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Wonderfalls

Postby willowlove » Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:56 pm

Finally, a valid reason for me to start a thread.



Tonight is the premiere of the FOX show "Wonderfalls" (9 PM ET/8 Central) and I was wondering if anyone else was going to watch it. The reviews have been pretty good to great.



For those that don't know, "Wonderfalls" is essentially (at least from what I've read, as I've not seen it yet) "Joan of Arcadia" moved to Niagara Falls and made a little more comedic (but, as the two shows were conceived of at the same time, there's no ripoff going on). The lead actress has figurines in her place of work--a tourist trap store--speak to her and tell her to do things. She goes along (apparently) just to shut them up rather than any altrusic impluse.



Find out more at the TV Guide review here.

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby seurat » Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:46 pm

The advance word on this from critics was remarkably good, so it's too bad they held it back for so long. Since Joan came on first and has done so well I doubt this show has much of a chance, but hey, who knows, maybe the Joan audience will switch over at 9 pm. That's what I'll be doing.

"Learning, playing and loving, and combinations thereof,are a good way to spend a lifetime. Admittedly, a difficult regimen, but nonetheless not beyond attainment.

Start with playing." - Alexei Panshin, The Thurb Revolution



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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:58 pm

I don't have a problem with Tim Minear. He wasn't involved with the W/T debacle, so he gets a fair shot with me - especially since I like the work he did on Strange World. Plus Jewel Staite (yes, from Firefly, but I know her from her long career as a child actress) is due to appear in a recurring role in the later episodes.



The potential hitch for me is series creator Bryan Fuller, who was a co-producer in the later years of Star Trek: Voyager and then went on to create the Showtime series Dead Like Me. He was booted from DLM after only a few episodes - and if you ask me, booting him was the best thing that happened to that show...

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 3/12/04 2:59 pm
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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Gatito Grande » Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:59 pm

Two words though: Tim Minear.



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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby seurat » Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:33 pm

Ah, didn't realize that. Well, now if it does suck I'll know who to blame...

"Learning, playing and loving, and combinations thereof,are a good way to spend a lifetime. Admittedly, a difficult regimen, but nonetheless not beyond attainment.

Start with playing." - Alexei Panshin, The Thurb Revolution



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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Munchkin » Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:31 pm

Ah, I once thought that way about Mr. Minnear myself until I started renting Season 3 of Angel, primarily to give it another shot as I'd never seen it all the way through the first time around due to my allergic reaction to some appallingly bad early episodes. After I was reminded of the sheer dumbness of "Heartthrob", the misogyny inflicted on Cordy in "That Vision Thing" and the Mary-Sue idiocy of "Fredless", I quickly tuned out again.



My point is that the absolute worst of these, the Gunn-centric "That Old Gang of Mine", which was due to its awful racial stereotyping of Gunn's ex-gang as stupid trigger-happy homeboys (that loudmouthed Gio guy being the worst offender), unfunny "comic relief" of Cordy's patience being tried by the enchanted trio's idiotic "Mmmm..., Angel.." swooning, and sweet innocent lil' Fred being splattered by a demon's blood as he's gunned down in front of her, was written by Tim Minear.



So basically, whatever slack I was willing to cut him was gone after I realized this oversight. Plus, he was the showrunner and loyal deputy of :joss on his beloved "Fruitfly", which (to put it charitably) I Just Didn't Get. So I'm not even going to try with this other new show now. I'd rather have a life instead.

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby WebWarlock » Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:55 pm

Yeah I am with Bob on that, I have no particular beef with Tim Minear, but at the same time I am not going out of my way to catch this.



Also I am perfectly willing to be surprised by it.



I fear with "Tru" and "Joan" out there it is gonna look a little derivative.



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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Rally » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:35 am

Quote:
I fear with "Tru" and "Joan" out there it is gonna look a little derivative.




Actually I would describe the show as Joan meets Tru. Having seen the first 15 minutes of the pilot at SDCC, had been looking forward to this show for quite some time. It did not disapoint, very funny and the entire lesbian sister sub plot hit me by (a very nice) suprise.



Looking forward to more of this show, even though it is in the Friday night Fox death slot.


Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Puff » Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:33 am

Well I switched over after Joan to watch this, it's not as good but it was funny. I loved them stabbing the guy with the pen. The lesbian sister side plot is a nice bonus for watching and I'll be interested to see how this show develops its side characters. Overall it wasn't bad for it's first episode.



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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Gatito Grande » Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:41 pm

Well, I taped and watched it. Part of me really wanted to like it. 24, overly-educated and working at a wage-slave job: God, did it remind me of my 20s! (and 30s and probably 40s, but let's not go there . . . ) Damn: I even drank (sometimes to the drunk-getting point) in a bar that looked exactly like that in Portland OR. :rolleyes



The lesbian sister subplot might have meant more to me had the sister not been portrayed as 1) a smoker and 2) much the same as Tru's sister Meredith on TC (both annoying *and* a lawyer). However, maybe it's just her Coming Out craziness showing. ;)



However, when all is said and done, the show just kind of gave me a headache: it's visual style is way too MTV-ish. I think if tchotchkes started talking to me, I would check myself into the funny farm. I mean, why bother? (At least JofA's "God" implicitly has some larger agenda) I may give it another chance if I happen to be home at 9 on a Friday, but (pending additional intrigue) I won't plan my schedule around it.



GG Had a severe attack of incredulity when her *father* asked Jaye if she'd been having regular orgasms! :eek Out

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby seurat » Sat Mar 13, 2004 3:50 pm

I was pretty impressed with the show, but not completely sold. There were some good lines, I liked pretty well all of the actors and although the lesbian sister introduction made me fearful at first, she seemed ok to me. (Didn't understand the SUV reference at all though. Hopefully someone got that, feel free to explain.) I''ll certainly try it again next week. Really liked having the show in the Falls by the way, since I've been there many times. If ever there was a place where plastic toys started to talk to me, the Falls would seem like more likely then most.

"Learning, playing and loving, and combinations thereof,are a good way to spend a lifetime. Admittedly, a difficult regimen, but nonetheless not beyond attainment.

Start with playing." - Alexei Panshin, The Thurb Revolution



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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Hemiola » Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:55 pm

I got a real kick out of this and I think that this series has real potential.

I very much enjoyed the talking toys and a lot of the lines are very funny. I'm quoting from memory, but I especially liked this exchange--

Jaye: Have you always been a lesbian?

Her Sister (sarcastically): No, I'm just starting now.:lmao



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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Gatito Grande » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:17 pm

Well, I have to say that when the sister told her "EPS"-guy date that she was a lesbian, and he responded "You're just running through all of 'em, aren't you?" (i.e. every excuse to get out of dating him), I really thought he had a point.



GG Not until the scene at the hospital w/ the EPS-guy's ex-wife did I go "Oh, she really IS supposed to be a lesbian!" :eek Out



Have to say (since we're doing the "New Supernatural Female Show" comparison-thang) that I liked Jaye's best friend (the waitron---did they say her name? I recall it being unusual from one of the reviews I read. Like "Mahandra" or something like that) a lot better than Tru's best friend (Airhead Lindsay). Girlfriend seemed to have a head on her shoulders! (and was cute to boot ;) )



Eh, I'll give the show a few more tries---maybe take an Advil before (for the headache-inducing factor). :punch

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby BBOvenGuy » Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:57 pm

The opening was exactly like something you'd see on Dead Like Me - heck, Jaye even sounds a lot like DLM's main character George. The show has a lot of things I didn't like about the early episodes of DLM - but at the same time, it was funny enough for me to keep watching, just like DLM was.



Like some others here, I thought the things that Jaye was being told to do seemed a bit pointless. Since FOX is counting on a Joan of Arcadia audience crossover, comparisons are inevitable, and I think that's where Wonderfalls falls the most flat. On JoA, God gives Joan assignments that uplift her and the people around her. On Wonderfalls, the little animal statues cajole Jaye into helping people get laid. :p Not much of a contest there, in my book anyway.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby maudmac » Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:49 pm

I'm surprised that I watched this, but for some reason I did. I don't have any interest in Joan of Arcadia or Tru Calling, so I can't compare this to those, but I did watch Dead Like Me and this show is soooo much like DLM in tone, I almost quit watching. (Not because I despise DLM - I don't - but just because...been there, done that. How many Georges do we need on TV? I'm happy with just the one, honestly.) But Wonderfalls rectifies at least one of my DLM pet peeves, so I stuck with it and was rewarded by the lesbian sister storyline. That was interesting.



I didn't think the stuff Jaye was being asked to do was pointless at all. It obviously had a big impact on a lot of people's lives. Each seemingly insignificant thing rippled outward. I liked that about it.



Anyway, I'm not sold on it, either, not yet. I might keep watching. I might not. I'm not going out of my way, one way or another.


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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Webberific » Sun Mar 14, 2004 5:30 am

Bob wrote:
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The potential hitch for me is series creator Bryan Fuller
That's interesting. I've never seen "DLM" so I can't offer an opinion on that, but I did like a few episodes he wrote for "ST:Voyager." On the other hand, he also wrote a few scripts I really really didn't like, so...oh well.



There's a Q&A with Bryan Fuller about "Wonderfalls" on afterellen.com:

www.afterellen.com/People...rview.html



He talks about the show in general and also about what's in store for Sharon, the lesbian sister character.



From the Q&A, it appears that season 2 is already in the works.



From the first episode, though, I liked it more than I thought I would. It had the feel of a comedy X-Files episode, and it felt like sort of an X-Files spin-off. Even some of the music felt like it was right out of the Mark Snow catalog.



One thing: the sister climbed into the trailer from the window, right? I wonder if that's a device that's going to be used again (climbing in through the window).

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby xita » Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:11 pm

I'll agree and say it's entirely too similar to both DLM and Joan of Arcadia. I will also say both leads have more going for them then the girl in this does. Given all that though, I still liked it.

I am really not going to complain about having too many shows with young women as leads. And not stupid little shallow girls, but smart, unusual women. As in the case of DLM and wonderfalls, the girls seem just out of high school or college.

I liked it cause it was funny, several scenes had me laughing and that's a plus. It's also a gimmick and yes throw in Tru Calling as well. Can they keep the gimmick up? It really all depends on the strength of the characters, in the case of Joan of Arcadia, I love all the people the gimmick isn't the reason to watch. This show has potential. I love the whole idea of this very closeted sister, I find her parents inteesting. So, I don't know... I'll probably watch it again. Saw the ratings though, not so good.

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Gatito Grande » Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:24 pm

The trailer is a really nice touch, IMO (my best friend spent a good chunk of her twenties in a trailer). But in Niagara? Just imagine the heating bill for that thing! :brr (Plus, there's the well-known fact that trailer parks always seem to "attract" storms and floods :p )



GG Jaye's mom: "Jaye, untie your door!" :lol Out

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby BytrSuite » Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:31 pm

Oh, there were definitely DLM undertones to this. Which I don't mind. I like DLM, so I'll probably give this a chance and see where it goes.



For some reason I'm generally a sucker for sister stuff. I love seeing that relationship portrayed, and all the better if it's a fairly screwed up relationship to begin with.



Thanks for posting that link, Webberific. He seems like a pretty cool guy.



I loved the Lion and the Monkey. Things talking when they shouldn't talk always crack me up. And I loved when they kept repeating the little "smooshed-face" lion at the bar.



and in the car after the EPS guy had his allergic reaction



"Does Mom know?"

"She would unspool!"

"Can I tell her?"

"No!"



Some parts did drag, mostly parts with the EPS guy or her coworker at the store. Though, I'm willing to stick with it and see how it evens out.


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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby sam7777 » Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:18 pm

I like the fact that "Wonderfalls" has a lesbian character but I won't watch because Bryan Fuller's Voyager eps were some of my least favorites and I don't trust Tim Minear to give me a story that I want to see. May give it a shot in syndication of it lasts that long which is doubtful with it's poor premiere ratings.

Critics 'Wonder,' auds don't
Quote:
Critics loved it but viewers didn't exactly flock to "Wonderfalls" on Friday, as the premiere of the Fox drama ran fourth for its hour.
This is about the same as cancelled show Boston Public did in the same time slot.



Mostly trash TV
Quote:
Desperate for something to like this month, many critics have lauded Fox's ambitious drama Wonderfalls, a series featuring a caustic, underemployed slacker who suddenly finds inanimate objects commanding her to interfere in others' lives.



Structured like Joan of Arcadia's evil twin, this show doesn't come close to explaining why all this is happening to a girl who seems way too pretty and too smart for her circumstances. And lacking even one likable character, you gotta ask: Why waste an hour of your life every Friday watching this clueless crew?


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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby tyche » Mon Mar 15, 2004 1:52 pm

I watched this and I have to say that I was not impressed. The SF Chronicle TV critic raved about this show, even saying that the lead actress deserves an Emmy. Over Amber Tamblyn? No, I don't think so. She's certainly a capable actress, but no way does she have the charisma or dramatic acting chops of Ms Tamblyn.

Anyway, I thought the writing was weak. It reminded me of later seasons of Ally McBeal, when the show just wandered off into pointless self-indulgent quirkiness and silly fantasy sequences. 'Wonderfalls' seems so determined to be quirky and eccentric that it just chokes the life out of everything that might be interesting about the show and the concept. And Jaye reminded me of Ally McBeal too, in that she can't go more than 5 minutes without fainting, tripping over or choking on something. (Women are all so helpless, doncha know?) Other than being a lesbian, the sister is an exact copy of Meredith on 'Tru Calling' - they even look similar! The only character I actually liked was Jaye's best friend, but she only had 2 or 3 scenes.

I thought the talking animals weren't as cheesy as they could have been, but they were still cheesy.

My husband said - and I agreed - that the main problem with the pilot ep. was that there was absolutely no emotional hook to it. Why should we give a toss about any of these people? They are written in such a shallow way, and all of them only seem to be there to either look cute, spout comforting platitudes or be funny.

Compare the pilot ep of this show to the pilot ep of 'Joan of Arcadia'. In the first episode of Joan, it was established that, yes, it was God talking to her, and that her missions actually had a point and were doing some good. In the first episode of 'Wonderfalls', Jaye did some good - but the whole issue of why the animals are talking to her in the first place is left hanging. Is it her imagination? Her subconscious? Is it divine intervention? Is she hallucinating because she took drugs in the past? I have no fricking clue, because the writers apparently couldn't be bothered to think up a reason, and it showed. (Maybe they will reveal the reasons behind the phenomenon in future eps, and they were trying to keep it mysterious in the pilot because they hadn't decided yet, or they wanted to keep viewers intrigued enough to tune in again. Yet 'Joan of Arcadia' firmly established the reasons behind the show's main concept in the first episode, and people are still tuning in.)

If I really liked the characters, or I thought that the writing was excellent (which is what kept me watching JoA, even though I was initially iffy about the concept), or I thought the concept was sufficiently well-realised, I would be tuning in again on a regular basis. As it is, I'll only check in occasionally to see if it's going to get any better or worse.

Oh, and here's a review from a critic who didn't like the show. I've read 5 or 6 reviews of it - 2 were raves, and the rest were either lukewarm or negative. So don't buy the 'universal critical acclaim' thing. It ain't true.

Quote:
Fox’s ’Wonderfalls’ not all that amazing

From Contracostatimes.com

Posted on Sat, Mar. 13, 2004

CHUCK BARNEY: AS SEEN ON TV

Fox’s ’Wonderfalls’ not all that amazing

In "Wonderfalls," a fanciful new dramedy from Fox, a bitter souvenir shop employee freaks out when inanimate objects -- wax lions, brass monkeys, stuffed bears -- begin mouthing off and telling her what to do.

All of which has me a bit jittery because, as I type up this review, I’m staring at several TV-related figurines that have convened on my desk over the years. So, will the Anna Nicole bobblehead suddenly spout dietary advice? Will my dancing Homer Simpson instruct me to forgo the joys of newspaper work to embark on a tireless search for the perfect doughnut? Will the Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie cardboard cutouts come to life and force me to join their hedonistic pursuits?

Ah, the possibilities are endless and it’s tempting to believe that, if I slurped up enough Jack Daniels, these silly objects might indeed go vocal on me and I’d have the basis for my own prime-time series. Just call it "Stupid Tchotchke Tricks."

Alas, the publicity material supplied by Fox does not reveal whether "Wonderland" creators Bryan Fuller and Todd Holland were ingesting Jack Daniels or other mind-scrambling substances when they came up with the idea for their show. But come up with it they did, and someone at Fox was kooky enough to go along for the ride, so bully for them.

In the opener, we meet the mystifying, 24-year-old Jaye Tyler (Canadian actress Caroline Dhavernas). She’s an over-educated and undermotivated slacker who lives in a trailer park called the High and Dry and holds down a dead-end job as a clerk in a kitschy Niagara Falls tourist store where she fritters away the hours in an ongoing state of existential apathy.

Cynical and snarky, Jaye is determined to dislike just about everybody, including her dimwitted young boss, her clueless customers, her eccentric family and, most of all, herself. "You’re spiteful in a way that the definition of spiteful doesn’t quite prepare you for," says her only real friend, Mahandra (Tracie Thoms), and you can’t help but agree.

Ah, but there is hope. In true "Joan of Arcadia" style, our mopey heroine begins to hear voices. Only this time they’re emanating from the lips of various toys and objects, which urge her to help others and therefore help herself. The cryptic messages initially make little sense, but they tend to set into motion a chain of madcap events that invariably lead Jaye into the lives of others in need -- even though she has no desire to go there (shades of "Joan" again).

So, are the voices real or just Jaye’s imagination? Should she see a shrink or surrender to destiny? Can this bizarre show possibly hit Nielsen pay dirt or is it a sure goner? Keep your ears open. Perhaps a little voice from out of nowhere will let us know.

Despite my own snarkiness, there is a lot to like about "Wonderfalls." In addition to its luminous, fresh-faced lead actress and adventurous concept, it has a funky visual style, some smart writing and a few doses of snicker-inducing dark humor. In short, it is the kind of risk-taking show upon which TV critics typically plant big wet smooches. And I have to admit that I regarded it as one of the best series of the season when I took a quick peek at the pilot last summer.

But something has happened since to lessen the luster. Fox, as it is so often wont to do, scrapped plans for an early-season release and delayed "Wonderfalls" for months and months. Since then, I’ve seen additional episodes that don’t captivate me nearly as much and, of course, in the meantime we’ve been able to witness the girl-hears-voices concept that somehow comes across as more engaging and makes more sense on the aforementioned "Joan of Arcadia."

And so, as much as I’d like to, I just can’t bring myself to give "Wonderfalls" a rousing, wholehearted endorsement. For me, the main problem leads right back to the main character. For one thing, it’s difficult to believe that someone as smart (she has a Ph.D. from Brown) and as attractive as Jaye would be mired in such a hopeless situation. For another, I consider her cynicism to be more tiresome and off-putting than charming.

Consequently, I just couldn’t bring myself to really care about what happens to the scorn-spewing Jaye and, ultimately, when you don’t care about a character, that’s a deal-breaker. It doesn’t help matters, either, that I found a couple of the episodes after the pilot to be plagued by a rather tedious pace and to be teeming with annoyingly quirky characters.

At a time when prime time is saturated with derivative reality fare and procedural cop dramas, the emergence of such an offbeat, whimsical show is cause for at least a modicum of excitement. Still, I’d be much happier if "Wonderfalls" didn’t fall so short of being completely wondrous.






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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby Gatito Grande » Mon Mar 15, 2004 3:07 pm

Quote:
For one thing, it’s difficult to believe that someone as smart (she has a Ph.D. from Brown) and as attractive as Jaye would be mired in such a hopeless situation.




Huh? I thought it was just a Bachelor's. And if it was a doctorate, lemme tell ya . . . :spin



GG Attractive and hopeless in my own way! :wink Out

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby gspiggott » Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:51 pm

I watched this because I wanted to hear Andy Partridge's music, but they won't play it til next week, and I changed channels halfway through the ep.The lead actress is good, but the writing is so snide and drenched in hip self irony that I could have cared less about any of the characters.Like another unnamed show I ended up thinking how little the writers are able to convey about any of the flaws, joys or workings of everyday life -something that Joan does beautifully even at its weakest.Visually it was snazzy and verbally it was not quite as clever as Little Timmy assumes it is.

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Re: Wonderfalls

Postby TaraLivesOn » Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:05 pm

I'm reserving judgement on the lesbian sister part until I see what they do with her. Right now it seemed like too much sensationalism just to grab attention, and a little stereotypical.



I'm also wondering how they are going to keep up that pace each week without burning out really fast.

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3/19 Episode

Postby BBOvenGuy » Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:50 pm

Wow. I'm truly amazed.



Most shows take years before they become self-indulgently self-reflexive, and most shows based on a quirky premise take years before that premise gets reduced to an annoying nuisance.



Wonderfalls managed to get there with its second episode.



I do believe that's a record of some sort...

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

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Re: 3/19 Episode

Postby emma peel » Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:58 pm

Oohh, goody. Bob, your comments made me think Wonderfalls is on it's way to cancellation city. I can hope, can't I??? :grin

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Re: 3/19 Episode

Postby BBOvenGuy » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:05 am

Oh, and tonight's episode was written by Tim Minear.



As I said over in another thread, if FOX was hoping Wonderfalls would pick up a crossover audience from Joan of Arcadia, they picked the wrong month to do it. JoA was preempted tonight, and will be again next week, by the NCAA Basketball Tournament - an event that ran into the 9:00 hour as well, meaning people weren't nearly as likely to be switching over to FOX.



And if that wasn't enough, tonight the SciFi Channel ran the Season 7 finale of Stargate SG-1, which was also on at the same time as Wonderfalls in the Eastern and Central time zones. It was a great episode, too.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

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Re: 3/19 Episode

Postby Gatito Grande » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:10 am

Watching this made me inevitably compare it to the beginnings of another show (connected to Mr. Minear) about a very witty, disaffected young woman w/ a secret mission. It's just that in that one, not only did 1) her missions have immediate and evident worth (saving human lives from monstrous death), but more important 2) there was a heart in this young woman, not just disaffection and quips. You felt for her circumstances (kicked out of school, alone in new town, mother guilt-tripping her), knowing that bad things had happened to her, while she was trying to do good: not just because she was trying to slide through life (the reason the show was not built around Xander!)



Yup, that's really the difference: underachieving person who cares, versus overachieving (Brown) person who doesn't.



It's too bad: the show has a lot of elements that could make for success (esp. the cast, the look, and the setting: transgressive humor among the wage-slaves is an underdone genre, IMO).



GG It just has No :love Out

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Just generally....

Postby Triscuit7 » Sat Mar 20, 2004 6:42 am

I tuned in for about a 1/3 of episode #1. I love fantasy, I don't have any problem with talking figurines, I generally like quirky and black humor...and I hated it.



I was annoyed by the re-enactment of the legend at the beginning. I wanted to at least maim that "boy" Alec that whatever-her-name is has to work with.



I hated the camera work.



Maybe it's just that I was at that gift shop at Niagra last year - it was lovely and the staff was lovely.



Maybe it's just that I'm overeducated and working retail, albeit as the Store Manager, but the clerk humor was singularly unamusing (unlike that in the movie "Clerks"). I would have fired Alec's sorry a** so fast his head would have flown off, and what's-her-name would have been out the door moments later.



Moreover, what's-her-name is no Joan. Pretty much anyone you ask would agree I'm more sacrilegious and irreligious than I am religious, but there is just no depth in Wonderfalls. In the 20 minutes I watched all I saw was nasty people - whom I had no desire of knowing - being nasty. Joan of Arcadia on the other hand is filled with people I would like to know. It doesn't keep them from being nasty and mean and cruel on occasion - but the nastiness doesn't seem to be a genetic flaw.



Wonderfalls ... I tuned out and I'm not tuning back in.



Ciao, Melissa



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Re: Just generally....

Postby gspiggott » Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:23 am

How much more cutting edge can you get than making fun of an awkward girl with a stuttering problem?Goodness what will they think of next.I'm not surprised that Little Timmy is begging one week in for viewers looks like it's becoming a pattern.

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