All My Children

[Kendahl897]

HH is also the same one that said there were going to be mass firings at amc, something about Bianca and David and that Alicia Minshew was being written off in February. All Bogus. Sage has a better record and he's standing by what he wrote.

I have a hard time believing that AMC would have two teenagers, one who's questioning her sexuality, raise a baby.

[PheeNiks]

Umm...ok? That Datalounge stuff doesn't even make sense. Straight male executives? Would that be Frons? The new head writer, Megan McTavish (a WOMAN) replaced a couple of head writers who previously nixed BAM). And how was that a kick in the teeth for the fans? I guess it depends on which fans you ask. But I guess everyone has their BIASED opinions, and boy is that one.



What people seem to be missing is the fact that all these nifty people here on the internet only count for a fraction (and a tiny fraction) of soap viewers. Some don't even watch the soaps they are busy at their PC getting the "play-by-play". The BULK of the viewers are out there watching with their grandmas every day and not on the internet discussing it.



And for the record those who say AMC ratings took a dive because Lianca got nixed. Well AMC was at a 2.8 when THE KISS happened - it's now sitting nicely and higher at between a 3.0 and a 3.2 (number 3 in ratings tied with GH), depending on the week. After Bianca and Lena split or whatever, the ratings actually went UP. I hate to sound snarky but it might have more to do with the state of the show as whole, the story writing and the return of Ryan Lavery and other soap vets. The audience that follows the trials and tribulations of Bianca are only a small percentage of the total fan base. Lianca fans/Bam fans? Even smaller fraction. So if Lianca fans turn of their TV sets because they are pissed that their ONE couple got the boot, I doubt the ratings will take much of a dip. I mean I like my couples but I'm an AMC fan not a "couple-of-the-month" fan.



Oh and by the way. I like Olga's accent. It's very worldly and I hear she speaks like 4 or 5 different languages. My kinda woman! LOL



Oh and I have to add this since Bianca is being all Maggie Maggie Maggie lately. Not that I mind. But this is SO true to me. I got it from another message board, someone's colum that I didn't mostly agree with but ITA with this part she said.



"All My Children needs to develop a relationship between Maggie and Bianca, or stop writing dialogue between the two that sounds like a love poem; at the same time, they need to either rekindle Lena and Bianca's romance, or stop pretending they're going to."



Amen to that. I feel like they are pulling my chain and it's starting to gag me.

Edited by: PheeNiks at: 10/16/03 7:38 am

[scifiacid]

I think that the Datalounge stuff freaked people exactly because Frons has said that he likes Liz and people could see him doing something like this. At least I could. This is the main who blurted out that Bianca would be pregnant from the rape at a freaking dinner party. He has no tact and I think he cares very little for any of the ABC soaps. I think if they where all cancelled and the time slots filled with game shows, he’d be happy. And McTavish hates women. Look at all the soaps she’s been head writer for, rapes, strong women are weak man chasers who run around with their heads cut off. McTavish has also been known to play her favorites, Ryan was one and look at him, he’s back and owns the whole freaking town. He’s also a total bastard and, I’m sorry, but the actor is horrible. Erica being raped in the first place was a McTavish written plot. She even was the one who wrote that Bianca was almost raped when she was what, 11 I think it was. I guess she finally got to fulfill that little sick wet dream of hers. McTavish can’t write for shit. Her stories suck and I can see her doing exactly something like this. The problem with the Datalounge rumor is that I can believe it because of the people running this show now. To me, it doesn’t seem all that outrageous.



In terms of ratings, as long as they pull a 2.7 ABC is happy. I’ve read most of this thread and I never really saw a ‘Lianca is responsible for the drop’ comment. But, maybe I need to go back and read it again.



Yes, the Internet is a small percentage of the viewers, but, I always thought that the poll they took asking if Bianca and Maggie should be a couple was taken from the GENERAL viewing public. Not some Internet poll on a website. Of course, I could be wrong… yet again.



I also was enjoying some of the other characters. Bianca and Lena together was just a massively wonderful extra bonus. But I can’t stand any of them now. My Kendall and Greenlee love is even waning here. Jack… oh Jack, he needs a smack. And Aiden is starting to annoy me as well. Boyd is nowhere to be found most days, where’s my Myrtle damn it. Really, almost all the characters I like are acting like idiots these days. I basically do not like much about the show and Bianca, whoever she is with, just adds another notch as why I don’t like it.



I’m spending much too much energy on this show I think!

[gspiggott]

Scifiacid , great post! Mctavish was brought in to increase the ratings over Rayfield -Cascio. In the first two months she drove them down dramatically including hitting an all time low of 2.6. Lately they've started to creep back up but the numbers are still lower than a year ago.

Soap operas are about who drives the fan interest and that would be Olga by a mile over Liz and even Eden at this point. Prominently featuring Liz in this storyline hasn't dislodged Olga from the top of the polls in SOD, and when they won the couple poll in SOW the magazine nullified multiple votes from the same source.They have to appeal to more than one group of viewers to generate that kind of interest. Frons has mentioned his liking of Liz when he was hired as head of ABC Daytime .

HH has been wrong on some things , but he's hit the mark a few times as well.The David Bianca story was that an ABC exec thought they should be romantically involved, and someone had to explain that since Bianca was a lesbian and had just been raped this might not go over very well.Two weeks later AMC's longtime producer was fired. I'm more leery of this triangle because the soap magaizines have been dropping vague hints about it since McTavish returned.

McTavish is a deranged woman hating freak who should be locked up and heavily sedated instead of churning out twisted dreck and claiming that she's dealing with social issues. There's a reason why she's known as the Typhoid Mary of Soaps and has been fired over and over.Sadly I think by the time she gets canned it will be too late for fans of the show, and anyone who admired the Agnes Nixon version of AMC and Bianca.

[Kendahl897]

HH was also responsible for the Alicia Minshew crap a month ago. I don't really know enough about McTavish to comment, but I've always gotten the impression from Frons that he never really wanted a BAM pairing, despite whatever feelings he may have for Liz. He could have put them in a relationship a year ago, but he kept putting it off til he did a poll where the majority wanted a GF for Bianca but not Maggie, which he then jumped on and used to being in Lena. And it was Frons who signed Olga to a contract, even though the character of Lena was originally supposed to leave Pine Valley on a plane.

[dazedandamazed]

So true kendahl...While the ratings have rebounded slightly...(according to last week they are a wopping 3.0), I would also venture to say that they may take a dip soon with the latest front burner storyline of JR/Babe/Jaimie. however, if the ratings don't dip and the rumours of more Lianca coming up are true then where did the ratings come from? IOW, does the loss from the JR storyline get blunted by the gain of more Lianca?



If that is a possibility? Could we also suggest that the loss of Lianca was blunted by the gain from the murder mystery picking up over the last 2 weeks?



I guess what I'm saying is that once a new SL takes place and the novelty has warn off, the ratings take a small dip before something new happens. Lianca has the ability to draw ratings and isn't being utilized. The SOW poll had 60,000 votes cast and Lianca catapulted into the upper echelon of favored couples. Those numbers have to mean something.

[theatremouse]

well then there's also the likelihood of this "Jamie/JR/Babe" thing tanking because the new actors are less than thrilling.....

but i sposed thatll be another one of those subjective things.

good points dazed.

Tara: Five what by five what?

Willow: See? That's the thing: no one knows..

[Kendahl897]

I sincerely hope that Soapboy is right about a reunion taking place the middle of November. Ratings aside, if they're not together, I think there will be a huge backlash. This past week saw two columns written about the lack of Lianca togetherness. The longer the seperation goes, the louer that drumbeat will get and so on and so on. And those viewers will leave .

[ScullyWillowXena]

At this point they can't possibly be trying to present Bianca as a viable suspect. She was the one that kept asking Kendall if she really married Michael and she was the one that was worried that Michael might come back to claim his child. That look that Aidan gave her when she offered herself up as a suspect though has me a bit perturbed. Bianca does not have the chops to commit murder nor does she have the smarts to get away with it. Haven't vented in a while.....it was building up

[Kendahl897]

No, they're not trying to present Bianca as a suspect. She did that because she was pissed that he was trying to implicate Lena. More likely judging by the spoilers, Kendall. By the way, both Olga and Eden posted on the Symposium. Good things ahead for Lianca in November. Looks like Soapboy may be right after all.

Edited by: Kendahl897 at: 10/28/03 7:30 am

[scifiacid]

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The SOW poll had 60,000 votes cast and Lianca catapulted into the upper echelon of favored couples. Those numbers have to mean something.

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Damn, that's a lot of votes. That means that there is a fairly large fanbase beyond the comfy SS and such that has no problem with Bianca and Lena. Which is fabulous. It's not just some fringe fanbase voting here, it's a broad base of viewers. Damn skippy that means something to TPTB.

[Kendahl897]

If AMC didn't think they were popular, they wouldn't be saving th ereunion for sweeps, when ratings matter the most. Im not saying I agree with that. I think the seperation dragged on for way too long, but just saying they seem to be saving the best for sweeps.

[xita]

you hope... Cause november sweeps spoilers have yet to show me reunion. It's been weeks since I've seen an episode.

Edited by: xita  at: 10/28/03 9:46 pm

[Kendahl897]

I'm not going by any spoilers I have read, except for Soapboy, who said that they (reunion scenes) were filmed the week of October 6th. I'm going by the posts made by Olga and Eden over at the Sosnovska Symposium.

[xita]

I read olga and eden's post, all they said is that things are getting better, that we might like what's coming that doesn't say reunion in november to me. It says baby steps in november, i still don't see reunion in november.

Edited by: xita  at: 10/28/03 9:47 pm

[Kendahl897]

Well, it looks as if the long anticipated reunion starts Monday. Olga is looking hot as usual.

[concrete]

I have nothing to contribute about the contents of this show because I’ve never ever seen it, on account of me not living in the U.S.A. However I did find this site with a rather cute clip involving both ladies, obviously

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious. ...

[urnofosiris]

Well now you have seen it all, hee. Thanks, that's a good video. The scenes fit the lyrics perfectly, the person who made it did a great job, and it ends as it should end. Oh and I had not seen the picture that's all the way to the left in the banner before, yowza.

The last mosquito that bit me had to check into the Betty Ford Clinic.

--Patsy Stone

[xita]

Nice video, hmm god they do have chemistry, watching them skirt around each other again reminds me of that. I still have no faith it will be pulled of successfully at all. But olga and eden sure do have chemistry.

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[urnofosiris]

Yes they do, it's such a shame that their chemistry can be almost completely summed up in a short video clip. Such a waste, there could and should be so much more to show for the past year. When you watch the video it is very clear that Olga has a hand thing, hee. It reminded me of WT and Willow's elbow to hand caress and the mutual hand touching.

The last mosquito that bit me had to check into the Betty Ford Clinic.

--Patsy Stone

[Kendahl897]

Lena and Bianca had enough chemistry today to fire up a science lab. Talk about saying it all without saying a word.

[xita]

Ain't that the truth!



The one thing I am really annoyed with, and they may have provided an explanation, but Juan Pablo and his "brother" Carlos have Spanish accents from different countries. It's so annoying.

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[Kendahl897]

Between Opal's eulogy, the funeral director, Kendall's red dress and Lena's spit, today's show was a classic..LOL

[gspiggott]

You forgot the Bianca thanking her rapist bit. If any of that qualifies as classic, no wonder the show's tanking.McTavish is a sick twisted woman.

[xita]

It's always polite to thank one's rapist.

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[ScullyWillowXena]

Come on....Aidan, Tad and Boyd really made that episode by disposing of his corpse in an undisclosed location. As for the funeral....I rather enjoyed everyone telling Mike what they thought of him....and since then I've kinda liked this little Bianca/Kendall little meeting of the minds....and today with Kendall telling Erica off even though Erica was really trying.....nice....everything else on the show sucks but you have to love Kendall

[Kendahl897]

Actually, It was Myrtle, Opal and Lena spit that made that episode for me, and the boys..Everything else I just FF'd through

[ScullyWillowXena]

Lena made major brownie points today with Bianca by saying that if Binks had decided to see the pregnancy through she would have supported her. However, why is Lena still trying? If I had been rejected even a third as much as Lena I would have gotten the hint and moved on to greener and less complicated pastures. Why must they make Lena so pathetic?

[xita]

Cause lesbians are unstable and suffer from obsessive love.



Oh, no wait, because AMC is lame and isn't treating Lena like a character. I guess shows can only deal with one lesbian at a time and their lovers have to be relegated to being props.



*edited to add!



Oh ok, so I think we can officially say sweeps are over. Where was our reunion? Will there be a backlash as had been predicted? Will the fans leave? I doubt it. AMC is real good at throwing bones when they are most necessary and they've done just that. It's a good thing I wasn't expecting a reunion or really anything from AMC.

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"Hard work often pays off after time but laziness always pays off now!"

Edited by: xita  at: 11/30/03 9:47 am

[gspiggott]

So here are my predictions for AMC. In a week or two Soapboy will start telling everyone he heard that the reunion got slowed down a little bit during sweeps for some reason but that Christmas will feature lots of Bianca /Lena and that TPTB have noticed how popular they are with fans. Meanwhile Lena basically disappears again , and it's back to scenes with Bianca and Maggie or Bianca -Kendall.New actress Bobbie Eakes gets tons of promotion for her role as Babe's mother and playing a new character created by Typhoid Megan. Olga wins poll after poll and gets squat in terms of network promotion since she's not the sort of dumb young blonde Frons loves so much.

The audience's hopes will continue to be played , but all the talk of a triangle is a way to get screentime for Maggie and not deal with the idea of Bianca ever having an intimate relationship with Lena.

Actually the rape was great for this reason any time they want to end any relationshop Bianca might have just toss in rape flashbacks to put an end to it, or have the baby start crying. If that's not enough have either Lena or Bianca as the actual killer.

The only real hope for Lena is if Frons gets fired and McTrash gets scared enough about the flatlined ratings to write for the character.Otherwise more of the same.