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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:31 pm

Well, this show just keeps getting better and better. God, I love Jerri. She’s so cool now, and she’s completely right to let them underestimate her. But I am so disappointed in Colby, mainly because I think his head has gotten too big since Survivor Australia. This has caused him to make several fundamental errors, including pissing Shii Ann off for no reason and not being able to see that Jerri is a much more serious contender this time around. Also, he was unable to recognize that he was just being used as a pawn to get rid of Richard a couple weeks ago. (The good players always either let you believe it was your idea or change their plans to make it appear like you’re the one in control.)



Anyway, the players that are going to survive this game are going to be the ones who are the most flexible and are able to play a different strategy than their previous ones, since basically everybody knows how everybody else played the first time around, except for Rupert. Case in point, Lex. In Survivor Africa, he stayed true to his original Boran Boys’ Club alliance with Ethan and Big Tom. This time around, he’s already mixing it up. The only way I can see this strategy working for him, though, is if they vote Ethan out before the merge, otherwise, Lex’s word will be no good to the Chapera tribe, once Ethan starts talking. And he will if he wants to save himself.



I don’t know, maudmac, I’m still not convinced that Kathy had nothing to do with Jerri approaching Lex last week. Just because Shii Ann may be in the dark doesn’t necessarily mean that Kathy is. However, Jerri is a much more skilled player than I initially gave her credit for, so it’s always possible.



We were also finally able to see the side of Rupert that I really admire. The way he encouraged his tribemates and told them that no matter what happens, to stay calm and focused. I honestly believe this is the main reason Chapera was able to win the immunity/luxury challenge, and make a comeback even though they were trailing throughout most of the challenge. Rupert’s a natural born leader even though he’s mostly hiding that side of himself to play the game.



Boston Rob is certainly becoming a phenomenon in the challenges. That could come back to bite him in the butt.



Did anyone else notice that it looked like Kathy was crying after the challenge? Maybe she was just spent, and there were high stakes riding on this challenge. Then again, maybe it was strategy on her part to make Chapera believe that she felt vulnerable to being voted out, and thus a good candidate to win over for their side once the merge takes place. With Kathy you never know. Of course once Chapera chose her to join them for the barbecue on the yacht, she was all smiles, regardless of what she later claimed.



The “Krazy Dreamer Humor Award” this week goes to Boston Rob when he said he was on a state championship golf team in high school, and then immediately lost his balance and slipped as he was swinging his golf club, and then again when he accidentally flung the club into the water. Is this the same guy who just a couple weeks ago showed such balance and grace on the flag/beam challenge? Must have been the alcohol in his system.



I’m not sure what game Kathy was playing when she was talking to the women of Chapera, but it should definitely prove interesting to see what’s going to happen in future episodes. I believe this conversation will prove pivotal later, though I’m not sure how. I love how Big Tom thinks she’s falling into some sort of Chapera trap. If Kathy can continue to keep everyone snowed the way it appears she has them now, she has a great chance of making it to the finals. Again, I’m still a little worried about Shii Ann, though. Hopefully, Kathy has picked up on this fact and will deal with it accordingly. We’ll see. I did really like how Shii Ann said that Kathy is her main ally, though.



I’m really starting to enjoy watching Lex this time around. He may be the new Rob C. Or not. I can’t wait to see how far his new strategy will take him. I have to admit I didn’t like him too much in Africa, but I think that may have had a lot to do with the fact that he jumped to conclusions and falsely accused Kelly of voting against him without knowing all the facts, as well as the fact that he was in an alliance with Big Tom, whom I really couldn’t stand and prayed every week that he’d be booted. But anyway, he, Shii Ann, and Jerri completely pulled the wool over Colby’s eyes. One thing I find really fascinating is that I don’t think it would have made any difference whether or not Kathy would have been present for tribal council; the outcome would have been the same. All the puzzle pieces are starting to fall into place.



I think it’s significant to note that every player who has been voted out thus far has been from the original Season 1: Borneo or Season 2: The Australian Outback versions of the Survivor game. (Jenna M. was from Season 6: The Amazon, but she pulled herself from the game and was not voted out.)



Oh, and by the way, Tiggrscorpio, it was Season 5: Thailand when the tribes came together, but didn’t actually merge. This is what cost Shii Ann the game that time, because she was trying to make an alliance with the opposing tribe.



Alrighty then, and with that, we close the chapter on the cowboy with great teeth from Texas, but have no fear, cheese lovers, um, excuse me, I mean Colby fans, Colby will continue to live on in those Quattro Razor commercials.



"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:00 pm

Just a quick reminder, Survivor fans, Survivor airs tonight instead of tomorrow night.

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:29 pm

I realize this is my third post in a row, and I apologize, but there’s not much I can do about it since these are three different subjects, so I can’t just edit any of them.



That being said, another great episode was shown this week. Strategy, strategy, strategy. It’s all about strategy, and from all angles, it seems to me that Kathy has the best strategy of all. I loved the beginning of the episode where Kathy is talking to herself as she’s making the fire, almost mentally walking herself through what needs to be said and done once the others return to camp. And I think she made a really wise decision in deflecting the questions concerning her time with the Chapera tribe on the yacht, not only to hide the fact that she got along so well with them, but also because it could easily have stirred up resentment towards her from the others. Talking about what went down at tribal council was clearly a smart choice.



When they were showing the different reactions to Colby getting voted out, I laughed the minute I saw Jerri’s face, before she even started laughing, but once she did, I laughed even harder. Regardless of what others may think of him, I still like Colby, but I’m also glad that Jerri was able to pay him back for how he had betrayed her in Australia.



I was so excited when I saw the rainbow as Kathy was sailing over to the other camp, and then somebody commented that it was a good omen. I thought, “Yay! Does this mean we’re going to have an all-gay Survivor?” Well, I can dream, can’t I?



I did not like Boston Rob making fun of Rupert. I didn’t like it one bit. But what do you expect from this guy? And is it just me, or is Boston Rob starting to look more and more like Satan? Especially with that fishing spear that looks almost like a trident when he’s holding it.



The fact that they spent so much time showing Boston Rob and Amber getting closer to each other tells me that the two are going to be separated soon.



I was really rooting for Jerri in the immunity challenge and thought she actually might pull it off, but alas things didn’t quite work out that way. Oh, well, I can’t say I’m sorry to see Ethan go, although I do respect how hard he fought to stay.



I also want to say I love seeing Jerri’s vulnerable side. It makes her very endearing for some reason. She was on the verge of tears so many times in this episode. And the fact that so many others hate her, makes her the underdog to root for. But I’m not so sure about Lex’s move to tell Ethan beforehand that he was going to be voted out. On the one hand, I completely understand that they are good friends outside the game, which is one of the things that makes this Survivor unique, but on the other hand, it gave Ethan the opportunity to try to save himself, and possibly oust Lex. Of course, due to last week’s vote, it should have been obvious to Ethan anyway that he was on the chopping block since the other tribe members blind-sided Colby. That’s why it made sense for him to approach Kathy rather than anyone else, because Ethan had no way of knowing how much Kathy approved of this move and, in fact, said so in one of her private interviews. I’m a little disappointed, though, that Kathy seems to be underestimating Jerri. I think Jerri is purposely not pulling her weight at camp as part of a strategic move designed to cause others to misjudge her abilities.



I also want to correct an error I made last week when I stated that only people from Seasons One and Two had previously been voted out. I can’t believe I forgot my boy, Rob C, who was from Season Six: The Amazon. :blush So please feel free to make whatever comments you’d like. I like to pride myself on my accuracy, but I am only human after all.



"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby maudmac » Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:26 pm

Hey, no apologies necessary for the three posts.



Since it's obvious that Kathy's in control of Mogo Mogo, I'm interested to see what'll happen when/if Boston Rob is still around for the merge. He's so puffed up full of the belief that he's running the Chapera show, I'm anxious to see him get knocked down a peg or two. He's not just confident, he's cocky and it bugs me. Plus, yeah, don't make fun of Rupert. That's just wrong. :angry



Hee, Jerri was soooo happy to last longer than Colby. I got a chuckle out of that, too.



Boston Rob and Amber were kind of grossing me out. I didn't want the sound effects, really. It does make me feel a little conflicted about him, though, because his feelings seem genuine. Eh, nothing's gonna make me like him, so I don't care. But I think you're right, from an editing standpoint, it makes sense to build them up a little just before tearing them apart.



Aw, man, it broke my heart when Jerri missed with that last arrow. I really felt for her. And then when she was talking to Lex, she was so relieved that it wasn't going to be her going home. It's definitely good to see her vulnerable side, which she kept hidden in Australia.



I agree about Lex talking to Ethan. I can see that he'd feel it was the right thing to do for a friend, and it probably was, but it wasn't a smart move, strategy-wise. At least with enough time left in the day for Ethan to try to subvert it.



Mogo Mogo's interesting now, with Lex apparently between Jerri and Kathy/Shii Ann. If they don't merge yet and Mogo Mogo has to go to another TC...



I'm anxious for a merge. It's time to mix it up and I can't wait to watch the dynamics when they're all together. But...hmm...if Boston Rob and Amber are about to get separated, that would suggest they won't be merging, right? At least not a typical merge. Since Mogo Mogo has 4 members and Chapera has 6, you think they might pull a Chapera member to go to Mogo Mogo? Or pool all ten of them together and then randomely reformulate two new tribes? That would be interesting. I do like it when they fuck up people's alliances. :lol Keeps it interesting, for the players and the audience.


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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:07 pm

Quote:
“if Boston Rob and Amber are about to get separated, that would suggest they won't be merging, right?… you think they might pull a Chapera member to go to Mogo Mogo? Or pool all ten of them together and then randomely reformulate two new tribes?”




I’m thinking they’re probably going to reform two new tribes randomly. That’s what the previews for next week suggest to me. If that’s the case then I wonder when they are going to merge. This is Survivor: All-Stars so it’s important to keep not only the Survivors guessing, but the audience as well. Who knows? They may even pull another stunt like bringing back the outcasts as they did in the Pearl Islands. This would most likely throw everyone off, because it would be totally unexpected and unheard of, at least for everyone except Rupert.



"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:58 pm

A closer look at the first 21 days of Survivor.



There isn’t really too much to say since this was mostly just a recap episode, but there was some really great previously unseen footage that made this episode both educational as well as comical.



The educational information for me is the fact that Boston Rob has an alliance with Tom, as well as everyone else in Chapera, it seems, except Alicia. This would make me nervous knowing that if Chapera lost immunity, the chances would be great that Alicia would be gone, but then the previews from last week showing some big twist about to take place helped me to breathe a sigh of relief. Of course Boston Rob seems to feel threatened by Rupert as well, and it’s probably more likely that he would get voted out than Alicia. In any case I would hate to see either of them leave before Big Tom, though. There’s almost no way to really predict what’s going to happen next week. These are the episodes I live for.



Ok and the comical and probably the best segment of this whole episode was Chapera imitating the tribe members of Saboga. I was practically rolling on the floor in stitches.

Rob C, wearing Alicia’s denim shirt, did an excellent job of imitating Jeff Probst. It was also nice to see him again. Boston Rob as Ethan, well, let’s just say he should have been imitating Jenna Lewis instead, but he was mildly amusing. Big Tom as Rupert was just insulting. I know someday I’ll find something good to say about Big Tom, but not today. I will say this, if he makes it to the final four again, I’m going to vomit. Sue as both Rudy and Jenna L, ugh, um… NO! Amber as Tina was hilarious, although she reminded me less of Tina, and more of Miss Scarlet O’Hara, either way, I couldn’t stop laughing. And Alicia as Jerri was just hot! :drool . Well, to be fair, Alicia’s just hot in general.



Some things were just painful to watch again like Rupert’s building fiasco, although Jerri’s comment, “This is Rupert gone mad,” was just as humorous this time around as the first time I heard it.



I also just want to note in hindsight that when Saboga lost the immunity challenge on Day 13 and Mogo Mogo had first pick of its tribe members, Colby was so set on choosing Ethan first just so they could vote him out. I find it rather ironic that in the end, Ethan ended up being Colby’s only true ally.



It was interesting to see that Richard maintained his cocky attitude even after he had lost. He acted like it was just some big fluke that he had been voted out, because there’s no way the others could have outsmarted him. Get over yourself already, Richard!



The whole coffee scene at Mogo Mogo was very entertaining. Colby’s cartwheel was funny, and Kathy’s eyes bugging open. It’s just too bad it didn’t help them in the immunity challenge. But now, thanks to Kathy, I’m thinking maybe I just need a little caffeine in my system, and my vision will also clear up. If Kathy got rid of her glasses, then so can I! I have seen the light! Kathy’s my hero! Oops! I just knocked my keyboard on the floor. :blush On second thought, maybe I’ve had a little too much caffeine now.



Alright, so, what is up with Jenna? “Boston Rob and Amber and I are rolling around as friends.” I think Jenna finally made me laugh. But anyway the last thing Boston Rob needs is his ego to be boosted even more. I say Jenna and Amber should get rid of Rob and go at themselves. Well, it’s always nice to fantasize anyway. And Amber trying to act like she’s not jealous and saying that she has Boston Rob wrapped around her little finger, I definitely smell some foreshadowing.



Well, that pretty much wraps up my comments concerning this week’s episode. I’d just like to leave you with this quote of the week from Kathy when describing Colby’s “little problem,” “A true Texan at heart never complains.”

Make of it what you will.



"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby maudmac » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:23 pm

Jerri! Nooooooo! :cry



Dammit. She will be missed.



I also think that wasn't a smart move. Because it should have been obvious to Lex, Kathy, and Shii Ann that it's Rob who has Amber's loyalty. And, whatever Rob says, it's Amber who has his. They knew that Rob and Amber were a thing.



Beyond that, once the merge occurs, Rob is likely to go very soon, so it's likely that, upon closer inspection, any kind of arrangements with him would not necessarily be of as much benefit to any given player as it might seem.



So that was a gamble I suspect will not pay off for the new Chapera.



Speaking of new tribes, it was strange but ultimately boring to see them end up in mostly the same configuration as before. :yawn I was hoping that would shake things up more than it seemed to. Then again, any tiny alteration in the peoplescape can have a nice dramatic ripple effect. I'll wait and see.



Every time Rob said how much it hurt to be away from Amber, I felt my loathing for him dissipating a little bit more. It's like, oh, wow, there is some heart and soul in there after all. I felt for him, I really felt for him. Bleh.



I'm going to miss Jerri a lot. She went out with a great attitude, though, and it looks like she genuinely appreciated what being on Survivor had brought her. Good for her.


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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby NeitherHereNorThere » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:56 pm

Well. Very interesting episode.





I felt really bad for Rob...I didn't like him before, still don't in fact, but he seemed so genuinely sad to be separated from Amber, I just felt terrible for him.



I surprised myself with being disappointed to see Jerri go...I've never liked her before, and though she was really good about it, the fact that she was crying made it almost hard to watch.



Still, I'm just glad Amber made it. I'd love to see her win this game...

"Come into my parlor," Said the spider to the fly...

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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat Apr 03, 2004 12:44 pm

This was an episode full of disappointments, but there were some redeeming qualities too like how hilarious it was when Mogo Mogo passed around their can of green paint and acted like they didn’t quite know what to do with it, like it might bite them or something. Each one in turn opening the can, looking at the paint inside, then closing it, and passing it on to the next person as if it were sacred or something. “Ooh, ahh!” I couldn’t stop laughing. Lex even smelled it. Maybe he wanted to use it for aftershave? I don’t know.



The whole shuffling tribes thing where everyone picked new buffs but instead stayed with their old tribemates just on opposite teams, except for Amber, just seems incredibly suspect to me. There is no way that was not set up. I mean what are the odds? And it was a very convenient way to break up the love-fest between Rob and Amber. Of course that was one good thing that came out of it, but still, I’m a little disappointed in the originality and creativity of the producers.



After they switched tribes, Boston Rob just looked downtrodden. And I think what surprised me most in this episode is how hard it appears he has fallen for Amber. In a lot of ways, I think this is good, because I’m hoping that it will cause him to lose focus on the game. And in some respects he already has. For example, the way he tried bargaining with Lex about keeping Amber around. He’s showing too many of his cards. Not that it wasn’t very obvious before that Rob and Amber are a couple, but now he’s showing how much he values her in the game, even to the point where he was considering throwing the immunity challenge just so Amber would not be voted out on the new Chapera tribe. If the others recognize this, they are going to realize that his loyalty to them is second to his loyalty to Amber, and that he needs to go. So even though Rob appears to be the strongest player right now, I smell his downfall soon, fast, and hard. I expect him to start messing up within the next few weeks if he doesn’t keep his focus. He can always hook up with Amber once the game is over if that’s what they both want, but right now, he should be concentrating on getting himself as far as he can in the game, regardless of anyone else. And it is just a game, although understandably since they are living it 24/7, it’s easy to see how they might get it confused with real life, but that’s not going to help win the game. When Rob’s “girlfriend” Sarah got voted out in the Marquesas, he didn’t seem too upset by it at all, but now he’s just letting the fact that he and Amber have been forced into a temporary separation mess with his whole attitude. That said, I hope it does cost him the game, and it will be great fun to watch.



Amber clearly is not happy with the situation either, but she’s sucking it up, and not letting it get her down, and she seems to be more concerned with the game itself than with personal relationships. But Rob saying that he could have handled being stuck on the other tribe better than Amber is just ridiculous. He can barely handle being with his own tribe without Amber, let alone with completely new people.



The new Mogo Mogo tribe is not having a good time in general, but Alicia made me laugh when she said, “Let them be impressed by our camp. Maybe it’ll knock them down even further when they see how good we had it, because they suck!”



Ok, the whole watching Jerri brush her teeth with the used toothbrush was just disgusting. I could have done without seeing that. I nearly lost my supper.



The immunity challenge was an enjoyably fun little game of Survivor trivia, that showed me just how much I had forgotten from previous seasons, although I did get 7 out of 11 questions right and 6 out of 7 on the final question, (I chose Jessica instead of Diane for Survivor Africa) so that’s not too bad I guess.



So anyway, after the challenge we got to see more of Boston Rob moping over Amber. He even wrote a letter a A on his arm for her, and like magic, she wasn’t voted out! And so, even though I may not like him too much, it gave me a great idea, and I wrote a letter C on my arm for the new Chapera tribe in the hopes that they will finally start winning some challenges. Keep your fingers crossed and tune in next week to see if it worked.



It is very irritating, though, how much power the others have given to our lovesick pup. I’m a little disappointed in Kathy. On some levels I can understand her decision to vote out Jerri instead of Amber, but at the end of the day, the less allies Boston Rob has, the better. But then I have to remember the ingenious moves she made in the Marquesas and hope she knows what she’s doing. It’s just my gut, though, that she has made a huge mistake.



I understand why Lex keeps wanting to tell his friends they are getting voted out, but it’s just not good game-play, and if he keeps it up, eventually it is going to backfire on him. And I was a little disappointed in Jerri’s weak attempt to save herself with Lex, although we weren’t given the opportunity to see what happened when she pled her case before Lex, Kathy, and Shii Ann, but obviously it didn’t work. It was just a night of disappointments. On the bright side, Jerri lasted far longer than I expected, and I’m glad I got to see a different side to her. (I know she had cleaned up her act to some extent in The Surreal Life, but it was just such a boring show, and Corey Feldman was extremely annoying, that I was only able to watch a few episodes, before I gave up on it.) And she handled getting voted out really well. At least she was voted out for strategic reasons this time rather than obnoxiousness. And since this was her last episode, I would just like to dedicate this post to Jerri. Let’s all take a moment of silence to remember this spirited Survivor who deserves an award for completely changing her image around. Jerri, this post’s for you!

"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

Edited by: Krazy Dreamer at: 4/3/04 12:35 pm
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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:43 pm

This episode proves just how flexible you have to be to play the game of Survivor. What cost Lex the game was not his misplaced trust in Rob, but his inability to sway from what he had set in his mind that once the tribes merged, he’d be able to gain Boston Rob and Big Tom as allies. As far as I’m concerned, that was a huge assumption on his part, and clearly it was wrong.



Ok, Big Tom comparing Rob to a calf being weaned from his mother was hilarious. I couldn’t help but laugh, even though I tried hard not to, but what made it even funnier was where immediately following his comment, they show Rob drinking coconut milk, and he had it all over his mustache. Ok, maybe it was really water that he was drinking. Cut Me Some slack for my over-active imagination, please.



I really hated seeing Rob making a secret alliance with Alicia. I hope she’s smart enough to realize that he’ll turn his back on her the second it’s convenient for him.



I was really happy to see Rupert beat Boston Rob in the reward challenge. And when Rupert chose Amber for the reward challenge, I think some of the others were expecting him to choose Rob too, so that he and Amber could make up for lost time. So I greatly enjoyed the fact that he chose Jenna instead. And it was funny to see Rupert between Amber and Jenna for a change instead of Rob, although I still think they need to get rid of the middle-man altogether, but that’s just wishful thinking on my part. And it was cool to see Rupert in a skirt again. I have a lot of respect for a man who’s secure enough in his masculinity to wear a skirt on national television.



I thought it was funny that Rob was the “Tylenol Push Through the Pain” winner for last week, because I don’t think Tylenol could have helped him with the type of "pain" he was experiencing. I mean, please, he was separated from Amber for three days, boo hoo. Whatever. Forgive me for not feeling sorry for him.



But anyway as much as I hate to admit it, Amber has really matured from the 22-year-old kid who was riding the coattails of Jerri in the Australian Outback. She also seems to have a much better understanding of the game then she did before, and certainly much better than Rob in my opinion. Still, I don’t think she’s going to win, because she’s too tightly aligned with him. On the other hand, if Rob goes any time soon, and Amber plays her cards right, she might be able to pull it off. But as long as both she and Rob are in the game, she’s going to have a huge target on her back. Especially since she backstabbed Kathy and Lex.



So moving right along, the best part about the immunity challenge, apart from Kathy winning for the women, was when she burped as she was coming up for air during the second part of the challenge. It was both attractive and musical. The worst part of the immunity challenge was seeing how close to winning Lex came, and then losing to Rob. I’m still confused by why he didn’t win. Unfortunately, that doesn’t change the outcome.



I’m really disappointed in Kathy again this week. This game is not about friendship. I really thought Kathy understood that. She and Lex risked too much by voting Jerri out last week in their mistaken belief that Rob was going to come through for them. But what disappointed me more than that was the fact that Kathy got so emotional over Rob’s betrayal that she temporarily lost focus of the game, and almost threw in the towel. And what disappointed me even more than that was that she should never have told Lex that she was going to give him the immunity necklace, knowing full well that that would have cost her the game. I know she was caught in a moment of weakness, but it was really bad for her to say she was going to do something and then not follow through with it, especially to someone who has been so loyal to her as Lex has, because that just made him feel backstabbed twice.



It was almost painful to see Lex’s face at Tribal Council. Painful and comical at the same time. First with Rob’s lame explanation about how friendship and gameplay are two separate things. (Ironically, Lex gave Ethan almost the exact same speech before he booted him out of the tribe.) Secondly, after Kathy had said she was going to give him the immunity necklace, and then changed her mind. Poor Lex was so disgusted he didn’t know which way was up.



One nice thing about Tribal Council was how close Shii Ann and Alicia were getting. I realize it was most likely to ward off the chill, but it was still really nice to see. On the flip side, I didn’t like the fact that Shii Ann voted against Lex instead of Amber. It’ll be interesting to see if Kathy’s scrambling will be enough to save her next week.



"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:18 pm

No real surprises in Thursday night’s episode regardless of the promises. It started with the tribe getting back from Tribal Council where they voted Lex out, and the fire had gone out due to the rain. Then we get to hear Amber feeling sorry for herself because she got two votes. Come on, Amber, you’re still in the game, and you can’t honestly believe that you didn’t deserve those votes? In any case they didn’t hurt you one bit besides giving you a heads up that you are vulnerable.



At this point, with Kathy gone, I don’t really care who wins, as long as it isn’t Big Tom, Boston Rob, or Amber. Rupert, Shii Ann, or Alicia would be nice, though, but I’m not going to get my hopes up, because they’re all on the outskirts of the tribe. That just leaves Jenna Lewis who I’m neutral towards, but more against winning. I don’t think she’s got it in her to win anyway, so it’s a moot point.



It was really funny when Kathy said, “I think Boston Rob has a soul, but…” unfortunately she didn’t follow it up with anything humorous, and there were so many things she could have said. Oh well. Another joke gone down the toilet. This episode seriously lacked humor, and I could have used some to counter the rotten, sick feeling I had knowing that Kathy was leaving. And this feeling got worse and worse as I saw her still holding on to hope that trusting Rob was going to work. I don’t understand how she could have continued to have faith in this man who stabbed her in the back, but the blame is more on her and Lex than on Rob. He’s just doing whatever he can to win this game. They seem to have lost focus that it is just a game.



I don’t blame the other tribe members for voting Kathy out. From their perspective it was the best move possible, because she was such an excellent player, and she was good in the immunity challenges. It was better for them to get rid of her sooner rather than later.



The only good I can see coming out of this situation is that now Shii Ann has a much better shot at making it to the finals, because the two power players from her team are gone. Boston Rob is the only real power player left in the game, and if the others are smart, they need to get rid of him the minute he loses immunity, otherwise they might not get the chance again, because he’s too much of a threat in the challenges. Of course I’m really curious to see what Shii Ann is going to come up with. We haven’t had the chance to really see what type of a player she is, especially since she was voted out prematurely in Thailand. Can she save herself next week by diverting attention from herself to the stronger players? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. My suspicion is that Rob is going to want to get rid of Rupert as soon as possible.



This episode was just depressing. They spent several minutes showing how miserable the Survivors were due to all the rain and lack of fire, and then missing loved ones on top of that. Jenna seemed to be the only one able to stay upbeat about the entire situation, saying there were family, warm beds, and food waiting after 11 days.



Actually the fact that they were talking about loved ones made me believe that their loved ones were gong to be there in person as they have had them in Survivors past, but no, it was letters from home and video tapes. I was a little surprised. I wonder if they’re going to fly any family members over at all this year.



I thought the reward/immunity challenge was the best one so far this year. In fact the obstacle course looked like a lot of fun. And the videotape samples were extremely emotional for everybody. Tom was the only one not crying. I have to give Boston Rob credit for that extremely strategic move of foregoing his brother’s video so that everyone would get their letters from home. It reminded me of the move Heather made in The Mole 2 (not to be confused with the Celebrity editions of the Mole which were just a Sham in my opinion) when she sacrificed getting an exemption so that everybody could receive a phone call from home. Brilliant move. Although I don’t necessarily share Shii Ann’s opinion that this move will win him the game, but it certainly won’t hurt his chances either.



One thing I’ve noticed is that Rupert has lost a lot of weight. Maybe I should apply for Survivor. Ok, now I’ve shared too much information.



Anyway, as I said last week, this game is about flexibility and being able to adapt not only to the environment, but the people and situations around you. Kathy was brilliant at this in the Marquesas. Unfortunately, this time around, she let friendship get in the way of her focus. She also thought she could play the same game of offering herself as the swing vote in order to stick around. And unfortunately, she had let Lex fill her head with ideas about Big Tom switching to their side. This clouded her judgment and weakened her arguments with Tom and Alicia. She tried to explain to them in a strategic way about how crucial the game gets when there are 5 and 7 players. And while very valid arguments, they weren’t strong enough to sway Tom or Alicia. And they shouldn’t have, because as far as either of them knows, Rob is loyal to them, and they realized Kathy was going to say anything to stick around. At this point, she should have used the numbers game strategy instead. For example explaining to them that with Rob, they are only guaranteed a 5th and 6th position in the game. If they instead form an alliance with her and Shii Ann, they have a better chance of making it to the final four. Tom seemed amused by her arguments, and just sort of dismissed her, which he can’t really be blamed for. She wasn’t offering him a real reason to defect. And I didn’t like her speech at Tribal Council at all. She played an excellent game in the Marquesas, this much is true, but the way she was talking at TC, she acted like she was the expert on the game and the others really don’t know how to play. I can definitely see how this might be offensive to the others. I understand that she was just trying to water the seeds she had planted in the other tribemates’ minds earlier, but there were so many other ways she could have handled the situation.



I’m really confused by her final words, though, where she said she really thought Rob was going to come through for her. Wait a minute, she voted against Amber. She couldn’t really have thought that he was going to vote Amber out just to save her, could she? Of course not, that doesn’t make any sense. Hmm. Well, in any case, why she trusted him again, I have no idea. I think Kathy is a really cool person, and I love how she slips into “hippie speak” every now and then, unfortunately she tried to play this game of Survivor as a big hippie love fest, and it backfired. Saying I’m disappointed in Kathy is an understatement, but she really has no one to blame but herself for getting voted out. As a person, though, she’s still my favorite Survivor of all time. Rupert coming in a very close second.



And since I can’t think of anything really positive to say about this episode, I’ll leave you with this thought: Shii Ann’s family has a beautiful fat cat with a cute little pudgy face and tiny ears. I want her!



"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

Krazy Dreamer
 


Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby maudmac » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:39 pm

Bleh.



It's all so stupid! Kathy, Lex, Jerri...they could probably have worked things and gotten rid of Rob, if they hadn't fallen under his thrall. Is he so charming and seemingly sincere that all these people really believe him? Bleh!



Don't have much to say, except that I agree that Kathy only has herself to blame for this. And, yes, Shii Ann's family's cat is quite adorable.



I'm not upset to now be rooting for Rupert or Shii Ann, but I hate that Kathy's gone. And I hate how she went. And I hate that I probably gave her too much credit. I honestly believed she was smarter than that.



My hope that Rob will be going soon has pretty much vanished. Looks like everyone's going to just let him control the game. :sigh


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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby maudmac » Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:18 pm

And the bleh just keeps on comin'.



Does Rob have some kind of mind control capabilities? Because I cannot figure out for the life of me why anyone at all puts one iota of faith in his word. Surely Alicia was smart enough to know that if he would blindside Lex, he wouldn't hesitate to do the same to her.



Never mind what great things could have been accomplished while Lex and Kathy were still around, this week was probably about the last good chance to upset Rob's dominance of the game. With Tom, Rupert, and Shii Ann all sensing their own vulnerability, was it only Alicia's trust in Rob that kept her from sensing her own? Seems it would have been easy enough for Alicia to play on their fears and create a new Alicia/Rupert/Tom/Shii Ann alliance that could easily pick off the other three, starting with the non-immune Rob this week. Even if Alicia was pretty confident that her alliance with Rob would hold, surely she must have realized that it would only hold for so long and that her chances would ultimately be better with someone else.



I know it's easy to see all this from the outside, and perhaps easy for the players to see with hindsight. Also, we aren't being shown everything that happens, of course. Nonetheless, I'm still having a hard time believing how incredibly stupid these people are being in keeping Rob around for so long.



What's up next? Looks like Shii Ann will go for sure, unless she pulls a Colby and manages to win immunity after immunity until the end. And when she's gone? Bye-bye Rupert and Tom and Jenna. Amber and Rob in the Final Two? Bleh!


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Re: Survivor: All-Stars

Postby eveningstar845 » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:31 am

I'm so glad Shii Ann won the immunity. You have to respect her, she beat Rob and Rupert. She's tough.

To quote Shii Ann " Stupid,stupid, stupid players." When are they going to realize that they can't trust Rob? Hope Alicia 's last words(someone stab me in the back ) would make they come to their senses.

The only abnormality is the incapacity to love - Anais Nin

Edited by: eveningstar845 at: 4/23/04 10:32 am
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Why Rob?

Postby Tiggrscorpio » Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:34 pm

The only thing I can figure is that everyone left wants to go to the final two with Rob. If they continue to let him control the game, then everyone on the jury will have been screwed over by him and the person sitting next to him will win the million. They should be careful, though, because too many times I've heard the jury vow they weren't going to vote for someone, and then, they turn around and give it to them for playing a good game.



Of course, I could be completely wrong. It is hard for us viewers to understand because we don't get to see everything, so the Survivors have a different perspective.



I was happy for Shii Ann and I'm glad she threw it back in their faces. It won't help her for the future, but I think her remarks and attitude were justified.





Tiggrscorpio
 


In Rob We Trust

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:13 pm

I think they should re-title this show “In Rob We Trust.” Well, they do trust him anyway, until one by one, he stabs them in the back. As far as I can see even if Rob makes it to the final two, I don’t see how he can win. He’s already alienated all three of the jury members, and it just takes one more to vote against him winning the game. (I realize everyone else has already said this, but I just thought I'd re-emphasize it.)



The reward challenge this week was the most brutal challenge I have ever seen. And the masks were great with those sinister expressions. They should have played Psycho music in the background to provide the full effect. And pitting players against each other and forcing them to answer unpleasant questions about each other was brilliant, and very telling. I guess I didn’t realize just how charismatic Rob was until I saw this game. I’m still freaking out about the fact that he is the player that most of the others trust with their lives. The other question that really surprised me was that they picked Alicia as the player who is under the false assumption that she is smart. In my opinion if anyone is disillusioned about her intelligence it’s Jenna. She constantly talks and talks and talks and thinks she needs to guide the other players by the hand and give them advice about their game plans. To me this just proves her ignorance and naïveté.



Anyway, the second part of the reward challenge was the fact that Rupert got to decide who was going to eat what at the restaurant, and I was very disappointed in his choices. He basically revealed his alliance with Rob and Amber. His alliance with Jenna surely was no secret, but still. And yet the other players still did not catch on, well at least not enough to realize that they needed to get rid of Rob, because who knows when they’re going to have the chance again. Does anybody left really deserve to be called an All-Star? Shii Ann picked up on this, but she’s on the outside of the tribe looking in, so it’s much easier for her to see clearly. (Well, and besides the fact that Rupert just flat out told her.) I would have loved to have heard how Kathy would have assessed this situation. Anyway, when Alicia said she would have chosen the salad anyway, I started laughing, because Shii Ann rolled her eyes. I don’t know why that was so funny to me, but it was.



But I don’t know. The more I learn about Jenna, the less I like her. What’s up with her saying Shii Ann is obnoxious? If anyone out there is obnoxious, again Jenna’s first on my list. And I am not even going to comment on Rupert licking his plate.



I knew it was bound to happen sooner or later, Alicia and Big Tom trying to form some sort of an alliance in a desperate attempt to save themselves, not that it worked, but it was definitely worth seeing. But Alicia just brushing Shii Ann off before the immunity challenge and telling her that it was too late to change her mind, because she felt so secure in her position in the tribe, was not a smart move. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, the minute you feel secure, that’s the minute everything falls apart for you



I loved the immunity challenge. Of course, I always love endurance challenges, because it gives some of the players who have no prayer in other types of challenges a fighting chance. It basically boils down to who wants it the most. And I was so happy when Rob’s water fell on top of his head. He was so angry and seemed so humiliated that Rupert and Shii Ann had outlasted him. It was great to see his expression. And I was so happy that Shii Ann won immunity, and she had every right to celebrate, and even rub it in everybody else’s face. Alicia’s just a poor loser, complaining about how Shii Ann pointed her finger at everyone after she won immunity. Hmm. Finger pointing? I seem to recall somebody else who wagged her finger in Kimmie’s face in Australia and said, “I will always point my finger in your face.” I like Alicia, but I just find the hypocrisy and self-righteousness in this tribe to be nauseating. Granted Alicia had had a rough day, finding out her tribemates think that she’s the least deserving to be there on top of them thinking she’s not as smart as she thinks she is, but that’s really no excuse. Keeping your emotions in check is one of the main keys to this game. Venting away from others, like the way Shii Ann does, works best.



And if things keep going the way they have been, i.e. my favorite players being picked off one by one, then Rupert should be going next week. But you never know. Strategically, it would have been in the best interests of the other players to take him out this week (well, second after Rob anyway), because he’s the biggest threat in the immunity challenges, but not even their beloved leader, Rob, is playing this game very well. First, he has alienated people who could vote for him to win in the end, and secondly he’s apparently voting emotionally rather than strategically, at least this vote. Alicia’s not even a threat to him. He took her out just because he had an argument with her on day three. Somebody needs to bust this guy’s ego, and knock him down a peg or two. Shii Ann is totally right. They are stupid players. What amazed me more than anything was the fact that nobody even approached Shii Ann to try to make some sort of deal with her. It’s like they haven’t learned anything from previous versions of Survivor.



So this is my current assessment of the players. I will be shocked if Jenna, Rupert, or Rob wins the game. Rupert has a shot if he wins successive immunity challenges, but even if Jenna or Rob makes it to the final two, I can’t see either one of them winning. Shii Ann will probably be going soon unless she does some fancy footwork or wins immunity again which I don’t see happening, because Rob and Rupert are just too strong, especially in the physical challenges. That leaves Amber and Big Tom. Of these two, Amber is definitely the stronger player, but both are well liked, although I think Amber has a tiny edge over Tom. If they both make it to the final two, my money would be on Amber. So the way things are looking, I’m going to go ahead and put my foot in my mouth and say Amber is probably going to win if the other players don’t wise up soon. But it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.



Oh, one more thing. Watch for Shii Ann to be the Tylenol “Push Through the Pain” winner next week.





"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

Krazy Dreamer
 


Re: Survivor All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat May 01, 2004 12:20 pm

No real surprises in tonight’s episode. It really appears as though this game is going to reach a disappointing finale. Jenna or Rupert, probably Rupert unless Jenna annoys everybody enough, will have to go next week. There’s no other choice. If they get rid of Big Tom, it’ll be two against two, Rob and Amber against Rupert and Jenna. Neither Rob nor Amber is stupid enough to do that, and everyone else is blinded by Rob. If Jenna or Rupert can convince Big Tom to vote out Rob or Amber, the peasants might have a shot, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, especially since Tom told his son that the key to him winning is his alliance with Rob. I’m amazed at the foolishness of these people. How is it that any of them can even think that Rob is going to take them to the final two over Amber? Maybe Tom thinks he can win final immunity? I don’t know, but King and Queen, Rob and Amber, have everything they need to make it to the final two. All they really have left to do is secure the final immunity.



I really have to say that Jenna outdid even herself this week. If I ever thought she was annoying before, this episode pretty much sealed the deal. I really don’t remember her being this annoying the first time around, but she is quickly turning into one of my least favorite players of all time, right behind ol’ Tom. Yes, you read correctly, she’s even worse than Boston Rob in my book. Maybe it’s because she reminds me too much of the type of hateful, hypocritical, two-faced people that I had to deal with growing up. But anyway, she constantly complains about everything, yet I really don’t see her lifting a finger to help anyone else out. Plus, she seems to act like everyone else owes her something. I don’t care if she weighs 120 lbs or that Rupert is this big tough fisherman, he does not owe Jenna any fish at all. She’s just a selfish person. And I hate the condescending way she thinks she needs to talk to everybody, especially Rupert. Actually, there was just way too much Rupert-bashing in this episode to begin with. Rupert’s like the coolest Survivor left. I just wish he knew how to play the game better.



I really felt for Shii Ann in this episode, and I know she fought to the bitter end to stay in the game, and I have to respect her for that, but I think if she would have tried a little harder to bond with her tribemates, she might have had a better chance of staying in the game. I noticed in this episode, as well as the last, that she stayed to herself quite a bit. While this is very understandable given the way the old Chapera tribe has been completely ostracizing her and some members have just been outright rude to her, it would have still been a good idea to have just sucked it up and tried harder to form bonds with people rather than just trying to form last minute alliances in my opinion.



Buckie Bo. What can I say? Chip off the old block. Gotta respect the way he admires his old man. So the day has finally come that I’ve found a redeeming quality in Big Tom. The same cannot be said for Jenna or her brother.



I really liked the immunity challenge this time, because it was really a test of patience and perseverance which is why Boston Rob was out first. And boy was he mad! That actually was the best part of this challenge, seeing how upset he got. It was just disappointing to see Shii Ann get so far, and then lose to Big Tom. And when she was trying to convince Big Tom to vote against Jenna instead of herself, I just had to laugh when she slipped into his back woods accent. Privately mocking him or genuine accident? Either way, it was great fun to see.



I just think that instead of telling Rob and Amber that she was going to expose the secrets of the tribe at Tribal Council, she should have tried to use that info as leverage or even outright blackmail. Oh, well, she seemed to have a lot of fun at TC, and that’s something no one can take away from her. The best part was seeing Kathy, Lex, and Alicia sitting on the jury looking dumb-founded as Shii Ann was spouting her spiel. And I have to say it. Man, Alicia looked hot! :thud Somebody throw cold water on me!





"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

Krazy Dreamer
 


Re: Survivor All-Stars

Postby maudmac » Sat May 08, 2004 2:13 am

Okay, these people are crazy. That's just all there is to it.



I'm sure not devastated to see Big Tom go, but Rob's just evil. So my Rob-hate is back again and stronger than ever. But, I have to say that as I felt myself despising him all over again, it occurred to me that I might also feel like he's played the game better than anyone else, based on how successful his strategy has been, not so much on how much I like him or the morality of how he's played, which is downright despicable.



So what have we got? Rob, Amber, Rupert, and Jenna. Down to the wire. Looks like everything can hinge on who gets the next immunity. Let me guess who that's likely to be. :sigh



I'm rooting for Rupert, though I am constantly disappointed by the way he follows Rob. If I thought that were a well-thought-out strategy, I might let him off the hook for it, but I don't believe it is.



I remain unspoiled, but I do wonder what this big twist is, that's guaranteed to shock us. I'm wondering if, perhaps, it'll be something like Amber or Rob gets to the end and then doesn't pick the other to go to the final two with. Because, really, if Rob picked Amber, he'd lose and he has to know that. If he picks Jenna, though, he's got a shot. Something like that. Which, of course, costs Amber the $100,000 she'd get for being second.



I know Survivor has all kinds of rules about winners not sharing their winnings with other contestants in any way, but I wonder how it works if two contestants are a couple after the show. If Rob or Amber won, and they remain together, how can the show prevent one of them from buying the other one dinner or paying the rent or mortgage if they live together?



Definitely looking forward to Sunday. I have to say, though, that overall, I've been disappointed with how this bunch of Survivor veterans have played the game. It's made me think that they learned nothing at all the first time around.


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Re: Survivor All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat May 08, 2004 1:41 pm

I’ve never been so happy to be wrong. Rupert made it to the Final Four and Big Tom is gone! But you’re right, Rob lying bald-faced to Tom and then backstabbing him the way he did was pure evil and not very smart. I think that mistake may have cost Rob second place unless he can win successive immunity challenges, but I really hope Rupert steals his thunder. It seems to me that Rob is letting his lust and greed cloud his thinking. Plus he’s playing this game as if he were some sort of mafia crime boss by taking out his enemies before they have a chance to take him out. Unfortunately for Rob this strategy doesn’t work in Survivor where it’s important not to alienate your tribemates.



The only reason I can come up with that Tom got voted out stems back to the episode in which Lex got voted out. During that episode, according to Lex, Tom was going to switch alliances over to Lex’s team. There was, however, no evidence for this except from Lex’s own head. Regardless, Rob took the information as fact and stored it away in the revenge part of his mind right next to his intentions to avenge himself because Alicia had dared to question him in episode three! Of course these suspicions were also fed when Rob instigated a fight between Tom and Rupert, and Tom wasn’t able to defend himself against Rupert’s accusations. So it is partly Tom’s fault as well. But Rob’s just letting his emotions run this game, because even after he had overheard Jenna and Rupert plotting against him, he still voted Tom out. The sad part (for him) is that due to the way he has had everyone jumping at his every word, and the devotion and loyalty he seems to spark from others, he could have easily won this game if he would have used his head, but now it seems as if it’s too late, in my opinion, anyway. I’m not sure why Amber didn’t try to talk some sense into him, though, unless I’m really overestimating her. Or unless she has some other trick up her sleeve, but what that could possibly be, I have no idea. I think I’m overanalyzing the situation, and that Rob and Amber just made a really bad decision.



Not much to be said about the reward challenge this week. It was very obvious that Rob was going to win since the different elements that made up this challenge were very similar to other challenges he had previously won. So Rob won himself a new truck and his girlfriend a new car. What disappoints, but doesn't surprise me, however, is that the other Survivors didn't use this opportunity, with Rob and Amber gone, to plot against them. Instead Rupert waited until the next morning to talk to Tom about voting out Rob (at least somebody is talking about voting against Rob.) Unfortunately, this made Rob suspicious about why Rupert and Tom were talking together apart from the group, so he created enough paranoia in Tom's mind to cause Tom to foolishly confront Rupert. (Divide and conquer, that's what it's all about. Rob has so much understanding of human nature, and more ability than the others to win this game. I know it sounds like I'm rooting for Rob, but I'm really not. I'm actually glad he's messing up. Unfortunately the other players aren’t taking advantage of this fact. It's just that it's such a waste.) :spin Anyway, luckily Rupert is much smarter than Tom, and he recognized that Rob was behind Tom's anger and frustration, and used the opportunity to turn things around on him by calling him out on the plotting he and Tom had been doing earlier and making it seem as though it was Tom's idea. And luckily, Tom got so flustered he didn't even know how to defend himself. So Tom basically just played right into both Rob's and Rupert's hands without even realizing it.



The immunity challenge was a word search/anagram puzzle, so I thought maybe the other players might have a chance to win, but no, :sigh Rob won again, even though Amber came so close. I'm so tired of Rob winning challenges.



But Big Tom is just pathetic. After Rob won, he started apologizing and kissing Rob's and Amber's butts. You know, it's starting to make more and more sense to me why he was voted out, even though he could have so easily been used as a pawn. I'm still not saying the other players made the right decision, though. But when Rob was talking to Tom and he asked him whether or not he had been plotting to get rid of him, and Tom denied it, I think this is what cost Tom the game more than anything, because Rob did not believe him, and truly believed that Big Tom was plotting against him. But the fact that Tom thinks Jenna is smarter than Rupert, and even smart enough to win this game, shows just how little he does know, in my mind anyway.



And it wasn't very smart of Amber to say she could smell the money in front of the other players. Especially with the seeds Shii Ann had planted in their minds last week, but are they smart enough to pick up on this fact?



So Tommy Boy... The effects of being voted out after 36 days in the jungle - hunger, exhaustion, and betrayal. The looks of disgust on Lex's and Alicia's faces when you were voted out… priceless.



The best part, though, is that I now have something to look forward to tomorrow night since Rupert's still in the game. I was so positive he was going to be voted out, so it's like a whole new game for me right now. If Rupert makes it to the final two, he has a great shot at winning, simply because Rob and Amber have backstabbed way too much, and Jenna is just annoying. If he doesn't win immunity, though, I'm afraid he'll be the next to go.



"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

Krazy Dreamer
 


Re: Survivor All-Stars

Postby maudmac » Mon May 10, 2004 4:11 pm

Hmmm.



I'm torn between going on an hour-long rant and just saying, "I have nothing to say, except for this vomiting emoticon here."



The main thing I'm feeling about Survivor right now is a kind of "Move along, when does the next one start?" feeling.



I might have more later. Or I might just puke.


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maudmac
 


jerry

Postby ange04 » Mon May 10, 2004 4:33 pm

can someone please help me? i was flipping between A.S.S. & harry potter, what happened to jerry? i saw her standing there after the proposal, then i turned back and she was gone.



thanks

ange04
 


Re: jerry

Postby SySnootles » Mon May 10, 2004 7:06 pm

During the chat with the contestants, there was some bad blood being spilled again, and Jerri tried to pipe in and say something. Granted, it sounded a bit melodramatic, but the audience boo-ed her big time where she wasn't even able to finish what she was trying to say. It was actually kind of appaling. I felt like I was watching Jerry Springer at times.



Anyway, during the next commercial break Jerri left. I honestly can't say I blame her, but at the same time she should try to suck some things up a bit.

Catie



When I'm 130 years old, I want a pill that makes me so happy and so unself-conscious and so randy I'm willing to make love to my fuzzy bed slippers on my front lawn and yodel at the same time. -- Scott Adams from Dilbert and the way of the Weasel

SySnootles
 


Re: jerri

Postby ange04 » Mon May 10, 2004 8:16 pm

thanks for the info catie!!:bigkiss

ange04
 


Re: Survivor All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Tue May 11, 2004 3:25 pm

I, on the other hand, have a lot to say about this episode, especially since this show was three hours long. So let me just jump right in and start with Jenna’s comment at the beginning of the episode, “It’s down to four Survivors and I’m one of them. How’d that happen?” Well, Jenna, it happened because the others recognize that you’re not smart enough to actually win this game, nor are you a physical threat in the challenges. So I wouldn’t be too overly proud if I were you.



Another thing I want to comment on is that that purple rock of death threat has really kept the votes clean. Unless I’m mistaken, I can’t remember a single tie vote since Paschal drew the dreaded stone back in Survivor 4: the Marquesas. Rob and Amber used this to their advantage by feeding on Jenna’s greed. Basically Jenna has no honor so it was pretty evident that she wouldn’t think twice about voting Rupert out.



In the immunity challenge I was glad Rob did not win, but honestly it really would have made no difference who won as long as Rupert didn’t, because the other three had already decided to vote him out. If Rupert would have made it, Jenna would have been forced to vote against Rob or Amber, and it would have come down to a tie vote. So no matter who would have been removed from the game, I think it’s a pretty sure bet that Rupert could easily have beaten the other two in the final immunity since it was an endurance test, and he came the closest to winning the other endurance test the time Shii Ann won immunity. Unfortunately, that’s not the way things went down. The only other thing Rupert could have possibly done to save himself was to go to Rob and Amber and guarantee them that he would vote Jenna out. It might even have worked since Jenna was so up in the air about what she was going to do that Rob and Amber could have easily decided to go along with him. On the other hand, it very easily could have back-fired if Rob went to Jenna and told her, “Rupert’s agreed to vote you out, so it makes sense for myself and Amber to go along with him.” At that point with her back against the wall, she wouldn’t have thought twice, and would have assured Rob she would vote against Rupert. Of course it would have been well worth the risk on Rupert’s part. In any case, Rupert’s got far too much honor to ever have done something like that, so his only real hope was immunity which didn’t happen.



At tribal council when Jenna was talking out of both sides of her mouth and trying to justify what she was about to do (i.e. vote out Rupert), the players on the jury just had “whatever, Jenna” looks on their faces. And I had to laugh when Shii Ann rolled her eyes. Again, I don’t know why it makes me laugh when Shii Ann rolls her eyes, but I think it just goes along with my strange sense of humor.



One thing that upset me in the final immunity challenge was that when Amber asked Rob to step down so that she could win immunity, he was nodding his head and agreeing until Big Mouth Probst had to chime in, and it was just enough distraction for Rob to change his mind. The problem I have is that basically Jeff could have altered the outcome of the game, and he shouldn’t be allowed that much power. I mean, either way, Rob and Amber were going to the finals together, but what about next time? (I lost a lot of respect for Jeff Probst Sunday night, for this reason, along with the way he hosted the reunion show, but I’ll get into that later.) And then at tribal council he had the nerve to bring up the fact that Amber had tried to make a deal with Rob during the immunity challenge and asked her if it didn’t work out because of trust issues. What was she supposed to say, “No, Jeff, it was because you interfered.”? And he really seemed pleased with himself about it too, based on the huge smilrk he had on his face.



Lex and Kathy need to get over the fact that Rob snaked them, and take responsibility for the fact that they are more to blame than he is, because they let their emotions for him cloud their own game. At least Kathy was a big enough person to give Rob her vote for the million anyway. But she’s right, there were so many other routes Rob and Amber could have taken to get themselves to the final two without causing so many bad feelings.



Before I get into what I think about the comments the other jury members made at the final tribal council, I just feel the need to say that Jenna had put on way too much make-up that night and looked scarier than she usually does.



Ok, so anyway, I was a little puzzled when Rupert asked Rob why he should vote for him to win the game, and Rob told him, “Because you’re a man of your word.” I don’t remember Rupert ever giving Rob his word that he would vote for him to win unless it was a piece that we didn’t get to see, but I’m more of the opinion that Rob was just playing a mental game with Rupert. Either way, it worked. Rupert voted for Rob to win.



Not much to say about Alicia’s speech. It was bitter and to the point. But Shii Ann is great. I love how blunt she is, and how she basically put Lex and Kathy in their places. Plus, she had the best question of all the jury members. “Tell me three reasons why the person sitting next to you deserves the million dollars more than you do.”



Jenna’s question just sucked, and I found myself yawning not only out of boredom and exhaustion because of it, but also because of the amount of crap spewing from Rob’s and Amber’s lips in answer to it. They both must really think Jenna’s stupid. I don’t find her all that bright myself, but come on, she’s not that stupid to not see through them.



I’ll get to Tom’s question a little later on, in the meantime, I understand your reaction, maudmac, I wanted to puke too, but I would have felt much sicker had Rob or Jenna won the game. To me, Amber is tolerable compared to these two. Really, the only thing I have against her is her alliance to Rob, but even that is understandable in the sense that she has fallen for him. Understandable, but not excusable. Either way, I have no problems congratulating her on winning. And my one consolation is that Rob does not have the satisfaction of being named Sole Survivor of Survivor: All Stars. Because of this, I slept like a baby Sunday night.



Alright, I have to admit that I found myself running for the bathroom to purge myself from the disgust I felt when Rob decided to propose to Amber on national television. As if his other actions weren’t low enough, you cannot convince me that this wasn’t a strategic move and the ultimate low. Marrying Amber all but secures the million dollars in his hands whichever way the vote comes out. If you can’t win fairly, there’s always a solution, right Rob? I just think if his intentions to marry Amber were sincere, he would have asked her privately, and then they could have announced it together. But this way, it takes all the power from Amber, because if she says no for any reason, she ends up looking like the bad guy. She had no choice but to agree. It was a win-win situation for Rob. But this is what concerns me, Amber had a defeated look on her face throughout the entire reunion show. This disturbed me a great deal, because you would think she had everything in the world to be happy for. She had just gotten engaged to the man she is supposedly so much in love with on top of winning a million dollars. So obviously there’s something else going on that we, the general public, are not privy to. In any case, Jeff had it backwards. No matter how you look at it, Rob is a millionaire, not Amber. This, coupled with the disappointed look on Jeff’s face before he read the final vote, proved to me that he didn’t know beforehand who had won this time.



Anyway, you would think this was the Rob and Amber show the way Jeff just kept talking to them and not really giving anyone else a chance to speak. I miss Rosie O’Donnell hosting the reunion show. She at least made sure that we got to hear something from each of the players. I was more than a little perturbed that so much time was wasted on the happy couple that we didn’t get to hear from Rob Cesternino or Alicia, let alone most of the other players.



And I don’t care what Lex or Jeff had to say, this game is about chess. Granted, there are a lot more emotions involved, but basically it boils down to strategy. Let me break it down for you. Amber was the king. She didn’t make very many moves, and when she did, she didn’t move very far, but stayed in the background and got protected. Who protected her the best? The queen, of course. That was obviously Rob. He bullied his way across the board with big bold moves in order to prevent Amber from being checkmated. Big Tom and Jenna were never anything more than pawns that our royal couple played like violins. Rupert was a loyal and honorable knight. On the other team, Kathy was the king, because she made all the decisions in the background, and then let her queen, Lex not only think they were his ideas, but execute them as well. Rob recognized this, and took the queen out early. It was then a piece of cake to checkmate Kathy. He then had a straggler, Shii Ann left to deal with. She was a little too smart to be called a pawn, not honorable enough to be called a knight, but not powerful enough to be considered a rook, so I’m forced to give her the title of Bishop. So there you have it. A little more complex than chess, true. A lot more emotional, granted, but like chess, Survivor is all about strategy. And because Boston Rob pissed off so many people, I’m reluctantly forced to admit that Amber had the best strategy. Subtle, but effective.



So moving right along. Poor Jerri. What was up with all of that Jerri hatred. That was just wrong. What made it worse is the fact that the booing started the minute she opened her mouth, before she even had a chance to say anything. It just proves the point that Jerri was trying to make which is that people see them as characters rather than real people. She made a very valid point and clearly, most of the people in the audience were unable to distinguish in their minds the “character” Jerri had created in the Outback from the real person. So while I have compassion on her in that sense, like you said, Catie, she should have just sucked it up. And so I have lost a little respect for Jerri for two reasons. First of all I might have been able to excuse her had she had not already been on Survivor, because she already knew what she was getting into as far as the public’s reaction to her, yet she chose to play the game again. Secondly, while the points she made were valid, I don’t think it was the right time or place to bring them up. It really seemed like she was just feeling sorry for herself more than anything else. Plus, I think if it were me, I definitely would have stayed, if for no other reason than to spite the audience. Maybe I would have made faces at them or tried to make them laugh. Something, anything to let them know they had not won or intimidated me. But I would not have chosen the coward’s way out. In any case, I do feel bad for Jerri, because, out of all the Survivors, she has the most to be proud of as far as the obstacles she has been able to overcome. And especially because of this, she should have stayed and held her head high.



I was happy that Amber chose Shii Ann to win the Chevy Equinox, but in all fairness Tom was the real swing vote, not Shii Ann, because if Rob hadn’t backstabbed him, there’s no doubt in my mind he would have voted for him to win the game. When Tom asked why he should vote for Rob over Amber, Rob threw away his opportunity to secure Tom’s vote by throwing garbage back in Tom’s face about his fears that Tom was going to backstab him and burning his last bridge, instead of trying to patch things up between himself and Big Tom. He basically just let his pride get in the way. And I actually found myself cheering for Big Tom when he acted like he was going to make up with Rob by extending his hand in a shake, then taking it away and calling Rob “stupid.” Way to go, Tom! My distaste for him has decreased a little. I mean come on, you have to feel sorry for him because of the way Rob played him, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s my least favorite player of all time, although Jenna Lewis has definitely pulled her way up to second.



That leaves me with just one more thing left to say, there’s no question in my mind that Rupert’s going to win the second million dollar prize.







"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

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survivor allstars

Postby NeitherHereNorThere » Tue May 11, 2004 7:46 pm

All right...I'll just start with, I'm glad Amber won. I was rooting for her, I definitely didn't want Rob to win(not that it makes much difference now). I like Amber, I think she played a good game and deserves the million and the title of Sole Survivor.



Also, Krazy Dreamer, you mentioned that Jenna didn't think twice about getting rid of Rupert, but I think she genuinely was unsure about what to do. I believe that she didn't want to vote him out, but in the end, her greed for the chance to get the money was too strong. Still, she thought twice. She's loud and annoying and doesn't play a good game, but I don't think she gets quite enough credit.



I just have to say, that I hope Rob is genuine with Amber. I think he is, he did take her into the final two even though it would have been much, much easier for him to win against Jenna. Still, proposing on live television was sort of lame, and it's true that she didn't have much choice about what to say. So, I guess congratulations to them, I hope they'll be happy together, also congratulations to Jenna L. for her marriage, and congratulations to Rich for finding a boyfriend. :)



I felt terrible for Jerri. The crowd was heartless, with the way they treated her. They should have had some sense and known to separate her character, who they obviously don't like, from her. I wish she'd stuck through it though; it seemed like her leaving was just her giving into the crowd.



I'm not a Rupert fan, but I'd like to see him win the million. He played the game of Survivor well, and he's such a nice guy, and he totally deserves it. Amber's already got her million, so I'm happy, and now I want Rupert to have it. :)

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Re: survivor allstars

Postby Tiggrscorpio » Tue May 11, 2004 8:02 pm

The finale was pretty much a let down. It would have been great to see something unexpected. I was hoping Rupert was going to win that second to last immunity challenge. He was so close. I would have liked to have seen him in the top 3. I don't think he would have faired too well in the final challenge. He had some balance issues on some of the earlier rope and plank walking challenges, so I'm not sure it would have made much of a difference, I just wanted to see him do better than Jenna L.



I sort of liked there was still a little doubt at the end between Boston Rob and Amber. He wasn't willing to just give it to her. It made me wonder if he might turn on her at the end.



I am glad that Amber won and not him. Lex needs to get over himself and I'm glad Shii Ann made her remark during the question period about people in glass houses. Shii Ann was the one I ended up liking the most at the end. I'm glad Amber gave her the car.



Rupert got my vote for the million dollars!

*****



"The history of our nation has demonstrated that separate is seldom, if ever, equal." The Massachusetts Supreme Court upholding its ruling in favor of gay marriage

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Re: survivor allstars

Postby maudmac » Fri May 14, 2004 12:13 am

OMG, wow, Rupert won the million! What a surprise!



I always liked Rupert and I'm glad he won. I bet he'll do more good in the world with his million than Romber ever could.



I'm still confused about the rules. I've learned that it's perfectly alright to share your winnings after the game, but you cannot conspire to do so during the game. That's why Tina couldn't get Colby that motorcycle. If, however, she'd kept her mouth shut and gotten him one after the show was over, that would have been fine. That's how I understand the rules. But what I don't understand is how it is that Rob and Amber didn't conspire. Because there's Rob, right on tape, saying something like, "Best case scenario, I win and we share my million. Worst case scenario, Amber wins and we share her million." Hello? Doesn't that at least suggest that the two of them agreed during the game to share their winnings? Perhaps they didn't and that was just Rob talking about his own thoughts, but it raises the question and CBS seems to be totally ignoring that. Pffft.



Another complaint. In this second special, once again some contestants were ignored. Even after Jerri took Jeff to task for it, he still kept the focus on Romber, Rupert, Big Tom, and Colby. I don't think we got a single word from Alicia in either of these specials, did we? Yet...Johnny Assplay, who doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with any of this, gets screentime and we all get to find out what's going on with him? What is wrong with this picture?



Oh, and I'm gonna edit the thread title to just "Survivor" since Vanuatu's coming up in September. Heh. Survivor Vanuatu: Islands of Fire. I wonder how many people immediately thought Survivor Vanuatu: Asses of Fire. I know I did.


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Re: Survivor All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Sat May 15, 2004 12:20 pm

Quote:
“Another complaint. In this second special, once again some contestants were ignored. Even after Jerri took Jeff to task for it, he still kept the focus on Romber, Rupert, Big Tom, and Colby. I don't think we got a single word from Alicia in either of these specials, did we? Yet...Johnny Assplay, who doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with any of this, gets screentime and we all get to find out what's going on with him? What is wrong with this picture?”




Romber! :lol Hey, that’s good. But anyway, I have to agree with you. Jeff Probst really annoyed me Thursday night. He basically just blew Jerri off. On the other hand, I think Jerri was taking things way too seriously and personally. If she really wants her 15 minutes in the spotlight, I’m sure there are tons of people who would love to interview her to get her side of the story, especially in light of what happened at the reunion show. And she should be in the tabloids for many weeks to come. And you’re right, not only did we not get to hear from Alicia, but there wasn’t even so much as a close-up shot of her which irritated me to no end. At least Rob C was allowed to speak which felt like an itch being scratched to me. But another thing that bothered me was not only was Jeff ignoring the other Survivors, he was completely focused on Rob Mariano; his engagement to Amber, the people he back-stabbed, and his game-play. He didn’t really talk much about anything else, besides America’s votes and scolding Jerri as if she were a child which was completely uncalled for as far as I’m concerned. He was just mad because she had questioned his hosting style. I mean, please, it was no skin off of his nose that she had left Sunday night. But anyway, if Jeff loves Rob so much, maybe he should marry him instead of Amber. Besides the fact that I am sick to death of hearing about Rob and Amber (Romber), I just think Jeff is way too biased, and he lets it show. If he’s so fascinated with their relationship, he can talk to them on his own time. In the meantime, I want to hear from my favorite players.



I was glad to see that Amber seemed much happier than she did Sunday night, but to be honest with you, I don’t even care anymore if either one of them is sincere towards the other one. They deserve each other. And Jeff was just asking the same questions over and over. I felt like I was wasting my time, and almost shut off my TV, and I probably would have too, except I really wanted to see Rupert’s reaction when he won the million dollars, and that was the only thing that kept me glued to the set. Well, the greatest Survivor moments were pretty fun to watch too.



Unfortunately, there’s really not much else to say. Vanautu should prove to be a very interesting place for Survivor, and especially for the challenges. Hopefully four months will be enough time for me to flush all these negative thoughts of Probst out of my mind. Well, the truth is I’ve never watched Survivor for Jeff Probst anyway. But God how I miss Rosie!



As far as the rules of contestants sharing their winnings, I have no idea what that’s all about. I guess I thought it was pretty much a cut and dried thing. Oh, well. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.



And NHNT:



Quote:
“Also, Krazy Dreamer, you mentioned that Jenna didn't think twice about getting rid of Rupert, but I think she genuinely was unsure about what to do. I believe that she didn't want to vote him out, but in the end, her greed for the chance to get the money was too strong. Still, she thought twice. She's loud and annoying and doesn't play a good game, but I don't think she gets quite enough credit.”


Everyone is of course entitled to her own opinion. I guess my whole take on it is that I have no question that Jenna was going back and forth in her mind trying to decide what to do. It’s just that I think she was trying to figure out which way was going to get her further in the game, rather than any loyalty she felt towards Rupert. I think in the end, she felt like she couldn’t leave her fate in the hands of a purple rock, and decided to take matters into her own hands. Does that make her a bad person? Not necessarily. I mean it is a game. But it just doesn't say much about her moral code or sense of honor.



So I’ll just conclude by saying that I’m glad this season is over. I think I’ve had my fill of All-Stars for a while. In some ways, this show was almost as bad as celebrity reality shows, simply because the contestants already knew each other, and it became a huge factor in the way they played the game. That was a large part of Boston Rob’s strategy to manipulate and play on his friends’ feelings, because without these connections, it’s unlikely that he would have made it as far as he did. I mean he didn’t even make it to the jury in the Marquesas, but I digress.





"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

Edited by: Krazy Dreamer at: 5/15/04 1:27 pm
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Re: Survivor All-Stars

Postby maudmac » Sun May 16, 2004 3:09 am

Heh, alas, I cannot take credit for "Romber." Some other fans thought that one up.



Supposedly, Jeff really thought Rob should have won and he seems to think Rob was an awesome player. :sigh Whatever. Rob played better than Amber (or Ambuh, if you like) did, I suppose, but...God...he's just such a bastard, I can't respect him. Not that I respect Ambuh, either, really.



Hell, I don't even respect Kathy anymore because she's up Rob's ass.



As far as respect goes, honestly, I can't even give Rupert as much as I'd like, because he went along with all that total Romber domination thing, while he could easily have thwarted them and their little plan.



It might be that Shii Ann is the one I respect the most. I don't know. I don't want to devote too much thinking to it. :lol Over, done, gone, get out of my head now, bring on the Asses of Fire.



I hear you about how this seemed like those celebrity reality shows. I thought The Mole was actually the best of all these reality game show type shows. It was brilliant. It had elements of Survivor, but the format didn't allow for all that political bullshit that's necessary on Survivor. To play well and get far in the game, you didn't just have to be savvy and social and possess a good sense of who you could and couldn't trust, you also had to be smart and ridiculously observant. Well, and also lucky, at least in the beginning. You had to seriously think about each and every step, each look, each gesture of all the other players, while also being conscious of how you were being perceived. The level of scrutiny required to play was immense.



And all this transferred over to the audience as well. If you were really, really into it, it would mean not just taking notes and keeping up with the actions of each player, but also watching the eps several times and probably significant chunks of them in slow motion. (Because besides regular gameplay, there was also a clue to the mole's identity hidden in each episode specifically for the audience.) I mean, if you were really hardcore about figuring out who the mole was. *cough* Not that I was or anything. *cough* :shy



I really loved The Mole a lot! A lot lot.



Until...Corbin Bernsen. Corbin Bernsen? :wtf



They ruined a wonderful show and destroyed my desire to watch it by tossing in those so-called celebrities. I use the term loosely, because...hello, Corbin Bernsen! Get real.



So, yeah, to wrap this up, this season of Survivor was a failure to the fans, except for those people who were just happy to have a few more months of Rupert, which is probably about twenty million people. Obviously a success for CBS and the Survivor franchise. But not something I ever want to see again.



Is it September yet?


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Re: Survivor All-Stars

Postby Krazy Dreamer » Mon May 17, 2004 4:21 pm

Quote:
”Supposedly, Jeff really thought Rob should have won and he seems to think Rob was an awesome player. :sigh Whatever. Rob played better than Amber (or Ambuh, if you like) did, I suppose, but...God...he's just such a bastard, I can't respect him. Not that I respect Ambuh, either, really.”




No offense to Jeff Probst fans, but Jeff’s an idiot. First of all, I doubt Jeff, himself would get very far if he were on the other side of the podium in the game of Survivor. Secondly, Rob was not a good player, and I’ll tell you why. Rob’s strategy caused a lot of bad feelings for his tribemates, and former friends. The majority of people who voted for Amber did so, not as a vote for her, but against Rob. I have yet to see this strategy work in any reality TV show. The closest I’ve seen this happen, was in Big Brother 2 with the evil Dr. Will. He was a brilliant player and very cocky, but he knew how to smooth things over, soothe the hurt feelings of people, and win their loyalty. Plus, he didn’t directly stab anybody in the back. He worked behind the scenes, stayed loyal to his alliance until they were all voted out, and then cozied up to the enemy faction, by telling them that they could always vote him out later since he was the most hated man in the house, or they could use him as a vote to further themselves in the game. He also made sure that he never won head of household, and let others do his dirty work for him. The other thing he did right was by flattering houseguests who had already been evicted from the house in the diary room. The point is that he made sure that by the end of the game he had worked out any trouble or bad feelings he may have previously caused. And he won the game with a vote of 7 to 2. But anyway, back to Rob. The other reason he didn’t win is because there were so many times during the game that things could have and should have back-fired on him. If he hadn’t been so willing to sacrifice his friendships, just to further himself in the game, they probably would have, but his tactics were so dirty and low that his friends didn’t think he was capable of turning on his back on them and on his word. So if that’s what Jeff considers an awesome player, then I think I’ll steer clear of Mr. Probst.



The other thing is that I have to disagree. I think Amber did play a better game than Rob, simply because she aligned herself with someone who played so down and dirty. Sitting next to the most hated person in the game at the end will win you the money nearly every time. (But don't tell that to Kelly from the Original Survivor Season One.) And also because even when it seemed all hope was lost after she had gotten separated from her tribe, she fought to stay in the game. She also had a large input in the decisions that Rob would make, acting almost as an advisor to him. This is a huge position of power as far as I’m concerned. I think it’s just that I’ve noticed that for some reason the majority of men have trouble understanding the more feminine subtle games that women tend to play. (No offense, guys.) This is one of the reasons that Sandra was so underestimated in the Pearl Islands, and probably one of the reasons she was not asked to play in the All-Stars, even though she won the game, and with one of the best strategies I personally have seen in any game. I enjoyed watching her ingenious game-play. Especially at the end when she pretended that she had given up on the game, and completely fooled Jon and Burton. That was classic. I just don’t think she got enough credit, but she did win the million dollars, so that’s what counts. There is a very good reason that women have won 5 out of the 8 Survivor seasons.



Quote:
“I hear you about how this seemed like those celebrity reality shows. I thought The Mole was actually the best of all these reality game show type shows… I really loved The Mole a lot! A lot lot. Until...Corbin Bernsen. Corbin Bernsen? :wtf


You got that right. I really miss the unadulterated versions of this show. It was great fun trying to figure out “Who is the Mole?” While I personally don't have anything against Corbin Bernsen, I didn’t really care who the Mole was in the celebrity versions. It was just a show of a bunch of ego-centric people who would try anything to get attention rather than play the game. They didn’t even seem to care whether or not they won. And why should they have? Didn’t their money go to charity or something? I did not watch a full season of either of these so-called “Mole: Celebrity” editions.





"Some men see things as they are and say,'why?' I dream things that never were and say, 'why not?'"

- Robert F. JFK

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