Lost

[LunaMuses]

lol Culzean



I just noticed the show's veritable lack of an intro...too many years of watching Buffy, perhaps? hm...



I liked the background of Sun's situation. And Charlie's brother is a jerk Xp



looks like we're answering the question about the pregnant lady next week

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics!" - Benjamin Disraeli

[urnofosiris]

The downloads don´t include previews so each week I go in totally unspoiled. It was not really all that exciting an episode for me. Dad and Merry finally got their hero moments. I expect Sayid, the fat man and the rogue to get their flash back episodes soon. I am willing to bet Culzean is right about who hit Sayid. This show does give into the blatantly obvious at times, except for the Kate/Jack violin stuff, I am ok with most of it. I appreciate that Sayid finally acknowledged the impossibility of them surviving a mid air break up of a plane at full speed. Something supernatural has been afoot since the first moment, but so far we have not gotten any closer to finding out what. My pet peeves aside, I really like this show.

[Gatito Grande]

Quite a nice sensual moment between Sun and Shannon (cough! cough!) tonight (not that I don't still see Sun getting together w/ Michael). Maybe Shannon will finally stop being so shallow now?



The Sawyer melodrama just left me confused: was that flashback supposed to be his story (I mean, as the con man), or was he the boy? Charlie and Clare was pretty silly too: "Let's play let's pretend"! She's having a baby---she's not a baby herself.



Sorry that Sayid feels he needs to leave. Torture ain't nice, but it's not as if many of the survivors weren't considering it: Sayid's just the one who acted. Having said that: circumnavigating (and exploring) the island? I've recommended that for weeks! (What's it been in their time? A couple of weeks now? )



GG Kate was really supposed to be getting into that kiss? Ian Sommerhalder is admittedly a sexy guy, but that character is Just So Not Appealing (melodrama or not). And---as the male characters go---he's not as hot as Naveen Andrews! No accounting for taste I guess (though I suppose the plot, for dramatic purposes, is to keep Jack, Sayid and Sawyer all "in the running" for fair Kate: kinda soap-opera-ish, IMO) Out



So the person who conked Sayid has "an incentive to not get off the island"? From our POV, makes Locke look kinda suspicious, don'tcha think?

[Culzean]

As I interpreted it, the flashbacks were Saywers story. He did become a confidence man himself. When he was about to close his deal with the couple and saw the little boy, he freaked. He wasn't the actual little boy in that flashback, but he could see himself in the boy.



So Jack has a daddy comlex and Saywer is masochistic.



I enjoyed Kate, Sun, and Locke's backstories. Charlie's was ok. Looking forward to the rest.



I just got the TV Guide for next week and read about Lost. Sounds interesting.

[urnofosiris]

I liked this episode, cliches included. I agree that Locke made himself the number one ´clubbing Sayid on the head´ suspect. Seems like he has a lot to lose by leaving the island. So far he has been uncannily right about everything, seems odd that he would be so wrong now, unless it was deliberate. Or unless he sensed that Sawyer needed his moment of torture to deal with his inner demons, but that is stretching it.

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Sorry that Sayid feels he needs to leave. Torture ain't nice, but it's not as if many of the survivors weren't considering it: Sayid's just the one who acted.

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and the one who felt guilty. I did not see Jack beating himself up over it. I must say I find it hard to believe that they would be so hasty to resort to torture. I hardly keeled over from shock to hear that Sawyer did not have that stuff to begin with and was only out to torture himself, so he could punish himself for being a bad boy. I am not sure whether I should be happy that Jack is not a saint either, oh wait, I am sure. I am not happy about it. I seriously despise him. He was a nasty fuck and he still got to be the hero by saving Sawyer´s life. Very conventient that he had all the necessary tools to sow a severed brachial artery (not an artery as he put it, but *the* artery that feeds the arm with blood) back together. Ok I am overanalyzing that, this is a magical island, for all I know the fairies did it.



I really did like the episode, the fact that Sawyer wrote that letter himself did surprise me, I liked Sun´s little scene with the cheerleader. I thought Merry´s courting of the pregnant girl was cute, though I wanted to smack him over the head for letting her carry that really big bag in the end when he still had a free hand and shoulder. My guess is that Sayid get´s next weeks flashback.

Edited by: DrG at: 11/11/04 2:20 pm

[xita]

I don't like Jack at all. I didn't like sayid's turn as torturer. I like Sawyer, at least he's never pretended to be something else. Lucky Kate to have all these men after her. Of course, if she's straight that is We need a gay girl damn it!

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"Trust is a risk masquerading as a promise."

[Gatito Grande]

It's Delenn! It's Delenn!



GG I mean, Mira Furlan, of course. Out



ETA: Well, it would seem Sayid is still in the running in the Kate-Stakes. (Why did Sayid first say he got Nadia killed, and then say that "for seven years I have been hoping she's alive"?). [Do all the castaways carry a memento of their tormented pasts in their shirt pockets (like Sawyer and Sayid)?]



Speaking of Kate (aka "Freckles" ): we know that they found more clothing in the suitcases that survived: did none of it fit Kate? (the green top and cargo pants must be getting a little ripe by now, if they're never washed. Which is not to say that everyone else's clothes aren't getting stinky too, it's just that I notice, week after week . . . how that particular green top and cargo pants are filled out! )



So, will we see Mira ("Danielle Rousseau") again? What exactly happened to the others in her party (before she killed them)? How is her transmission still running? Mysteries, mysteries.



Beyond that, the "Look, we're all relaxing and playing golf!" was kind of silly: when Michael and Jack had their heads together all serious-like, did anyone not immediately guess they were discussing a golf shot? (I would think that Rule # 1 of this course would be "do not lose what few balls have" )

Edited by: Gatito Grande at: 11/17/04 6:26 pm

[xita]

Delenn How I missed her. I love her voice, god I love her!!! Anyway, I kept getting interrupted while watching this so I am going to have to download and watch later again. There was a lot going on. I just want to see her again, sigh.

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[Culzean]

We were thrilled to see Mira Furlan! Loved her on B5. I hope she's a recurring character on Lost.



Oddly enough, her appearance left us with more questions than answers.



* She said there are no monsters, but she also indicated that there is something out there that is worse than bears. And apparently it growls.

* She thought Sayid was one of the "others."

* She hears voices in the wind (as does Sayid now)

* Are the "others" the voices in the wind, or the growling things that are worse than bears?

* What the heck was that rope or cable running from the ocean into the jungle that Sayid followed? What's in the ocean?

* Is Danielle the one who hit Sayid last week?



On other notes, it was nice to see some of the background characters coming forward. Michael really hasn't got the hang of this whole Dad thing yet. I thought the golf thing was a bit silly, but OK. And there wasn't nearly enough of Kate in this episode.



Oh, and I was really bummed when the coming attractions came on saying "In two weeks, a new episode of Lost." What's happening next week? Thanksgiving? That's a poor excuse not to air an episode.

[urnofosiris]

Oh my, Sayid´s would be girlfriend was ever so lovely, even after weeks in that dungeon. She reminded me of Gabriella Sabatini. I was wondering why Sayid said she was dead because of him as well. Maybe it was done to build tension, I was expecting her to die and hoping it would not be so. He may believe she is dead, whatever. I hope she is alive somewhere.

This episode opened a whole can of mysteries. Instead of coming closer to understanding what is going we instead are even further away from knowing the truth. I like it.

Edited by: DrG at: 11/18/04 11:01 am

[xita]

Yay, it's back! I am not sure pregnant girl's story was that compelling but I wonder what kind of demon baby she's carrying. I guess I am not surprised we've bumped into "the others." I am ever so annoyed by Charlie. I can't explain but he's my most hated character, I hate the look of him and the sound of him. Too much of him on my screen is well... too much.

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"Trust is a risk masquerading as a promise."

[Culzean]

I, too, was glad that Lost was back. I had withdrawals last week.



I enjoyed last nights episode. The story is really picking up. Next weeks episose looks pretty scary.



RE: Claire's baby - the psychic said that Claire had to be the one to raise it, it needed her goodness, it needed her protection.



I'm not sure if this means her baby is evil, and needs her goodness to stay on the right path. Or, if her baby is gifted, and only a very good person would not exploit it.



Charlie doesn't bother me, though I think he's as much a horn-dog as a loyal friend. First he was following Kate around, then he made a go for Shannon, then it was Claire's turn.



On the other hand, Sawyer's snarky smile is starting to get on my nerves.

[Warduke]

I was also very happy that Lost was back. I missed the show...and Kate too



Charlie really got on my nerves last night. I wanted Jack to knock the little hobbit out



Claire's a cutie. She needs to spend more time with Kate

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[Gatito Grande]

If it's a boy, "Damien," and if it's a girl, "Hope" (you Xena fans will get that one!)



OK, accent review: Claire's (actor?) is real? It's damn good, if fake. The psychic guy's sounded real. Everyone else (especially the boyfriend, and the friend who went w/ Claire to the psychic the first time): fake, fake, fake. I actually couldn't tell if the boyfriend was supposed to be Aussie or Yank at first.



I'm glad Sayid made it back at the end. And Locke sure looked unhappy that the castaways were hearing about the others, eh?



Did anyone have the feeling, when Jack was talking to Kate, that he (other than being jealous of her waiting for Sayid) was trying to sort of guilt-trip her as female? "Claire's about to have her baby": and this has what exactly to do w/ Kate? ("You have to have female-bonding time, cuz I don't know nuthin' 'bout birthing no babies"? )



GG Literary question: I know that this show has hidden clues buried in it (the infamous polar bear thingie, for instance). Any significance between "Ethan Rom" and the novel (which I haven't read) Ethan Frome? And what, if anything, was w/ his wood-collecting? Out



Re Claire's first nightmare (w/ the baby-crib mobile): anyone else flashback to The X-files (and Scully's baby)?

[Warduke]

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OK, accent review: Claire's (actor?) is real? It's damn good, if fake.

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It's real. Emilie de Ravin is indeed an Aussie.

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[werewolf123]

Anagrams of ethan rom are interesting, mine was "the roman" have no idea if that means anything.

Locke ,his knives and the monster sound like something out of "Tunnel in the sky".

Wood collecting, well that wood is not for (the) burning.

[urnofosiris]

I loved this episode, it was deliciously creepy. Charlie did not annoy me, Jack remains by a comfortable landslide my most hated character on this show. The way he talked to Kate redefined lame and his "treatment" of Claire makes me believe he is as stupid as he is pretty. I will grant that he is very pretty, which makes him very stupid as well in my book.



Clearly Claire is carrying the spawn of Satan, if the child falls into the wrong hands that it. I am not surprised that Ethan turned out to be the creepy guy, but I am very intrigued and look forward to finding out how the hell he figures into this. I bet he was on the plane originally, there to stalk Claire. Probably take her child either to kill it or to take it for some other evil purpose. Maybe Ethan is a psychic too.

[Gatito Grande]

I made the mistake of looking at the Entertainment Weekly coverstory on this show. I can't believe that Evangeline Lilly thinks that there is a "love triangle" between Kate, Jack and Sawyer---what the heck about Sayid? (definitely the hottest of those 3 guys in my book . . . sorry no mention of anything going on w/ Claire! )



GG If there's a major subplot going on w/ "The Others," I really hope we see Mira Furlan again Out



I can't believe I forgot Naveen Andrews was in The English Patient: I (along w/ Juliet Binoche) loved him there, too. (No, not that way---I don't think {GG said, losing my Lesbo Street Cred as I speak! })

[Gatito Grande]

Egads, another Too-Much-Jack ep.



GG Do you think we could get the backstory on all the rest of the principles, before Jack gets another shot? Out

[Culzean]

OK - Jack has Daddy issues. I get it already!



I was a little surprised by Sawyer during his encounter with Sayid. Bully for him. It was funny when little Walt told Saywer that going by a different name was stupid.



I'm not sure what the deal was with Walt and his dice rolling skills. Something going on there. And it was interesting when he mentioned his other dad. I was wondering if his step dad died along with his mom, or if there was a custody issue between the dads.



I liked the exchange between Boone and Locke, and how Boone didn't believe Locke when he told him what his previous job was.



I totally could not get into the resuscitation scene with Charlie. I had already read that the producers have no intention of losing all the LOTR fans by killing him off. It also reminded me too much of a scene from Xena. Actually, from a few scenes from Xena. Those two gals were always resuscitating each other. Only they actually allowed their mouths to touch.



Any guesses on what Loche and Boone found? I'm wondering if it's the location of the power source.



Hopefully, we're done with Jack episodes for awhile.

[urnofosiris]

I´ll credit the magical island with bringing Charlie back to life and stopping Jack from killing him twice with all that chest pounding. Did I mention I hate Jack? I believe I might have, but I must have been too subtle before. Jack and his daddy issues had no business in this episode. Nothing we did not already know. Cry me a fucking river and drown in it Jack.



Is it me or does it look like the fat man is actually gaining weight? Locke needs to kill less piggies. This was a bit of an in between episode, enjoyable enough for me if I block out all the Jack bits. I´ve been missing the Korean lady, it is about time they started deviding the screentime between the castaways more equally. Two Jack centric episodes is enough to last me a lifetime.

Edited by: DrG at: 12/9/04 4:55 pm

[Gatito Grande]

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It also reminded me too much of a scene from Xena. Actually, from a few scenes from Xena. Those two gals were always resuscitating each other. Only they actually allowed their mouths to touch.

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I thought it was little too obvious for me to make that observation!*



GG The Sawyer thing was (mildly) interesting: if he's truly going to be in the running in the Kate-Stakes (as indicated in Entertainment Weekly), it's high time for him to start being less of a dick (actually, I could say the same for Jack, but . . . ) Out



Next Wednesday: a chance for those who missed the start of this series, to catch the first two eps.



*People were always walking in on Xena and Gabrielle "resuscitating" each other. One such "resuscitatus interruptus" offender, when Xena gave the standard CPR explanation, responded: "Resuscitating her? Huh: that's weird. A few minutes ago, Gabrielle asked me to look for you, and at that time she was flushed, breathing hard, and said 'Tell Xena to hurry up: I've started without her!'"

[seurat]

I'm glad to see your comment about the resuscitation G, because even though all I have is St. John's rescuer training it looked completely absurd to me. And Charlie doesn't seem to have even a cracked rib after all that. A magical island indeed. Still it was a fairly enjoyable ep and enough to keep me watching. Less of Jack would be welcome however, and personally I'd like to know more about Shannon (Maggie Grace). As a side note G, there is a new medical themed show called House that i've been watching and enjoying. Don't know if it deserves a thread yet, but you might download an ep and see what you think.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[urnofosiris]

Thanks for the tip Seurat, I´ll check it out. I downloaded a few episodes of medical investigation at the start of the season, but I found it to be such complete and utter trash that it was not even fun to watch just to diss it. The medical show I enjoy the most of all I have seen is Scrubs, so far that is the most realistic show, believe it or not. Anyway, the medical action on this show has been very unrealistic, but this is a magical island so that really can explain why Jack seems to save people´s lives instead of killing them with his stupidity.

[xita]

It's back, it's back, it's back, IT'S BACK!



I love this show. And I loooove Kate. I love her so much especially when she's climbing trees, she's half dressed, or shooting guns. SIGH!!



Now, the ending felt like a big let down. It's just that explanation was just not good enough. The plane? Whatever, first of all it's a little airplane. It may have belonged to the man she killed but that's not why she finds meaning in it. There's something to that thing, it's the only thing she even seems to care about. I kinda like that.



I want to see next week because the brother and sister creep me out, maybe some incest I hate him, boone, whatever his name is.

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[Warduke]

I agree, the end was a letdown but this ep was about one thing...the hotness that is Kate



I swear she gets hotter every damn week, it's unbelievable!

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[Gatito Grande]

Stop the presses: Kate changed her top!



Quite the eye-candy tonight , but tell me: how are Kate and Shannon doing their bikini lines? (is there a supply of wax on the island? )



Nice scene between Charlie and Rose (and that's a great quote: "There's a fine line between faith and denial: it's nice on my side." Gonna remember that one!)



So is Boone gay, or was Shannon just trying to annoy him?



Looks like, from tonight, and next week's preview, that maybe Sayid is turning his attention from Kate to Shannon. Definitely feel that it's the writers taking him out of the Kate-Stakes, since all the hints dropped are about a Kate/Jack/Sawyer triangle, w/ no mention of Sayid (Allah only know why )



Hope we do see Danielle Rousseau (Mira Furlan) again: my hopes are high! (And her notes have the French lyrics to "Beyond the Sea" in them: what is this, a tie-in to the Kevin Spacey movie? )



Back to Kate: did anyone doubt that she was in on the bank robbery? (But the way she blew the other robbers away? Do NOT Mess w/ Kate!!! ) So, what does the toy plane represent? (That was not what I was expecting. Once it became clear it was an envelope in a safe deposit box, I was SO guessing it was going to be adoption records: either her own, of parents she was looking for, or a kid she gave up. Shows what I know ) So, who was the guy she loved/killed? Definitely not the loud-mouth guy she kissed, that's for sure (well, IMO)



Another good ep! (Looking forward to hearing more about Boone and Locke: boyfriends or not! )



GG Oh, and Jack was a dick again. Out



What was with "the water is coming up the beach really fast"?! I'm sure this was filmed before the tsunami happened but still . . .

[maudmac]

Nice to see Rose back. I'd wondered where she'd gotten off to. I bet that husband is going to show up one of these days, but I bet it's not going to work out quite like she wants.



My favorite thing about Kate, physically, is that bit of hair that won't behave and ends up in her lovely, lovely face.



Sayid has the prettiest hair, I swear. Actually, I like Sawyer's hair, too. And he's got those dimples.



I do hope Lost won't turn me straight...



Anyway, I am intrigued by what Kate has done. That just can't be all there was to it. Who was the man she loved? She sure can sling a gun, can't she? What's the significance of that little airplane? (Interesting that it is an airplane.) She cooked up that whole bank robbery thing...for a little airplane? Come on. I need answers!



And how can Jack breathe? The air must be very thin way up there on his high horse. He bugs me.



I wonder what Rousseau thinks is "beyond the sea" out there. And where was that cable going anyway, back when Sayid followed it from the beach to her place? Just disappearing into the ocean? Where the heck is that signal being transmitted from now? Who bonked Sayid on the head? Someone who has a good reason to want to stay on the island? Well...that's just about all of them, really, isn't it? Who are the others, those whispery people? Who's Ethan? How'd he get there? What's he doing with the pregnant girl?







I need to know!



But it is such delicious torture to not know.

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[Culzean]

OK, I have officially moved from tolerating Jack to Jack really annoying me. When did he go from "Her past is none of our business" to "You MUST tell me!" So he finally gets her to confess, and then he abandons her? What did he think she was going to say, that she had cheated on her taxes?



But, enough about him. I, too, couldn't help but notice that there seems to be a lot of bikini waxing going on. Not that I'm complaining, mind you.



I really enjoyed this episode, though I am a bit disturbed that nobody is looking for poor Claire. Loche seems to be totally distracted, and not by Boone.



Boone now seems to be manipulative, controlling, and very very jealous. Ewww...



It was nice to see a few characters who haven't been around for awhile - Rose and Sun. More of them and less Jack please!



And regarding Kate's little plane, apparently it wasn't only valuable to her. She had the key to the safe deposit box, but she wasn't the signatory. I'm thinking she got the key from her dead boyfriend. Which means he's the one who put it in the safe deposit box, so it was valuable to him too. There's definitely more to this toy plane.

[werewolf123]

Was that airplane a DC-3 ,like the one in Romancing the Stone, or the one used by "adios airlines"? Now that would be obscure.