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‘My Girl’ – A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r'ship

Postby LostWithoutTara » Sat Apr 05, 2003 3:07 pm

First of all, I hope this is in the right place. I haven’t seen any other threads like this and the ones I looked at using the ‘Questions’ thread have apparently been deleted. :(



Part One – Introduction, Histories, ‘Hush’



The purpose of this thread will be to discuss Willow and Tara’s relationship throughout its duration on Buffy, from 4.10 ‘Hush’ to 6.19 ‘Seeing Red’.



Feel free to debate anything said by anyone (friendly debate only, of course). All opinions and viewpoints are welcome and encouraged. Please bear in mind that my posts are solely my ideas and interpretations based upon the episodes discussed. They are not intended to be a sweeping, 100% watertight overviews of Willow and Tara’s relationship. If you’d like to fill in anything or suggest an improvement, that’s great.



Also, a lot of my S4 comments are retroactive. I shall bulk them out with quotes and extra ideas soon, once I review the episodes and obtain some episode transcripts. S5 and S6 shall be more detailed as these are fresher within my memory.



Enjoy!





Before we dive into W/T, we need to look at them individually before their first meeting in ‘Hush’.



For Buffy’s first three Seasons, Willow was a nerd (no offence meant). This was a tag she had adjusted to and accepted. Willow was never popular – she had only a few friends – Xander, Jessy and Amy. With Buffy’s arrival, however, she is befriended by a ‘cool’ girl – one who doesn’t put her down like Cordelia or Harmony. One who respects Willow for being intelligent. Willow very much looks up to Buffy. With her friendship and Giles’ tutoring, Willow becomes a confident and powerful woman. She shows a great ability for magic and harnesses it for the benefit of others. She puts her life on the line to help Buffy, where many people would have refused. We already know she is special – but her potential remains untapped. Her first major relationship (with Oz) is loving, but shares its foundation on Willow’s previous desire to be cool. At university, Willow comes into her own – she gets the chance to shine and is rewarded for her talents, not victimised. Oz betrays her and leaves, and Willow is crushed. But she bounces back very quickly. She may have loved Oz deeply, but their relationship was clipped due to Willow’s desire to fit in. At college, Willow fits in. She does not need that validation any more.



Sadly, we know very little about Tara’s past. Her existence may have been happy up until the death of her mother. As well as trying to cope with her grief, Tara is forced into the role of caretaker for her family. But she doesn’t want to undertake that role forever. She wants to leave the nest and discover who she is. So her family concoct a story and tell her she is a demon. They no doubt use her sexuality and witchcraft as reasons to imply that she is a monster. Tara leaves, and goes to SCU. But do her family allow this, or does she run away? I believe the latter. At the university, she is content, although a relative outsider. She is painfully shy – no doubt a result of the emotional cruelty she suffered at the hands of her family. She joins the Wicca group and they accept her shyness and stutter. In Hush, when Tara goes to speak, the group leader tells the others to quieten so that she may contribute. But Tara is still unfulfilled. The group sees Wicca not as a religion or involving spells, but as a cool alternative lifestyle.



Then Willow joins. When we first see Tara in ‘Hush’ she sits on the floor while the others are elevated, she bows her head, her face concealed by her hair. This is very telling as to how Tara may view herself – as less than the others, subordinate. When the others allow her to talk, although she says nothing, there is happiness on her face at simply being acknowledged. This is both incredibly sweet and incredibly sad.



During the Wicca group meeting, Willow brings up the subject of spellcasting. Tara’s interest is immediately piqued – she looks up and sneaks quick glances at Willow. It is likely that even at this early stage, Tara sees something in Willow. Her magic allows her to see people’s energy flow, and perhaps, she detects that Willow has power. As the only two individuals believing in magic, a bond is immediately formed between them - although Willow does not see it and believes all of the girls to be ‘wanna-blessed-bes’.



But Tara sees it – when the Gentlemen steal everyone’s voices, Tara leaves the safety of her dorm room – despite (presumably) knowing of the student’s murder the night before. Because of her belief in Willow, Tara risks her life by going to find her in the dead of night. She is chased and nearly caught by the monsters. This is incredibly symbolic – Tara, the young woman, is deprived of her voice, her ability to speak out, by a group of older males (representing her father and brother?) She searches for Willow and finds her. Like Tara, Willow did not have to leave her room – but she does. This may be more evidence for a connection between the girls. They flee together to the laundry room, where Willow attempts to magically move a soda machine. She tries, and it violently shudders from side to side. Then, she and Tara join hands and it gracefully slides across the room, blocking the door and saving them. They keep holding hands even after the spell is finished. Both have felt and accepted the connection between them.



Willow is intrigued by her new friend and wants to know more. Tara downplays her own abilities. When Willow says that she’s nothing special, Tara earnestly tells her that she is. Whatever Tara has seen and felt within Willow, she already loves.



But will her love be reciprocated?





Edited by: LostWithoutTara at: 4/7/03 10:59:03 am
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bravo!

Postby the big pineapple » Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:14 pm

:clap :clap Great job on part one.I'm happy that someone is starting a thread like this.Personally,as a veiwer, I believe it is the fans job to look inbetween the lines and fill in the spaces the writters don't fully illuminate.

So again bravo to the beginning of a great analysis of the best f/f relationship on television!:bow

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Re: 'My Girl' - Part Two

Postby LostWithoutTara » Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:10 am

Part Two – ‘A New Man’ – ‘Who Are You?’ (4.12-4.16)



Although she does not appear in 4.11, ‘Doomed’, Tara subsequently appears in all the remaining episodes of Season Four.



Each Buffy Season has a mission statement. Season Four was about choosing between your past and your future. Do you choose to cling to what you have today or embrace what might be? This theme is represented by the movement to university of the Scoobs, and also by the Season’s villain. Buffy’s previous foes have been old, archaic. Adam is born of science - he is new, emotionally sterile and cold. Tara’s appearance a few episodes prior to that of Adam counterbalances things – she brings warmth and compassion against his sterility. Obviously, Willow’s past/future choice is between what she had with Oz and what she may have with Tara (but more on that come ‘New Moon Rising’).



In ‘A New Man’, Willow and Tara meet up for the purpose of doing another spell – this time, to float a rose. We all know what the rose symbolises – love, passion. They work together and attune their minds to one object – the rose (Love and passion). Their synchronicity shows that both are willing to explore this. If we view the rose as a metaphor for their relationship, we watch how it climbs, slightly wobbly at first, then ascending higher and higher until an outside force causes it to go haywire and the petals to explode. Although I’m sure the writers hadn’t planned this, it’s cruelly ironic that what happened to the rose matched what happened to their relationship. So we are shown that both are willing to explore the romantic possibilities between them.



In ‘The I In Team’, Tara shyly offers her doll’s eye crystal (metaphor for herself) to Willow, who is unsure whether to accept such a valuable thing. During this episode, Willow spends the night at Tara’s dorm room. Although we are never told what happened, this is probably the first time they made love. The Buffy writers tend to make parallels between characters – Buffy and Riley have their first sexual experience in this episode, so this further increases the likelihood that Willow and Tara did too. More evidence comes from the fact that after spending the night, Willow takes the doll’s-eye crystal (read Tara) back to her dorm room, happily accepting it.



Episode 14, ‘Goodbye, Iowa’, sees Willow visiting Tara again in order to perform another spell, albeit assuring her that spellcasting is not the only reason she comes over. If we use spellcasting as a metaphor for sex, Willow is telling her that their relationship is more than just physical – her first attempt to show her feelings. The spell’s purpose is to locate demons in Sunnydale. Tara is obviously scared – believing herself to be a demon, she sabotages the spell so that Willow will not see what she believes herself to be. Their relationship is currently cocooned – safe and secure within its own little environment. The majority of Willow and Tara’s scenes occur in Tara’s room. This is enclosed, space-like and dreamy – the perfect setting. But the time will come when they have to ‘come out of the dorm room’, as so to speak.



This process begins in 4.15, ‘This Year’s Girl’. Willow and Tara’s scene is relatively short, but shows us the first time that they act as a couple outside of the sanctuary of Tara’s room. Their feelings are also more apparent as Willow tells Tara about Faith. It is clear that she is acting protectively towards her new love. The second part of the two-parter, ‘Who Are You?’, sees Buffy and Faith inside each other’s bodies. Willow hides out at Tara’s, and their conversation reveals much about Tara’s feelings for Willow. Tara is hurt that Willow hasn’t introduced her to her friends, but Willow explains that this is because she is being protective, not that she is embarrassed. Willow clearly feels strongly about Tara, but she likes keeping what’s between them between them. This may be due both to Willow’s wish to keep what they have special, but also her uncertainty about coming out and what her friends may think. Tara is understanding of Willow’s feelings at this stage, and simply tells Willow that she is hers entirely.



WILLOW – “Buffy’s like my best friend, and she’s really special, plus, you know, Slayer, that’s a deal, and there’s the whole bunch of us and we have this group thing that kind of revolves around the slaying and I really want you to meet them and meet Buffy but I just sort of like having something that’s just, you know, mine. I don’t usually use that many words to say stuff that little. But do you get it at all?”



TARA – “I do.”



WILLOW – “I should check in with Giles, get a situation update.”



TARA – “I am, you know.”



WILLOW – “What?”



TARA – “Yours.”



-Who Are You? (Joss Whedon)



Willow is overjoyed.



Willow decides to take a half-step – she takes Tara to the Bronze and introduces her to Buffy as a friend. However, she doesn’t realise that Buffy is actually Faith. Faith instantly sees what’s between them and when Willow goes to get drinks, she verbally savages Tara, mocking her stammer and telling her how much Willow loved Oz. Tara retreats back into her shell, hurt. But she knows that something is wrong with ‘Buffy’ and tells Willow. If we didn’t see what was going on between them before, we are hit over the head now with the ‘orgasm spell’. Tara fears that the spell may be too difficult, but Willow absolutely trusts her. This knowledge that Willow trusts her is the first step to breaking down Tara’s shyness. The love and support that Willow shows her helps her to see that she is worthy – her family may see her as a monster, but Willow sees beauty. They successfully perform the spell and Buffy and Faith are returned to the correct bodies.



Things return to normal. But, as ever, nasty surprises are waiting just around the corner.











Edited by: LostWithoutTara at: 4/7/03 11:05:03 am
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Postby daddykat » Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:21 pm

The one thing I ahve to wonder about is how happy Tara had been before even with her mother there; that's an unanswerable question. The abusiveness I've seen in various families has tended to be far less overt than what I THINK was the norm in the Maclay clan. (not just the imediate family; based on the family legend, it seems Maclay first cousins ahve been marrying each other since the 1802s and I'm totally serious. Probably there was an open-minded branch but Tara wasn't raised in that one.)

Tara obviously had a good relationship with her mother and losing Mom proably took away Tar's last incentive to stay "home." But her mother was also under the control of the family structure and I ahve to wonder how much she was able to lighten Tara's overall dark existence.

Whether from her mother or soem other source, Tara found the courage to break away. Even tho she ahd to dress it up for Mr. Maclay's consumption as his "letting her get it out of her system."

Interestingly (I know you haven't gotten this far yet) Willow's instant forgiveness of Tara's almost getting evryone killed COULD be seen as too easy, a pathologically quick it-doesn't-matter motivated by Willow's own established tendency to be psycho-clingy of her relationships. But it saved Tara; otherwise, Tara felt so guilty I'm sure she would have let herself be dragged back.

This is what I mean when I describe them as "perfectly matched"; each always seemd to have an emotional "in" where the other had an "out".

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T: Waht would you have wished for if I hadn't wanted to come back ?

W: Dunno, maybe brought back the passenger pigeon or something.

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Re: -LWT

Postby The Rose24 » Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:53 pm

LWT,



You don't think "The I in Team" is a little too soon for W/T? They had only known each other for a short while. Buffy and Riley had been dating a lot longer than W/T.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


Edited by: The Rose24  at: 8/2/03 10:45 pm
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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby Blue Pariah » Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:27 am

You're doing a pretty good job here LostWithoutTara, but there's one part I strongly dissagree with.



Quote:
She joins the Wicca group and they accept her shyness and stutter.




I suppose this is possible. I saw them as ignoring Tara for the most part.



Quote:
In Hush, when Tara goes to speak, the group leader tells the others to quieten so that she may contribute.




I'm sorry, but this was in no way kindness. Making a big point of getting everyone to be quiet, and then focusing all their attention on Tara? This is one of the cruelest things you can do to a person with a stutter. And as a person who has battled a stutter for much of his life, I'm telling you this from personal experience. The group leader was being a major bitch, hiding behind a "oh, look how kind I am" attitude.



After all, what had just happened? Willow brought up the subject of spells. She was soundly mocked for that suggestion by the entire group, including the leader. Then Tara looked like she was going to side with Willow, challenging the leader's authority. I think its more reasonable that her "kindness" was really intended to beat Tara down.



Plus it just works better as a metaphor. Willow is silenced by the group. Then Tara is silenced by the group. Then the whole town is silenced by the Gentlemen. While most of the Scoobies sit around doing nothing, its Tara who "Finds Her Voice" if you will, by risking her life by going out into the even more dangerous than normal night, all in an attempt to help the town. Then Willow "Finds Her Voice" by trying to help Tara, even though she knows how dangerous it will be. That brings them together and puts them in a place where together they can help each other "Find Their Voices".

I take to shade and I play in the shadows
I watch my back and I play it cool
"Blue Pariah" by BRJ

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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Mon Apr 07, 2003 4:49 am

I think it's quite possible that it could have happened between them that early. It fits well with what we saw during the episode, but of course this is open to interpretation. Obviously, their first time together has never been disclosed - I think most people interpret it as being at the end of 'New Moon Rising' when Willow says she's going to make it up to Tara. But I saw this as being more giving herself fully emotionally as Oz is now 100% out of the picture.



Also, Tara was sure of her sexuality. The symbolism of the dolls-eye crystal makes me think that something happened, if not sex then at least their first kiss.





Blue Pariah, thank you for the compliment.



I'm sorry if anything I said struck a negative chord. I've never had a stutter and this changed the way I interpreted the scene.



But the reply was a bit confrontational. These are just my ideas and there may be others who have alternate ones (probably better :) ). All viewpoints are welcome and I will definitely consider what you said when going back over the scene.



Thanks again.





*instead of double posting, edit your first post and add anything new to that one.



Edited by: Warduke at: 4/7/03 7:39:58 am
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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby Firefoot » Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:17 am

LostWithoutTara wrote:



Quote:
With [Buffy’s] friendship and Giles’ tutoring, Willow becomes a confident and powerful woman.




This is kind of exaggerated; Willow didn’t really become consistently “powerful” until about the fifth season. Perhaps you might say, “Willow became more confident and took the first steps toward discovering her own power.”



Quote:
Her first major relationship (with Oz) is loving, but shares its foundation on Willow’s previous desire to be cool. At university, Willow comes into her own – she gets the chance to shine and is rewarded for her talents, not victimised. Oz betrays her and leaves, and Willow is crushed. But she bounces back very quickly. She may have loved Oz deeply, but their relationship was clipped due to Willow’s desire to fit in. At college, Willow fits in. She does not need that validation any more.




This may be an odd thing to say on a W/T ‘shipper board, but I think your summary kind of glosses over the whole O/W ‘ship. Yes, you’re writing an analysis of the W/T ‘ship and that’s where your focus will be, but Oz was still Willow’s first major romantic relationship. It was a big part of her character development over the second and third seasons (the writers certainly put a lot of time and work into introducing Oz and developing his arc with Willow); he was her first lover, and she was plainly devastated when he left. While I certainly won’t argue that Willow enjoyed the “cool” perks of dating a musician, I think it’s a little dismissive to say that her interest in Oz was based on a wish to be popular or a need for some kind of validation. If her remarks to Riley in “The Initiative” are any indication, her feelings for Oz ran pretty deeply:



“You spend time together, feelings grow deeper, and one day, without even realizing it, you find you're in love. Time stops, And it feels like the whole world's made for you two, and you two alone, until the day one of you leaves and rips the still-beating heart from the other, who's now a broken, hollow, mockery of the human condition.”



Based on the above quote, I would argue that Willow did not “bounce back very quickly.” As I recall, she spent a considerable amount of time between “Wild at Heart” and “Doomed” crying, moping, and just sitting numbly on her bed. Later, in NMR, she says:



“I missed you, Oz. I wrote you so many letters... but I didn't have any place to send them, you know? ... I couldn't live like that. …” and “I feel like some part of me will always be waiting for you. Like if I'm old and blue-haired, and I turn the corner in Istanbul and there you are, I won't be surprised. Because... you're with me, you know?”



This brings me to my second point. I think the breakup with Oz was a big part of her connecting with Tara. Willow was lonely and sad; her boyfriend was gone; Buffy and Xander both had new SOs; her old social group had sort of fallen apart; and she must have felt like her life was completely adrift. It made complete sense for her to reach out and develop a friendship with someone new. That friendship, with Tara, later grew into something deeper. Tara filled a void in Willow’s life, and if Oz hadn’t left town it’s possible that the friendship with Tara might not have developed into romance.



I also disagree that W/T’s first time making love was in “The ‘I’ in Team.” IMO, that’s just way too fast. For one thing, this is only Tara’s third episode on the show, and viewers hardly knew her. Presumably, she and Willow had only been friends for a month or two. I think at this point, Willow was still processing Oz’s departure; she was probably just starting to develop feelings for this girl that were stronger than friendship, and this possibly caused her some confusion re: her orientation. Frustratingly, viewers never really got inside Willow’s head in terms of that whole process, but I would imagine that she felt a least a little confusion, as she had previously only been attracted to guys (I’m basing this on what was shown in the maintext of the episodes, esp. Willow’s statement in “Tough Love” that Tara’s the first woman she fell in love with; in terms of subtext, YMMV ;) ). But whatever her thought processes, I think it was too soon for her to be sleeping with someone else, especially with possible orientation confusion and unresolved feelings for Oz tossed into the mix. IMO, if she’d started sleeping with Tara too early, their relationship might not have worked out over the long term.



Obviously, YMMV on W/T’s first time together, as so little physical intimacy was shown between them, but my personal money is on NMR. To me it’s a juncture that just makes sense in terms of character. Willow has come to terms with her new feelings for another woman; she’s had a chance to make her peace with Oz; she has some resolution about her past romance and is now emotionally ready for a new relationship. Also, at this point, Tara would probably have some reassurance that Willow really cares about her, and is not merely using her as a substitute for someone else. Again, it’s terribly frustrating to have to kind of “fill in the gaps” with guesswork like this, but that’s my own personal take on the events of season four.



Also, LostWithoutTara, you make no mention at all of Willow’s crush on Xander. This was IMO a pretty big part of her character for the first two seasons and well into the third (her smoochie-fling with Xander when she was dating Oz; her crushed reaction when she learned he’d slept with Faith). Again, I know this isn’t the focus of your essay, but I think it’s at least worth mentioning, as it influenced her relationship with Oz, which influenced her subsequent relationship with Tara. Just MHO, of course.



Otherwise, your essay is well-written and certainly helps to fill in some of those maddening little gaps from W/T’s early days together.



Firefoot

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"The holy passion of friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last for a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money."

--Mark Twain

Edited by: Firefoot at: 4/7/03 8:18:49 am
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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Mon Apr 07, 2003 11:50 am

I know I should have written some more on Willow's feelings for Xander and Oz, but I'm a bit hyper-aware that this is a W/T board so I left it out. But that's what editing is for:)



Elsewhere, when I called Willow powerful I meant fairly relatively. In Season One, her magic was non-existent. After Buffy/Giles, she casts several complicated spells (e.g. re-souling Angel).



After Oz, she did bounce back pretty quickly. She spent three episodes missing him. I agree that Willow really did love Oz, but, as I said, it SHARED its foundation with Willow's desire to be cool.

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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby Warduke » Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:13 pm

LWT, I completely agree with you about The I in Team being their first time, there's no way NMR was their first time, I won't go into it here, because we already have a thread about it, but just read that one and it's obvious that NMR was not their first time.


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Re: 'My Girl' A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:57 pm

Thank you Warduke. :wave



Anyway onto part Three. I will add more to this (especially concerning the first scene w/ Tara and the Scoobs and the 'coming out' scene) in the future, but it's currently almost complete.



Part Three – ‘Superstar’ – ‘New Moon Rising’ (4.17 – 4.19)



While Willow may have attempted to introduce Tara to her friends in ‘Who Are You?’ she only succeeded only in briefly showing Tara to Buffy (who was in Faith’s body). This step is inadvertently aided by Jonathon in ‘Superstar’, who casts his ‘best at everything’ spell, but also synthesises a monster. The monster attacks poor Tara. She saves herself using magic, but is badly hurt. Willow’s fear and anger over what has happened really clues us in to the deep emotional attachment she is forming/ they have formed. And in the process, Buffy meets Tara again.



In 4.18, ‘Where The Wild Things Are’, Willow and Tara further act as a couple, attending the Lowell house party together. But the house’s sexual energy negatively affects Tara during their conversation about horses (which itself has sexual overtones) and she flees from Willow. However, they are reunited later and Tara plays a vital part in the exorcism. She has now met all of Willow’s friends and they accept her into the group as Willow’s friend. Unlike Faith, they have yet to realise romantic nature of their relationship.



If Willow had almost given herself entirely to Tara, Oz’s return in ‘New Moon Rising’ seriously complicates things. Willow has dreamed of this moment ever since he left, but now she has fallen in love with Tara. She must choose between the comforting familiarity of her past and what she and Tara may have. If we look at the floating rose metaphor, this is the initial wobbliness.



‘New Moon Rising’ made me really love Tara’s character. She cares about Willow so much that she is willing to be discarded, as long as Willow is happy. That kind of love is rare. What they have is real, not an experimentation or phase. It is true, altruistic love. Tara is content to wait while Willow makes her decision. There are no childish ultimatums (cough cough). She reassures Willow that they will still be friends, regardless when Willow comes to visit her. She is also noticeably relieved when Willow explains that nothing physical happened between her and Oz. Willow leaves her sweater behind in Tara’s dorm room and Tara wears it. Unfortunately, she also bumps in to Oz. He recognises Willow’s scent on Tara, and quickly clicks that she is his rival for Willow’s heart. Tara is nervous and afraid and cannot stand up to him. He wolfs out and chases her. The Initiative stops him and saves her and the Oz-wolf is taken to the underground lab. Again, we are reaffirmed of Tara’s good nature. She does not leave Oz there, which would effectively remove him from the picture. She instead goes to Willow and tells her. Oz is saved, but the damage is done to his and Willow’s relationship. She is the trigger for his wolfing out. While Willow talks to Oz, Tara sits alone in her blacked out room.



Willow is not the same person she was. Part of her shall always love Oz for how he truly cared for her, but what she and Tara have is even more special. She has unlocked the latent part of herself, and their connection is too strong to discard. Oz leaves, and Willow goes to Tara with the candle. Tara’s self-confidence and belief in herself is so low that she assumes she has been rejected. But Willow has chosen her. Willow loves her entirely. She has made the decision. Tara is overjoyed. Willow can now give herself entirely - physically, emotionally. Tara told Willow she was hers in ‘Who Are You?’ Now Willow gives herself to Tara.



WILLOW – “Tara, I have to tell you that – “



TARA – “I understand. You have to be with the person you love.”



WILLOW – “I am.”



‘New Moon Rising’ (Marti Noxon)



The last scene of this episode is beautiful. Full credit to Marti Noxon for writing it, and of course to Amber and Aly for their wonderful portrayal.



Aside from the emotional experiences of Willow and Tara in this episode, we also have an important conversation between Willow and Buffy in which Willow clues her into the fact that she and Tara are girlfriends. Buffy is, understandably a bit surprised, but she accepts.



Willow has come out of the dorm room.





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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby The Rose24 » Mon Apr 07, 2003 8:34 pm

I agree with firefoot. TIIT is way too early for their first time because it is not in Willow's character. Willow is not emotionally ready for a physical relationship, and as I stated before, Tara is not the type of person who would move this fast. I stated in another thread that I think their first time happened between "WAY" and "Where the Wild Things Are."

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:08 am

Cool. I understand what you're saying and respect your viewpoint. Of course, my opinion is still the same.:D



Anyway, as you said, there's already the thread about how quickly W/T moved with regards to the physical aspect of their relationship. We'll never know exactly when, so let's all agree to disagree.:willow :tara

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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby Firefoot » Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:28 am

LostWithoutTara wrote:



Quote:
Aside from the emotional experiences of Willow and Tara in this episode, we also have an important conversation between Willow and Buffy in which Willow clues her into the fact that she and Tara are girlfriends. Buffy is, understandably a bit surprised, but she accepts.




I think you could actually expand on this a little more. Buffy struck me as more than a bit surprised--she was stunned, and stood there saying "Will!" until Willow finally asked, "Why do you keep saying my name like that?" (or somesuch). I think the interesting thing here is that Buffy, despite whatever questions are going through her mind, is determined to be supportive of Willow. I think this says a lot about their friendship.



Looking forward to subsequent installments! This is an interesting series of essays.



Firefoot

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"The holy passion of friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last for a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money."

--Mark Twain

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Re: My Girl - A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Wed Apr 09, 2003 9:09 am



Part Four – ‘The Yoko Factor’ – ‘Restless’ (4.20 – 4.22)



In ‘The Yoko Factor’, Spike attempts to split the Scoobs up by playing on their insecurities. For Willow, his choice is obviously her relationship with Tara. Willow believes that Buffy can’t handle the fact that Tara is her girlfriend. Both Xander and Giles now know the truth – Xander is momentarily shocked and Giles says ‘Bloody hell,’ but the focus is more on Buffy. (I won’t go into too much depth about this as ‘Restless’ pretty much covers everything going on in Willow’s psyche.)



4.21, ‘Primeval’, sees the Scoobs combining their essences in order to help Buffy defeat Adam. Willow is spirit, Xander heart and Giles mind. They merge and Adam is destroyed. The gang is healed and reunified after a Season’s worth of separation. From this point onwards, Willow, Xander and Giles all act as metaphors for Buffy’s spirit, heart and mind (although, of course, they are still their own characters).



The Season finale, ‘Restless’, gives us the biggest insight into Willow. This episode has been analysed to death so I’ll just go over the major point and my spin on it:



- College Willow fears/is embarrassed of High School Willow and who she used to be. The centrepiece of her nightmare is having her Outgoing Willow/Gay Willow ‘costume’ ripped off to reveal the dorky Willow underneath. Oz and Tara whisper about her; Tara doesn’t look very impressed. We can interpret this as Willow feeling that Tara wouldn’t love her if she was still Old Willow (confirmed in 6.10, ‘Wrecked’, but more on that later). It’s easy for her to associate having Tara and using magic, and perhaps part of her wonders if Tara would love her without the magic. You can’t blame her for feeling this way – before, she had nothing. Now, she has everything that matters to her. It’s easy to see links between two things that occur simultaneously. Of course Tara loves her regardless. But although Willow probably knows that deep down, there may still be some nagging uncertainty. We have further symbolism in Tara telling Willow that she doesn’t know everything about her (alluding, I guess, to Tara’s belief that she’s a demon and deliberate messing up of the monster-locating spell in ‘Goodbye, Iowa’). This indicates that Willow may be slightly uncertain about the relationship – she’s sacrificed her chance of rekindling her love with Oz and had to come out to her friends. She has a lot of cards on the table and a lot to lose if the relationship fails.



Willow has created herself a perfect identity, with Tara and magic as the key pieces. Her character is about how our view of ourselves affects if we act for good or evil. Willow’s unhappiness over who she used to be means that she will cling tenaciously to her ideal identity in order to avoid going back. Woe betide anything that threatens Tara or her magic use. This of course, sets up Season Five nicely.



Sorry that this part’s short, but with ‘Family’ and ‘Tough Love’ on the horizon, there’s a lot more to focus on. How did you interpret Willow’s dream? If you want to add anything, feel free. I tend to focus a lot on one point and forget the others, so add anything you want. Thanks! LWT



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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby Firefoot » Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:23 am

LostWithoutTara wrote:



Quote:
It’s easy for her to associate having Tara and using magic, and perhaps part of her wonders if Tara would love her without the magic. You can’t blame her for feeling this way – before, she had nothing.




"...before, she had nothing." What are you referring to here? Love, friendship, magical power, the respect of her peers? You might be a little more specific. Willow certainly had plenty going for her prior to meeting Tara--a group of solid and supportive friends, a romantic relationship, academic success, and hints of a powerful magical ability. She may not have been the most popular girl at Sunnydale High, but by the time she graduated, she'd certainly come a long way from "Welcome to the Hellmouth" Willow.



Another thing I've always found interesting about Willow's dream was her statement that she felt "safe" with Tara--especially in light of the Sappho verse she was painting on Tara's back. As I recall, that was a prayer to Aphrodite, and I believe the translation was something like, "don't hurt me, don't break my spirit." My interpretation at the time was that having been through a pretty heartbreaking split with Oz, Willow didn't want this new romance to suffer the same fate, and so she was making a plea to Aphrodite (perhaps even personifying Tara as her own personal love goddess) that she be spared from such pain in the future. Of course, at the end of the sequence, there's that intriguing bit where Oz is flirting with Tara, and they're both sort of laughing at Willow, suggesting that no romance is ever really "safe."



The interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that ultimately, Willow would be the one who hurt Tara, not the other way around, when she wiped Tara's memory in season six. I also felt that Willow's decision--to magically remove a conflict--was motivated partly by a deep fear that their disagreement might ultimately lead to a break-up. And ironically, her strong desire to prevent a break-up ultimately brought it about.



Wow, I'm feeling all academic now. ;)



Firefoot



ETA: I found the translation of that poem, thanks to BuffyGuide.com:



"Deathless Aphrodite on your lavish throne" translated by Peter Saint-André

Deathless Aphrodite on your lavish throne,

Enchantress, daughter of Zeus: I beg you, queen,

Do not overpower my soul with heartaches

and hard troubles,

But come here, if ever at another time

Having heard my voice you paid me attention

And leaving the golden house of your father

you came to me,

Yoking your horse and chariot: gorgeous swift

Sparrows carried you over the coal-black earth,

Thickly whirling their feathers through the midst of

heaven's ether.

Swiftly they arrived, and you, O blessed one,

Smiling with your immortal face, you asked for

What I suffered, and why again I call you

And what in my maddened soul I desire most

To happen to me: what dearest one shall I now

Persuade to lead you back to her — who, O Sappho, wronged you this time?

For even if she flees, swiftly she will pursue;

And if she does not receive my gifts, she will give;

And if she does not love me, swiftly she will love,

Even against her will. So come to my aid now,

Release me from my grievous cares, fulfill as much

As my heart yearns to be fulfilled: come, be my fellow-fighter



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"The holy passion of friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last for a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money."

--Mark Twain

Edited by: Firefoot at: 4/9/03 9:32:18 am
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Re: My Girl - A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:50 pm

'Welcome To The Hellmouth' Willow would have nothing in comparison to Outgoing Willow. Willow fears Tara discovering the 'geek' she was BEFORE magic. That was S1. Then she had only a few friends, no respect from her peers, and she was in love with someone who'd never notice her.



Even S2 and S3 Willow never had what she had S4. Sure, it looks good to us, but Willow has always wanted to be the strong, more confident person she was S4. She may have had some blessings pre-Tara but she probably didn't consider then blessings as she felt she could have more.

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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby Firefoot » Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:17 pm

LWT wrote:



Quote:
She may have had some blessings pre-Tara but she probably didn't consider then blessings as she felt she could have more.




"...she probably didn't consider them blessings..."



Is there anything in particular you're basing this on? Any point where Willow seemed disssatisfied, searching for something she didn't have? I don't mean to be a nitpick, but I never had the feeling that Willow didn't appreciate the things she had, or was looking for something more or something different. She was interested in learning more magic, but from her comments at the end of "Choices," it seems as though she realized this would be a process, and that it wouldn't just happen overnight.



Firefoot

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"The holy passion of friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last for a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money."

--Mark Twain

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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby darkmagicwillow » Wed Apr 09, 2003 5:52 pm


The interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that ultimately, Willow would be the one who hurt Tara, not the other way around, when she wiped Tara's memory in season six. I also felt that Willow's decision--to magically remove a conflict--was motivated partly by a deep fear that their disagreement might ultimately lead to a break-up. And ironically, her strong desire to prevent a break-up ultimately brought it about.
I agree that Willow's forget spell was all about her fear of Tara leaving her. Look at what happened with their one previous argument in Tough Love. And who hasn't wanted to take back something that they had said? The difference is that Willow has the power to effectively do that with the forget spell.



I think the first forget spell was completely in character, and I'm very willing to be forgiving about it, having experienced that moment of desperation where I wished that I could take back an argument I'd had myself. It was a deception made out of a fear, more akin to a lie than anything else, though it's impossible to make a perfect analogy for the spell to any real ocurrence. The second forget spell is malice aforethought hough, as Willow has had time to think about what she's done and she knows how Tara feels about it.



Returning to the Sapphic poem, I find that these lines chillingly foreshadow the forget spell:

For even if she flees, swiftly she will pursue;

And if she does not receive my gifts, she will give;

And if she does not love me, swiftly she will love,

Even against her will.


--

"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:54 am

The majority of my comments are mostly subjective and influenced by my own experience. I don't know if there was any evidence per se, but it's just the vibe I get from her. I've experienced having good things, and while still appreciating them to a degree, I've wanted more. Eventually you have to stop and realise what you have got (something Willow didn't do until 'Wrecked') and it can take an unpleasant catalyst to cause that.



Willow's biggest problem has always been her desire to escape her old self, be it through her friendships, relationships or magic. I suppose that because I'm writing these retroactively, what we've seen S5, S6 and (some of us) S7 has affected the way we view previous episodes.



Take 'Family', which I will cover next. At the end of the episode Tara asks how Willow always manages to make her feel special. Willow replies 'magic'. At the time, this seems just like a beautiful thing to say, but with hindsight it appears rather more sinister.

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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Fri Apr 11, 2003 12:40 pm

Part Five – ‘Family’ question



Okay, I know I skipped the first few episodes of S5 but nothing hugely significant happens in them (regarding W/T). We see that Tara and Willow are still happy and content together, although in ‘Real Me’ we see that Tara still feels like an outsider and this aids her friendship with Dawn as they are both non-Scoobs.



Before I step into the analysis – (next part), I have to say that one thing really confuses me about this episode, and I’m hoping that some of you may be able to clear it up. Tara’s family have made her believe that she is an evil demon, using the basis that all women in the Maclay family have demon in them. Mr Maclay says that his wife, Tara’s mother’s demon aspect emerged when she was 20 and that the same thing will happen to Tara when she hits 20.



Right, but Tara’s mother died when Tara was seventeen. Therefore, shouldn’t have Tara known that her mother wasn’t a demon? In order to have two late-teenaged children Mrs. Maclay would need to have been at least in her thirties when she died, thus putting her at least ten years above the demon threshold of twenty. If Tara had been a small child when her mother passed away, this would make sense, but surely at seventeen Tara would have known that her mother wasn’t a ‘disgusting demon’ (as Beth put it), and therefore neither was she. Hence, the family would not have that hold over her.



EDIT- If you're still interested in reading more, please drop a quick reply. It would be much appreciated as I'm a bit constricted for time and I'd like to know whether you guys are still interested in this thread or whether I should let it go.Thanks! :)



Or am I missing something? This has been bugging me for a while, and your insights would be greatly appreciated.



Edited by: LostWithoutTara at: 4/13/03 8:09:48 am
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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby chilled monkey » Sun Apr 13, 2003 2:15 pm

This bothered me for a while as well (more evidence of ME's incompetance if you ask me). The only explanation I can think of is that Tara's mother must have had some kind of mental illness (taken as a sign of demonic possession) which first appeared when she was 20 and gradually got worse with time. This also explains:-



a) Why Tara was so shaken by Glory being a brain-sucker

b) Tara's comment in The Body about her mother's death being sudden and not being sudden.



I know it's not perfect, but it's the best I can do.



Please continue this thread as I am really enjoying it.



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Re: ?My Girl? ? A Detailed Analysis of Willow and Tara's r's

Postby LostWithoutTara » Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:48 am

Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Stupid ME should have fleshed out Tara's background more. Thanks for your reply - I'll continue the thread with 'Family' very soon. :bigwave

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Disgusting Demon Heritage

Postby daddykat » Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:00 pm

As the product of a borderline abusive situation myself growing up, I can testify that you can come out of that with soem very odd "fixed ideas", and one often never bothers to reality-test them. You just keep looking at things that way, seeing rabbits and calling them glasses of milk, so to speak. In the case of full-out emotional abusiveness, with possible physical and perhaps even sexual elements, as amongst the Maclays, the distortion would be even greater.



So presumably, Tara's mother believed she HAD turned into a demon when she had her 20th birthday, and that's how Tara was raised to see her. Tara had the resolve to try to break out and was eventually enabled to do so with Willow's emotional support (well, she said "Go/ What do you mean ?") and some physical backup by Buffy, Giles, Xander, and Dawn. Beth apparently has accepted her lot. Since the Maclays obviously know very little about Spike's chip, the "proof" which convinced the Scoobies of Tar's genuien humanity probably bounced off them and Beth still regards herself as a demon and is by now married to whichever cousin has taken a fancy to her.



Which raises the point of what I've argued for a while. If it's the Maclay women who "become demons", that must mean Tara's mother didn't just marry into the family, she was born part of the clan. Does this mean the Maclay men have been marrying their cousins since 1820 ? It would explain the family myth, which would serve as a means not only of controlling "the' wimmenfolks" but also of keeping the inheritances in the family. I guess by now 3rd cousins among the Maclays are genetically closer than your average brother and sister.



Which leads to another question; if the genetic heritage is that close, how can the men look like Mr. Maclay and Donny but the women like Tara and Beth ?



I wonder if there's anothe r branch of the clan which accepts the faux demon heritage and are actively evil ? Plus, I wonder what's happened to others like Tara, women, men, or couples, who've also broken clan discipline ? (I have an unposted fanfic where I rewrote "Family" from the viewpoint of a more open-minded cousin who came out on his own when he heard what was being planned, thinking Tara needed the support, only to find she had it already, and ends up sticking around town for the party.)

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Re: Family

Postby LostWithoutTara » Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:35 pm

Part Six – ‘Family’



Before I jump into the episode, the general theme of S5 as suggested by ME is death, but I think that it’s actually ‘family’. Last year, the Scoobs were broken up and rejoined in order to destroy the villain. S5 sees them still together, but stronger from their experiences alone. We now really begin to view the gang as its own little family, with each member working with the others to achieve their goal. Elsewhere, our ‘family’ idea is nicely illustrated by the arrival of Dawn. However, one of the gang has still yet to be fully accepted by the others – Tara. Tara makes a joke when she aids the gang in moving Buffy out of her dorm room, and none of them understand it (except for Willow, who isn’t present at the time but does laugh at the joke when Tara tells her it later.) Buffy and Xander discuss W/T, saying that they find Tara strange, but perfectly nice. They still don’t really know her, but accept her because Willow loves her.



Being in the Scoobs must be extremely hard for Tara. As an extremely shy individual with a stutter, Tara has experienced problems with socialising in the past (Donny says that there are more people in the Scoobs than Tara met in high school, indicating that Tara had very few if any friends). To make matters worse, she is thrown into a group of aggressive-ish, confident people who fight monsters for a living. Not exactly the easiest situation in which to make friends, then. Tara is happy around Willow, but they have spent a lot of time together, alone. Still, Tara has made significant steps towards overcoming her shyness by the time ‘Family’ arrives, until the other Maclays show up.



I’m not that aware of what the Maclay family history is, but suffice to say it has been very abusive and this has had a huge impact upon Tara’s character. Thanks to daddykat and chilled monkey for your replies and suggestions as to the Maclay background – you said it much better than I ever could, so anyone reading this, check out the posts above if you haven’t yet already. I would love to explore this further, but as the main focus of this thread has to be Willow and Tara’s relationship I’ll limit the explanation. Having escaped the grip of her family, Tara has created a new life for herself, maybe in her eyes a new identity. She is like Willow, having moulded a new version of herself. She does not disclose what she believes herself to be, even going to the extent of casting a spell on her friends to stop them from seeing her demon side. But the spell also blinds the Scoobs to the demons Glory has summoned. Tara reverses the spell, but the damage has already been done. The Scoobs are angry at her, and her family seize the chance to force her to return home. But now, Tara has Willow. Willow understands both the spell going wrong (due to her own experience) and the reasons that Tara cast it (she wants to remain in the friendship group). Willow stands up for Tara, and when her family try to force her with emotional blackmail the others do too. This is the acceptance Tara has searched for since she joined the group. She is now a fully-fledged Scooby, and to her, finally having a true family is beautiful. Look at the smile on her face as Buffy says that the gang are her family. That is joy at finally belonging, being accepted for who she is, even if she is a demon - something Tara may never have had before. Her family’s hold over her is broken, and Spike delivers the final news – Tara is not a demon after all. She’s finally free from their clutch, and finally she is able to wield the power, telling them to go. This is the dawn of a new phase for her – ‘Confident Tara’. Being free and being with Willow are two of the best things she’s ever experienced. When they dance, Tara asks how Willow always makes her fell special. They are so much in love. Willow replies: “Magic.” This is a lovely thing to say, but also gives us a more literal view of how Willow sees her relationship with Tara. As I outlined before, Willow associates having Tara with magic. She has yet to learn that Tara loves her regardless. And this begins her downfall.



Edited by: LostWithoutTara at: 4/15/03 12:36:37 pm
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Re: Disgusting Demon Heritage

Postby Garner » Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:05 pm

I have two, well three, comments. First on the issue of Tara's mom and not turning into a demon, I think that is too literal. The Maclay women have demon in them, that doesn't mean they will turn into a demon physically. At one point Tara's father says that if she goes back with them they'll be able to control her problems. This is the main point of the whole issue. If Tara, or her mother, obeys the family males and does what they say than they will stop the demon in her from doing anything bad or evil. Any time the woman would do something wrong, they would use that as evidence of their demon and evil side and use it to maintain their control. Thus Tara's mother who probably was in her late thirties would have been under the family "care" and her demon side suppressed. I don't see the confusion here.

Next point. I do think that the forget spell was out of character. Sure, if the argument was that bad and Tara seemed intent on leaving, though in Tough Love it is Willow that storms out, not Tara, she might, might, use magic on Tara, but I doubt it. Willow is too kind and loving to abuse Tara like that. Especially after what Glory did to her and the aftereffects that we never got to see. No, I don't buy the spell at all, fears or not. As a matter of fact I don't believe any of season sux is worth much. Analyzing the characters and trying to explain or retroactively justify season sux is fruitless since personally I don't believe it ever would have happened like we saw. This is when the characters start to twist to fit an already decided plot line, rather than letting the characters dictate the plot. I really liked what you have done so far and always like this kind of analysis. I just feel that season sux should be regarded as a bad dream that never happened. It is irrational and not worth explaining or trying to analyze or justify. But then that's just me.

Last point. I thought the parts with Tara near the beginning of Primeval were interesting as well. She seems only somewhat nervous around Giles the next day and Giles seems to have no problems with the recently outed relationship. If Giles represents an authority father figure than Tara being willing to face him the next day says alot about her growth with Willow. We also see her try and shield Willow from Buffy when she calls and generally being supportive as Willow works on the computer code. To an extent one could say that Willow really has nothing to fear as Tara has seen some of her nerd side and encouraged it. In any case I thought you sort of glossed over this part a bit too quickly.

As a last thought. I always felt a bit cheated that we never had a Xander and Willow heart to heart about Tara and where Willow was at now. For two old friends that would have been interesting. But then we never saw Willow's parent's reactions either so no biggie I guess.

I look forward to the rest of your analysis.

Garner



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Re: Family

Postby The Rose24 » Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:44 pm

I love what you have done so far. Keep it up.



I don't want to jump too far ahead, but Willow depends on Tara for strength as well. In "The Body" Willow only breaks down in front of Tara. Willow is falling a part in Tara's presence, but as soon as The Scoobies arrives, she pulls herself together , so she can be strong for them. Willow is the rock of The Scooby Gang, but Tara is Willow's rock. This is why she can express herself fully in front of Tara. Also, in Restless Willow says she feels safe in Tara's room. I think you mentioned this in your analysis of season four.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.


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Re: Family

Postby LostWithoutTara » Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:28 am

Garner and The Rose24 thank you for the positive replies! They're very encouraging.



I agree with the problems of Season Six, but I'm still going to attempt to analyse it. Maybe I canpick out all the faults and correct them/say what I think should have happened? I've posted a big thread on another board detailing how ME messed up Willow S6, perhaps I'll post it here and see what you guys think. :bigwave LWT

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Re: Family

Postby DarkRed » Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:32 am

Hi! :bigwave

i just wanted to say how great this analysis is :applause

and i have some notes too:



1) the deamons in Tara's family are indeed amotional not phisycal, just like Garner said. they influence behaviour.



2) it indeed would've been interesting to see a talk between X&W but then this show was always good at leaving things in the dark.. (especialy willow and Tara's relationship- but i guess they had limitations cuz of the WB in S5)



3) Tara is indeed the warm motherly figure in BTVS. the way she comfurted will & Buffy after Joice death, and after Buffy's death in S6 (the start) you could see how she took over the mother part, raising dawn and taking care of everybody.



4) am i the only one who totally loved S6?!? :confused

maybe i'm just in for angst stuff..

however, it WAS in Willow's charecter to start abusing the magics. ever since she started using magic you could see it might devalope into something darker. i've been rewatching buffy's early seasons and many times i went 'wow, that's scary' over willow magic moments. they were like an insight on will later on.. i don't realy remember specific quetes or events but if you'll insist i'll search them up.



that's it. keep up the great work.



anne.:kitty

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Re: Family

Postby Firefoot » Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:35 am

Garner wrote:



Quote:
I always felt a bit cheated that we never had a Xander and Willow heart to heart about Tara and where Willow was at now. For two old friends that would have been interesting.




Hear, hear. I always thought there should have been a Buffy-Willow-Xander conversation about Willow's sexuality and her new love interest, something to sort of follow up on the "are you freaked?" conversation in NMR. It would be normal for Buffy and Xander to be curious about this change in Willow's life (especially on Xander's part, considering their little smoochiefest in season three), and it would have given Willow a chance to talk about what she found attractive or special about Tara. When a college friend came out to me, I was flabbergasted, then we spent like two hours talking about it. It's IMO very natural to be curious about such a change, especially if you had (as I did) no prior inkling that your friend was even questioning his or her orientation.



At the time of late season four, it struck me that the Buffy writers were trying to make Willow's sexuality as much of a non issue as possible. You'd read interviews where they'd say things like, "Oh, we don't think of them as gay. They're just two women in a relationship." I always found this approach a little... well, maybe "disingenuous" is the word I'm looking for. Maybe Whedon was under pressure by the WB not to make a big deal out of it, but I would much rather have seen something in the dialogue, an actual scene where Willow talks about the changes in her life. I felt like, "sheesh, if they're gonna make Willow gay, just do it, have her talk about it, and be done with it," rather than try to create some kind of hokey gender-neutral relationship. Of course, by the time Willow started openly declaring "I'm gay," it was halfway through season five and a little late for heart-to-hearts on the topic with Buffy and Xander.



Okay, I'm rambling off topic here! Sorry! :)



BTW, TheRose24, I was the one who mentioned Willow's "I feel safe" line from "Restless."



Firefoot

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"The holy passion of friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last for a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money."

--Mark Twain

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