Star Trek

[Stroke of Luck]

Hi



I read once that there is another movie. But maybe it´s just a rumour. Who knows.



And Troi and Riker are on another ship but i still wish that they will come back to the Enterprise.



I even heard once that Marina Sirits said she doesn´t want to play Deanna Troi anymore. She wants to do different things



We will see if there ever comes another Movie



Cu

SoL/Natti



Man sieht nur mit dem Herzen gut, das Wesentliche ist für die Augen unsichtbar - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

[The Smee]

yo.



Well, I'm a trekkie and I never hear the end of it from my friends, but at least I can talk to this wondertastic group about it.



The original series is my favourite, purely becuase of the constant music and the action bits (gotta love the two-fisted punch). However DS9 is, and always will be, burning up it's rear. I loved DS9 becuase it's story arc was so amazing! It was actually brilliant, and wound up into an epic finale. Some of the breaking the format episodes were amazing too - the one which places all the actors in (I think it was 40s) America and touches on rascism perfectly. Plus, it was kind of a mind-bender.

The characters were all great too - special mention goes to the rivalry between Odo and Quark.



About a next movie - there is almost no chance of them making a new one, as they cost lots and they just can't afford it. I would, however, pay good money to see a DS9 film.



Voyager had it's wierd spells and by far the worst character ever to be told - Neelix. Man, I hated him. Just faffed around with his cooking pots and annoying the piss out of everybody. Grr.

Enterprise is terrible too. It's just so BAD - I'm not even going to give a reason why; it's so obvious. (Although...Scott Bakula. mmm.)



Finally. Has anybody else here seen that DS9 episode where Jadzia Dax meets up with an old partner of hers - except the worm thing now has a female host? And we're treated to a rather lovely kiss between the two...although, I'm not sure if this woman actually survives the episode. All I remember is something about an explosion and a cool force-field bit. Any takers?

[LokiPromise]

Smee, I think your talking about Lenara Kahn the scientist woman.



I've always thought a mixed cast film would be fun and not just a cameo appearance by a couple of characters. They kinda did this with Generations when the TOS cast were passing on the batten to the TNG cast.

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[Kieli]

Ok, I'll admit it...I'm a right rabid Trek fan from the early ST:OS eps (that studly Capt. JT Kirk gave Bond a bit of a run.. ) to DS9. I adored Jadzia and Ezri and thought they were all the hottest things on wheels. Voyager had its ups and downs but overall I loved it, especially when Janeway got all butch a time or two And nothing beat Jeri Ryan in that skimpy little outfit. The very first ep the featured 7o9 without her Borg costume, my jaw hit the floor. I was drinking beer with some frat boy friends of mine and the one guy, Doc, looks at me sideways and says, "Hey Sister Shoehorn, get yer chin off my floor already. Yer droolin' on my tube." Think I outed myself at that moment. Heh.



I am the Moderator for a DS9 alt-fic board called Willing To Fight. Sam writes damned good Ezri/Kira fic and it's kept me going through the tough W/T times.



Live long and prosper, fellow Trekkies!

Time flies by when the Devil drives.

[urnofosiris]

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Finally. Has anybody else here seen that DS9 episode where Jadzia Dax meets up with an old partner of hers - except the worm thing now has a female host? And we're treated to a rather lovely kiss between the two...although, I'm not sure if this woman actually survives the episode. All I remember is something about an explosion and a cool force-field bit. Any takers?

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That is from the episode Rejoined (E6S4). In it Jadzia meets Lenara Kahn. The Dax symbiont was previously joined with Torias, a male Trill who was married to Linale Kahn, a Trill woman. The symbionts remember their former love and Jadzia and Lenara share a wet sloppy kiss. However Troll society forbids rejoining of couples married in previous host lives. The punishment being that the symbiont will not get a new host and die with the current host. Lenarah doesn't die, but she leaves a clearly heartbroken Dax. Given the fact that they used to be husband and wife and that it's actually the symbionts who were in love. It's a bit hard to view it as a lesbian relationship. However it was a nice same sex kiss and DS9 is the only one of the ST shows that has shown one (two actually including evil skanky bisexual Kira, but I rather forget about that, a bit too cliche). My one beef with ST, the lack of gayness amidst all those countless species, including humans.



I completely agree about Neelix btw. One of the reasons I stopped watching Voyager. Ick.

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Edited by: DrG at: 3/24/03 2:46:40 pm

[justin]

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However Troll society forbids rejoining of couples married in previous host lives. The punishment being that the symbiont will not get a new host and die with the current host. Lenarah doesn't die, but she leaves a clearly heartbroken Dax.

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But I seem to recall that in the first TNG with a Trill in Doctor Crusher falls in love with a Trill who's host is killed. The symbiant is temporarily implanted in Riker and after some hesitation they continue their relationship. Then after the symbiant is given a new host she again wants to carry on the relationship and that rule was never mentioned Of course Trek never was big on continuity.



Oh and while Lenarah doesn't die, Jadzia does

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I am

[urnofosiris]

Yeah, but Jadzia wasn't a lesbian and she dies 2 seasons later, so it isn't related to that kiss, go figure. As for that TNG episode, that is the one that introduced the trills, and just like with the Klingons from the original series and the ones from the movies and the later series there is a big difference in appearance. The trill, or rather the symbiont from TNG was saying that his host was nothing more than a body. In DS9 the trills look very different and the hosts (and unjoined trills) are very much sentient beings. I've read a fic once that explained that bit of incontinuity rather nicely. That aside, I don't think the short love affair between Beverly and that Trill would have prohibited them continuing it with a new host. The reasoning the Trills used for their prohibition was that the symbionts are supposed to move on when they get a new host, to experience new things and grow and learn with every life, not stay put in the same place with the same person so to speak. Anyway, I remember that episode from TNG rather well and I clearly recall being thoroughly disappointed with the Beverly's reaction after Riker's body rejects the symbiont and a new Trill host is found, which happens to be a woman, oh yeah, I could see that one coming a mile away.

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Edited by: DrG at: 3/24/03 3:03:34 pm

[justin]

Yeah, there are a lot of differences between the Trill in TNG and in DS9, so why couldn't have been different races?



To be honest I'm feeling fed up with Trek at the moment since I've just read they're planning on improving their ratings by bringing the Borg into it. Putting aside issues of continuity issues, what exactly is wrong with the idea of coming up with new stories that haven't been done to death already?

I understand, you should be with the person you l-love


I am

[dekalog]

I too am a closet trekkie (it feels so good to get that out)



I was VERY dissappointed at the death of Tasha Yar, but the loveliness of Dr. Crusher soon drew me back in (smart chicks are sooooo hot)



and am taking this opportunity to say how much I love Capt M's current fic - if you haven't read it and love ST you should go now to where to lovely women dare to go where, well where on pens they have gone many times before, but each time its like the first time, so that still counts right?

[urnofosiris]

Agreed Justin, with so many species why didn't they just think of a new name, it would have seen less strange to me to have more than one joined species than to have such a glaringly obvious unexplained continuity error. I gave up on Star Trek Voyager after 2 seasons or so, I really tried, but well, nevermind, it just wasn't my cup of tea. I am not even going to watch Enterprise. It feels like moving backwards rather than forward. I'd watch if they made Caps fic into a series though, hee. Finally a lesbian gay type loving Trek.



Anyway, I like(d) the female characters on every ST I have seen. I can't think of a single one I did not like, including the recurring characters. I wish they would have outnumbered the boys, for some odd reason the regular cast of every ST show had more men than women, why not 50-50 or have the women outnumber the men for a change. Ah well, the women counted double I guess, ass kicking wise.

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[darkmagicwillow]

I like the idea of Enterprise a lot, because it addresses SF ideas that Roddenberry handwaved over in the original series like the translator and transporter. Of course, I've always enjoyed history. The execution hasn't been great, with the exception of the season finale, but I'm not a regular viewer.



Actually, for the starship on a long voyage story, I prefer Farscape to any of the Star Treks. It's got a good cast including a great recurring villain with Scorpius, interesting and different aliens with the Pilot and Rigel as well as in some of the one episode visitors, and some nice twists on technology (the ship is a living organism for one).

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

[urnofosiris]

How old is Farscape, I remember an early TNG episode with a ship that is a living organism and a Betazoid man who was going insane because he could not should people's thoughts and feelings out and inside the ship everything was quiet for him. Not that it matters, I doubt that is a story that hasn't been told in one form or another.

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[darkmagicwillow]

Farscape's not the first story to include a living ship. I'm not sure what the first SF story that wrote about one was, but the idea came up before TNG. Babylon 5 used one before Farscape too, but Farscape is the first TV show that I've seen that really explores the issue and what it means. Moya, the ship, is a real person. We get to see her deal with children, death, and her symbiotic relationship with the Pilot.

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"Omnia mutantur, nihil interit." -- "Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost."

[justin]

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I wish they would have outnumbered the boys, for some odd reason the regular cast of every ST show had more men than women, why not 50-50 or have the women outnumber the men for a change.

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That would be logical since now there are more women than men. Yet on Enterprise they keep boasting about a third of the crew are women. Wow things have really progressed in the next couple.

Also I have doubts about those claims since I've only ever seen four.

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but Farscape is the first TV show that I've seen that really explores the issue and what it means. Moya, the ship, is a real person.

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I remember one episode where the crew might have to sacrifice Moira in order to escape but they didn't want to because, as you said, they saw her as being a real person - even referring to her as a surrogate mother.

It's a shame that farscape got cancelled

I understand, you should be with the person you l-love


I am

[BBOvenGuy]

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I remember an early TNG episode with a ship that is a living organism and a Betazoid man who was going insane because he could not should people's thoughts and feelings out and inside the ship everything was quiet for him.

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That would be "Tin Man," with guest star Harry Groener aka Mayor Richard Wilkins III.



Farscape just ended its run after four seasons. The finale was this past Friday here in the US.

"The first task of anyone, lest you get canceled, is to entertain people, because they ain't there for message." - Dick Wolf

[willow4tara2gether4eva]

^Dennis Bailey, who wrote that episode, is a major poster at several large trek boards.



I am a Voyager fan through and through (Though I will watch S7 of DS9 - I love Ezri! I am actually not a fan of Jadzia. Terry Farrell wasn't that good of an actress if you ask me, so while the character of Jadzia was very well writen and rounded, Terry Farrell did bring her down - but one look into Nicole De Boers big blue eyes... and I am a puddle on the floor).



But Voyager is my favorite show, and Kathryn Janeway is my all time favorite trek character. Kate Mulgrew is a legend! I hope I don't loose any kitten street cred when I say that I am a big J/Cer... (Janeway & Chakotay)... yeah being a straight relationship shipper is so odd.



I am not a fan of J/7 (Janeway and Seven), I just saw them to much as mother and daughter to really get into them like a lot of people. But T/7... (Torres and Seven)... now that is a shipper relationship you can power a small town bye...



But my evil shipper side just loves P/I (Paris and Icheb)



hehehe



But I have always loved Voyager, I know there are many short comings with the show, but I love it so much.

[justin]

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Terry Farrell wasn't that good of an actress if you ask me, so while the character of Jadzia was very well writen and rounded, Terry Farrell did bring her down - but one look into Nicole De Boers big blue eyes... and I am a puddle on the floor).

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I haven't seen any episodes with Nicole De Boer in but I have to add that she's brilliant in the Dead Zone and was great in the Cube.

I understand, you should be with the person you l-love


I am

[dekalog]

justin - I can't believe someone here saw cube - what a wickedly weird movie have you seen the short it was based on? it was even more warped - she was also on Kung-Fu: The Legend Continues. (I had a friend who did stunts on it - the only reason I watched it)

[tyche]

Slightly OT, but I too have seen 'Cube'. It's an excellent film and I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to see a good sci-fi film (and doesn't mind a bit of gore.) As I never saw the final season of DS9 (due to the BBC messing up the scheduling), it's the only role I've ever seen Nicole de Boer in, and I liked her.

And I do like Enterprise, even though I wish there were more women in the regular crew. I actually enjoy Enterprise more than I enjoyed Voyager, although I wish Enterprise wouldn't keep trying to bump up the ratings by having guest appearances from alien races (the Romulans, the Ferengis etc.( who later became fixtures in the Trek universe. For me, one of the good things about the show is that they're still discovering stuff and in some ways they don't really know what they're doing because they're pioneers.

[SySnootles]

Woo Hoo!! A ST thread!!



Hi, my name is Catie, and I'm a Trekkie.



Not ashamed of it at all. I knew of TOS when I was young, but got hooked with TNG. I also loved DS9 at the beginning, but ended up missing many eps and got lost. That's one of the only thing I didn't like about DS9. It was so serialized that if you didn't watch every week, you'd be out in the cold. Not at all like some "other" show we watch. I didn't like Voyager until Kess left and Seven came in. The dynamic within the characters changed so much in a fabulous direction... Just grand. I haven't been able to watch Enterprise. I tried... I really did. I just can't.



I've always liked the strong woman characters (go figure), so Dr. Crusher was my fave on TNG, Kira on DS9, Janeway/Seven (tie) on Voyager. Enterprise? I'm still waiting for one.



The TNG ep with Bev and the Trill was "The Host." I liked that one. It was a Bev-centered ep, and it had some great lines. Among them...



"Chocolate is the tourniquet of the soul."



"Speak softly. Those who cannot hear an angry shout may strain to hear a whipser."



"Perhaps, someday, our ability to love won't be so limited."



That last one came from the female Trill, after Bev rejects her because she was now a chick. What an idiot.



I could go on and on about ST, but my bed beckons. Darn third shift.



Oh, one more thing... Cube in an excellent flick. Quite an idea. Although the cop was really starting to annoy me at the end.

[LokiPromise]

The whole dominion war arc in the last few seasons of DS9 did mean that you had to watch pretty much all of them to be able to keep up, luckily, most of the eps did this well and at certain times got pretty angsty. What DS9 did really well was bring a much darker feel to the trk universe which IMO it sorely needed.

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[Gatito Grande]

Ah, Trek.



Actually, Trek (the whole 'verse) is kind of like an Old Flame to me. I could never really go back to it. In fact, I sometimes see old eps (primarily TNG) and wonder why I was go ga-ga over it back in the day. But TNG will always be my first genre-TV love.



Tasha Yar, oh Tasha Yar. From the beginning I wasn't sure if I wanted to do her or be her (I lean more to the be now), but either way, she was really important to my nascent self-awareness as a non- "het female."



Anyone remember "The Outcast"? That was TNG's first response as to where the all the queers were in the universe. I remember watching it w/ a group of queer/allies Trek-lovers when in seminary, and the mixed-feelings it, uh, "engendered": simultaneously lame (especially the ending!) and moving (the androgyne character's "we're just like you" speech).



I must admit, I never got that much into DS9, even though I pretty much watched every week. "Rejoined" was Mmmm! though. (To go OT for a sec, one reason I was lukewarm towards DS9 was that I was so enmeshed in Babylon 5. Repeat after me: "Ivanova is god!" )



Speaking of lukewarm (if not colder), that was me toward "Voyager" . . . until Seven appeared! Or should I say "Janeway-Seven." Not to pick a fight w/ J/B'lanna or B/7 aficianados, etc. but Janeway and Seven's chemistry was just electric from the beginning---not like any mother-daughter relationship I (would want to) know about! Of course, whatever Voyager showed on the small-screen was amped a hundred-fold in Gina Dartt's faboo fan-fic (still bookmarked on my browser). But the way that show ended just made you want to cry (and not in a good way). Yeesh, I would have preferred to see Janeway w/ Chakotay, than Seven w/ him---what were they thinking?!



Um, Enterprise? I lasted exactly as long as the pilot (of the show, not the ship!).



Oh well, Trek was great while it lasted (about as long as my youth?)



GG Set phasers on "Old Flame." Nostalgia on Warp Factor Five. Make it so! Out

[AlteaThree]

On the Washington State station I get, and then on the Vancouver station I get, they had the ep where AU Ezri is bi, and then the ep where Jadzia is in love with her ex-wife. It was sort of an interesting thing, which kinda crushed Bashir/Dax

Oh, that's one other good thing about DS9...Doctor Bashir

hah, DS9 100, Voyager 21...



I loved Picard/Crusher...do they get together at all in ST:Nemisis???

"Hey, did you go to Hollywood Upstairs Medical college too?"

[BBOvenGuy]

Kate Mulgrew aka Captain Janeway has a new role - playing actress Katharine Hepburn on the New York stage in the new play, "Tea at Five." You can read all about it at CNN. Here's an excerpt:

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Mulgrew, 47, is best known for playing the first woman "Star Trek" captain, the dauntless Capt. Kathryn Janeway, during the seven-season television run of "Star Trek: Voyager."



In fact, the svelte Mulgrew, with her high cheekbones and dusky voice, bears such uncanny resemblance to Hepburn that playwright Matthew Lombardo wrote "Tea at Five" with Mulgrew in mind after seeing the "Star Trek" show.



The one-woman play is currently running at the Promenade Theatre on Manhattan's Upper West Side. The real Hepburn, who is 95, lives a private life in Connecticut and has not seen the show, Mulgrew said.



The play presents Mulgrew with the challenging task of portraying Hepburn at ages 31 and 76, and doing it completely alone on the stage.



"As you can probably imagine, it's strangely kind of lonely. It's the first time I've undertaken anything like this," said Mulgrew.



"Usually one has other partners on stage. There's a sense of, you know, balance, because you can always measure yourself off someone else. So my partner is now the audience. Which, since I have no background as a stand-up comedian, is a very interesting experience."

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Sounds interesting!

"The first task of anyone, lest you get canceled, is to entertain people, because they ain't there for message." - Dick Wolf

[WebWarlock]

Yeah the trouble with the "Mirror, Mirror" episodes of DS9 was they went to that well too many times. I never even saw the Ezri one.



Plus AU Kira was certainly skating dangerously close to "Evil Lesbian" stereotype.



Now there was a book, "Dark Mirror" by Diane Duane, that delt with the Mirror, Mirror AU from TNG viewpoint the was truer to the TOS premise. In it sexuality was used as a weapon by everyone. There was a scene where AU Picard was forced to "service" a supperior officer in order to get command of the I.S.S. Enterprise. So it was handled a bit better.



Frankly I avoid the Trek books unless they were written by Peter David.



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"If this is all the gods can do, I'm over to the Darkside so fast." - Tom Servo Mystery Science Theater 3000, Episode 903 "Pumaman".

[eekdgeek]

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The very first ep the featured 7o9 without her Borg costume, my jaw hit the floor.

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Good to know I'm not the only one who felt that way. Yup, Jeri Ryan made me watch VGR and got me hooked every single episode... except the fact that Seven of Nine ended up w/ Chakotay? WTF?



What were they thinking?That was totally unacceptable!!! I'd rather she chose the Doc - to think they even had a child or Borg together... (remember ONE?) Just loved that ep. Or maybe if Seven didn't hook up w/ anyone at all would have sufficed but nooooooo, they had to make Seven all love-y dove-y w/ Chakotay... again w/ the



I also loved B'Elanna. The way her story developed and even the fact that she hated her Klingon heritage resulted in her inner conflict about how she viewed herself.



I was hooked after Seven came on board and even decided to check out the VGR eps I've missed and watched DS9 too. I did watch TNG before and I remember very much the episode "The Royale" (anyone remember that ep?) which I found it interesting to write in my diary/journal after the ep was aired, I know fans hate that ep but I loved it.



I cried when DS9 ended (final ep.) I guess not all ST fans were into it coz of the Dominion war and everything but I was. I was also rooting for Odo and Kira esp. that scene when Kira finally found out of Odo's feelings for her from the future Odo. *sigh* (wait, or was it an "alternate" Odo, coz I remember at the end, that world didn't exist at all.) Oh, yes on "The Visitor" as being one of my favourite episodes too... again w/ the waterworks. Tony Todd's performance (who played the older Jake) was so convincing and just so darn excellent!



PS. Just gotta love Ezri Dax too, she's a cutie. Nicole deBoer was perfect for the role and I guess it paved the way for her role in Dead Zone.



Btw, some fans (including me, heh.heh) are rooting for a Hoshi and T'pol hook-up. (which remains to be seen since we haven't seen a real gay Star Trek character... yet) Is it just me or T'pol is looking lovelier than ever? Her hair looks different which I have noticed after watching the two latest eps.

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...only if i could, i would... but i can't...

[CaptMurdock]

I started watching reruns of TOS in the early seventies and I've never looked back. I've endured some sucky movies and some cringeworthy episodes, but all in all, I still love Trek, in all its incarnations. Mind you, my buddies and I, who created our roleplaying 23-century characters/situation/milieu in the interregnum between the end of TOS and the rise of TNG, have a "deconstructionist" view of Trek as a whole.



My thanks to those who have left praise for my Trek uberfic on this thread.



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"Honey, in case you didn't hear me the first six thousand times: no more teleportation spells."

[kukalaka]

I just was at a con this weekend and figured that this was the place to put my Marina-Sirtis- in. I'm not much of a Troi fan, but Marina is absolutely awesome, not to forget funny. And just great the way she treats her fans.



That being said, someone (Ethan Philips, aka Neelix, I think) told us the next movie was going to be calles "Star Trek - The cheap actors"



And don't get me started on Nicole deBoer, she is such a cutie. A male friend of mine I watch "Dead Zone" with (what a great series) have difficulties being serious about it whenever she doesn't get much screentime. We're always like "Yeah, yeah, get him falling down that rock already... and than show Nici worrying about him"

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To look life in the face, always to look life in the face, and to know it for what it is, to love it for what it is.

[mollyig]

Kate Mulgrew has always reminded me of Katharine Hepburn, which is probably one of the reasons I liked her so much in Voyager. Oh, and the fact that she's a much better captain than any of the others!

Love is a place I dream of. A face that never leaves my mind
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[LokiPromise]

Mulgrew does have the most marvelous voice and great acting ability to boot.

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