Other Lesbians in the Media

[stillflygrlop]

Hey,



I'm really sorry that my post came across as offensive. I didn't mean for it to sound that way, although in retrospect I can see how insulting it must be to femme types. It's just that I'm not used to hearing a lot of "out" stories about non-stereotypical women. Ok, there's really no gentle way to put my question. Please take it easy, I'm a confused lil girl who needs some guidance :-*(



*ingratiating hugs for everyone*

[Hyo Shin]

>There have been a number of models that have come out (Sophie Ward, Rachel Hunter for instance).



Rachel Hunter? I don't think she is gay. I think you are talking about Rachel Williams.

[xita]

Hey no problem, we are all here to learn. I think the best thing to do is not to hold any lesbian to a stereotype. And that means that you can't box in butch lesbians either.

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Childie -"Not all girls are raving bloody lesbians, you know!"

George - "That's a misfortune of which I am perfectly well aware."

The Killing of Sister George

[semiramis]

Oh, yes, I stand corrected, I did totally mean Rachel Williams, heavens knows what impulse prompted me to write Hunter. And there was another model who dated Martina for a while.

The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

[stillflygrlop]

Ok. I think, due to the irritation that I previously caused, that I should explain *exactly* what my statement meant. I didn't mean to box anyone in, regardless of how my post sounds. I have the typical "I grew up in a strict moral house...yada yada yada" story and always found it hard to express myself. Lately, (or should I say always) I've had more difficulty than usual in figuring myself out- especially since discovering the whole W/T relationship. Granted, I do have some preconceived notions about what lesbians are, all of which I'm trying to break free from. Hence the surprise about Portia. I just need to know about some more femme role models out there. A lot of times I feel like I can't be who I am because I (not other people) don't fit the mold. That's it. I feel like I'm the only one out there, even though I know I'm not.



In any case, the rest is just babble and it really doesn't go in this thread. It's probably more appropriate for "coming out issues," but I thought I'd clarify my faux pas before I step on anyone else's toes.

[semiramis]

Ah, now if you are looking for femme role models, I'm sure I can find some for you : )

The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

[stillflygrlop]

Hmmm....I think I'll take you up on your offer, Semiramis

[urnofosiris]

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Granted, I do have some preconceived notions about what lesbians are, all of which I'm trying to break free from. Hence the surprise about Portia.

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I used to have those too, in fact I am sure I am still not totally free of my own home grown preconceived ideas. I have to share a little uncollicited 'DrG gets confronted by his own prejudices' tale.



Once upon a time when I was almost finished with my medical training I was working in the infertility department of my university hospital. There I had met a lesbian couple who wanted to have a child so they came to the hospital for artificial insemination. They both looked, well, like they were build to last, big strong women with short hair and nice jeans. No surprises for me. Then a few days later I was interviewing would be parents on my own, and next up was another lesbian couple. I went out in the hall to call them in. I first looked around and I did not see them, so I called out their names, and voila, there they were, right under my nose, and I *had* seen them. They were both Portia DeRossis. That was like a lightening strike for me, and I really felt like an ass and it made me realize that I was indeed prejudiced, not a nice thing to discover about myself, but a great wake up call.



This board has been a haven for me. I have been able to learn so much about the GLBT community, and in turn about myself, and it helps me to explain myself and my own situation to others better than I would have been able to do without this place and the people here. Please stick around, live and learn, it's a process that never ends, at least not for me.

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Willow: "No dancing naked, huh?...It just won't be the same."

Tara: "That's all right, we can save it for later" ----From Wilderness, the newest WT comic written by Amber Benson and Christopher Golden

[Hyo Shin]

How about Violet Trefusis?





news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=...trall_dc_2



'City' Siren in Lesbian Sideline

Sun Aug 25,10:23 PM ET

By Robert Hofler



NEW YORK (Variety) - Kim Cattrall (HBO's "Sex and the City ( news - Y! TV)") and Martha Plimpton will play lesbians in the New York premiere of David Mamet's "Boston Marriage" at the Public Theater this November.



"Boston Marriage," which recently played the Donmar Warehouse in London, is a Victorian comedy about two genteel lesbians. Two seasons ago, Sharon Stone had been mentioned to star in a Broadway staging of the Mamet play, but that production did not materialize.



Other HBO stars are also spending their hiatus on the Gotham boards. Edie Falco ("The Sopranos ( news - Y! TV)") and Michael C. Hall ("Six Feet Under") are currently heating up Broadway with their respective shows, "Frankie and Johnny" and "Chicago."

Edited by: Warduke at: 8/26/02 8:56:22 pm

[mollyig]

I used to have a terrible crush on Martha Plimpton.

Adding up the total of a love that's true, multiply life by the power of two
Indigo Girls

[mscheckmate]

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I'm really sorry that my post came across as offensive

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Darn it, stillflygrlop, I was so offended that I just about poked my eye out with the mascara brush.



Seriously, stick around for a while. This is a very supportive place for young people who are questioning or are just starting to come to terms with their sexuality. It's also a diverse community, and by hanging out here you'll learn that we're all unique individuals.

Xander: "Tara, nice axing." Tara: "My first."

[Benet1019]

I saw Boston Marriage about 2 years ago at Harvard with Rebecca Pidgeon and Felicity Huffman. It is more a "Mamet" play than a lesbian play. There is very little affection between the main characters - they spend more time trading bon mots than anything else.



Don't get me wrong - if you like Mamet, then you will enjoy the play, but if you're looking for a lesbian play in the manner of Blue Fish Cove or Her Aching Heart, then you may be disappointed.



Just my $.02

[stillflygrlop]

I think I will hang around for awhile. After my first post, I was pretty much saying "oh jeez, walking on eggshells here," but now that the misunderstanding has been cleared up, everyone's really nice.



Oh, btw, DrG....what happened to you is probably something that would happen to me

[semiramis]

oh, my idol.......poor sad lost woman.....



As for a list of beautiful femme lesbians, other than Portia and her girlfriend, and the other models I remembered - Sophie Ward (if anyone remembers the incredibly beautiful blonde model in the Roxy Music Avalon video - that was her), Rachel Williams, the model who dated Martina - Hunter Reno. I'm sure there are others (and even some non models : ) ) just cannot think of them right this second.

The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

[Hyo Shin]

Sophie is a 'non model'. She is an actress. Have you seen A Village Affair?

[tommo]

Yes, but that was depressing to a large degree. Although I do have a horrid crush on Kerry Fox. She's yummy. Preferred her in Shallow Grave though. And it wasn't too long after doing this that Sophie Ward came out. She seems really happy actually and she's a good role model; she's got kids and everything.



I also have a real "thing" for Kim Cattrall. Don't ask me why, but I just do.



Incidentally, anyone wanting to read more about Violet Trefusis should read a biography of her and her mother. It's really fascinating reading, considering that they lived in luxury at a time when a large percentage of the population lived in poverty. And this life that they lived, it was almost dreamlike; doing whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted...but the book does detail her affair with Vita Sackville West and makes for interesting fleshing out of the whole thing.

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Here to help. Wanna live.

[Hyo Shin]

Yes, it was depressing. But nobdy died in the movie.



Do you want to see a really depressing ending? Here is an early version of Seeing Red.



www.planetout.com/pno/kio....html?1094



Twice a Woman



(1979, Netherlands)

Director: Sluizer, George



One of only a handful of feature films about lesbians, this 1979 Dutch production has the traditional, obligatory "tragic ending"; however, it delights us with sensuous photography, a well-drawn lesbian character, and a minimum of ridiculous lines. True, it is a story of white, upper-class art and theater devotees who are enticed by the nether world of youth, seduction, fecundity, lesbianism, and the lower classes; it still manages to feed our hunger for some decent and positively portrayed lesbian sensuality and sexuality along the way. Bibi Andersson is marvelous as forty-year-old Laura--a museum curator, divorced from Anthony Perkins. She purposefuly and quite out of character (unless we consider the contradictions of our own lives) picks up young (we are never sure how young) Sylvia on the street in downtown Amsterdam. Sandra Dumas as Sylvia is a blaze of sexuality who dispenses with social niceties within her first three lines by suggesting to Andersson that they go to bed. Prepare to hold your breath with anticipation in the ensuing scene which is cut too soon.



There are some tasty surprises of irony, but alas, it cannot last. Perkins enters with his villainous scowl ?la Psycho and shoots pregnant Sylvia with his big gun because obviously he could not keep her with his little one. Fortunately, this occurs in the last ten minutes--so relax, and enjoy till then. Director Sluizer signals to the Hitchcock cultists in the audience with two stuffed birds on the mantle in the final shot.

Edited by: Hyo Shin at: 8/27/02 6:42:06 am

[semiramis]

I've seen Village Affair, but spent most of the time just drooling over Sophie. I've had a thing for her ever since the "Avalon" video. I think she came out around the time that "Evita" was released (which she was in) because there was talk about her coming out eclipsing Madonna's big premiere.



I'd also completely recommend the Violet Trefusis biography which from memory is called "Mrs Trefusis and her daughter". Certainly makes you feel very sorry for Violet, despite all the wealth and apparent glamour.

The longer I live, the less I resemble the rest of humanity
Violet Trefusis

[tyche]

Wasn't sure which thread would be most appropriate for this article - I chose this one b/c the article mentions several 'missing in action' women directors of films with lesbian characters and/or themes.

Anyway, Salon have an excellent article about the difficulties women directors face in getting projects off the ground:

www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2002/08/27/women_directors/index.html

I was also thinking that it would be a real shame if Amber never gets to direct another film. Anyway, the article is definitely food for thought, especially concerning the way that Hollywood marginalises women's voices.

[Willow] should have taken time out for a few minutes to slowly torture Xander for sounding like a Hallmark card on crack. - My fiance's review of the 'yellow crayon' speech.

[xita]

Bravo will be running a 10 part series on gay weddings that resembles A Wedding Story on TLC.

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Gay Weddings

Bravo Original Series. The bickering bridal couple. The meddling in-laws. The last minute disasters. One of the most stressful events for any couple planning to tie the knot is compounded for four gay and lesbian partners in this eight-part documentary that follows their pre-wedding trials and triumphs.



Monday, Sep 02 @ 10:00 PM







Additional Show Times:

Mon, Sep 02 10:30 PM

Tue, Sep 03 1:00 AM

Tue, Sep 03 1:30 AM

Tue, Sep 03 10:00 PM

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TV Guides says

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Gay Weddings

30 min.

Debut: Four gay and lesbian couples from California prepare to say “I do” in this series, which chronicles their preparations for the big day.

The couples are: Harley, 29, a salesperson, and Scott, 32, a consultant; Lupe, 32, a marketing professional, and Sonja, 39, an ER supervisor; Gregg, 35, a travel-company VP, and Dan, 37, a Hollywood studio executive; and Eve, 30, a student, and Dale, 32, a lawyer. In the opener, they sort out guest lists, search for places to hold their ceremonies, pick out rings and shop for wedding attire. But at least one of the couples faces disappointment: Dale and Eve learn that Dale's siblings may not come to the wedding.











Rating: TV-PG

Content: Suggestive Dialog, Explicit Sexual Situations

Category: Reality TV

Release Year: 2002

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Childie -"Not all girls are raving bloody lesbians, you know!"

George - "That's a misfortune of which I am perfectly well aware."

The Killing of Sister George

[Hyo Shin]

Wanna see a crazy lesbian axe murderer?



us.imdb.com/Title?0210382

www.movie-list.com/w/weightofwater.shtml

[Killin Joke]

Hyo Shin, I've actually read the book that movie was based on a couple of years ago. It's called "Twee vrouwen" (Two women) by Harry Mullish. My mum got it as a gift, together with a couple of other pockets, written by famous Dutch writers. Imagine my surprise one of them was centred around a lesbian relationship... My mum has the habit of buying books, but she hasn't got much time to read them, so I gather I'm probably the only one who read that particular one at home. Anyway, I didn't know they made a film about it. Thanks so much for the info

[stillflygrlop]

This is kinda ironic (for me), but Portia de Rossi is starring with Dean Caine in a tv-movie called "The Glow" on Friday at 8PM est....I believe it's channel 5 (Fox). Enjoy!

[Zahir al Daoud]

I called up Anne Rice's phone number yesterday (its public--504-522-8634--and she leaves messages for fans) and she mentioned The Witching Hour is being made into a 12-hour-miniseries. I don't know if it'll come out in the series, but an important character in the book is a gorgeous young flapper in the 1920s. In the second book we find out she had an affair with lots of girls, including a cousin whom she kinda seduced on a trip to Venice.



Don't know if this will end up anywhere on screen, but maybe. It'd be fun. Anne Rice is evidently involved in this production, so its far more likely to be gay-friendly.

"O Let my name be in the Book of Love!
If it be there I care not of that other Book above.
Strike it out! Or write it in anew, but
Let my name be in the Book of Love!"
--Omar Kayam

[tyche]

The Observer mentioned this show in their autumn preview today. (Sadly, the online version doesn't include the photo from the print version of Keeley Hawes and Rachael Stirling in corsets, or I'd link you to it.)

Anyway, here's the blurb:

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TIPPING THE VELVET



A new season, a new naughty Andrew Davies adaptation - this time of Sarah Waters' acclaimed novel Tipping the Velvet. Set in the 1890s, it tells the story of Nan Astley (played by Diana Rigg's daughter Rachael Stirling) who falls in love with Kitty (Keeley Hawes), a popular male impersonator and music-hall star. The two are a double act both on and off stage, until Nan eventually becomes sex slave to a wealthy and predatory widow, Diana Lethaby (Anna Chancellor). The three-part drama, to be shown on BBC2, is every bit as racy as it sounds, with 'breasts everywhere' according to the smoky-voiced Stirling, who at 24 carries off a demanding role (she appears in almost every scene) with an assured feistiness that, just maybe, she carries deep in her genes.



Tipping the Velvet starts at the end of the month on BBC2

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Oh, and also for UK people: Channel 4 is showing Bound at 12.20 am next Saturday.

[Willow] should have taken time out for a few minutes to slowly torture Xander for sounding like a Hallmark card on crack. - My fiance's review of the 'yellow crayon' speech.

[tyche]

My paper's film critic saw this at the Venice Film Festival, and had this to say in his review:

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Festival openers are often disappointing, and sadly, Julie Taymor's Frida was no exception: an earnest biopic of Mexican artist Frida Kahlo, starring Salma Hayek. Taymor allows herself some enjoyable fantasy sequences based on Kahlo's canvases, balanced on the cusp of dream and nightmare. But there are some very ropy, self-congratulatory cliches about the artist as primitive creator-destroyer, and scenes showing "artists" doing their full-blooded drinking, dancing, brawling, arguing lustily into the night about socialism, and having lesbian sex, sometimes apparently all at the same time.

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Hmm. I know that Frida Kahlo died fairly young, so I wonder if this'll be another example of the cliche. Or maybe it'll be another example of the other lesbian cliche: a character has affairs with other women to show that they're 'exotic', artistic and free-spirited (before sprinting off back to boystown.)

Anyway, the original article is below:

film.guardian.co.uk/festivals/news/0,11667,785369,00.html

[Willow] should have taken time out for a few minutes to slowly torture Xander for sounding like a Hallmark card on crack. - My fiance's review of the 'yellow crayon' speech.

[xita]

It's hard to say though cause this is a true life story, we can't make it a happy one I love Frida and her work and I really hope they portray the physical pain she endured and the way that came out in her work. Frida was very complex but I would not consider her gay. I don't think she would either. As far as relationships, the one with Diego Rivera. Anyway, I look forward to seeing this. We'll see how it turns out.

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Childie -"Not all girls are raving bloody lesbians, you know!"

George - "That's a misfortune of which I am perfectly well aware."

The Killing of Sister George

[Killin Joke]

I've got a question... (Sorry to interrupt the intriguing stream of information -> I only hope all those films/series will make it on my screen some day)

They're gonna air "Queer as folk" here tomorrow: the American version, on a more commercial channel whom I totally love, since it's got all my favourite shows, like Xena, Buffy, etc.

They already showed the UK version on a more quality/alternative channel, but due to pretty whack hours I always forgot to watch (saw a couple of scenes, though: not enough).

Anyway, I was wondering if some Kittens have already seen it, and if there are any cool lesbians portrayed in it... Worth watching, taping or should I just stick to my W/T goodness for as long as it lasts this 6th season ?

"for beauty is a witch against whose charms faith melteth into blood." (Claudio in 'Much Ado About Nothing')

[Rally]

The lesbian couple in QAF are Mel and Linz, they are not so bad in season one, in season two they become the comic relief couple for the show. In general they are token couple that are often mocked by both the show and their gay male counterparts.



That being said, I still watch the show and support the show and heck enjoy the show. Because at least its something, and I get Showtime for free.

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Well officially, of course, I have to say that I have no idea what you're talking about.

[kpmuse]

Has anyone caught Gay Weddings on Bravo? Thanks Xita for the FYI .

Kristine

Tara & Willow Love Forever