Lost

[Gatito Grande]

Um, Culzean, the shock could easily be merely this: remember, only a few weeks have gone by, since Walt was taken.

Whereas Malcolm David Kelley (IIRC? sp?) will be a YEAR older/bigger!

GG Often, boys shoot up about 6"-foot (in a year) at that age. It seems like Lost's producers have done a good job keeping him out of the public eye, so I really have no idea what he'll look like now. Out

[Culzean]

Good point!

But maybe he'll also be growing ferns out of his skin like Swamp Thing. Now, that would be fun!

[oneyedchicklet]

Good point!

But maybe he'll also be growing ferns out of his skin like Swamp Thing. Now, that would be fun!

And we'd be surprised by this how?

HUGS
Barb

[Tarababy77]

Okay, now i'm mad! It doesn't seem like it's gonna end the way I want it to! I know, me me me, I I I. But I was hoping that Libby would have said more than Michael. But come to think of it. I'm wondering if the 'Others' put Michael up to it. Free that guy and we'll give you your son back. Also, I wonder if that bunker that Echo and John found recorded anything, let's say, around the time Ana and Libby was shot? I can only wonder.... =)

[oneyedchicklet]

Also, I wonder if that bunker that Echo and John found recorded anything, let's say, around the time Ana and Libby was shot? I can only wonder.... =)

:hmm good point Aaron, I never thought of that.

HUGS
Barb

[umgaynow]

OMG!! Evangeline Lilly was on the Tonight show tonight...I never watch it but I caught a bit cuz she was on...I think Jay got a little more than he bargained for...first she told a story about accidentally drinking half a bottle of her friend's urine..eeeewww...then she was talking about how she always seems to date "metrosexual" men...Jay asked her why that was (I have my theories) and she said "I don't know...I think people expect me to be wearing a strap-on or something"

[Gatito Grande]

Well, I clearly know nothing, so my career as Lost prognosticator is officially OVER.

GG That is, at least till I get obsessed over some new theory that I feel I just have to, HAVE TO, share! Out

Now, I'm just waiting for my man Sayid, to go postal over them Others...

[Hemiola]

I think the key to the identities of the Others is in something Walt said as he was being dragged away from Michael: "They aren't who they're pretending to be!".

What will probably tie everything together is the fact that we have already discovered that there was some kind of major psychological experiment going on (?and possibly still going on?) AND since we know that Walt (and possibly baby Aaron) are supposed to have some kind of special powers, perhaps someone is attempting to assemble their own version of the "X-Men" .

[Twisted Minstrel]

Tonight's series finale really did nothing to absolve this show of being more than a grand, gloomy mindf***. Did anyone catch the Hanso Foundation commercial?

They even have a website: http://hansocareers.com/

[Hemiola]

Well, the finale certainly left us with more questions than answers, but that's the point of a good cliff-hanger, isn't it?

1. What's going to happen to our three captured protagonists, now that Michael has been "paid" for his treachery? And why did they choose to let Hurley/Hugo go after specifically asking for him?

2. So what actually happened when the button wasn't pushed? Were its effects just local to the island, or did they have some Earth-shattering consequences (i.e. like it shift in the Earth's magnetic poles, or some such thing ).

3. And, of course, could it be that Desmond's beloved has a lot more to do with the goings-on on the island than we ever could have thought??

Just a final note--it was great to see Clancy Brown again after the demise of "Carnavale".:-)

[Culzean]

I got the impression that Penny had been looking for Desmond again. When she found him at the stadium she said that with enough money and resources she could find anyone. Perhaps her father was involved with the Dharma Initiative (and made sure Desmond got involved in his experiment to keep him away from his daughter). And through her father Penny knew to hire people to set up monitors and look for an electromagnetic disturbance.

It did seem a bit daft to send Hurley back with a message to not come near the Others. They'd already delivered that message and, with the exception of Michael, they'd all respected that boundary.

I wonder if all those notebooks in canisters came from the Pearl hatch? If so, perhaps the folks in that hatch were the ones being experimented on, like Desmond said, since no one really wanted to read their journals.

So Henry is apparently the Others leader, and he wanted Locke to stop pushing the button? When Henry rescued Locke from under the door, he told Locke that he never made it to the button. He never pushed it and nothing happened. Obviously, he pushed it. He could have let the timer run down himself at that point, but perhaps he wanted to be a safe distance away when the hatch blew?

I wonder if the Others work for Penny? Clancy Brown (I forget the characters name) was with Dharma and he referred to a group of "Hostiles." I assume he was referring to the Others? Who are working against Dharma? So, as Henry said, maybe they are the "good guys?"

I'm just thinking out loud here. And while I'm at it - Claire warming up to Charlie again - ewww.... He's been acting like a total slimeball.

It's going to be a long summer.

[Gatito Grande]

I almost tempted to say that it's just not worth it, to try to watch this show . . . from week to week (especially w/ no-new-show gaps). This show DEMANDS you buy the DVDs (which I haven't, yet---being poor & all), and watch it in big, honkin' marathons. There's just too much in it, to retain...

Speaking of Clancy Brown: we all recall, that he's the "spook", who first (?) got Sayid into the torture business, in Iraq?

So Libby was not only also in the nuthouse w/ Hurley(Hugo), but also the widow of a (rich, presumably) man, who named a boat after her full name? (What's the timeline there?)

Where, exactly, were the Portugese-speaking guys at the end (who called Penelope Widmore)? They looked high up: on a mountain? In a balloon? Some other kind of aircraft?

What happened w/ Sayid and Jin and Sun? We saw them on the boat (when the "System Shutdown"/"Violet light in the sky" thing happened), but then no more... (did anyone else have a problem w/ commando-guy Sayid sneaking up on The Others . . . from the sea in the daytime??? WTF?) And was that collossal statue ruin one of The Simpsons?

What happened w/ Locke and Eko? (Does Charlie---who still seems as "turned"/Eeeeevil as Michael to me---know more than he's telling? Did Claire seem different---warmed up---to him, after the Violet Light?)

When "Henry Gale" (who isn't), appearing to be In Charge, says that The Others are "The Good Guys" . . . is it possible he's right?

Oh man, I can't stop:

Voices: birds calling Hurley's name (in several mythologies, a premonition of one's death, BTW). Voices calling to Kate and (ick) Jack and Sawyer. Related to the notion of "quarantine" and the whole protection-suit/injection business?

Michael (and Walt) are headed off, on the exact same heading as Desmond was on, right? (w/ the same predictable round-trip, I bet?)

I'm sure someone else can come up w/ Yet More Questions!!!!
[Including adding Charles Dickens' Our Mutual Friend to the show's innumerable literary references... ]

[drlloyd11]

I almost tempted to say that it's just not worth it, to try to watch this show . . . from week to week (especially w/ no-new-show gaps). This show DEMANDS you buy the DVDs (which I haven't, yet---being poor & all), and watch it in big, honkin' marathons. There's just too much in it, to retain...

I was fortunate(or unfortante) enough to watch all of them in a 2 week period of downloaded. While it eliminated my free time, it let you absorb it all better..

My personal theory..(no spoilers here)..its some kind Atlantean island, inhabited by a long dead race who left their toys.

[Hemiola]

So, a good start to the new season, but soooooooo many of the questions raised last season (see above ) have yet to be answered!

The concentration was on the three prisoners. Why were they all treated so differently? Was this deliberate, or merely a matter of the limited "facilities" the Others have for detaining people (e.g. we already know that Sawyer and the lad across from him are being kept in cages originally meant for animals)?

There's soooooo much more I need to know!! Why that four-toed giant foot? And what about the effects of the "magnetic storm" (if that's what it was) in the wake of failing to push the button??

Hopefully, some of these things will be addressed next week.

[rezeaka]

Did anyone else get a "Tara-esque" vibe/ "Amber-esque" visual from Elizabeth Mitchell's character, Juliet? My girlfriend and I were both thinking that as we watched last night's episode.

-annie

[umgaynow]

Season premiere...wow I'm even more confused than before...why am I surprised but this?!?!?!?!? Elizabeth Mitchell was looking particularly luscious...although I definitely don't trust her character...that beginning was really weird...so where's this housing development now? The plane didn't crash that long ago...wacky as always!

[kisstheviolets]

elizabeth mitchell is on lost now?! i may have to start watching (i've only seen the first season and only because some friends i was staying with were having a dvd marathon). i love, love, love her. she's always my pick for "celebrity i'd like to do most" but people are usually like "who?" then i say "gia's yuppy girlfriend" and the light goes on. remember when she was a lesbo on er? yum.

speaking of lesbos, i heard there was supposed to be a hint of someone being gay on lost last night. someone please tell me it was mitchell's character

[umgaynow]

Sorry but it was the big huge guy who's been the strongarm man from "The Others"

He brought Kate into the shower room, showed her the shower stuff etc and she was all "I am not going to shower in front of you" and he said something to the effect of "Honey, you are so not my type" of course I am paraphrasing for gay effect

[umgaynow]

OK, this new season is just not working for me...I know I shouldn't trust Juliet, but Elizabeth Mitchell is so yummy that I just can't bring myself to doubt her...sure she is acting nice now, telling Ben she hated him after shutting off the recorder and all, but nothing is ever as it seems on Lost...

This week for instance with the chick who fell from the sky telling them that they found flight 815 and everyone was dead...you know that was only the writers teasing us because that is one of the theories that has been floating around forever...

Ah well, to be is fan of LOST is to resign oneself to never really knowing what is going on...it's one of the only shows on network TV that I will watch...aside from How I Met Your Mother and Grey's Anatomy every now and then...I just wish they would stop making the hot chicks be bad guys and/or killing them off...OK that's my rant for now

[Hemiola]

I certainly agree with umgaynow that "Lost" continues to be a puzzlement, which is frustrating at times. Last night's (5/2) episode was good example.

It is interesting that it was the "Father" figure of both Locke and Sawyer who, so far as I know for the first time, explicitly stated the theory mentioned above that the survivors are, in fact, dead, and that the island is either hell or some sort of purgatory. I, too, think that this is just a little too simple, and that the "wreckage" that was found (supposedly of Flight 815) was a plant or a ruse to throw potential rescuers off the scent.

SPECULATION: I noted that the "Father" figure was at one point tied to a kind of stone "column". This, together with the famous "foot" monument shown last season, suggests to me that the island was once either the home or an outpost of an extremely advanced (?alien?) civilization, which either developed or had access to highly advanced technology (in, for example, the field of medicine or the [in]famous "smoke monster" security system). Perhaps the Dharma Initiative people discovered this fact, and sent people to the island in hopes of retrieving this technology, but were frustrated that only certain persons (such as Locke) could make use of it.
This might explain a lot of the strange goings-on that permeate the place!

[maudmac]

I am liking this season a lot more lately than I was there around the middle. I swear, if there is never another Jack-centric ep for the entire run of the show, I will be happy. (Where the hell did he get off with his "Why didn't anyone tell me?" crap to Kate? Why in the world would anyone tell him anything at this point? I wanted to slap Kate for even giving him the time of day.) I got so bored with the Others, I almost stopped watching. But the last several eps have been much more like Lost used to be and I'm glad for that.

Juliet intrigues me. I can't decide whether to like her or dislike her because I can't figure out what she's up to. But she is a very compelling character (thanks to Elizabeth Mitchell's performance); I am always very interested in what's going on with her. I'm inclined to think she probably can't be trusted (by either side), because it seems that she cares more about getting off the island than anything else, and so wouldn't hesitate to do whatever it took for that to happen. I think she was speaking the truth when she said she hated Ben. I would really like to see Ben go poof.

Speaking of people wanting to leave the island, I think there's an interesting split between the people who want to leave and the people who don't. Locke, for instance, I think he's just as dangerous as Juliet, for his determination to stay at all costs.

The last ep was really good. Sawyer soooooo broke my heart. That was a fascinating scene and I felt really conflicted about it. It didn't seem fair of Locke to manipulate Sawyer that way. On the other hand, Sawyer had long wanted to kill the original "Sawyer." But...honestly, it seemed like what he really wanted was an apology or at least some acknowledgement of the devastation that man left behind. It was kind of hard not to want to see him die, after everything he's done. Bleh.

Interesting idea about the advanced, possibly alien, civilization and their technology. Isn't Dharma supposedly interested in human evolution? (I get confused about Dharma, Hanso, and Widmore, who did what and when.) Maybe the 4-toed beings on the island were some kind of evolutionary leap forward? Who needs 5 toes, really? It does seem that only certain people reap the positive effects of being on the island. Ben said he only started getting better when Locke came around, though, so perhaps some people channel those energies or whatever they are? Do we know, is anyone else on the island someone who was born there, besides Ben? Oh! Aaron, of course. I forgot about him. It would be interesting to find out whether Aaron heals quickly or not.

Of all the things I want to know, the main one right now is this: OMG, what is Rousseau planning to do with all that dynamite?!?

[umgaynow]

what I was wondering the other night...cuz someone mentioned Bernard...what the hell ever happened to Rose...she was one of the major characters early on and we never ever see her now...what's up with that?

[Hemiola]

Wow, that was quite an episode!

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Is this really the end of Locke? I would think that if the island was able to cure his paralysis, fixing a mere gunshot shouldn't be much of a problem!

So the Dharma Initiative found people on the island--but are they truly the original inhabitants? Also, it seems that these "originals" don't age--for example, the character played by Nestor Carbonell looks the same age in the present as he did when he first encountered young Ben in the jungle! This makes me wonder: what if the "originals" are actually castaways from all through history (such as, say, from the period of the "Black Rock"), and the island gives them a kind of immortality??

Is there really a Jacob, or is he/it a figment of Ben's imagination? If the latter, what was the voice that Locke heard?

No wonder Ben was so obssessed with the "kill-your-father" idea: he actually did just that!

So what is Juliet's agenda? And who is she really working for?

These are all intriguing questions, but it makes me wonder how long they can keep this up. I'm sure that many on this board recall how "Twin Peaks" kept piling mystery on top of mystery until people just finally got tired of it all. At some point, the writers/producers are going to have to do some serious explaining if they are going to keep up my interest...

[maudmac]

That's why I think it's good that they're going to end it in 48 eps (after this season). I am glad they have an end date now and a definite number of episodes, so there isn't any of that wandering all over creation trying to take up space that turned The X Files into something a lot of fans couldn't stick with. As much as I don't want to say goodbye to Lost, I am glad I won't be strung along through a lot of filler crap...which would probably make me stop watching anyway. What I don't like is them spreading the 48 eps out over three seasons instead of two. I'd rather have 2 seasons of 24 eps than 3 seasons of 16 eps. I'm not crazy about having to wait until February, either.

That really was quite the episode indeed. The whole scene in Jacob's cabin was spoooooooky. I am really intrigued by who/what Jacob is. If you go frame-by-frame through that scene, the crazy part after Locke shines the flashlight, you can clearly see that someone is in that chair. I got the impression from Ben that Jacob had never actually spoken to him, which makes me wonder how Ben could know Jacob was there. Also, of course, what's going on with Jacob that he wants Locke to help him? And what was that stuff on the ground? I thought it might be gunpowder. Is that to keep people/things out or to keep Jacob in?

I'm thinking Ben shot Locke more as a test of some sort than as a genuine murder attempt. Who better than Ben would understand that Locke will probably heal fairly quickly? If Ben really wanted Locke dead, he'd have shot him ten times in the head or something like that.

Interesting that Ben really wasn't born on the island. I still don't like him, but I was very sad for how he'd been treated by his father. (Also intrigued to see that his father was Sawyer's Skeletor from the VW bus.)

I agree that the "Hostiles" are probably people from previous wrecks on the island and their descendents. Thinking about the various groups who've ended up on the island for whatever reasons has me wondering about Rousseau's research team and where they fit in, or whether any of what she told Sayid back then is even true.

I was also intrigued by that guy who didn't seem to age. I think that's Richard Alpert? And he's the one who recruited Juliet, right? What's up with the aging thing? I've read theories about time moving differently on the island. That would seem to tie in with Desmond's sense that what he's experiencing now has happened before and his flashes of the "future" are really just him remembering the past. It's pretty brain-stretching to think too long on the implications of that.

[Culzean]

Ok, here are some thoughts and questions, in no particular order:

* Richard - my first thought was that he hasn't aged. Then I wondered if it was a matter of budget/make-up. Perhaps he was supposed to be a teenager when he meets young Ben? At the time Ben kills his father, how old is he supposed to be? In his 20's? His father appears to be in his late 40's/50's. I think they could only do so much to make the actor who plays Ben look young. Perhaps it was the same with Richard? Of course, I also like the ideas of string theory, and time manipulation. That does match with what Desmond has been experiencing.

* Jacob - did anyone else out there watch Carnivale? The scene with Jacob was reminding me of the character who played Management in that series. He only spoke to one person, a dwarf. He hid when someone else entered his trailer, which made some of the others think the dwarf was lying and there was no Management. He turned out to be a powerful psychic who was heavily scarred and a triple amputee.

I'm not sure if Jacob is like the Wizard of Oz, setting off pyrotechnics while he remains hidden, or if he's incorporeal. If he is incorporeal, I wonder if he communicates with other people by taking the image of someone they know? Like Jack's father, Ben's mother, Hurley's friend from the institution, etc. Maybe Jacob is all the ghosts? Or, we're back to time manipulation. The island does have strange magnetic forces.

* Juliet - my favorite character. I love that one minute she's a victim and you feel sorry for her, and the next she's a cold blooded killer. I like my characters conflicted and complicated. I also don't mind when they look like Elizabeth Mitchell. I don't think either side should trust Juliet. I think she's going to look out for herself.

* Jack - once an asshole, always an asshole. He keeps secrets from the rest of the Losties then expects them to trust and follow him. His arrogance truly knows no bounds.

* Corporate Sponsorship - Ok, so the "Hostiles" took out the Dharma people. Which, btw, is what Mickail (sp?) said happened. Yet, the Hostiles seem to be as rich and well equipped as the Dharma folks. Richard and Ethan have been off-island to recruit Juliet. Richard was off-island to take a video of Juliet's sister and niece. They had boats, a sub, food drops. Wtf? Are the Hostiles employees of Penny's wealthy father? Was the gas attack on the Dharma people the ultimate corporate take-over? I'm confused.

* Fathers - what IS IT with all the Daddy issues?????

This season started out slow, but now it's quite riveting!

[maudmac]

Carnivale! Oh hell yeah. Huuuge fan here. I am still bitter about HBO kicking it to the curb. I don't care what anyone says - that show was not finished. (Plus, I miss my crush on Rita Sue. ) And, yes, the whole atmosphere of the scene in Jacob's cabin was very, very Carnivale-esque. All this Jacob business is seriously intriguing.

Die, Jack, die! I'm even starting to dislike Kate for the way she plays into his bullshit.

That's a good point about the Hostiles seeming to have funding. I really do not understand all the players here and who bankrolled what. Widmore, Hanso, Paik...and whoever all else I don't remember. Who is it who's still doing the airdrops of supplies (or was until the sky turned purple)? That's Dharma Initiative stuff they drop, but shouldn't there have been an off-island conflict between whoever funded DI and whoever funded the Hostiles? Widmore is behind Naomi's trip, right? What were the Hostiles there to do? It would seem that whichever corporations were funding the Hostiles and the DI, they would be in some kind of partnership. Perhaps the partnership went bad? If so, why? I do think it's entirely possible that the Hostiles' gas attack on the DI people was indeed some kind of corporate take-over. Wouldn't a group ultimately take orders from whoever signs their paychecks? Who funded Rousseau's research? If outside communication has been down since the sky turned purple, why have none of these off-island entities showed up to check on things? Or are they unable to get to the island because the beacon thing is down? Obviously, Naomi was having some trouble locating the island.

I wonder if there are some governments involved. I think, in the real world, there would definitely be governments involved if a place with the properties of the island were discovered. Remember Brother Justin in Iraq? (Clancy Brown is always "Brother Justin" to me wherever I see him, but I don't remember the name of the character he played on Lost.) He seemed to be some black ops/mercenary guy when Sayid was looking for Nadia, then he showed up in Desmond's flashback about how he ended up in the hatch.

This is all sooooo much better than the Does Kate Love Jack or Sawyer Show.

[umgaynow]

Hmmmm...maybe the island is the location of Cheney's secret shadow government poison blow dart to the neck...

I won't speculate on recent events because most everything is a red herring on this show...there have been so many seemingly significant revelations in seasons past that never came up again...I've resigned myself that we will never know the truth until the final episode which is two more seasons away...until then I will be happily confused watching Evangeline Lilly's sweaty, rippling muscles And despite the 99% filled homo part of me, I still find Naveen Andrews rather sexy...go figure

[umgaynow]

OK, that cliffhanger in the finale was just annoying...there weren't any huge revelations (that weren't bogus) really...nice that Rousseau finally hooked up wiht her kid...but that ending...just plain irritating if you ask me!

[Hemiola]

I agree on the "annoying" part, but I suppose we can't be surprised when the producers promise "answers" and in fact we get precious few of them.

I have to concede, though, that it was a clever idea turning what everyone assumed was a "flashback" into a "flash-forward" -- it brings up some of the previous speculation on this thread that the island may a conduit of some sort to multiple timelines, which would explain why Desmond can see alternative futures.

But then there remain all of those annoying mysteries and weirdnesses which drive all of us viewers crazy: why are there polar bears on a tropical island? what is the true nature of the "security system"? who (and how old) are the "original" inhabitants of the island? etc etc etc etc etc etc etc....

[maudmac]

I thought the flashforward and time stuff was a nice mindfuck and I enjoyed it.

Some thoughts:

Okay, there are a couple people on the island who don't just want to never leave, they think it's a mistake for anyone to leave (or try to contact the outside world). I'm talking about Ben and Locke here. Some of the others don't want to leave, or we could assume they might not want to. Talking about Danielle (she said she would stay) and Rose (who might think her cancer would return if she left) and Bernard (who would of course stay with Rose). That might include Hurley because he seems to have good luck on the island and he might want to stay. But I am really talking about Ben and Locke.

Ben thinks/knows that Bad Things will happen when the ship is contacted. He said Jacob had told him that, right? And Locke says to Jack during their showdown over the satellite phone something like "You aren't supposed to do that" or "We aren't supposed to leave." This would suggest they have some knowledge of the future, right? Which suggests they have all already been through this at least once and it ended badly. This fits with Desmond's flashes. They really have all been through this before.

If it did end badly, though, why was that not evident in Desmond's flashes about Charlie needing to die in order for Claire and Aaron to get into that helicopter on the beach? Is it just that his flashes are kind of incomplete? They are flashes after all. Or is it that the rescue ends well for some and badly for others? Or are Desmond's flashes from one timeline and whatever Jacob knows/thinks comes from a different timeline?

If it's true that, as the brainwashing stuff in Room 23 suggests, "only fools are enslaved by space and time," there could be multiple timelines and/or, perhaps, people can be in multiple places at the same time.

I'm wondering if Jacob isn't some kind of future-Locke.

I have another question that kind of came out of nowhere when I was thinking about what happened when they stopped pushing the button and the sky turned purple and Desmond got blown out of his clothes and started having his flashes. Maybe I just missed this, but...that energy the station was designed to contain (if I understood its purpose correctly), what is containing it now? Nothing? Is that a problem? If it is, what is happening now because of that energy not being contained? If it isn't a problem, why build the station to contain it in the first place? Or was the station there not so much to contain the energy as to harness it for some reason or channel it into something? (Like a hydroelectric dam doesn't stop the flow of the water, it just uses it to generate power.)

Now that the burning question of what Danielle was going to do with all that dynamite has been answered, my new most burning question is "OMG, whose funeral was that?!?" (I've seen the caps and they aren't really helpful. Besides, I don't think we're meant to know right now who it was.) Who would die, that both Jack and Kate know, but whose funeral would be unattended like that? Who Kate would wonder why in the world Jack would think she'd go? But whose funeral Jack did think Kate might go to. Someone neither friend nor family to Jack, but whose death so bothered him that he was suicidal after reading about it? (No longer obsessed with trying to get back to the island, but now wanting to just die. As if the death of that person somehow meant Jack could never get back to the island?) Someone Jack apparently came to believe had been right? I'm thinking Ben or Locke, maybe. (Which doesn't really fit with future-Locke being Jacob....except that Jacob doesn't appear to be an actual physical person in the flesh on the island.)

Lots to think about for the next 8 months.