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Re: amc 2/29

Postby molsongrrrl » Fri May 30, 2003 10:48 am

and wouldn't a rape make it a convenient way to avoid physical contact between lena and bianca? bianca has been raped and so would be "dirty" etc



i prefer to believe this rumor is just that. i have waited a long long time for bianca to given a storyline. ever since it was announced the character was returning and she would be gay. i have stuck with AMC through a lot. not sure if i would through a rape story -- i would need to see how its handled. my preference though is no rape ...



edited to add some spoilers:









From SOW:



*Adam's new partnership infuriates Erica.



*Bianca's words give Lena hope.



*Henry gives Alma upsetting news.



*Carlos reminds Mary of her past.



*Kendall accepts Boyd's invitation.



*Greenlee uses Lena to get back at Erica.









A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

Edited by: molsongrrrl  at: 5/30/03 12:10:34 pm
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Re: spoiler/rumor

Postby Kendahl897 » Fri May 30, 2003 1:26 pm

I'm not going to express an opinion on the rape rumore, b/c for now, it's just that, a rumor..But why are alot of people assuming that this is so that AMC can drive a wedge between Binx and Lena or so they can avoid physical intimacy? First of all, chances are they would be back together before this thing occurred, if it occurs at all, and second, I would think that a tragedy like this would bond them that much more. Does anyone really think that Lena would stop loving Binx just b/c she was raped? Or that Binx would never want to make love to Lena ( a woman) just b/c she was raped by a man? Sure there would be alot of stuff to deal with, but c'mon, these two are really in love. I can understand it if alot of people don't want Bianca raped and might decide to tune out if they go that route. That's more than understandable. But I can't see the leap to so ' they won't have to show intimacy' thought..Right now, L/B are one of the hottest and most popular couples they've got going on the show. If they didn't plan on exploring them more, I can assure you that Olga would not have a contract now/ nor would they have made it clear last week that Lena is gay..

Just keep in mind that as of now, it is an unconfirmed rumor, and we know how fast those spread on the net...

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Re: amc 2/29

Postby molsongrrrl » Fri May 30, 2003 1:49 pm

i never said it would drive a wedge between them or that lena would not love bianca anymore. but lets face it -- since the one kiss there hasn't been any real physical contact between the characters ....



i am also not assuming this is the reason for the rape story by any means. i am just saying that it would be a rather convenient way to avoid escalation of physical contact. does that mean that is what is going to happen? or that i think it will? nope it doesn't ...

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

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Re: amc 2/29

Postby Kendahl897 » Fri May 30, 2003 2:23 pm

I wasn't trying to imply anything. Sorry if that was the impression given.

As for the physical contact, I too wish they would show more but I understand that the producers might have wanted to see how this story was received before they took more than baby steps. I liked the sauna scene and the scene where they are touching foreheads, I thought that was sexier and more intimate than a sexfest like Maureen and Aidan's. However, I agree with you that once they are back together, there should be more intimacy involved.It's daytime TV, so I don't expect a sexfest, but a nice, long sexy kiss would be nice..since the response to the first kiss was so overwhelmingly positive, maybe we'll get it..Again, SORRY!

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Re: amc 2/29

Postby molsongrrrl » Fri May 30, 2003 2:31 pm

i woke up with a headache ... i still have a headache ... work has sucked all day ... i am truly sorry for getting testy at your post....



i just need to go home ... watch AMC today -- get some bianca and lena goodness ... and apparently goodness from boyd (telling lena not to give up) and mama kundera talking to bianca goodness!!!!

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

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Friday's episode

Postby voxanglsm » Fri May 30, 2003 2:49 pm

Rumors are bad. Lena being on the show today was good. And how awesome was her mom? I mean, even she knows how much Lena loves Bianca and she was willing to go to Bianca and try to tell her that. I'm thinking that's what convinced Bianca to at least go see Lena. I also think it's great that so many of the characters want them back together. And I was just so happy to see them in the same room together today. In the end, no one can deny the LAB love. Or lahv. Or something.

"Welcome to Kristin" -Kristin School

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amc 5/30

Postby laura1959 » Fri May 30, 2003 7:31 pm

Today's episode was wonderful! It was great to see Bianca, Lena's mom, and Lena herself refer to Lena as gay. It will be interesting to see how they get rid of Erica on Monday so they can talk.





I know everyone's probably sick of the soapcentral poll, but I just checked it. Lena has 60% of the votes with 1009!

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Re: amc 2/29

Postby Kendahl897 » Fri May 30, 2003 7:46 pm

I loved Lena's mom. She ought to move into the boarding house with Myrtle and they could be Pine Valley's joint love counselors. Hell, even I was going 'poor Lena.' What a rough life. It was almost like something out of Schindler's List

You could tell Erica was talking about the thought of Lena and Binx having sex together when she was going on and on about her disgust. I think Bianca picked up on that and I'm positive Lena did. That's when she called her on it.

And Anna..I will admit it now. I was in tears watching her break down. FH acted that very beautifully....

Can't wait until Monday now..

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Re: amc 2/29

Postby xita » Fri May 30, 2003 10:46 pm

I think the assumption that the rape is used to keep them sexually aparts comes from the very real possibility that Bianca would be not feeling sexual for a long time after that happens. I think it would probably be used to bring Bianca and Lena closer emotionally-wise though.



I don't like it so like I said, ignoring it for now, I wanted fun and it's fun right now.



I have to tell you the cutest thing I have ever seen is that photo booth set of pictures :happycry . That was so adorable. Man, we need to get back to that! I love mama kundera, I think she started to get to binks.

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Re: Friday's episode

Postby molsongrrrl » Sat May 31, 2003 2:26 pm

www.soaptownusa.com/qoh.html



this is a great opinion piece about lianca -- enjoy!



yesterday was a terrific ep - loved mama kundera (i want you to lahv my daughter). the boyd and lena stuff was great too. and of course lena calling erica on her issues at the end!



i'd like to know when they had time to go get those pics taken! :sigh

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

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Re: amc 5/30

Postby DaffyQDuck » Sat May 31, 2003 3:04 pm

I saw this link on another board..photos of the photo booth pics & other fun things from Friday's epi.

pub4.ezboard.com/fsosnovs...D=75.topic

It wasn't our world anymore, they made it theirs and they had fun - Willow

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Re: amc 2/29

Postby Kendahl897 » Sat May 31, 2003 4:37 pm

For some reason, that link only takes me to an article about One Life To Live. Could someone type this article up or post a different link. I read that they refer to Lena as the female Cary Grant.. That is SO COOL. No wonder Eden and Olga are having the times of their life right now..it looks like the gamble AMC took pairing these two instead of Binx/ Maggie has paid off in spades...

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Re: amc 2/29

Postby molsongrrrl » Sat May 31, 2003 6:11 pm

here is the column:





Gay storylines and daytime have been a hot topic for a long time. I remember Donna Pescow as a lesbian who fell in love with AMC’s Devon Shepherd, and Michael Bruno as Laurel’s adorable gay brother. And then there was OLTL’s storyline, with Ryan Phillippe as a gay teen coming out. When the AIDS quilt was unfurled, there wasn’t a dry eye from sea to shining sea.



Good stuff. But seriously short of a full-blown, knock-your-socks-off romance involving gay characters. As I write this, it’s not clear whether Polish beauty Lena identifies herself as lesbian or bisexual and I don’t really see that it matters. The Bianca & Lena romance is new territory for All My Children and for soaps in general, either way.



I’m sure there are viewers who are offended by the very idea of this couple, but I’m not one of them. To me, a love story is a love story, and if you can convince me that two sympathetic, fully drawn characters share a palpable attraction, have enough conflict to keep them interesting, and a commitment to be together against all odds, I’m pretty much on board. Something to gain, something to lose, and hearts that beat a little faster when they’re together. And Bianca and Lena have all that.



The reality is that except for a little gender bending, AMC is writing a classic soap opera romance for these two. Young, innocent Bianca, hurt in the past but not afraid to leap into love, meets jaded, cynical woman-of-the-world Lena, torn by her own double-dealing alliances as well as her newfound belief that real love can exist. That kind of Little Red Meets the Big Bad Wolf plot is a classic, especially when we see the Wolf having doubts about the dark and dangerous life that late he’s led and Little Red getting a major wake-up call that maybe the world isn’t all happy, happy, joy, joy like she thought. The outcome should be that Red becomes wiser and the Wolf rediscovers his heart, a la Jack and Jennifer and Patch and Kayla on “Days” and Luke and Laura on “GH” and Max and Luna on “OLTL.” One partner’s goodness and optimism and love saves the lost sinner, who mends his or her evil ways, while the other partner’s cynical, world-weary knowledge makes Pollyanna deeper and wiser. Classic. The only difference here is that they’re both girls.



It helps that the scenes where they flirted, circled, swooped, and shattered have been prettily played by both Olga Sosnovska and Eden Riegel. Riegel manages to be starry-eyed and still retain a feisty intelligence, anger and firm resolve, while Sosnovska has been just dandy, expertly portraying all the shadows of desperation, hope, betrayal, and overwhelming, unexpected love. Neither has balked at taking their girl-meets-girl story to its logical conclusion, with a kiss, a touch, a longing glance... And a steamy tryst or two along the way.



This is one of those romances where I find myself wanting to go, “Awwww...” with alarming frequency. I’ve seen Bianca grow up, and I find myself rooting for her to find love at long last, to get past the sadness and the vulnerability and the burden of being Erica Kane’s daughter. I know some of the BAM fans are cranky that didn’t happen with Maggie, who is closer to Bianca’s age and social group. But where’s the conflict there? The only ones I can think are that Maggie is not a lesbian (which is kind of a tough one to overcome) and that Bianca was already in love with Maggie’s twin sister, which means she would wonder whether it was really her or the fact that she looks like Frankie that Bianca is attached to. Frankly (no pun intended) I find either of those not at all that entertaining as a soap story. I also think Bianca has grown past Maggie. In recent scenes they shared, where Maggie was whining about Henry and Bianca kept her own counsel, Bianca seemed light years ahead of Maggie when it comes to maturity and growth. If they were on the same footing before, they’re not anymore.



Nope. I think Lena is a good match for Bianca, precisely because she is older, mysterious, elegant, and sophisticated. In short, Lena is like a female Cary Grant in “Notorious,” which is about as yummy as it gets, if you ask me.



Lena’s story intrigues me, since she’s smart, misguided, and seems to keep digging herself a deeper and deeper hole. You have to wonder just how far down she can go and still expect to climb out. As I write this, Bianca has fallen hard, and then discovered a few of the nastier lies Lena sent her way. Bianca has not been in a forgiving mood so far. But that just ups the dramatic ante. Can Lena find a way back to forgiveness? What can she possibly do to make amends? Or will the sting of rejection send her onto an even darker road, continuing her string of terrible choices, making her situation with Bianca even worse? Pop the popcorn and settle in, kids! It’s getting good.



It also boosts their story that they’re tied into so much else on the canvas. Bianca’s estranged sis, Kendall, had to admit that her boyfriend was sleeping with Bianca’s girlfriend. Quel horreur! Bianca’s mom, the venerable Erica Kane, had to confront the idea that she might lose both her beloved daughter and her company to corporate spy Lena. Quel dommage! The Kane women actually teamed up — all three of them — to unveil the whole conspiracy. Quel surprise!



And then there’s the Boyd factor, diabolical Michael crossing and double-crossing everybody, the rest of Fusion and Enchantment, and even new parents coming on the scene (as if Erica weren’t plenty of parental problems for everyone), all of it creating more complications for Lena and Bianca, as well as Kendall, Erica and most of Pine Valley by extension.



When a romance plays on that many levels within the couple and without, it’s cooking with gas.



For the Song O’ the Week, I’m using something called “Ah, But Underneath,” written by Stephen Sondheim for one incarnation of his fabulous “Follies.” I think these lyrics are so perfect it would be criminal to mess with them. Well, I did trim out a bit here and there. But I hope you enjoy the brilliance of Sondheim as I’m relating his lyrics to the Lovely Lena.







She was smart, tart, dry as a martini



Ah, but underneath



She was all heart, something by Puccini



Ah, but underneath







In the depths of her interior



Were fears she was inferior



And something even eerier



But no dared to query her superior exterior







She was chic, sleek, anything in fashion



That was just a shell



Take a close peek, you could see the passion



That was one as well







To conclude, you’d soon discover



The secret of her appeal



Was the wonder which lay underneath



Which she wasn’t about to reveal...







I used this song because I think it highlights what it intriguing and compelling about Lena — she has a whole lot of secrets, and we still don’t really know what goes on underneath. Unlike the woman in the song, I do think there will be something real and sweet and loving revealed underneath all the layers of deception when all it said and done. I guess we’ll find out. I hope Lena is around long enough to find out.



It may be true that this is all a smarmy marketing ploy by ABC, banking on the idea that straight men, bisexual and lesbian women, and some other folks who are just curious, will tune in specifically to see girls kiss each other. ABC may very well be taking a page from marketing research that says lesbian love is all the rage, that the Jennifer Anniston-kisses-Winona Ryder sweeps move by “Friends” a few seasons ago scored in the ratings or that the upcoming Showtime series — “The L Word” — the one they’re calling a lesbian version of “Sex and the City” — is getting all kinds of buzz. If so, it seems to have worked. An ABC press release indicates that ratings were up 15% over the weekly average for the Lena/Bianca kiss episode.



And if it was just a ratings grabber, more power to the AMC scribes for choosing a canny promo hook and then building a decent story around it rather than just tossing out a few sensationalistic seconds of lesbian lip-smacking. If the PR department wants to platform ads on what is actually a good story, who cares?





A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

molsongrrrl
 


Re: Friday's episode

Postby Kendahl897 » Sat May 31, 2003 8:12 pm

Thanks for the transcript. Mucho appreciated..this article was really good.. I have to say I agree, on all levels...

Edited by: Kendahl897 at: 5/31/03 9:00:24 pm
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Re: amc 5/30

Postby Warduke » Sat May 31, 2003 9:43 pm

Thanks for the transcript Kim. This is good ;)


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Re: amc 5/30

Postby xita » Sat May 31, 2003 10:12 pm

lena as cary grant, hee and somehow that sits really well with me.

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Re: amc 2/29

Postby sheila wt » Sat May 31, 2003 10:44 pm

Thanks for the article. :) It really shows the main points of both characters and how great their interaction and chemistry are.



Nice to see that lots of people agree that Bianca is acting so much more mature than Maggie lately. They don't even look almost the same age anymore!



Also, thanks for the link to the caps. I just *had* to see those little photos again.... so cute...:heart

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"She had tasted Willow on her tongue, and she had worn Willow on her skin. There wasn't a shower in the world that could have washed that away." (Terra Firma, by Tulipp)

Edited by: sheila wt at: 5/31/03 9:46:06 pm
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RE: transcript

Postby laura1959 » Sun Jun 01, 2003 7:19 am

Thanks so much for the transcript. It really did give a good analysis of the characters. I'm looking forward to more growth for all of them in the future!

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Re: amc 5/30

Postby Warduke » Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:20 pm

Found this pic of Eden and Marc (Boyd) over at WireImage...



ABC Super Soap Weekend at Disney California Adventure


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Re: amc 5/30

Postby molsongrrrl » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:36 pm

ah she is so cute! thanks for the pic!!!

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

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Eden and Olga habitat for humanity pics

Postby sonadoras » Mon Jun 02, 2003 3:14 am

There are pictures of Olga with power tools and Eden at London Features Inernational

217.158.83.123/scripts/kw...it=lsearch



I hope the link works.

Edited by: maudmac at: 6/2/03 2:25:02 am
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Re: RE: transcript

Postby maudmac » Mon Jun 02, 2003 3:36 am

Oh, wow, thanks, sonadoras. Lovely, lovely pictures.


Pussy - strong enough for a man, but made for a woman  -- Margaret Cho

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pics

Postby laura1959 » Mon Jun 02, 2003 4:52 am

Thanks for the pics! Eden and Olga looked really cute with their power tools!

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Re: amc 5/30

Postby xita » Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:16 am

Those pictures are pretty funny, susan is so funny. And Eden and Olga look great, glad to see Olga doing publicity for the show! Thanks sonadoras!

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Re: Eden and Olga habitat for humanity pics

Postby molsongrrrl » Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:50 am

great pics! thanks so much ... power tools mmmmm :angel

A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants

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Re: RE: transcript

Postby Warduke » Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:21 am

Thanks sonadoras, great pics, they look sooo cute together :heart



And some funny pics too :lol


Lil' Trevor : Always the life of the party.

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6/2

Postby laura1959 » Mon Jun 02, 2003 7:20 pm

Today's ep was pretty good. I would have liked it better if Bianca had given Lena some hope today, but I guess they have to drag it out for awhile. It was great to have three strong actresses in the same room! I'm so glad I tape these shows - it let's me fast foreward through the HAM scenes. What a waste of a good actress!

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Re: amc 5/30

Postby xita » Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:30 pm

Yeah the three of them are great in a room. I am thinking Bianca gives Lena hope in the next couple of days, better be before I am off to MR lol.

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Re: 6/2

Postby NoveltyAct » Tue Jun 03, 2003 12:42 am

Ack! I'm dyin' out here!



VCR flutzed and I missed today's chock-full-o-LAB-goodness episode (and I have neither SoapNet nor any other kind of cable tv). :sob Is there any kind-hearted, media-whizzy kitten out there who might be able to send me a tape, or perhaps make some clips? *puppydog eyes* Purty, purty please? :flirt

---------------


You cannot find peace...by avoiding life. ('The Hours')

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Monday's ep

Postby laura1959 » Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:05 am

Here's a link to what happened on Monday for anyone who missed it.



pub104.ezboard.com/fedenr...=399.topic





I forgot to include a link to pics from Monday.



members.shaw.ca/mbanda33/...sMain.html



*instead of double posting, edit your first post and add anything new to that one.



Edited by: Warduke at: 6/3/03 7:19:29 am
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