklet » Mon Oct 21, 2002 7:34 pm

Quote:
When all the Bianca stuff started I remember reading that AMC did have a lesbian character back in the day. She wasn't given a relationship though. I want to say I read she was someone's shrink or something and played by the actress Donna Pescow who was in Saturday Night Fever.




You're right about Donna Pescow but she played Devon's lover. But they were the first same sex couple on AMC.



Love to All,

Barb



i want to stand with you on a mountain, i want to bathe with you in the sea, i want to lay like this forever until the sky falls down on me.
jeg elsker dig min skat!!!

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Re: ...

Postby Kendahl897 » Mon Oct 21, 2002 8:09 pm

Actually, they were never a couple..they were friends. Devon developed a crush on her but it seemed to grow more out of loneliness than anything else. Anyway, she told Donna Pescow's character that she wanted to be her lover..But the woman knew that she didn't really have those feelings, plus at the same time, her ex called and wanted to work things out..DP's character left the show shortly after...

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Re: history

Postby xita » Tue Oct 22, 2002 12:34 am

Donna Pescow? really wow, I would have loved to have seen that.

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Devon from AMC

Postby Arwen » Tue Oct 22, 2002 11:25 am

As embarassing as it is to admit your mother named you from a soap opera, this is how I got my name, Devon.

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Re: ...

Postby DaffyQDuck » Tue Oct 22, 2002 4:40 pm

You're not alone. Iowa State Univ quarterback Seneca Wallace was named after Seneca Beaulac from Ryan's Hope.

It wasn't our world anymore, they made it theirs and they had fun. - Willow

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Re: history

Postby Sarah Bennett » Tue Oct 22, 2002 7:32 pm

chelehel74 wrote:

"As for the Bianca kissing girls debate... this would be the first gay daytime kiss."



chelehel74 do you mean that would be the first time ever there's been a gay daytime kiss there? Sorry if I misunderstood. If so...you guys almost make me feel like we've got it good here! (Oz). A few weeks ago, even I was surprised to see a movie called "Double Exposure" on tv as the midday movie. If you don't know it, that movie happens to include Dedee Pfeiffer (Michelle's sis) in a love/bed scene with Jennifer Gatti at one point, including nudity. And it was all shown at 1pm in the afternoon! ok ok, I'll quit bragging



ciao,



Sarah.

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Re: All My Children

Postby oneyedchicklet » Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:20 am

Ok, is it just me or are the writers of AMC hard up for material? This whole Leo over the falls thing has been done with Tad. Greenlee is acting the same way that Dixie did. They have the whole lesbian storyline that they can work on but they insist on going back through the archives. I just don't get it.



Love to All,

Barb

What if at a key moment in the game, my bossoms should fall out?
You think there are men in this world that haven't seen your bossoms?

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rumors...

Postby chelehel74 » Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:09 pm

All I have heard is that with a head writer shake up coming,

Anges Nixon back consulting and an article in SOD next week sometime it seems that the show is gearing up to give it a shot.



I only hope they don't dump these two wonderful actors if it doesn't pan out for ratings.



Couldn't stand a repeat of Frankie/Bianca stuff...



They do seem to realize that when they show Bianca in clips they quickly show Maggie and Vis-versa. Sure looks like exploring it FINALLy to me.



As for the daytime thing - I meant Soap milestone not daytime as a whole.

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Re: rumors...

Postby Susan of the Archives » Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:40 pm

Here's an interview with the actresses that play Bianca and Maggie - interview in the latest issue of Soap Opera Digest - transcription copied from the Eden Riegel Board. They sound like they get it - much like Amber did - and know how important they are to people dealing with coming out, etc. I hope AMC goes through with it and there's a good chance if Agnes Nixon is on board - she always wanted this storyline because she had a friend in college who was a lesbian (and that's going way back...)





RIOT GIRLS

By Mara Levinsky



When Eden Riegel and Elizabeth Hendrickson get together, it's a Guaranteed Good Time. But they're not afraid of a little controversy -- and they hope AMC isn't, either.



Will they or won't they? That's the question on on many ALL MY CHILDREN fans' minds as the show takes baby steps toward its first lesbian pairing. Here, real-life pals Elizabeth Hendrickson (Maggie) and Eden Riegel (Bianca) discuss taking their onscreen friendship to the next level.



DIGEST: How did you two make the leap from co-stars to friends?



EDEN RIEGEL: I thought Liz was awesome from the first day she was on the show [as Frankie]. She's really outgoing and fun, and she'S such a sweetheart. We just clicked. She makes me laugh; we laugh and have fun. We like each other! We can't help it.



ELIZABETH HENDRICKSON: There's nothing to not like about the girl. I mean, really. She's extremely bright and sweet and warm. The first time I met her, she came straight up to me -- I was very nervous on my first day, and she was easing the pain, telling me what to expect.



RIEGEL: I never would have known she was nervous. She was cool as a cucumber. She had a lot to do that day, a lot of scenes with Susan [Lucci, Erica], and she would just give it to her, really feisty. There was this energy about her. [To Hendrickson] That first day, I went down to Judy [Blye Wilson, casting director] after you were done.



HENDRICKSON: You did?



RIEGEL: I was like, "Thank you, Judy!!"



HENDRICKSON: Oh, wow.



DIGEST: When Liz left the s how last year, was it hard to say Good-bye?



HENDRICKSON: It was. I was very upset. I just felt... I felt I shouldn't be leaving. I wanted to get something nice for her, so I went to the store and got a couple of fun things.



RIEGEL: I totally didn't expect it. She got me this address book, and in between where you write the addresses are interspersed different movie posters from the genre of the lesbian vixen. I've never seen any of [the films], but the posters are extremely interesting, like, "What happens behind the walls of that all-girl boarding school [laughs]?" But saying good-bye was really hard. She told me early on that she had a short-term contract, but she was so good that I didn't believe it. I thought, "they're going to keep her. they'D be so stupid to let her go." And then, when she got word of the exact day she was leaving, I was devastated.



DIGEST: Did you keep in touch while Liz was gone?



HENDRICKSON: We e-mailed a lot. And I had a housewarming party. At, like, 1 in the morning, my roommate came running over: "Eden's here, Eden'S here!" I got so excited: "She came!" I ran, and she was there, with a bottle of champagne. Oh, it was so great.



RIEGEL: Then she told me over e-mail when she got the call from [Executive Producer] Jean [Dedario Burke] asking her to come back. I was like, "See, they're not stupid. They know when they've got a star."



DIGEST: Do you hang out a lot outside of work?



HENDRICKSON: We mostly hang out at work. It's funny, because as good friends as we are, we are really night and day.



RIEGEL: I think night and day is actually a good way to describe it. I'm a day person and she'S a night person. Liz is helping me with my wilder side.



HENDRICKSON: I'm not that wild! I mean, I'm not out of control by any means.



RIEGEL: And she has so many friends! I went to her birthday party -- how many people were there?



HENDRICKSON: A little over 60.



RIEGEL: Sixty people! I don't know 60 poeple.



HENDRICKSON: But I never had that before, you know? Girls never really liked me.



DIGEST: And now all the girls like you!



HENDRICKSON: The straight ones and the gay ones!



DIGEST: what do you think accounts for your on-screen chemistry?



RIEGEL: Chemistry can't be faked, I think. and when two people like each other, there's an energy between them that's undeniable.



HENDRICKSON: When I started, my friends were telling me what great chemistry we had, and I didn'T notice it. But now that I've worked with probably half the cast, I realize what amazing chemistry we have together. I'll have to work with men and really, I'm heterosexual, but I have more chemistry with her! I'm trying to have romances with boys, but I don't know, I just feel it with her!



RIEGEL: I feel it too, Liz! You'Re not alone.



HENDRICKSON: I called my mother and I said, "Mom, I don't know what I'm going to do! What if I work on another show and I have to be with men? Am I secretly hiding something [laughs]?"



DIGEST: So many fans want a romance between Maggie and Bianca -- and it's not every day that viewers ask to see a gay couple.



RIEGEL: We want it, too. I think Liz will agree that it would be an amazing storyline. It would be an important storyline.



HENDRICKSON: Definitely.



RIEGEL: Every single day, I meet a fan who has been spoken to personally by what they see on the screen. I realize what an incredible opportunity we have to show a real love between two women that really speaks to people and can promote tolerance and respect.



HENDRICKSON: That's one of the reasons that I took the role of Frankie. They didn't necessarily say that Frankie was going to be a lesbian, but they alluded to that fact that she could be. I felt that I could make an impact, and what better way to choose a role? I am more than willing to go that way.



RIEGEL: I would feel so safe playing a scene of intimacy with Liz. Not that we have any say!



HENDRICKSON: If we had any say in it, it would have happened a long time ago.



RIEGEL: But that's not to say that it won't happen, and when it does, I think the show has proven i tself capable of doing the storyline in a very sensitive and positive way. Nobody could do it better than ALL MY CHILDREN.



HENDRICKSON: I met a mother at Super Soap Weekend who came up to me in tears about how her son was gay and because of our storyline, he had come out to her, and it made their relationship so much stronger. That's amazing!



DIGEST: So, we know Bianca's gay, but what about Maggie?



HENDRICKSON: there's a huge question mark hanging over her head, isn't there? But I think that almost any woman at that age [has one]. I think every woman and every man, at some point in their life... It's only natural to think twice about your sexual orientation.



DIGEST: When you took on your roles, did you anticipate at all how much your storyline would affect you personally?



HENDRICKSON: I'll be completely honest. When I signed with my agency, they asked me, "What do you want to do and what do you not want to do?" And I said, "I will not do soaps." I didn't want to be involved in a medium that I didn't feel would challenge me. But after a couple of years of pounding the pavement and not getting a job, I was like, "Okay!" After my very first day, I realized how challenging it would be. You take on a whole new life with your character.



RIEGEL: I did anticipate being affected. But I think it has more so than I expected because of the nature of the storyline and the fans. I meet them, and I am actually making an impact on their lives. I'm just an actress, you know? But there are people listening, people who really care. It means so much when fans come up and talk to us because they care so much. It makes us care so much, too. I mean, this is our lives -- it's not just our job.



END



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Re: history

Postby Warduke » Fri Oct 25, 2002 2:27 pm

Thanks for the transcript Susan, it's a great interview, both of them are really sweet and so damn cute :love



I found some caps here, they really look good together ;)


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Re: All My Children

Postby BytrSuite » Fri Oct 25, 2002 2:30 pm

Ooh, they are so freaking adorable! Thanks for the transcript. And thanks for the link Brian!


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