The Television and Movie Recommendation/Discussion Thread!

[Gatito Grande]

Not as odd as you'd think, sam. Oxygen is re-creating itself, w/ a focus on sleaze. TV Guide even did a profile on it.



GG Getting harder and harder to sit through the Oxygen program promos as I get my daily Xena fix. Out

[Gatito Grande]

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The Museum of Television & Radio (MTR) has launched an amazing exhibit called "Not That There's Anything Wrong With That: The History of Gay and Lesbian Images on Television," which is running through Sunday, June 27 at the MTR's branches in Los Angeles and New York. If you live in either city, or plan to visit soon, check it out. Even if you're a television buff, you'll learn new things: Barry Monush, the New York-based MTR researcher who curated the comprehensive exhibit, has done his homework and dug up some little-known facts and rarely-seen footage.



Monush, who happens to be gay, thinks the exhibit, which is divided into categories such as "Young and Restless: Gay Teens" and "Outing Space ... and Beyond: The Fantasy Genre" will be particularly enlightening for younger people. "I think there are a lot of younger people who see the gay programs that are on TV now and assume that things have pretty much always been this way," Monush says.



Of course, that isn't true. Sure, we have "Will & Grace," "Queer As Folk" and "The L Word" now, but it wasn't that long ago that gay-themed shows and characters were off limits. In the 1950s, television dramas and comedies didn't dare deal with homosexuality. In the '60s, the subject did come up on obscure television shows, although only guest actors were cast as gay -- or potentially gay -- characters, and their story lines wrapped after one episode.



An obscure spy series called "Espionage," which ran from 1963 to 1964, featured one of the first known story lines to involve homosexuality. It is highlighted in the portion of the exhibit called "Unlocking the Closet: The Early Years." (This particular series and episode isn't even mentioned in books on the history of gay television, by the way.) The episode revolves around the CIA's investigation into a government agent's sexual orientation: After receiving a tip, they fear he might be gay. The show is full of stereotypes. "They start to wonder why he married late, why his friend collects antique furniture -- silly little things that are supposed to indicate that a man could possibly be gay," Monush says, laughing.



Remarkably, the word "homosexual" is uttered in the episode. At that point, it was taboo to even say "gay" or "homosexual."



Gay characters occasionally appeared on other shows during the '60s, including "N.Y.P.D." and "Medical Center," but the subject was dealt with sparingly for fear of offending viewers, Monush explains.



It was gay activists who were offended in the '70s by an episode of "Police Woman" in which Pepper (Angie Dickinson) went undercover to catch a the evil lesbians who ran a nursing home and killed old ladies for their money. You probably haven't seen it, because it turns out that gay protesters managed to get the episode -- which featured a hateful portrayal of lesbians, according to Monush -- pulled from the "Police Woman" syndication package.



However, gay activists weren't successful when they tried to get the producers of "Marcus Welby, M.D." to rewrite an episode in which Dr. Welby (Robert Young) tells a patient that being gay is something to be ashamed of -- and that the young man might be cured through psychotherapy.



A more positive portrayal of gay people can be seen on an episode of the short-lived 1976 series "Sirota's Court," which features television's first same-sex wedding. Monush notes he was pleasantly surprised to see that the issue -- which is such a hot topic now -- was dealt with back then.



The '70s also marked the first time that television saw its first gay series regular. A lot of people think that Jodie (Billy Crystal) on "Soap" was the first regular gay character, but Peter (Vincent Schiavelli) of "The Corner Bar" beat him by five years, according to Monush. Schiavelli played a designer on "The Corner Bar," which premiered in '72. "Soap" didn't come along until '77.



While Schiavelli's character was a flaming gay stereotype, Crystal's alter ego wasn't much better. "If you look back on it now, it's not a very flattering portrayal. There are a lot of jokes at his expense," Monush muses. "Everybody's uncomfortable about him. It's tough to watch it now without cringing a bit, although I guess everybody in the series was slightly off and crazy and bizarre."



At least Crystal's Jodie was out. After airing a TV movie called "Sidney Shorr: A Girl's Best Friend" in 1981 -- about an openly gay New Yorker who takes in a young woman after she becomes an unwed mother -- NBC decided to spin it off into the TV series "Love, Sidney," starring Tony Randall. Sidney was out in the movie, but essentially shoved into the closet on the sitcom. "The network basically cut out any reference to him being gay," Monush says.



Gay people came busting out of the closet on television when the AIDS crisis hit. "By that point, a lot of people in the industry were losing friends they cared about, and I think that's one issue where they said, 'We really have to wake up the world to the reality of this,'" Monush says. In '83, "St. Elsewhere" became the first television series to do an episode on the subject.



Another taboo was broken when the '87 HBO special "The Truth About Alex" featured a gay teen character. In '92, Ryan Phillippe played daytime drama's first gay teen on "One Life to Live," and Wilson Cruz played the first regular gay character on "My So-Called Life" in '95. While there have been other gay teens on TV, including "Dawson's Creek's" Jack, there haven't been many. "I think that is still something that people are going to be nervous about," Monush reasons, noting, "I can't imagine seeing a show built around a gay teen any time soon."



The networks are skittish about depicting the lives of gay teens, and they also remain nervous about showing the sex lives of grown adults -- as you'll see in portions of the MTR exhibit entitled "History Is Made at Night" and "Kiss the Boy/Kiss the Girl." Cable shows like "Queer As Folk" and "The L Word" have broken ground in showing gay and lesbian sex, but yet it isn't common to even see gay characters kiss on network television. "The networks are still afraid to even suggest that gay men or women might go to bed together," Monush says.



On a more positive note, the '90s brought us the first wave of shows -- including "Ellen" and "Will & Grace" -- featuring gay characters in lead roles. In more recent years, we've seen "Queer as Folk" and "The L Word." Those shows are celebrated in the final installment of the MTR exhibit entitled "Gay Like Me: Leading Roles."



Actually, all of the shows mentioned in this piece are shown either in their entirety or in part in the exhibit. It should be noted that "Not That There's Anything Wrong With That: The History of Gay and Lesbian Images on Television" is divided into sections, and each section is only being shown on certain dates. Check out the schedule below, and for more information, visit http://www.mtr.org.


"Unlocking the Closet: The Early Years"

Friday, March 26 to Thursday, April 1



"Some of My Best Friends Are ...: '70s Sitcoms"

Friday, April 2 to Thursday, April 8



"Time to Act Up: Controversy and Outrage"

Friday, April 9 to Thursday, April 15



"Gay on a Weekly Basis: Series Regulars"

Friday, April 16 to Thursday, April 22



"Word Is Out: '70s Dramas"

Friday, April 23 to Thursday, April 29



"Not Ready for Prime Time"

Friday, April 30 to Thursday, May 6



"The Crisis"

Friday, May 7 to Thursday, May 13



"Young and Restless: Gay Teens"

Friday, May 14 to Thursday, May 20



"History Is Made at Night"

Friday, May 21 to Thursday, May 27



"Not That There's Anything Wrong With That: '80s and '90s Sitcoms"

Friday, May 28 to Thursday, June 3



"Outing Space ... and Beyond: The Fantasy Genre"

Friday, June 4 to Thursday, June 10



"Kiss the Boy/Kiss the Girl"

Friday, June 11 to Thursday, June 17



"Gay Like Me: Leading Roles"

Friday, June 18 to Sunday, June 27

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Here's the link to the actual exhibit:



www.mtr.org/exhibit/gaylesbian/index.htm



However, in the list of programs/characters, take a wild guess as to who is not included?

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GG Which is ironic, because in the MTR main website, w/ scenes of "classic TV" scrolling across the top, guess who is included? One Buffy Summers, that's who. Out

[sam7777]

I'm hoping that Nikki and Nora get a nod from UPN. This would be the first network show with lesbian leads which almost guarantees no dead or evil lesbian cliches (for the two principals at least). The pilot is being filmed in New Orleans:

Louisiana becoming popular film-production territory

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And in production in New Orleans right now, according to The Times-Picayune, is a Warner Bros. pilot called "Nikki and Nora."



Described as a "lesbian crime drama set in New Orleans," "Nikki and Nora" will star Liz Vassey ("The Tick," "Star Trek: The Next Generation" and Christina Cox ("Better than Chocolate," "Jane Doe" .



Although it has not been picked up as a regular series, if it is, it will be the first series to be shot in New Orleans since USA Network's "The Big Easy" shut down production in 1997.



Smith said if "Nikki and Nora" does get picked up by UPN, it will be important not only to the city but to the state as well.

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It'll be nice to see a location that doesn't look like LA, Vancouver or Toronto for a change. I used to watch "Spencer for Hire" for views of Boston.

[Gatito Grande]

Anyone else looking forward to this (on in an hour where I'm at, on ABC)?



GG Among my favorite books from my childhood. Out



ETA: eh, it was OK. I heard that in Europe it was originally a 4 hour (running time) miniseries, cut down to 2 hours, 20 minutes: you could tell (not near enough time w/ my beloved Aunt Beast. They didn't even really introduce the character; she was just there! ). Moreover, if anything, it actually felt "younger" than the book: Meg felt less mature than I had imagined her (and why is this American girl speaking w/ a Canadian accent? Actually, IIRC, the guy playing Calvin, from "Everwood," is Canadian too). Gotta love that kid (don't know the actor's name) playing Charles Wallace though: the kid from The Ring, again seen w/ Amber Tamblyn in JofA, as the late "Rocky."



The portrayal of the "witches" was off too: Mrs. Who (my fave, w/ all the quotes: boy, they certainly provoked questions when I first read the book ) got almost no screen time, and the performance was flat, too (speaking of flat: missed the stop on the two-dimensional planet!). I believe that Mrs. Which is supposed to come off more as mysterious (only partly materialized, w/ the remote, echo-y voice) than as judgmental (and it's she who takes Meg back to Camazotz, and says "You have something that It does not. This is your only weapon," not Mrs. Whatsit). And what the heck was Kate Nelligan wearing? It looked almost like a starched Elizabethan collar on her dress.



Ah yes, Mrs. Whatsit: I've always liked Alfre Woodard, but didn't care much for her portrayal here. Mrs. Whatsit is supposed to be sort of elderly (in human form!) eccentric . . . and I know that AW *can* play eccentric (see Miss Firecracker for example), but she just didn't do that here. She played her too earnest, IMO.



Finally, what happened to It? Some CGI squiggles coming up from the floor is not an, um, dignified (nor scary) depiction of the Big Ol' Fuhrer Brain (and Kyle Secor's Mr. Red Eyes didn't call It "the happiest sadist": one of those lines which, at age 10, I didn't get . . . and didn't get . . . till finally I looked up "sadist" in the dictionary! )



So . . . what you have here, is a critique by somebody who "loved the book": what every book-adaptor fears most. But while I was just 10 feet or so away from my copy of Wrinkle (which I haven't looked at in about 15 years), I didn't pull it out. This production just failed to hit (many of) the highpoints that I remembered most---or else, they were left on the cutting room floor).

Edited by: Gatito Grande at: 5/10/04 10:04 pm

[Webberific]

GG, first let me preface this message by saying that I've never read the book. (Hiding)



I saw parts of the TV movie version here and there, and for the most part I agree with you on your assessment: "eh." It seemed to suffer from the whole Special Effects Over Substance issue. Even the special effects weren't very, well, special. It looked like it could have been made in the late '80s.



One question: did you get any pings on your gaydar from how Meg was portrayed? Maybe it was just me, but she pinged majorly. Other than age and Canadian accent (hee), how do you feel about her translation from book to screen? Was Meg tomboyish in the book too? Just curious. I know, I know, I should read the book myself and answer my own question...but just askin'. Usually when girls are portrayed as tomboyish in the media, their tomboyishness is something that other characters "bring up" as an issue (negative or otherwise, but mostly as the subject of nagging or teasing) -- but I didn't see it at all in this movie, which I thought was refreshing. But again, I didn't see the whole thing.

[Gatito Grande]

Webberific (int. handle BTW---and Welcome to the K! ), I'd say this portrayal of Meg (and/or the actor?) pinged the gaydar more than the book did. (Missed Meg's Coke-bottle glasses which, when removed, prompts Calvin to say, in early 60's-speak---this is a remembered line!---"Put them back on: I don't want anyone else to know what dreamboat eyes you have." Come to think of it, that line may be why the glasses were subtracted! )



Ever see the movie Welcome to the Dollhouse (w/ Heather Mattarazzo)? That's the way Meg comes across in the book (well, not as sexual, but the book is from the early 1960s).



I thought the special effects were OK (was so curious how they were going to portray the two-dimensional planet, but since they didn't go there, no such luck). But I just wish that they'd concentrated more on the words---the ideas---in the book. (The ending is admittedly schlocky, any way you look at it, but somewhat less so in the book: you have to struggle, along w/ Meg, to avoid getting sucked in by the overwhelming logic of It, when she stumbles upon---Ta-Da!---LOVE as what she has that It doesn't.)



A word about religion: Madeleine L'Engle is a Christian. In fact, she's one of the most notable Episcopalian (like Yours Truly ) writers alive today. The book has a discernible Christian vibe to it (however, less so than those other famous Anglican children's books, the Chronicles of Narnia), but at the same time, L'Engle reflects the open-mindedness we Episcopalians are so noted for . For example, when Mrs. Who is listing those (does she call them "saints"---or do I just remember the list that way?) who have successfully fought The Darkness, I distinctly remember Buddha being on the list (before we get to Jesus, natch, at the end. IIRC).



Now the list does not include "Mother Theresa" and "Martin Luther King": these are anachronistic interpolations (MT wasn't known outside India then, I think. And King was still relatively early in his career---and very much alive, of course.) But it is interesting to me how both Jesus and Buddha are left out: like the producers don't want to offend somebody or other?



GG I am curious about what got cut, to make it fit the time---which is to say commericials'---constraints. Out

[Webberific]

Thanks GG. (BTW, I'm a "longtime listener, occasional caller" on the Kitten; my board handle is basically the evolution of a name that originally reflected my Web-junkie status)



With words like "dreamboat," it's a wonder the book wasn't written in the '40s or '50s! I certainly can't remember the last time I've heard that word in a contemporary setting. Maybe never?



I still haven't seen "Welcome to the Dollhouse" so I'm note quite sure what kind of character Heather played in that, except I think she was some sort of teen rocker? I'm so out of it. At least I know what movie you're talking about, and at least I know who she is. I loved her in "Now and Again" as Eric Close's daughter. I'm still a little sad that show got cancelled. (Anyone else like that show?)



It's interesting what you said about L'Engle and her religion influencing her writing and reflecting open-mindedness. It brings to mind "Joan of Arcadia" -- and so this should probably go into that thread, but I keep thinking about the Quaker girl that was introduced in that one episode, but not heard from again. As someone leaning toward Quaker beliefs, I was a bit annoyed by the girl's reaction to (or acceptance of) Joan's "Quaker Oats" and clothes reference, since Quaker Oats has nothing to do with the religion. And I was also a little annoyed that the writer of the episode had to include Richard Nixon as an example of a Quaker. I mean, come on... (I mean, I liked the girl -- played by an actress who was on "Gilmore Girls" -- just not how she was written in that instance.) Anyway, I did sort of appreciate the list of saints in "Wrinkle in Time: The Wonderful World of Disney Yadda Yadda" -- I think they were referred to as "warriors" against the Darkness, although I'm not sure about that. Wasn't Gandhi also in the list in the movie? Or maybe I'm making that up. I definitely would have been impressed if a Quaker had been in the list (and I don't mean Richard Nixon). Although, you're right, leaving out Buddha and Jesus is very significant.

Edited by: Webberific at: 5/12/04 4:10 am

[sam darls]

I've never read the book, but I gotta admit I loved the movie..maybe thats because I love the lil dude who plays Charles and Katie Stuart, who plays meg. She's sweet to talk to . Love sam xx

"Sometimes things happen between people that you don't really expect. And sometimes the things that are important are the ones that seem the weirdest or the most wrong. And those are the ones that change your life." - Jessie Sammler (Evan Rachel Wood)

[Gatito Grande]

Oh dear: you're referencing the *one* JofA episode I've missed (a VCR meltdown.Grrrr). And speaking of which, was "Charles Wallace" aka "Rocky" on JofA, played by David Dorfman? (When looking at the Wrinkle credits again, his was the name that looked familiar).



OK, curious about the "List o' Saints"---going to pull out the book now {GG tromps to one of innumerable bookcases in explosively messy apartment}



I'm back! OK, they're called "fighters," and Jesus starts the list (emphatically. Yelled by CW). The list, as presented by each of the 3 kids:



CW:"Jesus!" Later, "And Shakespeare, and Bach! And Pasteur and Madame Curie and Einstein!"



Calvin: "Leonardo Da Vinci? And Michaelangelo?" Later, "And Schweitzer and Gandhi and Buddha and Beethoven and Rembrandt and St. Francis!"



Meg (impatient, wants to get on w/ looking for her father): "Oh, Euclid, I suppose. And Copernicus"



The book was published in 1962 (strangely enough, also the year that GG came into the world! ), and here's Calvin, being all romantic:

(Meg has been crying, and has taken off the Coke-bottles ) "Do you know that this is the first time I've seen you without your glasses?" "I'm as blind as a bat without them. I'm near-sighted, like Father." "Well, you know what, you've got dream-boat eyes," Calvin said. "Listen, you go right on wearing your glasses. I don't think I want anybody else to see what gorgeous eyes you have." Meg smiled with pleasure.

[As does just about every awkward pre-adolescent girl reading the book! Calvin: what a sweetie. Natch, this being 1962, CW immediately breaks up their little tete a tete before anything racy can happen. ]



GG Debating whether to re-read Wrinkle on my long train ride to New York on Friday/Saturday. It really is a wonderful book, as is the second but *not* the third book in the series . . . Out

[Cicca]

oh hell. I missed it! I forgot it was on

One of my favourite books! Waaaaah!

Sounds like I'd have been grumpy with it anyway if Aunt Beast got short shrift. *stopping to wonder exactly what a shrift is*

Count me in as one of those preadolescent girls who sighed at Cal and the glasses and the dreamboat eyes. I was always thrilled that Meg grew up gorgeous 'cause maybe I would too. Crap!

I'll admit to being entertained by the third book, but it is a little strange. The one I really don't like is Many Waters. ugh!

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[Gatito Grande]

Many Waters: is that in the Wrinkle series (I didn't even know that Wrinkle had any sequels until over 10 years after reading it).



The thing that put me off about A Swiftly Tilting Planet (the third book, after the second which is A Wind at the Door) is its biological determinism: if this certain person's ancestors are one set, he becomes a dictator, but if they're another set, he's a saint. Poppycock! Ever heard of freewill, Madeleine? Or is a genetic "It" really in control after all? [Also, I thought she---Madeleine L'Engle---was getting dangerously enraptured by one kind of physical features: as if they (take a wild guess: they weren't African, or Asian, or Native American) somehow defined physical beauty. ]



Cicca, maybe you'll have a chance, sometime, to see this version of Wrinkle in its un- (well, less-)edited cut. That would be the way to go, to see if it was at all decent. I'm still glad I watched it, as is . . . but it does make you (me) miss the book.



GG Especially the (literary) Mrs Who. Oh, and Calvin's take on "The Tempest" too! (So great how ML'E wrote to *challenge* her readers, not talk down to them) Out

[Cicca]

Many Waters is Sandy and Dennis ending up back at the Noah's Ark thing. I only read it once but I really didn't like it.



After your comments about A Swiftly Tilting Planet I think I need to reread it!



And Mrs. Who wasn't literary?! Then it wasn't Mrs. Who.

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[Gatito Grande]

Well, maybe she was (Mrs. Who, doing the quoting thang). It's just that there was so little of her (in this edit), who could tell?



GG Oh, that's another thing I didn't like about the movie: Sandy and Dennys. In the book they're just supposed to be boringly normal, but here they were actively obnoxious. Out

[Cicca]

Well poop. I don't know if I'll like the movie!

I guess this is one where I want them to be as literal with it as they were with the Harry Potter movies.



And damn, I knew I spelled Dennys wrong! I always thought his name was pronounced like the restaurant. What can I say? I first read it when I was 11 or so.

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[Jennpurr]

I wasn't sure where to post this.



Did anyone watch this when it was on Wednesday night?

I found Rene's story very moving, what I have watched

so far, at least. I taped it, but haven't had time to

watch it in it's entirety.



Here's the schedule:





# Showtime Too

Wednesday 9:00 PM



# Showtime

May 22 2:00 AM



# Showtime Too

May 24 12:30 AM



# Showtime

May 30 12:30 AM



# Showtime

Jun 7 10:45 PM







Here's the sypnosis:



Rene, 31, a female-to-male gender reassignment

candidate took hormones for years and "passed" as a

man for all of his adult life. Married to his

high-school sweetheart, Wona, a heterosexual woman,

for 12 years, no one would guess Rene was biologically

a woman.



Living under a veil of secrecy and lies, Rene and

Wona's lives seemed fine until someone "outted" the

couple at their beloved church and everything they

knew was destroyed. The public revelation of Rene's

secret starts to unravel his marriage to Wona.



Through all of it, Rene continues to hold on to his

lifelong obsession to become a biological male and

goes on a cross-country search to find the best

transgender surgeon, only to discover that the current

surgery options are flawed.



At the last minute, Rene finds a surgeon who has

created an experimental procedure, which will be seen

in THE OPPOSITE SEX for the first time.



Rene's Story



There's a trailer at the link above.





Jen

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Phoebe: Be vewy, vewy quiet. We're hunting demons. ~ Charmed: Season 2, "P3 H20"

[urnofosiris]

Thanks for posting that Jen. When I click the link it says:



"We at Showtime Online express our apologies; however, these pages are intended for access only from within the United States."



Could you copy and paste the contents and post them or could you or someone else make a pic of the screen and mail it to me (garfield@kittenboard.com). I am curious about that experimental procedure.

[Jennpurr]

You're very welcome, Garfield. I'm sorry you couldn't view the link. Um... the link itself doesn't actually tell of the procedure. You have to see the film to know what it is.



I'm going to post more about this in The Trans Thread.



Jen

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Phoebe: Be vewy, vewy quiet. We're hunting demons. ~ Charmed: Season 2, "P3 H20"

Edited by: Jennpurr at: 5/15/04 10:38 am

[mollyig]

I just noticed that one of the tv stations here shows "The Wire". I know there is a lesbian character in the show, but that's all I know. Can anyone tell me if it's worth watching?



Thanks.

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"Love is just like breathing when it's true" Indigo Girls

[sam7777]

UPN announced their fall schedule but unhappily "Nikki and Nora" (drama about two New Orleans-based lesbian private detectives) is not on it. Too bad. It was one of the very few shows in development that I was looking forward to.

_____________________

I still see dead lesbian cliches

[maudmac]

I saw Soul Plane today. It was crude. It was hilarious. I love Mo'Nique. Fans of her standup won't be disappointed here. She's not in it a whole lot, but enough that it's worth seeing for her, I think. The Parkers is pretty boring, to me. To appreciate Mo'Nique, you really have to see her when she's free and she's plenty free in Soul Plane.



Oh, yeah, there are some other people in it, too. And it has a plot and stuff.

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and i don't really care if you think i'm strange   /   i ain't gonna change

[Jennpurr]

Isn't that the movie with, Snoop?



Jen

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Phoebe: Be vewy, vewy quiet. We're hunting demons. ~ Charmed: Season 2, "P3 H20"
Quia ego cognosco cogitationes meas, quas ego cogito super vos, dicit Jehova, cogitationes pacis, et non in malum; ut dem vobis finem et expectationem. ~ Jeremiah 29:11

[SySnootles]

Has anyone else seen this small independant film called "Session 9"? It's very ambiguous and thought provoking. There are many levels and interpretations, and it's pretty darn creepy.

Catie



When I'm 130 years old, I want a pill that makes me so happy and so unself-conscious and so randy I'm willing to make love to my fuzzy bed slippers on my front lawn and yodel at the same time. -- Scott Adams from Dilbert and the way of the Weasel

[Hyo Shin]

Azumi a very violent Japanese action movie. It was just a little too bloody for my taste but still quite entertaining.



www.imdb.com/title/tt0384819/



www.amuse-soft.co.jp/azumi/



In war-torn Japan, the Tokugawa Shogun, desperate to restore peace to his people, orders the assassination of the hostile warlords. A beautiful young woman is raised from birth with nine other orphans, to become an assassin. Her name is AZUMI, the ultimate assassin.



There is an interesting subtext between Azumi and a circus girl named Yae. It's quite complicate because Yae is the only person who want to make her 'a real woman.'

[dekalog]

Great film - not an easy subject.



www.imdb.com/title/tt0314039/



Disagreed with the review. This film is not Philadelphia nor does it try to be. It deals with choosing to die. It is not pablum for a straight audience.



Thom Fitzgerald also did The Hanging Garden another great film. Plus Parker Posey is as always brilliant, and you even get to see Jane Leeves as a dyke.

[Gatito Grande]

For us po' folk who haven't had access to HBO (except, as in my case, developing affection for the show through occasional viewings on a Free Preview Weekend), Sex in the City begins tonight on TBS (10PM). The burning question is, "How much will be cut?" (e.g. Samantha's breasts )



GG Nor will Samantha ever develop a thing for "Father Fuck" on TBS I suspect! Out

[dekalog]

Finally saw Mike Figgis' Hotel on the weekend. If you are into dv at all make sure you check it out. Some really interesting things. I especially loved how he played with dropouts and pixelation in a couple of places.

Plus Saffron Burrows (and some other great actors )



ps if you aren't into the dogma, dv, or improvised insanity you will sit there like my best friend and look from the screen to the person who is enjoying it and alternate between and

[MadeinNZ]

OK - this movie has got to be the saddest friggin movie of all time. I purposely didn't watch it cause I know how it ends. But I couldn't help myself. 15 mins from the end. What was I thinking!



"Oh-look-at-the-sad-face-on-that-child*sniff*he's-so-sad*gulp"his-mother-is-dying*wail*she's-so-brave*hic*

look-how-distraught-Shirly-MacLaine-is*sob*"





I feel better now.

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go." -- Oscar Wilde

Edited by: Warduke at: 6/21/04 7:46 pm

[dekalog]

a friend just sent me this in an email and I thought I'd post it here - not sure how many of you have seen the film "The Corporation" - but it's a well made documentary - with some well known faces like Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky in it.



Here's the email:

Hey fans of The Corporation!

It would be cool to see the trailer on www.apple.com/trailers ... they have a copy ... but they haven't put it up. With the New York launch at Film Forum coming up on June 30, it would be great to give people another way to see the trailer.

Maybe you can help!

A little gentle pressure from Corporation fans might be a good idea. All you need to do is email a nice friendly request to trailers@mac.com asking them to put The Corporation trailer up on their site.

If you want to know where the film is playing (it's booked in over 50 US cities now) check the Now Playing section on the US site at www.TheCorporation.com

pass it on!



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[feena191]

Hi everyone it's *months* since I posted coz of access probs. I can only get online on a Friday at the moment.



I'm trying to expand my film-watching & I want to watch some good Bollywood & Manga films.



Anyone got any suggestions?



Feena

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[Cicca]

I haven't seen any Bollywood movies, but Bollywood Hollywood is a lot of fun. It's likely even funnier if you're familiar with all the Bollywood "cliches".



And I'm going to recommend a trashy show.

North Shore. It's hugely silly and fluffy, but it's fun summer watching. They even had hot lesbians (tm) in the first ep. Bad girl tennis star and her hot publicist.

Anyway, it's good fluufy viewing if you want that sort of thing. And the blonde bartender gal is cuuuuuuute!

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?