Lost

[Puff]

So many dreams came true last night Kate climbing a tree, Kate in and out of water and Kate in her underwear. Sue me I'm a perve So does anyone else think Kate killed her father? The fact that she planned the robbery did not surprise me. But with the envelope open there are more questions than answers. Again.



I heard an interesting theory that they are all dead and just don't know it yet. I'd be disappointed if that was the case.

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Was the plane what was in the safety deposit box? I thought she killed someone while trying to get what was in it. I know we didn't see it but I figured they would save for yet another Kate episode. Now that I think about it the first one does make more sense since I don't think there's another Kate ep this season.



I was miffed no one was looking for Claire too. Save the adorable pregnant girl from the rath of Tom Cruise's creepy cousin!

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I am not sure that I want to know all about kate this season. A great show will teach us to be patient. We don't know if she was even being honest really. I am not really into spoilers, but it would make me happy if we didn't have another Jack episode this season.



I don't want anything to happen to shannon either, please don't spoil it for me but I got worried with those previews.



I know what you mean about the good looking guys Holley. I think sawyer and sayid both make good eye candy as well. Thank god for kate reinforcing my lesbian street cred!

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[maudmac]

What bothers me about Jack is that he's self-righteous and a hypocrite. He seems to think he's the epitome of an ethical person, and he really isn't. Not at all.



That's a good point about no one (besides Locke and Boone) looking for Claire. It's not a good enough excuse that "the trail has gone cold." They should still be trying.



Which makes me wonder how big that island is, which makes me wonder if Rousseau mapped the whole thing, which reminds me that Sayid never did finish his mapping. I wonder if that's because the papers he got from Rousseau seemed complete or if it's just because Sawyer forgave him for that torture business and Sayid wanted to come back.



Which makes me think...why isn't anyone out exploring the island? Seems like that might be a fairly high priority. For all they know, there's a resort on the other side of the island.



I am so intrigued by that little plane now. Must be something monumental, since Kate was willing to go to such great lengths (at the bank and on the island) to get it. I wonder if Kate works for the government or something. If so, she seems pretty sloppy, though, because there were better ways to get that plane out of the bank and, later, away from Sawyer. But it looks like she's real familiar with how to shoot several people at once, and you don't just pick that up from a normal life. Perhaps military? Especially considering her father was in the Navy. So maybe she has training in things like weapons and fighting stuff, but not secret spy sorts of things.



As for the theory that they're all dead, I suppose it's possible, but I agree, it would be very disappointing. It would feel like a cop out to me. This show seems too smart for that. I hope they won't let us down.



Hee, yes, there's a fair bit of eye candy around on the island. But it is interesting, complex, dynamic eye candy. Eye candy with secrets.



About the preview for the next ep...I bet nothing happens to that girl, because such a big deal has been made of her uselessness, I suspect she will play a crucial role in something or another down the road.

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[Culzean]

I think Kate has spent so much time lying and keeping secrets that it's become second nature. I don't think she knows how not to lie. Really, all she had to say to Saywer was "Yes, the case is mine, now I just need to find that darn key." Instead she lied to protect her vulnerability.



Maybe her dad taught her how to use guns, because that was some fancy shooting. She shot three guys on the move and didn't kill anyone. The Sundance Kit couldn't have done better.



And did you notice the safe deposit box was #815? Same as their flight number. Hmmm...

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So is Boone gay, or was Shannon just trying to annoy him?

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I believe he is gay. The tone of her voice, the way she said it sounded like a half hearted attempt at a tease, it would not sound that much different had she said "Boone´s got a girlfriend neener neener neener". I think she outed him for us viewers with as little bruhaha as possible, almost matter of factly, no big deal. Boone is creepy though, the way he was looking at his sis and Sayid was freaky.

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So does anyone else think Kate killed her father?

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My first thought upon hearing her "confession" to the morality police chief was that she must be talking about her father or maybe a brother. I do not believe she was talking about a lover. I also do not believed she murdered him in cold blood, she may have killed him accidentally or because she was forced to by some extreme circumstances. If anyone has seen "Vertical Limit": in the opening scene a son cuts the safety rope his father his dangling from to save his sister and himself from falling to their deaths as well. I think it must be something like that, only poor Kate is guilt ridden of course. There is far more to that airplane than we know now and I am sure in time we will find out.



Jack, oh Jack, let me count the ways in which I hate thee. What a nasty, nasty man. What bugs me the most, apart from him being a self righteous incompetent hypocritical stupid self absorbed whiner with ridiculous CPR methods and daddy issues, is the nagging feeling I have that he is meant to be and is generally regarded as the hero who will get the girl in the end. I find him to be the most unimpressive character of the lot, that includes the dead people.

His teary eyed indignation, his manly clenched jaw and trembling lower lip at the horrible, horrible betrayal by Kate (how dare she keep that key and her personal feelings to herself!) just made want to hurl. Kudos to the actor and the writers though, they do a great job of making me despise this character, but I am not sure that is the intend. He should move over to ER, with one or two exceptions I despise all the boy doctors there too.



I was happy to see Rose again, she represents hope I think and is someone who you can feel safe with. Somehow I do not think harm will befall her or anyone close to her. I do believe she will see her husband again and I believe it will be good, but I think it may be a long time yet, like maybe in the series finale or something. As for Sun, I must remember it incorrectly, but I thought everyone knew now that she speaks English, not just Michael. Though I can´t blame her for not wanting to talk to Jackass.

Edited by: DrG at: 1/7/05 3:58 pm

[Ghostwriter]

I love this show! I got my best friend hooked on it and now she hates me. LOL. Who knew that ABC could come up with 2 great shows. I'm glad they finally gave us a little more of Kate's backstory, but I have to say, I'm ready for something to get resolved. And is anyone else tired of Shannon's whining? "I'm useless haven't you heard?" Give me a break Barbie doll! You're on a mysterious island, your plane crashed, grow a backbone. Boone staring at her in the promos gave me the creeps. And why is no one searching for Claire? Or exploring the island? Or doing anything but sitting around. I'm also in the I hate Jack camp, could he be any more pompous?

There are a couple of things that bug me about this show. 1) Charlie worked through his addiction pretty quick. I mean technically they've only been on the island a few days, weeks at the most and he's OK now. Unless they are going to revisit it later, it seems pretty pat that he now longer is having withdrawls. Well maybe having Jack pound you on the chest might wipe away those pesky cravings.



The other thing that bothers me is that Sayid seems too comfortable with women. And women dressed scantily. (Woohoo) I didn't realize that Iraq had become so progressive. Even if he had lived in Australia for awhile a lifetime of behavior would still be evident. I'm no expert on the Muslim religion but I do know that women are treated different and they are expected to behave and dress a certain way. He just seems too comfortable with them. But as crazy as this makes me I love this show.





Anyway, this show rocks! Can't wait for the next episode.

Edited by: Ghostwriter at: 1/8/05 8:41 pm

[Gatito Grande]

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And is anyone else tired of Shannon's whining? "I'm useless haven't you heard?" Give me a break Barbie doll! You're on a mysterious island, your plane crashed, grow a backbone.

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It's precisely because they've been emphasizing this, over and over, that I'm expecting a dramatic turn-around in her character at some point.



GG Of course, that turn-around might not be for years, but . . . Out



One thing in Shannon's defense (correct me if I'm wrong, Good Doctor Garfield), some people's asthma can be pretty darn serious (like, fatally so). If I thought that any amount of exertion could leave me unable to breathe, I might spend my time lying in the sun (well, correction: I'd be worried about skin cancer. Make that "lying around"), too.



BTW: I missed one episode (the one w/ Sun, and Sun's rotten husband, and Michael. Dammit, I just flat-out forgot it! ). Is that where Kate talked about her father? Because I don't remember hearing anything about him (feel free to remind me!)



Oh, and do we know no one's looking for Claire? Just because we didn't see it last week---in every ep, the focus is limited to just a few characters---doesn't mean it's not happening.



Geez: remembering something else. What was with calling that aluminum briefcase (or just the locks on it?) a Halliburton? Is that freakin' for real (that our Slimy VP's slimy former "Milking the American Taxpayer" company, has something to do w/ the production of briefcases/locks?)

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Even if he had lived in Australia for awhile a lifetime of behavior would still be evident. I'm no expert on the Muslim religion but I do know that women are treated different and they are expected to behave and dress a certain way. He just seems too comfortable with them.

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It never even occurred to me that this might not be consistent. I remain more baffled by the fact that he used to torture people for an evil dictator, yet seems to be such a good and kind man now. He is interesting for sure, I really wonder why he was a national guard and did what he did, I have this hope he was some sort of informant or something, who got in real deep. We still know relatively little about his past, the extends of his past actions are not clear to me, based on the background episode we got on him.



As for him being comfortable with scantily clad women, I really see no contradiction in that. I am not an expert on any kind of religion, but I do think that in any religion no matter what country you are in, there will be people who have their own (inner) beliefs that may be different from the majority. My country is pretty liberal, but there are enough men (not just of one religion) and even women left who believe women should not be allowed to vote and should not show much more skin than that on their faces and hands. As for Iraq, as evil as Saddam was, his own wife dressed modern enough from the looks of it and at the very least women were not as suppressed as they are in some other countries.



Shannon will clearly get to play an important role I think, the little French translating she has done so far won´t be the extend of it I think. She and Boone seem to share their inferiority complex, it does annoy me, especially her whining in this last episode, but not I do not not like her. I like her, I think there is more to her than meets the eye. As for her asthma, that does not mean she can´t do anything else than lie around on a beach. That is no excuse. I would not recommend running a marathon or cutting down and carrying trees in a warm moist jungle, but she can do regular stuff on that beach that other people are doing. An asthma attack can kill people, but from what we have seen from Shannon I do not get the impression she has a very symptomatic form (the lack of allergens on an pretty tropical beach may help), but in any case, she can do normal stuff. If she does get symptomatic again there is always Sun, she is more competent and useful as a healer on a deserted island without real lasting medical supplies than that primadonna doctor.

Edited by: DrG at: 1/9/05 2:26 am

[maudmac]

Some thoughts, some questions, some things I've forgotten:



The flight number and the safety deposit box number both being #815 smells like some government/military thing to me. Some conspiracy thing, like a covert government experiment. Well, either that or terrorism. Wouldn't that be interesting?



I do wonder who Kate killed, but I don't think it would be a father or brother. She said "the man I loved" right? I suppose they could have written it purposefully to be vague, but it's hard for me to imagine any daughter/sister referring to her father/brother as "the man I loved." I agree, though, that it didn't sound like she'd killed the man in cold blood. She seems to feel quite a lot of guilt over something, whatever it was. Which is something all these people on the island seem afflicted with - tremendous guilt.



I notice the incompetent CPR on TV and my theory is that, since the actor is performing CPR on a live person, they really can't perform it exactly correctly, can they? Another thing that bugs me is that, please correct me if I'm wrong, CPR alone is unlikely to restart a heart, right? Except on TV, of course.



About Sun, I thought her English-speaking was still pretty much a secret. It didn't seem like Kate knew.



About Charlie's withdrawals, I wondered the same thing, but I looked it up, and found this: The onset of heroin Withdrawal symptoms begin six to eight hours after the last dose is administrated. Major heroin withdrawal symptoms peak between 48 and 72 hours after the last dose of heroin and subdue after about one week. So it would seem that he ought to be over it by now, at least the physical aspect of it.



I have been thinking about Sayid now. And I can't remember, are we certain he's even a Muslim? Or if he is, is he devout? Because, for one thing, I don't recall seeing him praying at any point, and a more observant Muslim would be praying multiple times a day. (Although, if he senses this might upset people, he could very well go somewhere private to do it.) And for another, he runs around in his little t-shirt a lot and a devoutly Muslim man wouldn't. Muslim men are required to dress modestly, as are Muslim women. (This is interpreted differently among different groups, obviously.) Of course, there are many different kinds of Muslims, as so it is with all religions. So I'm thinking he's either not a Muslim at all, or is a much more secular Muslim than most of us think of when we think of Muslims. (And Iraq was a pretty secular society anyway, was it not?) And, lastly, maybe his experiences have been such that he's been exposed to more permissive cultures. Like, my experience with Muslims here in the States has been than they are well-accustomed to people here dressing and behaving differently and they accept it. They don't blink when people walk by them on the street in little more than underwear, though that's not how they themselves dress in public.



About Shannon, that's a good point about her asthma and her apparently laziness. I hadn't thought of that. If she's had so much as one attack in which she didn't have access to her meds, she might be so afraid of doing anything, she wouldn't want to do a thing to risk it. Whatever the medical facts are, the likelihood of her having an attack, just her fear alone could be enough to keep her on her ass. Or maybe she's just grown accustomed to using that as an excuse. I actually dislike her intensely and would not be sorry to see her disappear into the treetops.



The only thing I remember hearing about Kate's father was in the last ep, about him being in the Navy. Maybe I've forgotten some stuff, though.



If anyone besides Locke and Boone were still looking for Claire, seems to me they could've tossed in a comment about it. Which isn't to say no one else is looking, but it seems it would be worth a mention or some kind of indication.



Interesting about the briefcases. They are definitely called Halliburtons, but I wasn't sure what the link was with the Halliburton we all know and hate. I did some research. The "Halliburton" of Dick Cheney's Halliburton is indeed the same "Halliburton" of the Halliburton briefcase - entrepreneur Erle Palmer Halliburton. But the Halliburton Case Co. was sold in 1960 to Zero Manufacturing, Inc., so they weren't putting any money in Dick Cheney's pockets, as far as I can tell.

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[urnofosiris]

I still don´t believe Shannon´s lying on her ass attitude has anything to do with her asthma, I think she would have said so if fear was her (de)motivator. Maybe we will learn more next week.

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I notice the incompetent CPR on TV and my theory is that, since the actor is performing CPR on a live person, they really can't perform it exactly correctly, can they? Another thing that bugs me is that, please correct me if I'm wrong, CPR alone is unlikely to restart a heart, right? Except on TV, of course.

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Well certainly is part of why it can look silly. Of course an actor can´t actually compress the chest of his/her fellow actor, so what happens is that the one doing the CPR bends his/her elbows and bobs ups and down to make it look like he or she is actually compressing a chest.



There are two main different types of cardiac arrest, in both cases the heart is not pumping any blood around. Once a heart stops beating a person (if not already out cold) will lose consciousness after 5-10 seconds. If nothing happens the brain will die in a matter of minutes.



The first is the most common reason people (mostly due to myocardial infarction) drop dead suddenly: ventricular fibrillation. When that happens all the different heart cells are firing of their electrical signals and contracting in a chaotic manner, the heart-muscle is fibrillating but no coördinated contractions occur. CPR will not restart the heart, but it can help the heart and body get enough oxygen and survive long enough until help arrives. The heart will need to be shocked with a defibrillator. It is extremely rare for the heart to regain it´s normal rhythm without cardiac defibrillation.



The other main kind of cardiac arrest is asystolie (less common than ventricular fibrillation) when there is no electrical activity at all, the heart is not contracting (or extreme bradycardia when the heart is beating only a few beats per minute, not enough to keep the blood flowing). In these cases CPR can also help keep the circulation and oxygenation going long enough for help to arrive. In this case defibrillation (shocking the heart) won´t do shit (you do often see them doing it to people who flatline on TV, a flatline means asystolie, shocking won´t help), CPR combined with intravenous medication (like adrenaline) is needed to stimulate the heart or electrical pacing (not the same as defibrillating).



On this show two people have been revived supposedly thanks to wunderkind Dr Jackass: Rose and Charlie. I just rewatched the scene where he performs CPR on Rose. I looked carefully and noticed he did not check for a pulse (for all we know her heart could have been beating just fine, maybe she had only stopped breathing). He did not do it during the few seconds the camera zoomed in on his face either, he was too busy lecturing Boone.



If I had to judge this medically she must have had a respiratory arrest for whatever reason, but her heart was still beating. Mouth to mouth can restart a person´s breathing. If a trauma victim also has a cardiac arrest then there must be much more going on and I find it impossible to believe that manual CPR alone would bring them back. Jack also bitched at Boone for not tilting her head back far enough, well he did not do it either, no proper chin lift or tilting the head back. He was blowing all his hot air into her stomach too. Maybe his bad breath revived her or as I really believe, the magic on that island did it. Charlie is the second one. I could hardly call that chest pounding CPR, if his heart was still beating that might have stopped it, but not restart it.



It is sometimes possible to bring people back with just CPR alone though, mostly in cases where the person has a healthy heart to begin with and the arrest was caused by lack of oxygen (like in drowning) and/or extreme vasovagal (stimulation from the tenth brain nerve, the nervus vagus, causes the heart rate to slow) stimulation (like with strangling). Once a healthy heart gets some oxygen again it can start beating again without the help of iv medication. This of course all depends on how long a person has been out, it takes a while for a healthy heart to stop beating once breathing (and thus the supply of oxygen stops) Charlie could not have been hanging there long for him to come back so quickly without any neurological deficits, no respiratory problems due to swelling of all the structures in his bruised neck, yet he must have been hanging there for longer than one minute.



I am over analyzing this of course, it made no sense that anyone survived that plane crash to begin with, it made no sense that Rose and Charlie would be revived if they had been in full cardiac arrest, but in their case I think we are meant to accept that Jack revived them because he is such a spiffy doctor.



There, aren´t you glad you asked now.

Edited by: DrG at: 1/9/05 10:27 am

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I think I will believe the island did it. Thanks G.



About Sayid, good analysis holley, we don't know what kind of muslim he is, if at all. There is also the matter that he was in Australia. It's entire possible that I missed it, but I don't recall knowing why or for how long.

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He must have fled the country after he shot that guy. I think the story about his would be girlfriend took place like 7 years ago. My guess is he did not wait for long after that before leaving Iraq.

[Ghostwriter]

Dr. G, thanks for the info on CPR! I'm going to believe that the island did it as well. And thanks to everyone for your comments about Sayid, it makes sense that he may not be practicing etc.



As for Shannon, if she has some purpose, other than whining about how useless she is (self fulling prophesy) I hope we find out what it is soon. As for her asthma, it looks like in the previews she's running through the forest. So if she's worried about that, she can over look it if the need arises. I can't wait for the next episode!

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I appreciated the CPR info G, as it happens I renewed my defibrillator certification this weekend and was able to ask the instructor some of the same questions you answered. What we've seen happen on Lost twice is something that he's never seen occur in the real world. CPR does save some lives and is completely worthwhile to learn and to use if you ever get the chance, but it won't miraculously revive them even if you do it properly and aren't just pounding on someone's chest while shamelessly overacting (ie.Jack). Yeah, I hate him too.



Call me shallow, but I still look forward to seeing more of Shannon and don't dislike the character at all. Some people take a while to show their useful qualities, and I expect the writers will give her more to work with than an especially good tan. As for Kate, they quite properly left us even more confused about her past actions than before but at least she got to show off her tree climbing and rock climbing skills, something she particularly asked the producers to let her do. Is that really likely to be the last Kate-themed ep by the way? Are we that far into the season already?

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

[xita]

Eh, lame. It would have been more interesting if they hadn't revealed they weren't actually related. hee. It wasn't the best episode. I enjoyed the interactions but overall I didn't feel the backstory had anything of any consequence to offer. I fully expected them to be involved cause they had telegraphed it.



And Locke is starting to creep me out.

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[Gatito Grande]

Heh: I knew it! (GG does Happy Dance of Omniscience ). As soon as it turned up that Shannon was tied up, too, I was thinking: this is NOT happening. Boone is tripping on whatever that so-called "disinfectant" is, that Locke spread on his head!



GG Any XWP fans recognize Charles Mesure (aka "Mercer", aka "Darnell", aka "Archangel Michael" ) as the Aussie lout? Out



Sign me onto the "Please don't let Naveen Andrews turn me (back) straight!" tip , after seeing his profile in this week's People. Any guy who can recognize a hot older woman? (His girlfriend of six years, Barbara Hershey? Twenty years older than him?) Class all the way.

[Culzean]

Overall, a "pleasant" episode. It was nice seeing everyone. The "Dude! You gotta pee on my foot!" scene was amusing.



I think the Boone/Shannon thing would have been more believable if their families had blended when they were teenagers, rather than children. And the revelation would have been more shocking if they hadn't broadcast Boone's feelings in previous episodes.



I hadn't figured out that Boone was hallucinating, but I kept thinking there must be a hitch in the story somewhere. Loche seems to have become one with the island. And he seems to know exactly what it is that people need, having already helped Jack and Charlie. I kept thinking, there must be some angle here where Loche really is helping Boone.



The most interesting part of the show was the flashback when Boone was at the police station in Australia and Sawyer was dragged past him.



RE: the creature - I paused on it, and it looked like a huge burlap blanket being lifted by two strings. It made me think of a booby trap Loche could have set up to scare game and make it run in a particular direction. The creatures shadow on the bamboo was pretty cool.



I am finding it really hard to suspend disbelief and accept the fact that no one is looking for Claire. And no one is worried that Ethan will be back to harm someone else. It would take all of a few seconds to show that they were taking turns playing guard at the two camps.



Hope we get some more drama next week.

[Ghostwriter]

GG love your dance of omniscience! I recognized Charles Mesure almost right away. I'm sad to say I didn't recognize him immediately. I think they will take away my Xena fan card any minute. BTW I'm as big a fan as you are. My dog's name is Joxer (only because he isn't tough enough to be Ares) Anyway, why is NO ONE looking for Claire? I mean it's not like they have a lot to do on this island. I'm surprised that Charlie isn't looking. Jack had time to flirt with Kate, but he doesn't have time to look for a pregnant lady? WTF? I loved Hurley's "Dude, you gotta pee on it." It was too funny. I want to know his backstory. Locke has always creeped me out, from the very beginning and now even more so. Oh I liked the part where Sawyer is being hauled into jail while Boone was there. That was interesting. Sometimes this show makes me so mad because it teases us, but then I keep tuning in. I've just decided to go along for the ride. Oh as an aside to another topic on Alias last night Sydney had a party and the song playing in the background was Drive Shaft's "You all everybody."

Edited by: Ghostwriter at: 1/13/05 2:35 pm

[Gatito Grande]

Speaking of Hurley: when he was describing his diet, did anyone else (Garfield?) think "Um, we're maybe going to be needing to find an insulin supply soon?" (Getting more protein in his diet may be a start, but . . . )



I'm still really kicking myself for missing that one episode that I did: so Sun loves Jin? WTF? I thought she planned to leave him!



So, what do we think the "hatch" is, anyway? Alien spacecraft (are aliens responsible for all the island's wierdness?)



I barely remembered the Sawyer-getting-arrested incident. Who could be surprised by that? But considering what it takes to cause a disorderly disturbance by Aussie standards?! (j/k Aussie Kittens! )



Was Kate lying (again) to Sun, or just telling a very selective version of the truth? (I thought the former, at first, but then I couldn't be sure). So, inevitably, Sun's secret slowly dribbles out . . .



GG What *So Works* on this show, is the whole cumulative mystery angle: even in a relatively un-great episode, there are still all these little clues to collect! Out



After 3 weeks of growth, how the heck is Jack clipping his hair? (Locke could just be shaving his head, but Jack's hair is definitely clipped. Well, maybe you could do that w/ scissors, but I don't think so )



Ghostwriter, to be my level of XWP-obsessive, you would have to (as I did) scream Charles aka "Mercer" aka "Darnell" aka "Archangel Michael" Mesure! upon seeing his name in the opening credits.

[urnofosiris]

The scene between Sun and Kate were my favourite, just very sweet and nice to see Kate bond with another woman. Must be preferable to boring snoring Jackass stalking her.

Totally not surprised at Boone and Shannon not being related by blood and them having had a one night stand. Not a very interesting background story, but the episode did not focus on in too much. They did have me going with the Shannon getting killed thing. I could not believe it and it turns out it was not real. So far they have not killed off a main character, but if they do please let it be Jack. I will promise to act surprised and sad.



I think that Sun´s husband may be turning back into the man she fell in love with. He certainly seems to have removed that stick from his ass. Locke is the only one who looked the monster in the eye and lived to not tell the tale. He is freaky, eventhough he has only done good so far apparently I am not sure I trust him completely. The fact neither he nor any of those other manly men is looking for Claire is inexcusable.



The fat dude, just needs to lose a ton of weight to reduce the risk of developing type 2 diabetes somewhere in the years to come. I wonder if the actor is on a diet for this show. He is a big boy, but even with all the fruit and boar for food, I would have expected to see a little less of him by now and if not now then in the weeks to come. It´s been three weeks according to Kate.

[Ghostwriter]

I liked the scene between Kate and Sun (hmm two beautiful women bonding ). I agree with you DrG about Sun's husband turning back into the man she married. Maybe the island is having an effect on him. As for Shannon, I think she is incredibly manipulative. She knew how Boone felt about her and used it. I hope the character learns and grows. I wonder what the island has in store for her!



Oh and GG, I missed the opening credits. I might of reacted the same way. But then again maybe not My goal then is to be at the same level of obsession that you are.

[Warduke]

I was annoyed by both father and son for about half of this episode, but after I saw what Michael did for Walt (putting the blame on himself for taking Walt away from his adoptive father, when it was his adoptive father who didn't want him anymore) that took a lot of guts.



A polar bear always makes a very imposing foe…always



And now that she’s back, I can’t wait to find out what happened to Claire. And did anyone notice if she was still pregnant or not?

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I really liked Michael. He went above and beyond the call to keep his son from hating the family that raised him. I was glad he showed him the letters at the end. He needed to know his dad always loved him.



I like locke but I am getting tired of his know it all attitude. And Boone is so gross. I hate him a lot.



Claire, where have you been, that was a nice surprise there at the end.

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[Hemiola]

The following is speculation and not spoilers.



The more I watch this show, the more I am convinced that the island is a "magic" island, very much like the island in Shakespeare's "The Tempest". Indeed, it is easy to note that characters merely need to think about something, and it soon appears. Thus, Walt sees a picture of a polar bear in his comic and, lo and behold, he is attacked by a polar bear! Locke tells him to "see" the knothole in order to hit it with his knife and, lo and behold, he is suddenly able to hit it without any problem. I think that it is this "magical" aspect of the island that Locke has come to understand better than anyone else.



When I think about Sayed's encounter with the "voices", I can't help but think of Caliban's quote: "Be not afear'd, the isle is full of noises!". I am almost certain that at some point we are going to encounter the "Prospero" character who is behind all of these goings-on. Or, if not "Prospero", maybe "Captain Nemo" (as in Jules Verne's "Mysterious Island" ).



BTW, am I the only one who thinks that "Vincent" is an odd name for a dog?

[Culzean]

I think when Walt thinks about things, they happen. I'm not sure if this applies to anyone else.



This is the second time a polar bear has appeared after Walt looked at that picture of a polar bear (I was pissed at Michael for burning the kids only comic book, but that may end up being a good thing). When he was playing backgammon with Hurley, he kept getting the numbers he wanted on the dice (at which point he said that his dad, Brian, said Walt was the luckiest person he'd ever met). And during the flashback the very bird Walt was coloring brained itself on their window.



I thought Walt's mom had a lot of nerve telling Michael it was selfish to not want to give up custody of Walt. Everything that woman did was self serving.



When Michael arrived to meet Walt, I thought it was odd that Walt said "Where's Brian?" instead of "Where's Dad?"



And every time a character mentioned Claire's name, I would say to myself "And why is nobody looking for her?"



I was thrilled to see her at the end, though she doesn't look pregnant anymore. Not sure how the "others" are going to keep the little type alive without Claire there to nurse it.



And I am REALLY, REALLY annoyed that they've scheduled a repeat for next week. I want to hear what happened to Claire!

[urnofosiris]

I do not think it is odd that Walt does not refer to Brian as dad. It is clear Brian never wanted to be his father and he probably wanted Walt to call him by his first name to keep some distance from him. He was calling Michael dad pretty whole heartedly when that polar bear was attacking him. I think he knew in his heart who is father was, is and always will be. It seems clear that there is some magic to Walt outside of the island, but it still does not explain all the weird things that happen. I certainly do not think he fantasized that huge monster that can move trees, that thing kills people for real. I do not think Walt can be, even unintentionally, responsible for that. I was not all that impressed by Michael, but maybe now that this alienating his son thing is over, he will lighten up a bit.



I was not suprised to see Claire in the end, the fact that they kept talking about her (FINALLY) throughout the episode. I wish someone would have kicked Jack in the nuts for his dismissive "they´re only dreams" crap. After all that has happened on that goddamned island it should be fucking clear that her dreams mean something important.



I am very curious to hear what Claire has to say, but she looked pretty shell shocked, I doubt she will be talking a lot right away. The baby was taken from her no doubt. This makes me wonder about the psychic that clearly knew something is the matter with her child and deliberately sent her on that plane to get stranded on that island. If he could see so much, he must have known someone would be there to take the child from Claire. That is the exact opposite of what he wanted to happen. It must work out one way or another, I wonder how.

Edited by: DrG at: 1/20/05 2:21 pm

[Gatito Grande]

Is anyone else thinking that the "Others" may develop an interest in Walt, too? (Problem Children!)



Poor Walt: kid's got dysfunctional parents/parent-figures all around him his whole life (unclear to me if that includes Locke, too. And maybe Michael will improve now? He sure was a d*ck earlier! Though I understand why he feels screwed, from earlier in Walt's life: he just shouldn't take that out on Walt, though).



Feeling somewhat torn: back when Jun was a jerk, and Michael was a nice guy, was really looking forward to Sun gettin' it on w/ Michael. Now? (Still think Sun and Michael look good together)



CGI polar bear was very fake-looking, IMO.



Is Hurley like "Greek Chorus" guy? (He's always just commenting on everybody and their individual schticks). And Charlie was pretty damn funny w/ Claire's diary (privacy-invasion though it be)



Boone has gone from boring, to scary (but still boring, too ). Actually, Locke just keeps getting scarier, and scarier. He clearly doesn't want to get off the island, and may be building a cult around him, to that end (1. little doubt he conked Sayid earlier, and 2. the Cold Look he gave Michael toward the raft-building idea---as stupid as that was. Somebody got the wrong idea from Tom Hanks and that soccer ball in Cast Away! ) Is Locke in contact w/ the Others? Working at a similar purpose? Does the "Black Rock" have anything to do w/ the hatch? And what (if anything) can Claire reveal?



GG And why, in re-runs, do we have to jump over the episode I missed, to another I've seen? Oh well: at least I get to see Mira again! Out



Strongly dislike seeing Vincent in danger (i.e. Polar Bear Chow) and/or not knowing what happened to him (even though Locked implied---or knows?---he's OK). GG the Lab Lover sez Do Not Mess w/ the Dog!!!

[sam7777]

They've created a monster

The mysteries on 'Lost' will be solved -- eventually

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Lindelof is the co-creator of "Lost," ABC's intricately plotted hit thriller about plane crash survivors stranded on a tropical island where nothing is quite as it seems. But he's also a fan of shows like the one he writes, and he's been burned enough times in the past to sympathize with "Lost" viewers who are starting to wonder if he and J.J. Abrams know where the story is going, or if they're just piling mystery on top of mystery to hide the fact that they're making it up as they go along.



"As a member of the community who loved 'The X-Files' for all those years and felt bummed out by the end of it, all I can say is, we're cognitive of trying not to go down the same path," says Lindelof.



"The X-Files." It always comes back to "The X-Files," whose success at blending thriller elements with sci-fi staples and a complex "mythology" made shows like "Lost" possible, and whose ultimate creative failure made viewers hesitant to buy into those later shows.



"X-Files" creator Chris Carter and his writers used to swear up and down that they had the entire series mapped out, that they knew the answer to every question raised and would reveal it in due course, that the fate of Mulder's sister, the goals of the Cigarette Smoking Man's conspiracy, the origin of the black oil, etc., would all make perfect sense and be satisfying to the fans who had speculated about them for years. And when it became blindingly obvious that answers were either not coming or didn't track with what had happened before, the official story changed. It was the fault of the show's huge success, they started to say; if "X-Files" had only run five years with no movie or later seasons, everything would have wrapped up neatly, but the need to keep going ruined the master plan.



"Lost," with its monsters, miracles and mysteries, represents the best of "X-Files," but halfway through season one, some viewers are starting to worry that it may represent the worst of "X-Files," too.



What is the monster? Where is this island? How did anyone, let alone several dozen people, survive a crash that should have pulverized everyone on board? How can wheelchair-user John Locke suddenly walk? Does Walt have psychic powers? How many people were already on the island before the crash? Is Claire's baby really destined to be evil? Why would Kate orchestrate a violent bank robbery to recover a model airplane? Was Jack's father really in the coffin?



And that's a very partial list of mysteries the show hasn't gotten around to answering yet.



"Every mystery that we present on the show -- what is the monster, where does Ethan come from, why hasn't Claire had her baby yet -- all of those are questions that we know the answers to," asserts Lindelof. "But how and when we present the answers isn't set in stone."



The "how and when" is the million dollar question. Lindelof is aware of the very thin tightrope he and Abrams walk with this show. One of the biggest mysteries from the pilot episode was the source of the 16-year-old French distress signal that some of the castaways picked up on a dying transmitter. The writers hadn't planned to answer that until late this season, but then decided they needed to throw the audience a big bone early on so people would believe more answers would be coming in time.

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Shows that burn the fans have a ripple effect. Crap like the bad ends of X-Files and the show that shall not be named have cast a pall over all genre shows. Lindelof's promises quite frankly mean nothing until the show is over and we can judge the whole work. We've been down this road before and I for one retain a very healthy skepticism.

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I still see dead lesbian cliches

Edited by: sam7777  at: 2/9/05 4:52 pm

[Gatito Grande]

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Lindelof's promises quite frankly mean nothing until the show is over and we can judge the whole work.

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That's one opinion. I simply don't bring that kind of attitude towards a TV series.



I am not disinterested in the "how does it all turn out in the end" question, but I am also willing to evaluate a series on what I get out of it from week to week (episode to episode). Was it a good investment of my hour? Do I look forward to more of the same in another? (and also "Are there questions I would like to see answered?")



GG Do I want to see more of the cast hotties? Also a factor! Out



Last but not least, if a show ends other than the way I would have ended it *cough*XWP*cough*, I don't say "Oh, that wipes out everything I liked about it before---x years down the tubes . . ."



That's JMO. YMMV!



New ep tonight!