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OT: Beaten-up

Postby shootingstar » Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:27 am

I apologise in advance to the mods if this thread is inappropriate or might appear offensive (which I'm pretty sure it isn't) but I need to vent some serious aggression here.



Last night myself and my friends were victims of an attack, not because of race or religion but because of the clothes we wear and the 'title and the type of thing our people go by'. Those kittens who live in England will be aware of the terms 'townie' and 'greebo'. I'm not sure if the same terms are used in America or other countries but basically it's two different groups of people who listen to differnent music and wear different clothes. I do not condone these 'titles' in anyway but it's the only way I can convey why what happened to us happened.



As we were leaving to go home from a night of generally moping around the town we were set upon by a large group of 'townies' who told us that because we wear the clothes we do we deserved to be attacked and beaten up. One guy even went so far as to say



'If I see you wearing that **** again I'll beat the **** out of you'



The two of the guys I was with were beaten up and one of my best friends had her glasses completely destroyed. I've never been in an attack like this before but we consider ourselves lucky to have gotten away with little injury despite general bruises etc...



What angers me most is that we did nothing to provoke them. We didn't even know them, we'd never met or seen most of them. We just wanted to walk home but because we are 'greebos' over 50 people followed us into the street yelling abuse, physically harming us or watching it all happen. At this point I should probably point out that only ten of us were there (two guys and eight girls) and when the big groups came at least five got to safety. This pretty much meant it was five against a group I can barely even begin to descibe except to say the street was full of people. People who were of all ages from 15 their 20's and we are all 16. Most were probably watching but a large proportion where attacking us. Those who got to safety called the police and as soon as we managed to get out we also called the police aswell.



The hardest thing to live with now is that we couldn't do anything. We couldn't even protect ourselves. There were simply too many people. So we stood our ground trying to walk home as people hit us, and generally tried to piss us off. We asked why they were doing it, if they could just leave us alone but all they said was we shouldn't have been wearing what we were. We were hurt and to fight back would probably would have landed us in a hell of a lot of trouble not to mention the hospital. The situation could have easily gotten out of hand but lucky a few people managed to help us walk away.



For me I keep thinking that after all my training I couldn't protect my friend. I'm just thankful she wasn't harmed to badly and that most of us escaped with few injuries.



One thing I'm glad for is that not one of us fought back. We would let them get a reaction because that's what they wanted, a violent response. I'm also glad that the five people ran to safety and out of the four of us left only three were harmed and not badly. If those people had not gotten away I dread to think what could have happened.



I'm sorry for the rant but I was so shaken-up and pissed-off that I really need to get it off my chest and i figured kittens where the best people to talk to. Thanks for reading.



Love Laura x

***
'I know what it's like to want to die. How it hurts to smile. How you try to fit in but you can't. How you hurt yourself on the outside to kill the thing on the outside'
-Girl, Interrupted.

shootingstar
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby urnofosiris » Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:49 am

No one ever has to apologize for posting a thread. Sometimes we repost things if we think there is a more appropriate place for it, but that's no big deal. What happened to you is a big deal however.



I live in a relatively benign and open minded country, but a couple of times a year some of my countrymen or women will get senselessly killed for no other reason than that they got in someone's way, no doubt even more times people will get beaten up for exactly the same senseless idiotic reasons you have stated, if one can even call that reasons at all. It is really scary what some people are capable of. Ah the human race, how far we have come, their mommies and daddies must be so proud right about now.

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Tara: "uh Willow?"

Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later"
----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

Edited by: DrG at: 7/16/02 5:07:23 am
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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby La » Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:56 am

Laura, I'm really sorry that that happened to you and your friends. There are some messed up, mean people out there. I'm glad you got away without serious injury. Have some hugs (but not too tight in case they hurt any bruises!)



*hugs*

~La

You know you've been in Korea too long when you start packing to return to the U.S.

La
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby tommo » Tue Jul 16, 2002 6:08 am

Ah Laura, I'm sorry that this happened. I'm always sorry things like this happen. There's a part in Wilderness when Willow is trying to explain what humans are like. She doesn't do a very good job of convincing anyone that humans aren't beasts of destruction. I'm kind of feeling a little disappointed with the world right now.



Sorry for your experience.


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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Dave V » Tue Jul 16, 2002 6:18 am

I'm sorry that you all had to suffer such indignities. You mentioned your training. Sometimes it's hardest to just walk away. I'm so very glad that no one was seriously injured.

Dave V
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby bgfilly » Tue Jul 16, 2002 6:19 am

well its a shame that things like this have to happen. im glad that you got away with no serious injuries and i also have to say i have much respect to you that you didnt fight back it shows strength and courage sometimes fighting back only makes things worse. im sorry that this had to happen but im glad that youre ok

bgfilly
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Shinnen » Tue Jul 16, 2002 8:51 am

Sorry about what happened to you and your friends, Laura.... *big hug*



Sometimes people are really bigots. They think within a very small box that even a slight difference means it just wrong to them and they make people who think out of the box pay for being different/unique.





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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby ninjitsugrrl » Tue Jul 16, 2002 9:30 am

Laura, sorry to hear that happened to you but I am glad that you and your friends are O.K.

"What you held in your hand,/what you counted and carefully saved,/all this must go so you know/how desolate the landscape can be
between the regions of kindness.." - Naomi Shihab Nye



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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby ProducerEthan » Tue Jul 16, 2002 9:36 am

I'm not at all surprised that the people who felt they had to pick on you and your friends outnumbered you, Laura. It's a very telling tale when a stronger group overpowers another that can't defend themselves. A group 50 strong attacking a group of girls and singling out the guys, what macho overachievers (<--EXTREMELY sarcastic). In a sense it was a small example of human nature. Suppressing the minority. I wish you all the best in recovering both physically and emotionally from this event. It's very sad that the world can come to this. I'm very sorry and my heart goes out to you. Stay well.

ProducerEthan
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Tiggrscorpio » Tue Jul 16, 2002 9:56 am

First of all, Laura, I'm so sorry for what happened to you and your friends.



It's so sad to think we might always live in a world where people believe it is okay or even right to use violence against others, just because they are different. To me, this is another example of why what Joss and ME did this season is so harmful. They had a wonderful opportunity to educate and they just threw it away.



I hope you and your friends will be okay!

*****

She's my everything!

Tiggrscorpio
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Zahir al Daoud » Tue Jul 16, 2002 10:32 am

Despite what those ******* did, remember what you have here.



:love HUG! :love

"O Let my name be in the Book of Love!
If it be there I care not of that other Book above.
Strike it out! Or write it in anew, but
Let my name be in the Book of Love!"

--Omar Kayam

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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Hemiola » Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:04 am

They attacked you because of the clothes you were wearing????



I have no doubt that these brutes would get a similar thrill from attacking a group of Hassidim or Sikhs because of their "distinctive" attire.:(

Hemiola
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Mrs Vertigo » Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:32 am

This happened in England?! You were practically lynched!



Those *******!



Mrs Vertigo
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby morgan1707 » Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:46 am

I'm so sorry to hear what happened to your friends and yourself, Laura. It's awful to think that this kind of thing happens just because of your clothes.

morgan1707
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Gatito Grande » Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:19 pm

I'm so sorry, Laura. I'm glad you're OK (physically)---give our Kitten best to your friends too.



I hope you don't think these questions are insensitive, but I'm just trying to understand more. I'm an American (Yank), and those terms you used (in their context anyway) are unfamiliar to me. Is this a class thing? Rightly or wrongly, the British class structure is kind of infamous. Segments of the (male) working class, in particular, have quite the reputation for violence (football hooligans, skinheads and such). Is this clothing prejudice related to class?



I hope you understand that I'm not trying to be judgemental: God only knows the U.S. has more than its share of prejudice and violence. I think that economic class consciousness is actually a good thing: far too many American working-class people vote against their own interests. But when rational class interest spills over into irrational in-group/out-group violence . . . :(



Thanks for sharing your story, Laura, and I hope things go better for you and your friends from here on out.



GG Have you considered pressing charges? I don't know that much about the British legal system, either. Out

Gatito Grande
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Loco2 » Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:25 pm

erm, i'm really sorry about your experience. i am glad that none of you were injured seriously, but i know you must be pretty shook up. *gives sympathy*



um, why do people think this type of thing doesn't happen in england? today a group of nasty spiteful people got over a threat from a larger sibling and decided to start trying to fight with me on my way home again......these people really are the scum of the earth. it's terrible people (like you) have to deal with this type of thing. and especially when you can't fight back and it's like 10 to 1.



i'm really sorry, (and now mildly pissed, also)

steph

"Dr. Becker, have you seen the skeleton?" "What do you think I am, a skeleton thief? You want to search me?!"
"Oh, bugger off, you brolly!" - Anya to Giles on his use of the english language
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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby shootingstar » Tue Jul 16, 2002 12:53 pm

Hey everyone,



Thank you guys for all your kind words. It's good to know there are people who I can talk to about this sort of thing. Myself and my friends are glad we weren't hurt badly and now face the decision of whether to take this to court :(



I gotta say getting ganged up on like that is pretty friggin scary. The odds were not in our favour. I never even heard of stuff like this happening where I live, it's common knowledge here that the two groups don't mix but no-ones ever been attack just because of the *clothes* they wear. hopefully it's not the beginning of something bigger.



Gatito Grande, your questions are in no way insensitive.it's quite hard to explain the whole townie-greebo

thing 'cos it can sound really offensive but i'll give it a try. I'm just gonna give the basic sterotypical views



Townie: Into brand names in an attempt to keep up with the 'popular' crowd. Tend to wear really tight jeans and the blokes wear baseball caps. Listen to dance music, garage and pop.



Greebos: Wear big, baggy jeans and hoodies. Listen to heavy metal. Urm...have a rep for smoking pot for some reason.



I hope that's kinda clear?



Luv Star x

***
'I know what it's like to want to die. How it hurts to smile. How you try to fit in but you can't. How you hurt yourself on the outside to kill the thing on the outside'
-Girl, Interrupted.

shootingstar
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Willow Rocks » Tue Jul 16, 2002 1:49 pm

I am so sorry what u and ur friends went through and its a sad fact that this kinda thing happens all the time.



I hate that people are defined by what they wear and listen to. I have been described as a "townie" simply because i dress smartly (don't get me wrong i'm not saying greebos or moshers/goths as their called up North don't) even if i am just walking to the paper shop, though my friends, who are "townies" by choice, call me just jokenly, a mosher because i listen to skate, rock and grunge music and prefer boys who are moshers. Though i like girls whatever they dress like ;)

Willow Rocks
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby lurker » Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:39 pm

Poor you!



:love hug :love



I hope you and your friends get better soon. That must have been so scary for you all.



I send you all big hugs :love

lurker
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby LiangFeng » Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:22 am

My faith in the human race has been destroyed...not that it was even alive in the first place...Glad that you guys got out there without serious injury. It's really amazing how stupid humans can be, beating up people just cause of clothing. My friend got beat up three times last school year cause she wears guys clothes. Humans are pathetic. Dunno if I should mention that. American/English manners are new to me, sorry! Hugs for you and your friends. Hope you guys get better soon!

O-Mei Duei! JIA YOU!

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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Adelus » Wed Jul 17, 2002 7:10 am

Hi,



I'm full of admiration for you and your friends. What a terrible situation to find oneself in! It's very hard to keep cool while being so threatened.



You mentioned training. Do you practice a martial art? I myself practice tai chi. It's helped me to understand just how much tension we hold in ourselves, even when we feel relaxed. How much more so under stress! I'm glad you all got out of it okay, and I'm touched by your great concern for your friends.



Take care,



Adélus

Adelus
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby Grimaldi » Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:15 am

sorry to hear about you getting attacked. its really sad that there are people in the world who seem to enjoy doing stuff like this. obviously these were people who lack social skills and intelligence. there is no reason to attack someone, especially because of the clothes they are wearing, how they look or whatever else immature morons like those think that gave them the right to do that. glad that you and your friends weren't hurt to bad :)

Dude, we're surrounded by perverts!

Cross my heart, smack me dead, stick a lobster on my head.

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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby supermus » Wed Jul 17, 2002 9:08 am

We have stuff like that here, we call townies preps and we call greebos punks. But not punks in a derogatory sense, it's a connection to punk rock. And while I've never heard of preps attacking punks or vice-versa, I wouldn't be surprised, with all the animosity between them. Best wishes to you and your friends.

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"Any singer can shatter a glass with the proper high note, but the easiest way to break a glass is to simply drop it on the floor"

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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby hellmouthhottie20 » Wed Jul 17, 2002 11:02 am

Star sweetie,

iam sooo sorry to hear bout this. I know exactly how you feel, iam myself, what is for some reason known as a greebo, i prefer to say that iam an individuel to these people. They are small, narrow minded f**ks.

I myself was once attacked for walking throught the town wearing a metallica hoodie and my skateboarding trousers. Unfortunatly i was not as controled as you were (go you ;) ) and i fought back (i used to have a bit of a temper), this was the WRONG thing to do, two boken ribs and a trashed skateboard later and various brusies they got board and moved on,(probebly to their next victim) but not without leaving the threat that if i told anyone, they would "smash my dyke head in". Hence i have never even told my parents, and the kitten board is the first place that i have felt safe enough to admit this.



My point, well i guess that i dont really have one, only that you did the best thing by keeping your cool and not fighting back. You are brave and strong and so much better then those thugs.



Caz

x

Kelly-"They make you like,feed a tree before you feed yourself

Ozzy - how the F**K do you feed a tree? What do you do, put a ham sandwich on it! -Kelly Osbourne to Ozzy about hippy camp

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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby ally02 » Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:23 pm

I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you. This might sound strange but, my friends and I hang around next to a graveyard. Most of them are Goth's and some of them are Greebo's or Skaters we call them. Anway, one time there was about fives of us sitting around and the police came and searched us all. They never told us what they were looking for and they never found anything, they just thought we looked suspicious.



Another time a bunch of 19year olds started throwing things at us and then the police got involved. We told them what they had been doing but then the other group told them that we had knives and of course the police believed them because they looked "normal".



Also, we all got attacked one day by some 40 year olds who came out of a pub we were walking past. My friend also walked down the road and got punched in the face. Grrr sorry bout this huge rant it just makes me so angry and I wanted you to know your not alone :)



love Aly xxxx

"This whole us things is...bleh!" Willow to Xander in Lover's Walk

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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby xita » Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:38 pm

Geez, this is upsetting. Hate is hate and it's always wrong. I am sorry all of you guys have been beaten up over this trivial thing. I am american and I don't understand these terms too well or have any experience with them. There have always been groups of kids who dressed differently, I just hadn't heard of violence breaking out between them. I mean we have gangs, but often gangs look like each other, sometimes colors separate them but often there isn't that difference. I am familiar with that kind of violence, over territory and what not. This is upsetting and I hate to think this is some kind of trend. I am glad you are ok though, thank god for that.

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Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby dazed and confused » Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:55 pm

I am so sorry to hear that this happened. It was incredibly brave for you to have kept your cool. I agree that although difficult, it was the best thing to do in this situtation. I wish you the best in your physical and emotional recovery.



I have to admit I'm also a little concerned and scared. The theater I work for is sending a show to London and 10 or so of my closest friends are heading there this week, some for as long as 6 months. I am concerned because many of these people have never been to London before and will be running around the city without much knowledge of it. To me, they dress normally but apparently in England a distiction is made about you depending on what you wear. I am somewhat frightened for them as some of them have odd tastes in fashion.



Could some of the UK kitties give me an idea as to what parts of London are not as safe as others? They will be living in/around Camden/Kentish Town. Thanks! I'd like to give them a heads up if possible.

dazed and confused
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby shootingstar » Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:36 pm

I'm so completely overwhelmed with the response I've gotten here and I just wanted to thank everyone for their kind words. In way it's good to know that we're not alone. I'm sorry for anyone else who has to go through this.



Unfortunatly I have bad news. I found out that more of my friends were attacked the same night, in the same place. They were beaten up pretty badly. This time is was two guys and two girls against around twenty five people.



I've been practising kickboxing for about two years (although it is more of a hobby then a dedicated thing) and we were always taught not to fight back. And I now know why, it can make somethings a lot worse. I'd like to advise anyone who might face anything like this (though I hope no-one has to ) just walk away. Run if you have to. Just remember it's not worth it.



Dazed and confused: Luckily London although having a bad rep is not that violent during the day due to the amounts of people on the streets. However there are some places to be weary off. (Apologise to any kittens who may live here but this is just based on rep and experinces.)



Brixton tends to be very badly recognised for drugs and violence. One of my friends went there and was mugged twice in three visits. It is probably the least safe place if it's repuatation is true.



Soho: 'Nuff said. A lot of anti-gay crap here.



Central London is perfectly safe although be careful at nights.



Basically just be careful. Violence isn't that common in Lodon despite what people may say.



(Oh and Camden? Totally rocks! Great for shopping, has the coolest jeans!)



Luv Star x

***
'I know what it's like to want to die. How it hurts to smile. How you try to fit in but you can't. How you hurt yourself on the outside to kill the thing on the outside'
-Girl, Interrupted.

shootingstar
 


OT: Beaten-up

Postby SJ » Thu Jul 18, 2002 12:51 am

Sorry to hear what happened to you and your friends.

SJ
 


Re: OT: Beaten-up

Postby The Next Tara Maclay » Sun Jul 21, 2002 11:37 am

Oh my god, I am so sorry about what had happend to you.

The Next Tara Maclay
 

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