Survivor: Guatemala - The Maya Empire

[maudmac.]

Starting Thursday, September 15, 8 p.m. Eastern/Pacific

Cast info's gone up recently here. (Wow, I see it snowed down there. Even more than usual. )

Or, from eonline.com:

Show creator Mark Burnett says this year's contestants will face triple-digit heat, crocodile infested waters, relentless mosquitoes and terrifying sounds of the howler monkeys. The first episode will feature an 11-mile, overnight hike through the jungle, as well as two additional (and yet-to-be-revealed) surprises in the first episode that will dramatically impact how they play the game.

Here's a quick rundown of who will try to outwit, outlast and outplay:

* Brandon Bellinger, 22, farmer/rancher from Manhattan, Kansas

* Danni Boatwright, 30, a sports radio talk show host from Tonganoxie, Kansas

* Margaret Bobonich, 43, a family nurse practitioner from Chardon, Ohio

* Brian Corridan, 22, an Ivy League student from New York City

* Cindy Hall, 31, a zookeeper from Naples, Florida

* Gary Hogeboom, 36, an ex-NFL quarterback and real estate developer from Grand Haven, Michigan

* Rafe Judkins, 22, another Ivy Leaguer from Providence, Rhode Island

* Jim Lynch, 63, a retired fire captain from Northglenn, Colorado

* Morgan McDevitt, 21, a magician’s assistant and waitress from Decatur, Illinois

* Lydia Morales, 42, a fishmonger from Lakewood, Washington

* Jamie Newton, 24, a water ski instructor from Hollywood, California

* Amy O’Hara, 39, a police sergeant from Revere, Massachusetts

* Judd Sergeant, 34, a hotel doorman from Ridgefield, N.J.

* Brooke Struck, 26, a law student from Santa Monica, California

* Blake Towsley, 24, a commercial real estate broker and model from Dallas, Texas

* Brianna Varela, 21, a makeup artist and retail salesperson

There is precious little information at the CBS site, so if you want to know more about the location and such, try fansite Survivor Fever.

Spoiler:

Word is, Steph and Bobby Jon are back in some capacity. No one seems sure whether they'll actually be participating contestants or functioning more as leaders or guides or whatever. I care not much, because it'll be lovely to see Steph again. Yay, Steph!

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(I ditched the text of the original post here because it was filled with messy old ezcode and it was all about ASS which no one cares about anymore anyway.)

[Krazy Dreamer]

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“Or ASS (All-Star Survivor), if you prefer. ”

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What’s up with that, maudmac?





Ok, I admit it, I’m a Reality TV junkie of which Survivor is definitely one of my favorite programs. Let me just say right now that I’m super-psyched about Survivor All-Stars as three of my favorite players of all time are going to be on, Rupert, Kathy, and Alicia. Rob C’s pretty cool too and who can help but like Colby. (I tried really, really hard not to like him, I really did.) Besides, he’s a fellow-Texan like meself. Oh, and Jerri's always good for a laugh.

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

[maudmac]

Hey, I don't know. ASS sounds good to me. It seems to be what most Survivor fans online are calling it.



Rupert, Kathy, Alicia, yep. All good. I'm definitely happy to be seeing more of them. Rob C. played the game brilliantly and it's going to interesting to see if he'll use the same strategies again. Probably be more difficult with this bunch, though. Colby's really hard not to like, especially since he basically handed Tina a million dollars because he wanted to do the right thing. (I was glad that Tina won, though.) I trust Jerri to make lots of big drama.



I think they did a good job of putting the tribes together. Seems like a good mix of personalities. (Although it would be such fun to see a tribe with Susan, Jerri, Rudy, Rupert, Lex, and Richard all together. There would be bloodshed.)



Is the Super Bowl over yet?

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[Krazy Dreamer]

Well, I guess ASS does seem appropriate after seeing that Richard Hatch is up to his old tricks again. And besides making me want to vomit, it was great fun to see him flash Big Tom after the immunity challenge. I realize he was flashing everyone, but I just got a great deal of pleasure seeing him flash Tom. Another thing that I really enjoyed seeing was Colby and Lex trying to make fire by rubbing two sticks together while Kathy looked on with glasses on her face. Glasses! You can rub two sticks together all day, but the way to make fire is by using glasses to concentrate the sun’s rays on the tinder. Kind of reminiscent of Lord of the Flies, except Kathy is no Piggy. Cut to the pompous, arrogant, but humorous Richard Hatch saying he could probably make fire without breaking a sweat, but he’s not going to let them know that. Then he lets out one of his evil maniacal laughs. I couldn’t help but bust out laughing myself. I may not be able to stand him personally, but he definitely makes me laugh. One more highlight that I really enjoyed about this first episode was the way Colby looked like he had smelled something really bad as soon as he saw Jerri walk out with her tribe. Jerri seems to be on her best behavior. For now. We’ll see how long that lasts once she starts getting hungry and tired. Either way should be incredibly entertaining to watch. And watching Sue drink the contaminated water was also fun. (Insert Richard’s evil maniacal laugh here.) Ok, I’m really not that cruel. I actually could relate to her, because I think I probably would have done the same thing, and taken my chances with possible diseases and parasites rather than certain dehydration. And I couldn’t help laughing again when Jeff Probst asked Rudy, a former Navy Seal, if it was wise of Sue to drink the water to which he replied, “Yep.” And right after, Jeff asked, “Is that because she’s on the other tribe?” He again answered, “Yep.”



Ok, now on to my opinions about strategy. I think Jenna L. is running her mouth too much and that’s going to get her in big trouble. I think Kathy and Colby have a really good shot at making it far, and I’d like to see them form a secret alliance together. I’d also really enjoy seeing Rob C, Alicia, and Amber join together to get rid of, in order, Big Tom, Sue, and Rob M. (I can dream can't I?) On Saboga, I’m really pleased to see that Rupert and Rudy and have joined forces. They both appear to be men of honor and integrity, and neither one did any backstabbing in their editions of Survivor, so it should prove interesting to see how far this alliance will get them.

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“I think they did a good job of putting the tribes together. Seems like a good mix of personalities. (Although it would be such fun to see a tribe with Susan, Jerri, Rudy, Rupert, Lex, and Richard all together. There would be bloodshed.)”

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True, but don’t forget Jerri and Rudy are on the same team, so we may see some fireworks there soon. Also, Alicia and Sue are on the same team and I can’t imagine them becoming the best of buds. Also, I could be wrong about this, but I’m expecting Alicia and Big Tom to be clashing soon as well. She and Rob M already had an altercation. One thing I really enjoy about Alicia is that she doesn’t take BS from anybody. Ok, this is already getting too long. Can’t wait until Thursday to see what happens next. Heck, I may just watch the encore presentation on Tuesday just for laughs.

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

[Tiggrscorpio]

I have no problem admitting that I really enjoy watching Survivor and I'm going to be tuned in every week to see how the All Stars play out.



I was happy with the first person voted out and I don't blame the others for going right after a previous winner. I loved seeing a Rudy & Rupert alliance and hope they both do really well this time around. It cracked me up how Jerri was just trying to keep her mouth shut and not piss anybody off. Richard was back with even more girth than the last time. It will surprise me if he isn't one of the first to go, but you can never count him out.



I enjoyed the twists that come up with the previous group on the Pearl Islands. I'm sure there are plenty in store for the All Stars. I'm hoping there may be even more previous Survivors to join the ones shown last night.

*****



"The toast is fine. Toast bread good...anything else bad. Bad! Evil!" Amber Benson referring to the food at The Friar Tuck

[jessan15]

Richard needs to go....i wish to this day i understood how he managed to win the first installment...i agree that all the former winners are toast no matter what they do. I wouldn't let them win again...



Rupurt...good luck buddy...you rock.



Amber...she so cute! Only Elisabeth would have been cuter.



Uncle Tom...shut up already...



Rob...you need to get over your narsassitic self...boy does he need slapped....



Rudy, i adore you, but i also know in my heart that a 75 year old is never going to win this game. Hang in there as long as possible.



Colby...i hated you the first time around...not liking you much more right now. Jerri the original bitch returns...i love it.



Susan drink all the water you want.



Jenna...SHUT UP.



Ethan...run dude...fast and far...



Alicia get your bitch on girl and crack some skulls.



Lex...u go you. Hope you win!



Next episode is on tonight...i wonder if its another former winning taking the walk of shame?

Love Will Find a Way

[Tempest Duer]

I have only seen half an episode of ASS and I've never seen any of the others, but Hatch just makes me sick. Not because he's naked, but because he's so damn fat and naked.



Didn't he spend his prize money from the original Survivor on liposuction?

Willow: Hey Buff. One more thing. Buffy: Yeah? Willow: I’m gay. Buffy: Okay, Will. Xander owes me ten bucks.

~Remember to Breathe by Yellow Crayon

[Cicca]

Richard makes me laugh. He's SO cocky that it's fun to watch. Er... Um, I mean arrogant.



I guess I've forgotten if Jenna Lewis annoyed me the first time around, but I've been surprised by how often I'm yelling at her through the tv. heheheh "Shut uuuuup!!!"

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[Rally]

Having watched every Survivor, it is pretty interesting how some have changed and how some have not. Richard is arrogant and annoying, but Colby bought into it tonight. The typical anti gay sentiment saying Rich just wants to see me naked, as if Colby.



Jerri, Rupert, Shii Ann and a few others seem to have learned somewhat from their mistakes, but we will see how long this lasts.



Ethan and Jenna M, the worst winners ever are not gaining anything in their causes.



Big Tom, Alicia and Boston Rob are just as annoying as ever.



Amber is as big a tool as ever.



Going to be interesting, at least.

Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Cicca]

I don't know, Big Tom makes me laugh.



As for seeing Colby naked, well, there are worse things that could happen on that island!

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

[maudmac]

So far no one but Jenna L. and Boston Rob have really gotten on my nerves. I don't hate Richard. He's a snarky bitch, but he's amusing to watch. So what if he's chunky? Honestly, it would be smart to puff up some before you get dumped on the beach with nothing.



It was kind of touching to see them all so sad to have to vote Rudy off.

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[Tiggrscorpio]

I can't believe Saboga didn't catch on during the immunity challenge and flip their boat over to get the water out. They just kept bailing while everyone passed them.



I was sorry to see Rudy go. Even if he was having a hard time, I think he could have bounced back. I would have liked to see Ethan join Rudy and Rupert's alliance and vote out Jenna L. I don't remember her being as annoying the first time around, but she's making up for it now.

*****



"The toast is fine. Toast bread good...anything else bad. Bad! Evil!" Amber Benson referring to the food at The Friar Tuck

[Krazy Dreamer]

I think perhaps Rupert has too much honor and integrity for Survivor. I admire and respect this man so much and wish I could meet more people like him. Unfortunately, I don’t think it will carry him very far in this game. His ability to catch fish and his likeable personality will take him farther, but, and I say this with a heavy heart, I just don’t see him winning. Rudy got voted out, and he seemed bitter about it, but he really has no one to blame but himself. Of course it was only logical for the others to want to get rid of him, because they see him as a liability in challenges, however, if either he or Rupert would have approached Ethan, I think it would have been very easy to convince him to vote Jenna L. out instead. After all, she has freely stated in front of Ethan that she would never vote for him to win the game, and the last time I checked, she wasn’t doing that great in the challenges either. (Ethan, Rupert, and Jerri seem to be carrying the tribe in the challenges.) Anyway, they would have had the majority three votes they needed, since there were only five tribemates left. Jenna L. and Jerri still would have voted against Rudy, but it would have been inconsequential. This leads me to believe that either Rupert was convinced that Rudy needed to leave or he’s not very good at the political part of the game. I suspect the latter, especially in light of what happened to him last time around. If only he would have listened to Sandra… But I really enjoyed seeing this big pirate-like man jumping up and down like a little kid once they got the fire started. Also Jenna L. is really annoying me with her bossiness, and I don’t think Rudy appreciated the condescending way she was talking to him. He’s old enough to be her grandfather, and in my opinion, she should have treated him with more respect.

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

[maudmac]

Poor Jenna. But it's obvious she did the right thing in leaving. It was good to see no one giving her a really hard time. She's no quitter - she's no Osten.



Whoa, Rupert's big idea about putting their shelter in a hole was tremendously stupid. I'm honestly surprised. Poor Rupert. Good for Jerri, though. I thought she did a really good job opposing him, but keeping her head on straight. She's playing a much better game this time around and I'm starting to really like her.



I think Colby's got that good ol' boy thing where a gay man is perceived as a threat to his masculinity. My like for him is diminishing.



Can we have less Boston Rob, please? He bugs me.

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[Krazy Dreamer]

Well, this episode focused mainly on Jenna Morasca, as it should have. I was sorry to see her leave, but her mother dying of cancer definitely takes precedence over a game. I think it took a lot of courage for her to tell Jeff she needed to leave. I was just glad she made it home in time before her mother died.



Yeah, I was disappointed in Rupert’s shelter idea myself, but I think Jerri made the right decision in giving in to him. She’s trying really hard not to make waves this time around, and I have to applaud her. I’ll admit I really didn’t like her too much the first time around, although I’ve always enjoyed watching her. I think she may have a few more surprises up her sleeve. I hope so.



I still like Colby. I honestly don’t think he means any offense. I mean it is Richard Hatch we’re talking about here. And I don't think it's his gayness, but his nakedness that's bothering Colby. But that’s all I’m going to say, because I don’t want to get into any arguments with anyone, nor do I mean to offend anyone.



I was happy to see a little more of Kathy this week, even though it was mostly centered on her comforting Jenna M. And man, Alicia’s looking delicious and butchy. I honestly didn’t even notice Big Tom’s annoying face or voice, because I was too focused on her. But it’s time to get my head out of the clouds.



Anyway, I kind of have mixed feelings about Boston Rob and Amber hooking up. I don’t think it was a very smart move for either of them, because they have just made themselves targets for the others to get rid of. Also, Alicia seems to be hanging out with them quite a bit, so I wonder if they’re in the process of forming some sort of an alliance. Of course I think I'd rather spend time with them than with Tom or Sue, too. So it may have nothing to do with alliances, although I think Rob C would be really cool to hang out with, and he's definitely a better choice for an alliance partner.



Anyway, next week’s episode looks exciting! Knocking each other over with giant Tetris- like blocks, because they’re blind-folded. Looks painful, but exciting.

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

[maudmac]

Yeah, Jenna definitely did make the right decision. I do think that I probably wouldn't have gone on the show at all if my mom were that sick, but I could never judge Jenna for doing it. Her mom was sick already the last time Jenna was on, wasn't she? So if she's been sick for that long, I can imagine Jenna might've thought "Oh, I can be gone for a month or so."



I feel the same way you do about Jerri. She was fun to watch, but I didn't like her one bit last time. I think you're right that it was probably smart to defer to Rupert about the shelter. Besides just not rocking the boat too much, it also gave Rupert an opportunity to hurt the tribe and look a little bit like a liability. My Rupert-love is still strong, though, no matter what he does. (But I do think he's not exactly the most savvy player.)



I hear you about Colby. That's a good point. I hadn't thought of it just being Richard's nakedness that bugged him so. I know that I would be deeply bugged to have anyone running around completely naked about 90% of the time. You could almost look at it as a kind of assault, in a way. Nonetheless, Richard is amusing to me. I don't know if I think he's playing a smart game. I think it's smart to make an effort to fly a bit under the radar and do only enough to keep everyone else from complaining that you're lazy. (Like the way Sandra played. I want to say I think Tina played that way, too, but I don't remember enough of that season to say for sure.) But if that's how Richard is playing it, he probably needs to do a bit more and put some damn clothes on. (Please tell me I wasn't the only one thinking that I would be terrified of getting nibbled - or worse - in my privates by the fishies if I were to swim naked. And with sharks? Oh, hell no! )



It was very nice to see more of Kathy this week. I was rooting for her to win Marquesas.



Oh, man, Alicia in that hat? And she's got those arms... Whoa.



Heh, I kinda like Big Tom. I don't know why, but I can't help it.



I agree about Boston Rob and Amber. They should make an effort to be more low-key if they're going to seriously hook up. I think I would want to appear more aloof, or to spend about equal time with each of my tribemates, so as to muddle the question of who I might have alliances with.



Sue, Sue, Sue. Soooo loud and obnoxious. Bleh.



Have you noticed that Rob C. doesn't seem his usual self? Granted, we haven't seen much of him so far, but I don't think I've heard him laugh or really seen him smile once.

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[Krazy Dreamer]

There were so many things going on in this episode, so please forgive me if I don’t cover everything. I want to start, though, by quoting what Kathy said at the end of last week’s episode, “Even though it’s a game, there’s a whole lot more going on here.”



Ok, so Jerri broke down this week, and for the first time my heart actually did go out to her. While some may perceive this as being weak, I am just happy to see that she is human after all. (This was questionable during her Australian stint.) And for a control freak like Jerri, it was not surprising that she felt like she was going mad since everything was so completely out of her hands. Jerri is fast becoming one of my favorite players.



Richard’s getting way too cocky and overly confident in his position in the tribe. It reminds me of the saying, “Pride goeth before a fall.” This game has advanced since the time he was puppet-master in the original Survivor, and fishing skills will only get you so far. I certainly wouldn’t want to underestimate this man, and I love the little psychological games he plays, but I’ll be surprised if he makes it to the half-way point unless he changes his perspective. The minute you let your guard down and start feeling too confident, that’s the minute the rug is pulled out from under your feet. He definitely is fun to watch, though, and the show will lose a lot of its humor value once he’s gone.



Speaking of humor, I think Sue deserved the comedy award this week when she said, “You have no bone to give me, Richard.” And then he said, “That is absolutely true.”



Chapera this week was brains vs. brawn, and brains lost. In the first place, there is no reason Chapera should have lost the immunity challenge. They had had a glimpse the time before of what kind of challenge it was going to be. They should not have sat Rob C out to begin with. I agree with both him and Tom that he would have done much better in this immunity challenge than Alicia. Not to knock Alicia, but who you choose as your friends says a lot about you. ‘Nuff said. The mental aptitude on Chapera just took a sharp decline. It was a smart move in the long-run to get rid of Rob C, because he definitely would have become a contender later in the game, but if there are any more mental challenges, Chapera’s sunk. On the other hand, it looks like next week they may be mixing up the tribes anyway or changing to two tribes since they announced that the first twist of the game was going to take place. (Survivor veterans know what this means.) In which case it was a very smart move to get rid of Rob C while they had the chance. Either way, I’m going to miss seeing what types of plots and schemes he may have come up with.



In answer to your question last week, concerning Rob C, maudmac, if you remember during Survivor Amazon, Rob didn’t really do all that well in the beginning game there either, and the big boys wanted to get rid of him. I think that still plagued his mind and affected his mindset preventing him from doing what he needed to do to stay in the game. It also prevented him from having very much fun. Rob really has the middle and end game down, he just needs to work on his opening moves. It’s all about Chess, baby! Too bad he won’t get his chance to shine. My honest opinion is that if he wouldn’t have pushed so hard for Alicia to be voted out before Sue when he was talking to Boston Rob, he might have had a chance of staying in the game. Didn’t he see her hanging out with Boston Rob and Amber? What was he thinking? I’m really puzzled by why he would have pushed for such a risky move and not expected to get bit.



My opinion, Amber should have gone this week. That would have been good for the tribe physically as well as strategically, breaking up the love fest between her and Boston Rob which would have also taken away the distraction from Boston Rob forcing him to concentrate more on the game than on his hormones. On the other hand, never mind, who here wants to see Boston Rob win? A show of hands, please. No takers? I stand corrected.

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

[Quirky Canadian]

omg i love ASS come on! you know what i actually mean lol

Saboga is my fave team from the beginning im so sad that there are only 4 of them left. I actually like jerry in this one before i thought she was a biatch but now that she is quiet she isnt that bad.

i want colby to win sooo badly he's a hottie. lol hes just so ruggedly handsome. i think it's so great that richard is still keeping up his nudi-ness i think its hilarious.

I hate how chapera is constantly winning im glad they finally lost someone.

My faves are Colby, Jenna L., and Amber. My least faves are Tom and rupert i mean he basically lost the house competition for saboga.

BTW i know who the final 2 are but im not gonna say because i am not mean by telling everyone. but if you wanna know then just ask.

Edited by: Quirky Canadian at: 2/24/04 11:46 pm

[Krazy Dreamer]

This week we had another episode jam-packed with action, excitement, and strategy.

We started off with the raft challenge which was basically build a pontoon raft and then race against the other two teams. The third place tribe would then be dissolved and absorbed by the two remaining tribes. Seemed simple enough. It looked to me, though, like Saboga threw the raft challenge. They just didn’t seem enthusiastic or like they wanted to win at all. I think maybe they were tired of their camp, especially since their shelter was destroyed during the storm, and were looking forward to moving, but that’s just my speculation. Jerri seemed very pleased and appeared to have caught her second wind once she switched over to the Mogo Mogo tribe. (Or as my friend calls it, the Moco Moco tribe.) What a huge difference between the Saboga Jerri at the beginning of the episode to the new and improved Mogo Mogo Jerri. And go Jerri! Finding the key for her new tribe really seemed to lift her spirits. (Come to think about it, I think Jerri has grown and matured as a person more than any of the other players since her previous Survivor appearance in Australia two years ago. I know she has certainly earned my respect which she didn’t have before.)



And forgive me for not being amused by Tom’s drunken behavior. I’m sorry. I know there are people here who like him, and everyone’s entitled to her own opinion, but I just can’t stand him. Every once in a while he might say or do something mildly amusing, but for the most part he relies on a crude and baser form of humor that doesn’t appeal to me.



Jenna L. is so full of herself saying she had control over who everyone was voting for in her old camp. It ought to be fun to see her butt heads with Boston Rob since they both appear to be under the same illusion.



Loved the fish-catching competition thing between Ethan and Richard. Hmm, guess your fishing skills aren’t going to save you after all, huh Richard? Oops. Don’t want to get ahead of myself. Speaking of which, Richard really crossed the line during the immunity challenge. In the first place it was a very cowardly move for him to remove his shorts in order to prevent the other team from challenging him, but rubbing himself against Sue was completely uncalled for. It was just wrong. (I wouldn’t be surprised if contestants in future Survivor shows are required to wear clothing during challenges.) But Boston Rob totally dominated this challenge, flying ninja-like across the planks as if he were walking on air. Love him or hate him, it was an amazing sight to behold.



Kathy is hilarious saying she doesn’t know how she got stuck in the middle having to choose between Colby and Rich to leave. That strategy of being in the middle and always being the swing vote is what got her to 3rd place in the Marquesas before Neleh stabbed her in the back. That said, it looks like it’s going to be men vs. women from here on out in this tribe. Obviously they didn’t show what took place that changed the women’s minds from voting against Colby to voting against Rich, but I speculate that Kathy got the women to agree to vote out Richard in an attempt to dupe the men and give them a false sense of security. When will the men learn to stop underestimating the women? This is one of the main reasons why women have won 4 out of the 7 previous Survivors, including the last one in Panama. (While there were a lot of people who thought Sandra was coasting and didn’t deserve to win, I thought she played a brilliant, if subtle, game, and I was rooting for her from day one.)



So my prediction came true, and Richard Hatch was voted out fifth. The king has fallen from his throne, and the peasants struggle to make it alone. Oh, how are we ever going to survive without ya, Rich?

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

[maudmac]

Jerri is really impressing me lately. It's like she's a whole new person this time around. If she keeps it up, she'll be on my list of favorite contestants ever. (Plus, she's hot in those glasses. )



I hear you about Tom. He was obnoxious. I don't like him enough to be blind to his faults.



Jenna L. and Boston Rob...you'd think they'd have learned by now that you can think whatever you like about who's got the power, but you never really know. Until TC, at least. I'd like to see them both go. They bug.



Does Ethan have a personality? I haven't noticed one.



Sue peeing on the raft? That was one of the most vile and disgusting things I think I've ever seen on this show. I swear. I'd be furious. I'm growing to hate her tremendously.



Richard definitely did cross the line. That was horrible. I already thought he might have some boundary issues, but that was so far out of line. I still don't know why they didn't slap the fuck out of him right then and there. That's getting into assault territory, and I think you're right that it might bring about a new rule about contestants being clothed for challenges. After his display, I wasn't sorry to see him go. I did wonder what must have transpired between what we saw and TC that night to make everyone vote for him.



I agree, Boston Rob was a force of nature during that challenge. Don't like him one bit, but it's the truth. That was amazing.



Kathy's playing a smart game. I'd like to see Kathy, Jerri, and Shii Ann sticking together.



Poor Rupert. I'm mostly convinced now that he might just suck at this game. It pains me to say it, because I have a big ol' soft spot for him, but I don't feel like I can root in good conscience for him to win, because I think a number of other people are playing with greater skill than Rupert is. Speaking of which....



Sandra played brilliantly. I loved her from the beginning and I was soooo happy she won. (I was somewhat spoiled, having read early on about that offshore betting stuff, which I think wasn't necessarily considered reliable spoilage at the time. But the further Sandra went, the more confident I was that she would go all the way.)



Since Kathy was my favorite for Marquesas, I'm gonna root for her this time around, but if Jerri wins, I won't be upset about that. I could deal with Alicia, Lex, Shii Ann, or Rupert winning, too.



Oh, pfffft, it's too early to be talking about the winner. There's still weeks and weeks of drama yet.

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I have no professional training. I already gave my best. I have no regrets at all.

[eveningstar845]

Oh boy! I wish it was Ethan. I don't like Richard but at least he made me laugh. Ethan bored me to death.

The only abnormality is the incapacity to love - Anais Nin

[jessan15]

Oh I must vent...not to enrage anyone, if you feel Susan was right, please read no further in my post for it may upset you.



About the Sue/Rich disaster....Sue, get over yourself. If you had an ounce of a clue in your head...you would realize that he only did it cause he is OPENLY HOMOSEXUAL. He was having a little fun...and as far as you being upset over the whole thing....if that were actually the case you shoulda screamed foul, pushed the little chit off the bar or even given him a shot to the privates. He would have deserved it. Don't come back a day later and say you were violated. Is it any wonder why people in this country have relationship problems? Speak out. LOULDLY and IMMEDIATELY...ALWAYS.



I miss Rich...he made me laugh...the nudity i coulda done without, but i am a lesbian, so its just not my forte, ya know?



Colby needs to get off his high horse along with Boston Rob. No one controls anything. It's all in the minds of the players.



So IMHO, this weeks episode was dull and pretty boring...thank God next week is going to have a surprise twist...hopefully.

Love Will Find a Way

[Tiggrscorpio]

This Survivor is certainly turning out to be unique to say the least. I certainly respect Sue's decision to voluntarily leave, as none of us can know how she truly was feeling. Richard's behavior crossed the line, however, it was her choice to engage him in the challenge. She was going in an opposite direction and decided to turn around to confront him. Doing this particular challenge naked was a good strategy on his part, but again, his actions were unacceptable. In a similar situation, I would feel as humiliated and angry as Sue does now. I would have slugged him right there, though I'm sure the show has strict rules against that.



Thank goodness for Kathy and her urging the group to go on with the reward challenge. I think a "sit around and talk about how we're feeling" might have made me gag. I didn't watch the season that Kathy was on, but I'm liking her more and more and hope she continues to do well.



I think Boston Rob and Colby are going to take some pretty large falls off the pedestals they've put themselves on.

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"The history of our nation has demonstrated that separate is seldom, if ever, equal." The Massachusetts Supreme Court upholding its ruling in favor of gay marriage

[maudmac]

I guess I shouldn't presume to say what Sue should or shouldn't have done either at the challenge (although I think I would have slapped the shit out of Richard on the spot, rules or no) or the next day, but I can't lie - I'm not sorry to see her go.



I agree with Alicia that Tom's stupid victory dance was in poor taste. It might be appropriate if they'd voted Sue off, but not in light of what had actually happened.



Hee, yes, Boston Rob and Colby are in for a rude awakening one of these days, I hope. If Kathy, Shii Ann, and Jerri stick together and play their cards right, I bet they wouldn't have any trouble getting rid of Colby. I think that Ethan and Lex would both go whichever way the wind is blowing. And good for Shii Ann that she recognizes the kind of game Kathy is playing.



I'm not crazy about seeing Rupert climbing into bed with Boston Rob. Bleh. As much as it pains me to say it, though, Chapera would probably be smart to keep Rob around until the merge. Then again, it's become obvious that no one should assume anything about when or how a merge might happen.



I'm anxious to see what twisty thing happens next week. The game gets so much more interesting as the numbers dwindle.

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I have no professional training. I already gave my best. I have no regrets at all.

[Krazy Dreamer]

Wow! This episode completely blew me out of the water. I was shocked that Sue withdrew herself from the game. I’m still not quite sure what to make of it. I may not have liked her too much, but I honestly thought she was made of tougher stuff. If this incident really did affect her as much as she let on, then clearly she’s got some issues that she needs to work on. If it was about her husband, then they’ve both got some issues that they need to work on. If it was about money or revenge, like Rupert suggested, then I have no respect for Sue whatsoever. What Richard did to her was wrong, no question about that, but I feel that Sue really blew this out of proportion. (It reminded me a little of the way she acted when she found out Kelly had betrayed her in the original Survivor.) Even Jeff Probst seemed extremely freaked out when Sue was yelling in his face. In a game like Survivor, it’s important to keep your head and your emotions in check. People are going to mess with you, that’s what this game is all about. Anyway, enough of that.



Ok, so we found out why Kathy decided to get rid of Richard instead of Colby. It was all about Lex. And it’s true, Lex is a huge contender, especially when he feels betrayed as Kelly found out in Africa, even though she wasn’t the one who had betrayed him. (If memory serves correctly, it was Teresa. I have to admit that Survivor Africa was my least favorite Survivor ever.) The point is Kathy made a smart play in ousting Rich and keeping Lex on her side. And after Jerri approached Lex about a secret alliance, it appears that Lex is all about getting rid of who he sees as his greatest threats, namely, Colby and Ethan. I strongly smell Kathy behind all of this, and it’s a great way to get rid of the guys. Besides, Jerri really did not seem sincere at all when she told Lex that he’s the one she’d like to face in the end, but I had to laugh, because she completely fooled him, and I loved the smirk on her face afterwards. Of course I could be wrong and Jerri is just stabbing Kathy and Shii Ann in the back, but I don’t think so. I can’t wait to see how all of this plays out. And I’m right there with you, maudmac, I would love to see Kathy take this all the way. She is definitely my favorite player of all time, and I love her personality and the way she talks. She’s just so enjoyable to watch. I really like Rupert a lot too, but it’s clear that he doesn’t really know how to play this game.



I’m really worried about Shii Ann, though, because she sees through Kathy. Of course it should be clear to the others as well that Kathy is a force to be reckoned with. It’s obvious that Shii Ann admires Kathy, and I’m hoping she’s thinking that sticking with Kathy will get her really far in the game, but I’m going to keep my eye on her. I like Shii Ann a lot, but I feel she could become a threat to Kathy. But anyway, I didn’t like the way Colby talked to Shii Ann at all. Even if he honestly believes that she is trying to fly under the radar and that she is not a playing a respectable game, why tell her about it? What was he hoping to accomplish? He’s basically just cluing her in to the fact that she is his next target which gives her plenty of warning and opportunity to plan her counter-attack. Not smart, Colby! I think Colby is now suffering under the same illusion that Rich was, which is that he’s feeling too overly-confident in his place in the tribe.



Boston Rob’s playing the “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer,” card right now. I think that’s a really smart move for him at the moment, but I’m worried about Alicia. Since Sue withdrew herself from the game, it seems that Alicia’s next on the chopping block. It would be great fun to see her and Tom forced to become allies in an effort to save themselves. Sadly, I don’t think Alicia’s going to have any warning, and she’s going to be hoodwinked by the others. We’ll have to wait to see what happens. Personally, I don’t think this alliance of Rob, Amber, Jenna, and Rupert will hold together very well, but you never know in this game. Amber and Jenna do seem to be getting along pretty well. Frankly, I just don’t know what’s going to happen in this situation, and I love it. Again, it should prove very interesting to see how this strategy plays out.



I have no comments on Big Tom’s claim that Rupert is just like him or on his happy “Ding Dong, the Witch is Gone,” dance after Sue left. My lips are zipped.



Anyway, I agree about Ethan, he’s just a pretty boy, and as far as I can see doesn’t have much of a personality. He just seems so bland, but I wouldn’t underestimate him. He’s a fighter.

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"Sandra played brilliantly. I loved her from the beginning and I was soooo happy she won. (I was somewhat spoiled, having read early on about that offshore betting stuff, which I think wasn't necessarily considered reliable spoilage at the time. But the further Sandra went, the more confident I was that she would go all the way.)"

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What’s this all about? “Offshore betting stuff?” I feel so out of the loop.



Well, that’s all for this week, kiddies, be sure to tune in next week when we have the second big twist of the game. Surely, they’re not going to merge at 12?!? Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

[maudmac]

Yeah, I got the vibe that Sue might have some other issues that the incident with Richard triggered. I was surprised by her ferocity at the challenge the next day, so there's obviously something deep going on with her. What that is, who knows. Survivor is about taking whatever shit comes your way, dealing with it, and ultimately surviving. To my thinking, Sue's still a step above Osten, though, because he was just weak, lame, and should never have even applied.



About how Lex gets when he feels betrayed, that incident you mentioned, wasn't that when he said he was going to cut someone's head off? Or slit someone's throat? I don't remember what he said (or much about the incident), but I do remember being shocked at his choice of words.



Jerri's probably smart to have her Kathy/Shii Ann thing over here, but reach out to Lex as, maybe, a Plan B kind of strategy. All four of them are smart, smart players and I'm really interested to see how things turn out for them, especially if/when they get to the point where they'll likely have to start betraying each other. Fun!



I get a bit of a self-righteous vibe off Colby sometimes. You're right, he would be wise to hold that in and not go blabbing to people about how little respect he has for their gameplay. It is fun, though, to hear Shii Ann call him Captain America. She's sooo right and that's probably what I don't like about him. I think it's his teeth.



Alicia and Tom in an alliance? Wouldn't that be fun to watch? Both of them clenching their jaws and wiping their hands after they shake on it. I think Tom and Rupert are both just sort of floundering around, treading water. I hope that Alicia will realize that she has a chance if she can get the two of them and Jenna L. to pick off Boston Rob and/or Amber. Well...unless they go ahead and merge next week. Who knows what's going to happen.

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What’s this all about? “Offshore betting stuff?”

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From an E! Online story:

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Supposedly the ultra-secret results of the game remain sealed to all except producer Mark Burnett and a few other high-ranking CBS execs until the live airing of the winner’s name Sunday night.



However, at least one offshore bookie stopped taking Survivor wagers back in September after he reportedly received more than 15 bets on Diaz-Twine from people all living close to one another in Vancouver-—not far north of the sole Survivor's Northwest digs—-leading the bookie to believe the winner’s name had been leaked.



Simon Noble, CEO of Antigua-based company, BetWWTS.com, said it’s extremely rare for the company to get any bets on the outcome of the game before story lines develop. He said he was “stunned” by the flow of votes for Diaz-Twine, and quickly shut the betting pool down.



CBS denies any impropriety.

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There's another bit about it here.



I wasn't making any effort to get spoiled for Pearl Islands, but this was in the news and there was just no avoiding it. It was suspicious, but not necessarily more suspicious than many other similar things over the time Survivor has been on. And, right now, there's a whopping ton of spoilers out there for this season. I'm avoiding the heck out of them, because, though spoilers can be very comforting, I do think it would diminish the pleasure of watching for a show like this.



A side note: But if anyone in this thread does want to talk about spoilers, please feel free to, just use the spoiler tags mentioned in the first post. That way people can't see it unless they really want to.

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I have no professional training. I already gave my best. I have no regrets at all.

[Krazy Dreamer]

Thanks for the info, maudmac. I’m actually pretty glad that I didn’t know about all that betting/spoiler stuff. I think it would have ruined the show for me. Part of the fun for me is trying to figure out what’s going to happen and how personalities are going to mesh or clash. I definitely saw something in Sandra on that first episode, though, and felt that a lot of the initial success of the Drake tribe was due in large part to the amazing way she was able to negotiate for supplies, along with Rupert’s pirating and amazing ability in the challenges.



I agree that Sue is not a quitter like Osten was, although, in my opinion, her motives are still in question. That’s all I’m going to say for now until I learn more about the situation.



Now that you mention it, I do remember Lex saying something about blood and guts, but I just can’t seem to remember what that was. I just remember that he falsely accused Kelly of voting against him and that cost her the game. The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that it was really Teresa who voted against him. My photographic memory seems to recall a half-smug, half-guilty look on Teresa’s face and that she was able to keep it secret until the end which impressed me. And I also remember that I did not like Kim J. or Big Tom. Oh, and that the hottest player, Jessica was voted out first because she got dehydrated. Oh, no, now all these memories are flooding back into my head about Survivor Africa. I could probably write a book about Brandon and Frank, so I’ll stop now.



If it is the way you think, and Jerri recruited Lex on her own, apart from Kathy or Shii Ann, it very well could backfire on her. It’ll be interesting to find out which way it is. I think it might almost be more fun your way.

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“It is fun, though, to hear Shii Ann call him Captain America. She's sooo right and that's probably what I don't like about him. I think it's his teeth.”

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I don’t know. I have found myself staring at Colby’s teeth from time to time, almost hypnotized by the unnatural whiteness of them all. But even though I’m not too impressed with some of the things Colby has done recently, I think I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt, for now, and see if he can turn himself around pretty soon.

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“I hope that Alicia will realize that she has a chance if she can get the two of them and Jenna L. to pick off Boston Rob and/or Amber. Well...unless they go ahead and merge next week. Who knows what's going to happen.”

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That is a really great point you bring up, and one I had not thought of. I only hope that Alicia realizes in time that Boston Rob and Amber are not her friends. That is why I think that she thinks she’s safe and that they are going to completely dupe her in the end, but I hope I’m wrong.

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

[maudmac]

Well, well, well. The plot thickens. Fascinating!



Interesting to see Lex's maneuver there. Lex is definitely one to watch.



I was sooo tense while Jeff was tallying the votes, thinking that Jerri might've pissed Shii Ann off enough right there at TC for Shii Ann to vote for her. But Shii Ann kept her head on straight. Yay! I hadn't really realized how much they despise Jerri. And this is the first I've heard of them complaining that Jerri's lazy. But she and Shii Ann definitely were being snippy with each other. Interesting. I blame the editing.



Seeing how Shii Ann and Jerri were with each other does make me think that Jerri probably did approach Lex all on her own. And it might pretty much destroy the prospect of a Kathy/Shii Ann/Jerri/Lex alliance. Damn, I wish we could see how Kathy feels about Jerri. Because, if Kathy's okay with Jerri and Lex is being sincere in his alliance with her, that could put Shii Ann out in the cold somewhere down the road.



And, oooh, sneaky, sneaky Kathy! This is going to be gooood. Chapera made a wise choice in choosing Kathy to come over for the day. It could backfire, but Kathy seemed so enthusiastic about Chapera, it probably won't. I really am getting the feeling that Kathy's going to be in a position of tremendous power in the coming eps.



What's this "when and if it becomes an individual game" stuff Jeff was saying after TC? When and if... I smell a twist!

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I have no professional training. I already gave my best. I have no regrets at all.

[Tiggrscorpio]

Buh-Bye Colby!



You can't be as vocal as Colby was and expect to stick around for very long. I, too, wasn't sure which way Shii Ann was leaning during Tribal Council. It seemed very much like she was going after Jerri, until Colby couldn't hold his tongue.



I think it was a skillful move on Lex's part. It will be interesting to see what happens when Kathy rejoins the tribe. It looks like their setting up for the merge, having one person visit the other's tribe next week. Of course, with Jeff, you can't be sure of anything. I think they have to merge at some point, but I forget what season it was when they joined together but were still separate tribes. Should be interesting to see what's next.

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"The history of our nation has demonstrated that separate is seldom, if ever, equal." The Massachusetts Supreme Court upholding its ruling in favor of gay marriage

[Rally]

Luckily Shii-Ann did not buckle to the Jerri hatred, much like Colby had to put up with her extra long in Australia. Very glad Colby is gone, he was packing a few too many Schick Quatros in the wrong place. I thought he was a jerk in Australia, but even more so this time around.

Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.