Law & Order

[Warduke]

I got Munch.

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[xita]

wooo hooo, I am Alex!!



And new SVU tonight, I can't wait!

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"Hard work often pays off after time but laziness always pays off now!"

[tyche]

I thought last night's ep was okay, though it did seem that they kept leaping from one media scare story to another when they were ticking off the list of possible suspects. (Evil paedophile! No, evil nanny! No, evil working mother!)

Next week looks interesting, though. Poor Olivia, getting kidnapped - she's really not having a good time this season.

[scifiacid]

Feh, not all that impressed with last nights episode. I knew as soon as the mother arrived at the hospital that it was her. And I just find Stabler to be my least favorite of everyone on that show. So having him be front and center for the entire show… I was bored to tell the truth. Next week… Olivia… a crazed gun man… sweeet.

[xita]

Yeah, it was not great. On the other hand, i've been watching so many reruns they all kind of blend together. I get joy from the little things. They are almost all enjoyable. It wasn't great but it had me there for the hour.



Oh, adrienne, that episode was postponed from earlier in the year.

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"Hard work often pays off after time but laziness always pays off now!"

[Munchkin]

As an avid Oz viewer, it's always dissappointing to see Christopher Meloni play such a "good" character like Stabler given how used I am to seeing him so as the manipulative, lying, sociopathic Chris Keller. Just as the first season SVU was a bummer to see Dean Winters neutered from his Oz role as the shamelessly self-serving Ryan O'Riley to the naive idiot Det. Brian Cassidy, who was at least a better partner to Munch until that awful Jeffries dragged him down before making way for Ice-T, which was actually an improvement!



Having said that, I hardly ever watch the parent L&O show itself beyond the guest credits, unless it lists "and J.K. Simmons as Dr. Emil Skoda". For not only is he always a hoot to watch in the 2-5 minutes of screen time he gets, but he was funny as hell as Oz's Resident Face of Pure Evil: Vern Schillinger. That said, it's kinda a letdown that B.D. Wong (also from Oz, as Father Mukada) is now a regular in SVU, because now they can't have Skoda there anymore, and thus add some hilarity by showing Keller/Schillinger as improbable "Good Guys" like Stabler/Skoda.



Plus, Vincent D'Onofrio's scenery-chewing is even more maddening on L&O: CI with the nondescript substitute-gal filling in for Kathryn Erbe, who's my only reason for even watching the show just cause I like her and she's pretty. And she played that nutso Shirley Bellinger on Oz, so once again there's that coolness to appreciate. But that's just me.

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Dave C.

Edited by: Munchkin at: 11/27/03 11:25 am

[Buffy Willow H]

I really love Law and order epecially the court scenes Its so kewl watching an interigation.



Well being a wannabe barrister I find it interesting. Law In my opinion is really facinating

Buffy Willow H

[BytrSuite]

SVU marathon on USA.



Woo, this starts early (7 am for me) so set the VCRs tonight.



US/Eastern Time



8am Wrath

9am Stolen

10am Ridicule

11am Care

12pm Redemption

1pm Monogamy



Repeating from the first block



2pm Ridicule

3pm Care

4pm Redemption

5pm Stolen

6pm Wrath







Another block of episodes



7pm Execution

8pm Prodigy

9pm Protection

10pm Surveillance

11pm Popular



the second block starts repeating



12am Execution

1am Prodigy

2am Protection

3am Surveillance

4am Popular

5am Monogamy



Kind of a choppy weird schedule but hey, it's all good.



www.usanetwork.com/cgi-bi...al+Victims



(thanks to anomalys at twop for breaking the huge

USA schedule down into more bite-sized chunks.)

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"...the sharks got smarter."

Edited by: BytrSuite at: 12/30/03 9:44 pm

[Warduke]

My tapes are ready to go

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[emma peel]

I was wondering if anyone knows how the ratings for L&O on TNT and L&O:SVU on USA are doing? I still prefer SVU, but when it's not on, it's nice to see a Mothership ep with Angie Harmon.

I still miss Stephanie March soooo much!!!!! There's a new ep of SVU on tonight, and I'll try not to throw anything at the tv when Casey is on screen. I can't stand her. She inspires so much snarkage in me.

Also, anyone catch the recent ep of CI about the murder of the hotel heiress?? The ep ended with the perp murdering her gay dad with a knife, just a second or two before Goren realized she was going to do it and he couldn't stop it. He was so upset. I can't stand his character.

Oh, well. Enough of this for now.

Edited to add that I watched the new ep tonight. Yuck.I thiought much of it was pathetically bad and unintentionally funny. Casey was a dufus again, IMO.

Edited by: emma peel at: 1/7/04 12:16 am

[xita]

Casey is hot, that's it. All I have to say...

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"Hard work often pays off after time but laziness always pays off now!"

[BytrSuite]

Casey is okay, it's just too bad that they can't seem to write her as being a competent lawyer. She usually ends up bugging the hell out of me.

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[emma peel]

Casey bugs the hell out of me. The woman shouldn't be allowed to lurch around in heels like she does.

Of course the fact that she just followed Stephanie March ( ) is not helping Diane (NotAlex) Neal, IMO.

I think the writing this season is waaaay off. The only thing I enjoyed on tonight's ep of SVU was Dixie Carter and the PsychoBitch mom's over the top acting. She was one total nutcase.

I still want Alex back, dammit!

[xita]

Yes poor little lesbian Casey can't walk in heels That adds to her charm. And you can have alex, in reruns



I am more than happy to have Casey to look at

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"Hard work often pays off after time but laziness always pays off now!"

[Warduke]

Casey...tall sexy redhead...what's not to love?

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[Jennpurr]

Xita,



Is she really a lesbian or are you just picking on her? Were you talking about the Actress or the character?



Jen

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[emma peel]

Casey, how do I so not love me, let me count the ways.

Yikes.

Alex=smart, intelligent,gorgeous, HoYay with Liv.

Casey=lurcher,pale,very bad wardrobe and makeup handlers,has yet to actually win a case in the courtroom since she's been on.

Anyhoo, xita and Warduke, I guess I'll have to just respectfully disagree with ya'll regarding Casey. I don't want to insert foot into my mouth and say anything that might get me .

Did I mention that I don't like Casey? Tee hee.

[BBOvenGuy]

Yahoo!News is reporting that Jerry Orbach will leave the original Law & Order after this season, possibly for a role in the new spinoff, Law & Order: Trial by Jury.



Given that L&O rarely changes more than one character at a time, perhaps this means that Elisabeth Röhm will get another year with the show. If she does, it would be the first time that an Assistant DA character was on the show for longer than three years.



Time will tell...

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 3/26/04 8:21 pm

[Munchkin]

Given how some TV critics and fans were extremely vocal for their dislike of Elisabeth Rohm when she first arrived (and a good while afterwards), it would be extremely satisfying if she did stay on another season on L&O, as I've never had any serious problem with her performance (in fact, I consider Carey Lowell to be the worst of the female A.D.A.'s for being so abysmally wooden).



Plus, she'd also outlast the run of that other show that she used to be on, for which her timely departure was always another plus for her in my book.

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Dave C.

[tyche]

Let's hope Elisabeth Rohm does stick with the show. I've always really liked her, even before she was in 'Angel'...

Suddenly, playing with yourself is a scholarly pursuit. - Lucille, Arrested Development

[maudmac]

I like Jerry Orbach plenty, and I am quite fond of L&O and SVU (I tolerate CI), but I don't know if I really want another Law and Order. How many are they going to make? Eventually we'll need a whole network just for them.



About Elisabeth Rohm, when she showed up, that was the first time I seriously considered stopping watching the show. I hated her with a passion. Something has improved - her acting or the writing - and I'm over my hate and I like her now. But that first season...man, that was bad. (For me.)



I think I'll give TBJ a spin and if I like it enough, I'll drop The D'Onofrio Show.

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fast feet and saturday night leave you nowhere to stand   /   but nobody here is leaving

[BBOvenGuy]

It seems like there's always an adjustment period after a cast change, especially when the person who left is well-liked. Just look at what people are saying about Casey on SVU these days, as she tries to replace Alex. Elisabeth Röhm was replacing the very popular Angie Harmon, so I wasn't surprised that she drew some negative reactions.



Although I must admit, she was also written too much as a perky cheerleader-type at first, too. I remember that because of how different Serena was from Kate Lockley. They've definitely darkened Serena up since then.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 3/27/04 9:54 pm

[Sheridan]

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Eventually we'll need a whole network just for them.

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maudmac, I think you've just hit on their long term plan, though from my stint in the US I thought they already had that channel in the shape of TNT...

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[tyche]

It seems like 'Criminal Intent' is the least popular of all the Law & Order shows on this board (not sure if the ratings bear this out.) I've only ever tried to watch it once, and although I really like Vincent D'Onofrio as an actor, his character is such a smug, annoying, know-it-all that it really put me off tuning in again. It also seems that, unlike the other L&O shows which have ensemble casts, D'Onofrio's character is really the lead in that show. If he was a supporting character, it wouldn't bother me too much, but as the lead .. ack, no. I like the actress who plays D'Onofrio's partner, though, and I've been a fan of Courtney B. Vance ever since seeing him in 'The Last Supper', so if they got rid of Vincent I would probably watch the show on a regular basis.

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[maudmac]

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I thought they already had that channel in the shape of TNT

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Sheridan, I don't know when you were in the States, but I think there's some L&O or another on about three or four different networks now.

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It also seems that, unlike the other L&O shows which have ensemble casts, D'Onofrio's character is really the lead in that show.

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tyche, that's exactly what I think is wrong with CI. It deviates in two ways from what makes the other two work so well. One way - focusing on the crime itself, the suspects, and the investigation, and forgoing the trial part - works just fine, I think. But the other way - giving only one detective such tremendous brilliance that he is able to solve crimes almost as if by magic - doesn't work.



Perhaps they thought D'Onofrio was a compelling enough actor (he is very good) and/or that his character was compelling enough that people would like to watch forty minutes of him doing that jerky ranting thing he does. If they evened things out, like you said, and made it as much an ensemble as the other ones are, I think the show would work.



I don't have any idea how the ratings are, but CI has had good enough ratings to be renewed, at least. I don't know anyone who likes it, though. It seems to be every Law and Order fan's least favorite version.

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dreams of the drifters die hard, y'all   /   bodies dance through the dark to submission
fast feet and saturday night leave you nowhere to stand   /   but nobody here is leaving

[BytrSuite]

From TV Guide.com

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Law & Order: SVU's Mariska Hargitay — aka TV's most underrated actress — will play a cynical lawyer who defends an 18-year-old Amish woman accused of murder in the Lifetime movie Plain Truth.

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Hee, two of my favorite things, Mariska and crappy Lifetime movies. I can't wait.



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[mollyig]

My girl and I watch the various Law and Orders and both agree that SVU is the best. I have to admit that I started watching it initially after seeing an ad for it that featured Det Olivia Benson. I talked about Mariska Hargitay so much that my gf got curious and now she's hooked too. A new series just started here in Ireland. It's the one where Cabot goes into Witness Protection, which I had read about, actually in some fanfic. I've seen mixed reports on the new ADA, so know I'll miss Cabot.

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[vix84]

I just watched an episode of L&O, called 'Married with children'. It aired in the US in Nov and is about lesbian adoption in the states.



Have others seen this? At one stage it was very lesbian-cliche; one lesbian dead, the other the murderer. But with the gay lawyer defending the other 'mommy' by claiming emotional trauma, as a result of no parental rights, and going back to the victim's hard time coming out, I wasn't sure what to think. Anyone?

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[xita]

vix, I didn't see that episode but I am not surprised. L&O is full of episodes that don't show gay people in the best light. I would be ok with that if one of their main characters was gay. Oh come out of the closet already Casey!



Speaking of Casey, she looked so good last night and there was so much of her . I was so happy and tickled pink over it

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"Trust is a risk masquerading as a promise."

[BBOvenGuy]

The various L&O shows have had gay people who were good guys and gay people who were bad guys. Yes, they've hit us with the cliche a time or two, but they've also done episodes that got them branded as mouthpieces for the "homosexual agenda." For the most part, L&O refuses to play favorites. Characters of any particular type are capable of being good or bad, just like in real life.



Last night's episode was okay, but I thought Tom Skerritt's character was a little over the top. I mean, the first time we see him he tells Casey to wear a skirt, and the second time we see him he's beating up on the poor little girl. It's like we were being told to hate him instead of being shown why he was wrong. I thought Marlo Thomas's character changed her tune on the judge a little too quickly, too, but I wrote that off as "TV shorthand."



By the way, the latest rumblings about cast changes on the original L&O continue to have Jerry Orbach going to the next spinoff, Trial By Jury. Dennis Farina is the name being bounced around as his replacement. Still no word about whether or not Elisabeth Rohm is being replaced, despite the fact that she's reached the ADA's traditional three-year term limit.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child