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X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:51 am

Please excuse me if there's already an X men thread here - I did a search but couldn't find one. Feel free to direct me to the right place. :-D If not, here's a nice shiny new thread for fellow X men fans (or extremely over-excited fangirls, as the case may be!)

Just to be clear, I'm talking about the movies, but also I don't think a bit of off-topic chat about the comics would do any harm, unless it's against the forum rules.

X2 is my favourite movie EVER... so far! Hopefully, X3 will become my favourite movie ever, when it finally comes out! I seriously wish it was May 26th NOW, even if that meant missing my birthday (which is in April)!

Official site http://www.x3movie.com/
Trailer http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/x3/
Trailer again, for those of you who haven't got quicktime http://www.theanimecom.net/x3/watch_teaser.php
Or you can download it http://www.theanimecom.net/x3/downloads.php
And here's some screencaps from the trailer, for those of you who can't get any of the above to work http://justjared.blogspot.com/2005/12/x3-trailer.html

This is me, having watched the trailer 50 times: :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce etc...

I have many other pointless fangirl squee-ish observations, which I shall save for later
a) in case there is already an X men thread here
and b) so y'all don't think I'm *totally* crazy straight away :glasses

I must say one other thing now, though...
FAMKE JANSSEN IN HOTPANTS!!! :drool :thud :bow :x :bounce :sheep :drool
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Darth Pacula » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:04 am

G'day, Sasha. Well, I don't think I qualify as an overly exited fangirl, but will an overly excited fanboy do? The X-Men kick ass in any incarnation, be it the stellar movies, the comics, or even the cartoons. (Yes, I know I'm a big :geek , but I don't care)

I gotta admit I got a chill down my spine the first time I watched this teaser trailer for X3, which can only mean good things. That only happens when something really whets my interest. I don't think I've watched it fifty times yet though, so you've got a lead on me there.

I can't really say which one was my favorite of the series so far; I'm kind of wishy washy when it comes to the subject of movies. I normally hate to try and quantify my enjoyment. Might be one reason why I'll watch just about any ol' thing.

I do have to think you for the links by the way. I'd only been able to find the trailer in streaming format before now, which cheeses my grits. ( :wtf did I say that for? :-D ) But thanks to you, I've got it downloaded onto my hard drive now. So I doff my hat to you, my fair english rose.

I've heard they won't have Nightcrawler this time, either because they couldn't fit the character in, or because Alan Cummings didn't want to do it again, which sucks. But at least we've got Kelsy Grammer as Beast to keep up the ratio of characters that are blue.

I'd better stop here for the moment, or I'll waffle your ear off.

PS. I second your :drool over Famke Janssen.

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:01 am

G'day to you too, Paul... an over-excited fanboy will certainly be acceptable! :wave

Please feel free to waffle my ear off, I could talk about X men constanty. :-D My various different fandom obsessions are all competing with eachother, and at the moment X men is winning! (still love W/T though, of course :x )

I too am disappointed that Nightcrawler wont be returning (although there are still rumours of a cameo for him, so fingers crossed!) I'm not really sure about Beast yet, I'm not so familiar with the character, but at least we still get Mystique for the blue-mutant-love. :-D

I'm SO excited to see Shadowcat will have a bigger role in this movie though, she's my second favourite character (after Phoenix. Yes, I have to organise EVERYTHING into lists according to preference :blush ) And it looks like there's a Bobby/Rogue/Kitty love triangle, which is much more exciting than Jean/Scott/Logan... I'm sorry, I really don't like Jean/Logan, it's Jean/Scott all the way for me. :x

Which brings me to another point... Cyclops... Oh Scotty, you get more and more gorgeous every time I see you. :drool

And Dark Phoenix... :drool :drool :drool

I have to admit, I've never actually read the comics, although I am reading up on the internet and now have a reasonable knowledge of the basic characters and plotlines. I am, however, determined to read the Phoenix Saga before the movie comes out, so as not to be a total hypocrite (I have a big problem with people who see the Harry Potter films without reading the books first... but that's another discussion!)

Oooh look, much waffling. :bounce :bounce :bounce Thankfully I've got to leave now, I have a maths lesson, I expect I shall be back sometime in the near future, although I shall try to calm down somewhat!
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby PrincessPeeper » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:28 pm

Soo looking forward to X3. My friend met Hugh Jackman while she was working, apparently hes hotter in real life. wow

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby k-prime » Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:05 am

I absolutely love the first two, but I'm extremely nervous about the third one. I really didn't like Rush Hour, so I'm a little wary about Brett Ratner directing. The trailer looks good, but I'm trying to not get my hopes.
...Don't get me wrong, I'll still watch it opening day, just with some trepadition. :)
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Darth Pacula » Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:46 am

G'day all.

Sasha - Oh dear, do be careful when you invite me to waffle. You don't know what you're asking for. :-D But I can relate to the whole fandom obsession thing. Don't get me started.

On the subject of Beast, he actually already had a cameo in X2. He was on the TV in the bar where Mystique seduced that guard, although they used his real name, Hank McCoy, and he wasn't yet blue and furry, and portrayed by a different actor.

It will be good to see more of Shadowcat. (It'd be hard to see less of her, and this is the third actress to play the character) I'm pretty flexible on the issue of love triangles, though I do prefer Jean with Scott rather than Logan. I mean, how's he supposed to be all surly and mean with her in his life? :-D

Re the comics, well I don't know how much will be similar in the movie with the whole Dark Phoenix storyline, since I doubt they're doing the whole big alien shtick that they did in the comics. The movies seem to try and play things a bit more serious and lifelike, as much as can be said for a superhero movie anyway :-D . Besides, you'd only be a hypocrite if you were comparing the differences between the two, and why bother. They're different mediums, so you can't expect them to be the same.

I hope you had luck with the maths lesson! Oh, and excited is good! :bounce

PrincessPeeper - You know someone who met Hugh Jackman? Lucky you! He's certainly made the role of Wolvie his own, and hey, he's an Aussie, so he's got my vote.

k-prime - I'm never that sure how much difference a director makes to a movie, but then again, Joel Schumacher did stuff up the Batman franchise for a while. (florescent colors everywhere and prominent plastic nipples? :wtf )

I didn't mind the Rush Hour movies, and I liked Red Dragon, so hopefully the swap between Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner won't make too much of a difference. Either way, I'll go in with an open mind. (It probably helps that I have very flexible standards :-D )

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:57 am

Here comes more waffling... :-D

I have to say, the worry over Brett Ratner completely baffles me... there's goodness knows how many other writers, and all the same actors, and stunt coordinators and special effects crew and so on and so forth... of course the director is important, but it's not only his movie. I don't think we have anything to worry about. :-D

I remember Beast's cameo, although now I'll have to go watch it again so I can analyse everything. ;-)

I wish they wouldn't keep changing actresses for Kitty, although I suppose it doesn't matter too much as she wasn't really in the first two movies for more than a few minutes. Hopefully Ellen Page (I think that's her name? I'm just thinking off the top of my head here) will be good. Besides, they did the same thing with Pyro - cameo in the first film, then larger role with a different actor - which worked fine.

I wanted to whole of X3 to be the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix storyline, but I guess they wanted the mutant cure and a a few other things in there too, which is fine, I'm just hoping Phoenix is the focus. And I want more screentime for Cyclops... and less Wolvie. Don't get me wrong, Wolverine is great, but his story's over... less Wolvie angst and more Jean/Scott angst please! :bounce

Oooh look at me, 'want want want'. :-D While I'm asking for stuff I want, how about Famke Janssen in hotpants? :drool

I was rewatching all the special features on my DVDs last night, and Famke just gets hotter every single time I see her! And with the red hair... :drool And Anna Paquin is growing on me, I love it when she does that pouty thing. :x

I too see the movies and the comics as totally seperate mediums, which don't compare (unlike Harry Potter books and movies, which should be comparable but aren't... *cough cough* sorry, back on topic...), and if I really had to choose it'd be the movies, but I also love discovering the origins and backstory of it all, so methinks I'll have to watch the cartoon of the Phoenix Saga, if nothing else, just for the sake of it! Actually I found some X men Evolution DVDs on amazon yesterday, which are calling to me... *finger twitches*

See? Don't worry about waffling, I could waffle for England. :fallen (<-- love that emoticon LOL)

Oh BTW, I have to say I'm rather pleased by being called a 'fair english rose' :flower And you are very welcome for the links, I forgot to say that earlier, what with all the fangirl squealing!

I'll shut up... for now... :bounce
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby PrincessPeeper » Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:58 am

Sasha - This is way off topic but i share the same loving of Famke as you do so i thought id let u know of a movie shes in that i really enjoyed, it didnt get alot of promotion, well where i live anyways, but its called Eulogy, i dont know if you've seen it or not but its really cute and i found it funny, it has alot of ppl in it like ray romano, hank azaria, kelly preston, zooey deschanel, jesse bradford, and rip torn. i enjoyed it, it also helps that Famke is a lesbian with kelly preston. :-D
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Alcy » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:15 am

I watched the trailer for this quite recently and I have to say that I am impressed so far...but the departure from Bryan Singer's marvellous directing has me a little worried. Granted, yes, the actors are there and they are brilliant but the Director has the ability, more than anyone else, to stamp their mark on the flick. C'mon, most of the superhero movies made over the past decade have sucked...with the exception of X-men, and sequels pretty much suck regardless, but X-2 was even better than the first one - I call that fuckin' genius.
And one of the guys who wrote the script was responsible for Fantastic Four *sigh*

I'm all for the script focusing heavily on Famke but with Hugh and Halle being the so called 'big names' I would think they'd be wanting to hog as much screen time as possible. It would be good if their egos could take on smaller roles for once

Still...roll on X-3...and errr, Kelsey Grammer as Beast...interesting...:wtf

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:31 pm

PrincessPeeper - thanks for reminding me, I've heard of Eulogy many times before but never seen it, so it's definitely going on my 'I have watch this film before... well, sometime soon, anyway' list (along with DEBS). :-D Plus, Hank Azaria... I mean I LOVE that guy, any film with him AND Famke is just... well, it would be a crime if I didn't watch it!

Alcy - Bryan Singer is indeed a genius, and I really don't understand why he couldn't/wouldn't do X3 (I mean, choosing Superman Returns over X3? That makes NO sense), but having never seen any Brett Ratner films I guess I don't have anything to compare so far. In this instance I'm choosing to be naive and hopeful, rather than my usual pessemistic self. :-D

Don't get me started on Halle Berry. Seriously, you'd regret it. And so would I, because I'd probably offend someone. Hugh Jackman I don't mind, he's great, even though Wolverine isn't my favourite character, so I wont be too bothered if he's still the 'leading character', but Storm... well, lets just say I am *not* pleased by the rumors that she is getting a lot more screentime in this movie...
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Alcy » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:51 pm

Hey, by all means feel free to discuss Halle Berry - I'm not one for keeping my opinions to myself!

I've never liked her as an actress and am annoyed by the fact that she is in X-men due to her potential to hold what is a great film franchise to ransom with her demands. It would be great if she could accept that she is just one member of a fantastically talented ensemble cast...Ian McKellen & Patrick Stewart have been around for donkey's years and they are the cast members that carry the kudos of the film...not Halle.
I don't really like being negative but Storm is one of my least favourite x-men as well, so the less of her the better.

I don't mind Hugh at all, but I agree with previous posts, the Wolverine story has been done, time to move on to new territory...ie: Dark Phoenix! I love getting excited about movies, that's what keeps the magic alive!

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby billy » Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:02 am

My thoughts/ponderings/nonsense:

1. Kelsey Grammar as the Beast - The Beast is super intelligent so that might be a good move. They could easily give him a Beast body with prosthetics and CGI, although when I saw Abe Sapien with David Hyde Pierce's voice in Hellboy I couldn't help thinking 'it's Niles Crane'. So could go either way.

2. Halle Berry/Storm - I'm not very keen on Halle Berry either but loved Storm in the movies and comics so not a problem for me. Actually something I didn't like in X2 was giving Storm and Collossus American accents. I didn't see the point.

3. Kitty Pryde - I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with her. I had to take a break away from the comics quite a few years ago when I lost my job and when I started buying the trade paperbacks recently they seem to have turned this geeky teenage Kitty into a copy of Sydney from Alias. :eyebrow
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Darth Pacula » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:01 pm

G'day all.

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Sasha - I think you're spot on about directors. I'll allow that the influence they have on the movies they make is important, but the cast, crew and script are equally so. Even the best director in the world will still make a crappy movie if nothing else works. Hell, Steven Spielberg made AI, and that really kinda bored the hell out of me.

RE Kitty, well if they make any more movies in the franchise after this, hopefully they'll keep the same actress from now on. It kinda ticks me off when the change actors (for a few minutes, anyway, then I just give in and go with the flow usually :-D ). But to be honest, I never really noticed that Pyro was a different actor between 1 and 2.

The thing about the whole Dark Phoenix saga thing is that I don't think it'll bear much resemblance to what appeared in the comics, since I doubt they're bringing the whole alien angle into it. I'll agree that Cyke needs more screen time, he was criminally underused in X2 for the most part. But I suppose that's one problem with an ensemble picture like this, when they keep adding characters, there just isn't enough time in a single movie to do all of them justice. It's the same problem with Harry Potter . There's just too much info to fit into your normal 90 min/2 hour movie.

Oh, and a clarification: did you just want to see more of Famke in hotpants? Or did you want Famke in hotpants to suddenly materialize in your house to act as a willing servant? :-D

I don't know if X-Men Evolution actually had any of the Phoenix stuff in it, to tell the truth. I never saw much of that particular cartoon incarnation of the X-Men, but from what I did see, there wasn't too much similarity to the comic cannon.

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PS. You are very welcome for my earlier 'fair English rose' remark. Even we crass colonial thugs get the urge to wax poetic occasionally. Just don't ask me to write poetry; I reckon I'd give William the Bloody Awful Poet a run for his money.

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PrincessPeeper - Haven't seen Eulogy yet (stress the yet) but it sounds like I'll have to try and find it. Hell, with a 1000 plus DVD collection, I'll probably just buy it. I have no life.

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Alcy - I wouldn't say that most of the superhero flicks of the past decade sucked, but then again, my standards aren't that high, so what the hell do I know? Sometimes it's nice to be easily pleased. :-D

I wouldn't say that Hugh Jackman is one of those big ego type actors (but he is a fellow Aussie, so I might be biased :-D ), I think it's more that Wolverine is one of the most popular characters (he is my favorite) and Hugh does a good job with him.

Halle on the other hand? Well, I heard she wouldn't even consider playing the part again unless they bulked up her role in the story. Sheesh. Win an Oscar, and it goes straight to your head, huh? I don't mind her as an actor personally, and I like Storm (hell, I like just about everyone, how pathetic is that? :-D ), but she does seem to be falling into that whole Hollywood trap of buying into the crap her own sycophants tell her.

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billy - Kelsey Grammar works for me as Beast. He can pull off the intellectual bit, and I think his voice will be good. Physically .... well, they can work wonders these days, right. Look at Nightcrawler; I wasn't sure about Alan Cumming, but the opening of X2? Holy crap on a crutch, that kicked arse!

Don't get me started on the changing accents. Colossus is Russian, for crying out loud! I could make a snide comment about Americans wanting to Americanize everything ... but that wouldn't be nice, so I'll restrain myself. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those rabid fans who bitches about every tiny variation from cannon. C'mon, I like Jackman as Wolvie and he's what, 6"2' tall? How the hell is that short? :-D

As for Kitty, she's pretty much a blank slate from the movies, so who knows how she's gonna turn out. I'm in the same boat as you re. the comics. About the only ones I get now, are the trade anthologies of the Ultimate line. Oh, and is Kitty as a copy of Syd from Alias a good thing, or a bad thing? :-D

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Now, a couple of new points (before I give myself RSI or something): what does everyone think of Angel? That's the Angel with less fangs and brooding, and more actual wings.

Oh, and has anyone else heard that Psylocke is supposed to be in this? As one of the Brotherhood? What the ....

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:25 am

Oooh looky here, lots to talk about :bounce

I've never liked her as an actress and am annoyed by the fact that she is in X-men due to her potential to hold what is a great film franchise to ransom with her demands. It would be great if she could accept that she is just one member of a fantastically talented ensemble cast...Ian McKellen & Patrick Stewart have been around for donkey's years and they are the cast members that carry the kudos of the film...not Halle.
I don't really like being negative but Storm is one of my least favourite x-men as well, so the less of her the better.

I don't mind Hugh at all, but I agree with previous posts, the Wolverine story has been done, time to move on to new territory...ie: Dark Phoenix!

Couldn't have said it better myself! :clap

3. Kitty Pryde - I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with her. I had to take a break away from the comics quite a few years ago when I lost my job and when I started buying the trade paperbacks recently they seem to have turned this geeky teenage Kitty into a copy of Sydney from Alias.

As I said, I haven't read the comics, but from what I've gathered by manic information-hunting all over the 'net, I reckon I'm gonna like her. :-D Besides, she has a pet dragon, how could anyone not want a pet dragon? (yeah, I know Lockheed wont be in the film cos they wanna keep it realistic, which is fine by me, I just love Lockheed!)

The thing about the whole Dark Phoenix saga thing is that I don't think it'll bear much resemblance to what appeared in the comics, since I doubt they're bringing the whole alien angle into it.

Oooh I know, and TBH I think I'll prefer the film version since (apparently) the comics have so many plotholes and paradoxes, and considering how much I over-analyze stuff, I think my head would explode. :devil Still, I do kinda want to know what the original (ie comics or perhaps cartoon) Dark Phoenix Saga was, just because it's such a classic.

Oh, and a clarification: did you just want to see more of Famke in hotpants? Or did you want Famke in hotpants to suddenly materialize in your house to act as a willing servant? :-D

The latter, of course! But the former would also be appreciated, I'm really not gonna turn down the oppurtunity for more drooling. :flirt Why on earth was she wearing hotpants when she's in a coma (or whatever) anyway? If she's just been rescued from a Alkali Lake, surely they wouldn't bother dressing her up so sexily, a hospital gown would suffice. Maybe Cyke and/or Wolvie had other ideas. :flirt Or I suppose it could be later in the film, after she's been Phoenix, but since (sadly) her Phoenix costume doesn't allow her to show off those wonderful legs, that doesn't make much sense either. So here we have another potential plothole. Not that I'm complaining about this one. :-D (Anyone want to venture a guess as to what my favourite part of the tailer was? ;-) )

I don't know if X-Men Evolution actually had any of the Phoenix stuff in it, to tell the truth. I never saw much of that particular cartoon incarnation of the X-Men, but from what I did see, there wasn't too much similarity to the comic cannon.

No, it didn't, it's a prequel, but it has lots of Jean and Kitty and Rogue and Scott, hence the temptation. Actually I found all four series on DVD on eBay for £17 (which is about... what... $30?), so I bought myself that, waiting for it to arrive now. :bounce :bounce :bounce That should keep me going until the film. I'm gonna buy the original animated series (which does have the Phoenix Saga) later, when I have some money. See, this is the problem with being a jobless stay-at-home teenager with 20 animals to feed. No spare money for indulgences. Thank goodness for leftover Christmas money. :-D

Halle on the other hand? Well, I heard she wouldn't even consider playing the part again unless they bulked up her role in the story. Sheesh. Win an Oscar, and it goes straight to your head, huh? I don't mind her as an actor personally, and I like Storm (hell, I like just about everyone, how pathetic is that? :-D ), but she does seem to be falling into that whole Hollywood trap of buying into the crap her own sycophants tell her.

Can I just say 'ditto' to that? :-D (except I don't like Halle or Storm)

Now, a couple of new points (before I give myself RSI or something): what does everyone think of Angel? That's the Angel with less fangs and brooding, and more actual wings.

This is the exact problem I have with Angel - I'm gonna be sitting through the whole film going 'where is the dark broody avenger with a bumpy forehead?' Actually, I think he looks great in the trailer but in the promo pic of him - just his head - he looks like Draco Malfoy, which is really, really, really disturbing.

Oh, and has anyone else heard that Psylocke is supposed to be in this? As one of the Brotherhood? What the ....

Psylocke is the one with purple hair, right? Why are they putting her in the Brotherhood? :confused

And a few other points of interest...

From http://www.xmenfilms.net/ (which is the most reliable source for X men film news)...
Sources say that Jean will not refer to herself as Phoenix. Strong rumors are it's a name Magneto gives her when she joins the Brotherhood team. Still... don't expect Jean to stay with the Brotherhood for long. She stands alone at points in the film.

Jean will switch from Phoenix (Good) to Dark Phoenix (Bad) throughout. She starts out good, but quickly falls into madness. The costume is something new, but comic fans should note where the designers got their inspiration from!

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(01.08.06) Just a question that I've been itching to ask for months and months but never got round to it! Storms role, will it involve her using her powers more openly?
I mean like hurling bolts of lightining outta her hands or flying into the air to make a tornadoe appear like she does in the comics? I feel she lost out in the 1st and 2nd movies which is why i cannot wait for the 3rd installment!! Will her dialogue be bigger too?? - 1st&2ndBorn

XMF's Reply: Avi Arad says that Storm will be using her powers to their extreme limits, so watch out for some chaos! Her role in the film is very important, and she will have many moments where she inspires others, by her words.
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Yes, Storm will be closer to the comics this time out. Halle Berry wasn't going to return if the character wasn't!
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(11.26.05) Storm has been really under estimated in the last two films which has upset numerous fans.In the third installment is she going really let loose and let the fans know what she is capable of? Is there going to be a showdown between Storm and Jean? - Tavarius W.

XMF Reply: Forget the Storm you knew. Halle's Storm in X3 is going through her own evolution in both powers, looks, and attitude!

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Darth Pacula » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:19 am

G'day, Sasha. Prepare for incoming waffle!

Besides, she has a pet dragon, how could anyone not want a pet dragon? (yeah, I know Lockheed wont be in the film cos they wanna keep it realistic, which is fine by me, I just love Lockheed!)


Hey, what part of having a pet dragon isn't realistic, huh? :-D

On the point of plot holes and continuity errors rife within the original comics, well, they do have 40 odd years worth of back story and history to deal with. Considering some of the weird crap I've read in the comics, it's probably good that the movies avoid getting sucked into all of that too much.

That's one of the things I like about the Ultimate X-men line. They basically just started again from scratch, without all of the baggage the original characters had. It allowed them to make some interesting changes, and there's a fair amount of influence from the movies in there too.

What is interesting to me are the similarities between the whole Dark Phoenix business and Dark Willow, inasmuch as they are both women who are overwhelmed by their own power. On second thought, maybe there aren't that many similarities. Still, it's interesting.

On the 'Hot pants Issue' that understandably seems to have captured your attention, my guess is that it's just underwear. I'm gonna take a guess and say that they're going to find her naked (her costume having probably been burnt off in her last phoenix manifestation. That could be a product of my own wishful thinking though.

X-Men Evolution isn't really a prequel to any of the other versions floating around, it was just another rewrite of the entire universe to make it a bit easier for new viewers to get into it. It doesn't actually have anything to do with the other versions.

The X-Men Angel isn't really my favorite character. I mean, come on, the guy flies, and that's about it. Still, I'll be interested to see if they can make him a bit more interesting, or whether he's going to have much of a part to play. Oh, and Draco? That really is disturbing. :-D I personally just imagine him morphing into David Boreanaz mid flight, and either bursting into flames, or plummeting like a rock. My mind works in mysterious ways.

Psylocke is the purple haired girl; I haven't noticed her in the trailer, but she could be there somewhere. She might be in the Brotherhood as a double agent for Xavier, I suppose. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

We do get a glimpse of what I imagine is Jean's new costume; she's there in the woods with Magneto when he's giving his 'speech to the troops', off on the far right. None of the costumes are really much like the comics, which is a good thing I reckon. Skintight spandex isn't really practical, unless you're making a porno version. :-D

As for the news about Storm's role? Well, I'll reserve comment until I see the finished product.

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:11 pm

Well, my Evolution DVDs came, and I've watched almost all the episodes already (i.e. in less than three days :blush ). 'Tis excellent :bounce And yeah, as you say, not quite a prequel, more alternate universe (but more comicverse than movieverse. I think). Kitty is wonderful. And Kurt. And Jean, and Scott... well, just about all of them actually! I cannot wait for movieKitty. :-D

Funnily enough as soon as I read about the Dark Willow plot (I am a spoiler whore! :lol ), I thought 'this is so Dark Phoenix' - and bearing in mind my knowledge of the Phoenix Saga is aquired mainly just by listening to the behind-the-scenes mention of it, I was quite proud of myself for making that connection. And that was before I heard Andrew say it! ;-)

Naked Jean? Wow, I hadn't even got past the hotpants yet... this opens up a whole new realm of possibilities... :drool How am I supposed to concentrate on anything else now?

Angel confuses me - why do they need a guy whose only power is to fly, when Magneto, Storm, Jean, and probably a whole bunch of others, can fly anyway?

Although, did you see the x-rays of his wings, pinned up next to the x-rays of Wolvie's claws etc, in the scenes where Wolverine is in Stryker's base? (I'm sure they're on the DVD anyway, even if you can't see 'em in the movie... I lose track of which scenes are actually deleted, I know the DVDs inside out. :-D ) Maybe that means they're gonna do a similar origin type story for Angel, though not too similar I hope.

The complaints that Storm hasn't fully used her powers completely baffles me - come on, she created dozens of tornadoes, she's used lightning numerous times, she saved Xavier's life by freezing DarkCerebro, and she's one of the only characters that actually got to fly in the films. Really, what else is there that's more impressive than that?

If they do something good with her, fine, I just hope it doesn't take the focus away from more important plotlines. *coughcough*

From http://trekweb.com/articles/2005/12/30/ ... d72d.shtml :
With regard to the script for the third X -MEN movie, he feels that fans of the movie series will not be disappointed. "The script, I believe, is the best script of the three." he said "It's very intense, it's very emotional, it's very personal about the individuals that we've already got to know in the first two movies. It has some astonishing set-piece sequences. It has a number of quite significant deaths. [From] what I've seen so far, I think, it's likely to be extraordinary. Some absolutely outstanding work is happening in Vancouver - including from some of the new people who've come onboard ranging from Kelsey Grammer to Vinnie Jones, who are now part of the X-MEN family, If anyone saw Brett's RED DRAGON, which I thought was an outstanding film, I don't think they have any reason to be nervous."

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby billy » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:58 am

That's one of the things I like about the Ultimate X-men line. They basically just started again from scratch, without all of the baggage the original characters had. It allowed them to make some interesting changes, and there's a fair amount of influence from the movies in there too.


Do they have good writers/artists on Ultimate X-Men? I might give it a try. I've been sticking to the X-Men related trade paperbacks written by Chris Claremont, except for Wolverine. I prefer him as part of the team rather than solo.


What is interesting to me are the similarities between the whole Dark Phoenix business and Dark Willow, inasmuch as they are both women who are overwhelmed by their own power. On second thought, maybe there aren't that many similarities. Still, it's interesting.


Yes, and I thought the way the Dark Phoenix Saga ended made more sense although what happens to Jean before and after is very convoluted (not wanting to give away any spoilers) and will obviously not make this movie but the next one? Ya never know.

Psylocke is the purple haired girl; I haven't noticed her in the trailer, but she could be there somewhere. She might be in the Brotherhood as a double agent for Xavier, I suppose. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


She might leave the Brotherhood at the end of the movie or even join the X-Men. I'm hoping she won't stay one of the bad guys.

Naked Jean? Wow, I hadn't even got past the hotpants yet... this opens up a whole new realm of possibilities... How am I supposed to concentrate on anything else now?


Since you know the DVDs inside out did you notice that the best part of the first movie isn't actually in the movie it's in one of the documentaries. I'll just say 'blue bum'. :blush

Edited to add something I meant to say earlier but completely forgot:

I always saw Willow as the Buffy version of Kitty Pryde and the change to Kitty I mentioned in another post reminded me of pretty computer geek Willow from Season 3 turning into beautiful supermodel Willow at the start of Season 4.
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:12 pm

Hmm... that'd be Mystique, correct? (oh how I love Mystique :-D ) But on the documentries... um... ooooh, I have to admit I am stumped. *rushes off to watch X1.5 again*

I love the bit where they're in the trailer trying on the costumes for the first time, and Famke has her suit flapping open a bit round the neck, James says "I think it looks better zipped up", and she says "yeah, I know, I'm just opening it for my own... ventilation" or something like that...
Did anyone else want to make her stand next to a heater, so she would have to 'ventilate' herself more? :eyebrow

*pause*

*sigh*

I really should think about something else. :blush

I always imagined Willow as Jean... and Buffy as Storm... and Cordelia as Kitty... dunno about Rogue.

But then again, I'm a Rogue/Kitty shipper, so maybe they should be Willow and Tara? :-D It's sooooooooooo obvious - Rogue can never be with a guy, cos of the whole no-skin-contact thing... but a girl... well, what do you think gloves were invented for? :flirt
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby billy » Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:31 am

Yeah it's Mystique. It's on the little 'making of' thing if you choose to watch the movie with the Behind the Scenes option, when Mystique and Senator Kelly are in the helicopter. Couldn't help watching it again. :lol

Speaking of Rogue, I was surprised that they made her so young, although Anna Paquin is a wonderful actress. And I loved Rogue's voice in the cartoon.
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Darth Pacula » Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:15 pm

G'day all.

Sasha -

Naked Jean? Wow, I hadn't even got past the hotpants yet... this opens up a whole new realm of possibilities... How am I supposed to concentrate on anything else now?


Hah! My insideous plot is working! Glad I could be of help.

I can't remember any x-ray scenes like the one you described; I guess it's been too long since I watched the movies. Stupid reality keeps interfering in my life. I would be surprised if there was any similarity between Angel and Wolverine. Angel's bones are supposed to be hollow and lighter than normal from what I can remember. I shudder to think how he'd be able to lift himself off the ground with an adamantium skeleton.

The whole Storm debate is likely to satisfy her rabid fans. No matter who a person's favorite character is from the X-Men, you can probably make an arguement for why the movies should focus on their chosen character.

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I love the bit where they're in the trailer trying on the costumes for the first time, and Famke has her suit flapping open a bit round the neck, James says "I think it looks better zipped up", and she says "yeah, I know, I'm just opening it for my own... ventilation" or something like that...


Ok, I really need to watch some more of the extras on my DVD's. Though, maybe that was one of the things they only put on 1.5, which I didn't bother with. I generally just tend to watch the movies themselves.

Billy - Well, I'm no expert, since I rarely even take note of who the writer or artist on comics are, but I think Ultimate works well most of the time. There's not too much of that overly artistic crap, which I dislike with a passion. I want to be sure exactly what the hell I'm looking at, guys!

Storywise, its good that they don't have to worry about 40 years worth of backstory, though they sometimes throw in little teasers. Some of the characters aren't what you expect, and they have killed off a few characters already, which I don't like. If it was up to me, almost no-one would die, ever.

Regarding Rogue, well making her so young worked for the character, as she's quite different to what we see in the comics. There's no history as a villain, no super strength and so on. It lets Paquin's Rogue develop in different directions.

Okay, original comments .... lets see. Has anyone else noticed these rumors that they're going to kill off a couple of characters this time? I hate it when they do that. There is what appears to be a funeral or memorial scene in the trailer so ... who knows.

What else? How about Juggernaut? Do you reckon they're going to follow his cannon background? I think they might use his relationship to Xavier, but I doubt they'll go with the whole mystic Gem of Cytorak (sp?) thing. It seems a bit out there for the tone of the movies.

Oh well, I guess I'd better go make lunch. The natives are getting restless.

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:39 am

Apparently they're killing off three main characters (I can't remember where I found that statement, though, so it may not be very reliable), and since Xavier, Cyclops, and Jean/Phoenix are not seen in the funeral scene in the trailer, it's probably them.

Although it could be a memorial service for Jean at the beginning of the movie... *ponders*
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Darth Pacula » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:41 pm

G'day, Sasha.

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if they killed off Xavier, or Cyke (who's was criminally underused in the last movie). I don't know about Jean, though they could do that whole noble self-sacrifice for the good of humanity thing. But they did kind of do that with her at the end of X2 already, so who knows?

I doubt they'll kill off Wolverine, since they're still taking of a spin-off movie for him. But other than than, it's probably just guesswork.

I was wondering if that memorial we see in the trailer was for Jean; that was my assumption. The fact that we see Beast there could be telling, depending on how they're going to introduce him. If they already know Hank, and he's just not a common prescence at the Mansion, then it could be at the start of the movie and for Jean. But if they haven't met, it's likely later in the movie and not for Jean. At least, that's my thinking.

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:34 am

Lots of news and new promo pics... some are newer than others, but I'll post 'em all, for those of you who haven't seen them before.

First of all, evidently X3 is now called X men: The Last Stand (just as X2's official title was X men: United). I dunno how long that's been known, but I've only just realised!

High quality promo-headshots:
Charles Xavier, Logan/Wolverine, Storm, Scott Summers/Cyclops, Rogue, Bobby Drake/Iceman, Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat, Collosus, Collosus amoured version, Angel, Beast
Jean Grey/Phoenix, Magneto, Mystique, John/Pyro, Juggernaut, Callisto
Two new promo shots of Beast 1, 2
Three pics of Angel 1, 2, 3
Mystique in action, and a different promo-headshot of Mystique
Wolverine in action
Magneto, Xavier, Storm and Wolvie outside
Wolvie, Xavier, Storm and Beast in the mansion
Stacey X, Callisto and Psylocke
Two Pyro scenes 1, 2
Storm and Kitty
Phoenix and Magneto and very angry Phoenix!
Brett Ratner and the cast
Design of a Sentinel (still uncomfirmed whether they will appear in the film), and this is the Danger Room set scrapped from X2, which *should* be appearing in X3.
More concept/design sketches at the bottom of this page.
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby seurat » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:51 pm

Thanks for those pics, some really good shots in there.

About only comment I can make about this film that might be helpful is that I have seen quite a lot of work by Ellen Page, the Canadian actress playing Shadowcat, and she's been unnervingly good in several tv shows and small movies like Mouth To Mouth, Hard Candy, Wilby Wonderful and ReGenesis. I'm really looking forward to see what she'll do in a big film like this one.
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:28 am

Great! :-D I'm even more desperate to see X3 now... :bounce :bounce :bounce

Methinks I might have to add Ellen Page to my 'list' ;-) :x
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:48 am

Couple more :-D

Kitty/Bobby/Rogue love triangle - Bobby's expression cracks me up :lol
Some guy I haven't seen before. Multiple Man, apparently.

Edited to add...

Oooh looky, I found EVEN MORE. :-D (from here)

Possible (small) spoilers.

Gorgeous close-up of Rogue
Close-ups of Juggernaut 1, 2
Close-up of Beast
Angel 1, 2
Storm
Phoenix
Beast and some old dude
Unhappy Bobby
Collosus and a student
Collosus and Rogue in an action scene 1, 2
And, apparently, this is Sunfire
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:46 am

New trailer :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce :bounce http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/tls/trailer/
At the moment you need quicktime to view it, although some of the fansites are converting it to other formats so you'll be able to view it on windows media player fairly soon.

[spoiler]- Jean said 'kill me'. Jean said KILL ME! :bounce :bounce :bounce At least they're getting something from the Phoenix Saga right, even if she's with Wolvie at the time.
- Phoenix's ressurection (I'm guessing that's what the mysterious big splash of water was) looks FAB. :D
- Unfortunately it's looking more and more likely that Scott dies really early in the film - Phoenix kills him after she rises from the lake, by the look of it. I want Scott to die, but not that soon, they need him for the rest of the Phoenix Saga. :sob I guess they could be pulling an X2 on us (for those who don't know, prior to the release of X2 they showed pictures of Jean in the White House at the end of the film, so no-one suspected her death) and not making us believe he dies early, when in fact he's in the rest of the film. Long shot, but I hope so. :D
- More Bobby/Kitty lovin'! I love Bobby/Rogue, but I love Kitty too, and Rogue's off having her will-I-wont-I cure storyline, so I'm all for Bobby getting some snogging. :D
- Hardcore Kitty action! Wooooooooooooooooot!
- That shot of Phoenix with the backlighting behind her, about 3/4 of the way through the trailer - GORGEOUS! :x I so need a wallpaper of that. And avatars. :D
- A mutant more powerful than Magneto? :hmm The only one I can think of is Apocolypse... Apoc can't be in the film... can he? :bounce Still, the bald dude is intriguing. I'm actually looking forward to The Cure storyline now, as well as the Phoenix Saga.
- Anyone know who the spikey dude is? Spyke? :hmm
- 'You of all people know how fact the weather can change'. That's a gorgeous line.
- Too much Storm for my taste, but that's just cos I don't like her. ;-)
- Beast only got one line in the whole trailer? Ah well. Plenty of Mystique.
- Did anyone else notice they changed Magneto's line from They wish to cure us... but I say we are cured to They wish to cure us... but I say we are the cure ?[/spoiler]
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Candleshoe » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:08 am

Completely off topic, but I love that the emoticons aren't hidden by the spoiler tags. They are just bouncing in mid air in a sea of grey....
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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby angel of salvation » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:04 am

*is very excited aout X3 she mut stop herself from bouncing around while she types*

ooo i can't wait, i loooove X-men.

i can't wait to see what new characters they bring in for the next film, hey gave so many tatilising hints in X2
i was getting all excited in the film seeing Gambit's name come up on the comp screen, beast on TV and Collosus and Kitty making an appearance *happy sigh*
*looks at the pics that Sasha posted*

:thud ANGEL! yay! *ahem* i love angel's in general so i'll be drooling over Angel in X3 becuase of that. the effects on things like the wings look very nice.
i'm not so sure about Storm's new do' but ok
beast looks promising :) looks funny in a suit though teehee
when listening to Overseer- Supermoves, the still picture of Mystiquelooks like its moving to me :lol

Sasha: I think i've met this 'multiple man' before. In the cartoon series X-Men Evolution on Toonami, there is a little boy on there that could turn into about 10 copies of himself when he bumped into things/people. It seems like he will be making a live-action appearence as well which wouldbe interesting.
Spyke has also been in this cartoon version I mentioned as a skating teen who is related to Storm (nephew). In the comics Spyke was called Marrow and was a woman who was disfigured by the ability she had of bone growth. In the cartoon Spyke has complete control over his powers until the second series where it makes him look like a 'freak' and he goes underground with other mutants who don't look 'normal', so it wort of goes with the comic storyline. Good to hear that Spyke is in the new movie. Another character to tick off my list of one's I wanted to hear mantioned or see in the new film *tick*.

it all looks VERY promising, can't wait

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Re: X men / X2 / X3

Postby Sasha » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:02 am

Funny you should mention that - I LOVE X men Evolution. :-D And I've started watching the original animated series as well now. Watched the Dark Phoenix Saga yesterday. Crappy animation, but OMG OMG OMG! :bounce :bounce :bounce

I have watched the new trailer at least twice a day, on average , since it came out, so that'll be over 20 times by now. *goes to watch again* Obsessed? Moi? :-D

The definitive answer to the Jean/Phoenix ambiguity -

Q: Ok, im confused on this whole Jean/ Phoenix thing. Will Jean be completley gone and Phoenix is just inhabiting her body?
Or will Jean be fading in and out and her and Phoenix are struggling over control of the body? Please explain it to me. - Antonio P (Mar 12 2006)

A: This will be a lot different from the comic book version of Phoenix. While the comic character is an alien entity which takes over Jean Grey's body, in the film it will be explained soley as an evolution of the character's powers. Jean will be seen being good one moment, and extremely bad in the other moment.
This is not the Jean Grey we once knew. She's very confused after her 'death' in X2, and is not all completly there in the head (crazy!). She finds out the facts on why her powers are going through this amazing growth, and that just adds to the problem, as you'll see in the film. Her powers are so massive, she will have little control over herself, and her emotions. People will get hurt!

*sigh* I was kinda half-hoping for the whole star-eating alien force thing, far-fetched though it may be.
Oh well. Crazy Jean. :-D :bounce

The rest of the Q/A page is an interesting read too: http://www.xmenfilms.net/fanletters.html ,
as is the excellent Q/A with two of the X3's writers over on the Xverse forums: http://www.thexverse.com/community/foru ... y.php?f=12

Apparently the bald dude is Leech - I don't know much about Leech, but I'm guessing he's the little boy who had a few apparences in Evo - they referred to his mother as 'Mrs Leech'?

Oh, and the girl with the bad hair, who everyone thought was Stacey X, is apparently actually Arclight.

Windows media player version of the trailer now available here

I expect most of you have seen the bus-stop posters, which have been around the 'net for a while now, but there are new high-res versions here.

One last thing - did I mention I love Mystique with black hair? :drool

That was a long update. :-D
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