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Re: Thanks

Postby SJ » Tue Sep 30, 2003 3:01 am

That's okay :)

Hope your move goes smoothly :)

Take Care!

SJ
 


Re: HELP?!!

Postby Aquarius Dreamer » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:33 pm

Wow! You're really brave for doing that! I'm only out to a couple of my friends.



p.s. sorry about the high school advice! It was better for me anyway...:blush

"When I was four years old they tried to test my IQ, they showed me this picture of three oranges and a pear. They asked me which one is different and does not belong, they taught me different was wrong."

~Ani Difranco

Aquarius Dreamer
 


Re: HELP?!!

Postby Tempest Duer » Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:32 pm

That took a lot of guts to do. Congratulations.

Choosing not to decide is still a choice.

Tempest Duer
 


Yaaaaaaaay

Postby Nikkii » Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:09 pm

Hehe just met Gemma! YAYness! it's alllll good :D

Nikkii
 


Re: Arrgh, frustrated

Postby Chameleon girl » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:03 am

Hey everyone, I'd better do this before I lose my nerve! (god, I feel like a tool:wink )

I'm pretty much horribly confused about the whole "am I gay?" thingy and have been for a couple of years now. When I was in primary school I guess I sortof had crushes on guys, but then primary school was mostly hell for me so I don't know if I can draw any conclusions from that experience. In high school I started to get crushes on girls, and i'm not quite sure if that has anything to do with the fact that i'm going to a girls school, so hey. I desperately want to talk about it with my friends but there doesn't seem to be a chance in hell of that happening cause i'm bloody well terrified of all the "what if's". The fact that i've fallen in love with one of my best friends and she is obviously so straight and has a boyfriend isn't helping all that much (but doesn't it always seem to be the way, damn it!) I know I have to move on and let her go and all that crap so don't give me that:p .

And like when i'm with my group of friends they'll sometimes make these gay or lesbian jokes or the girl I like will say "that's so gay" and i'm thinking like: what's so gay, why, is that a bad thing to you?

And of course i'm laughing along with the jokes and they'll ask me if I think that guy is hot and I go yeah, sure, so i'm kinda digging a hole for myself and I don't want to lie to my friends, especially one of my best friends because we're really close and we kinda click and understand each other and our strange jokes which only we get (oh, this isn't the girl I like, sorry this is getting confusing and way too long but hang in there with me). But yeah, i'm almost certain she'd be alright with it, only i'm a little too scared at the moment.

And today right, some of the girls in our group were talking about how they love having gay guy friends because they're so cute, and they're talking about them like they're some kind of ultimate fashion accessory and i'm thinking, OMG, these people are completely void of any brain cells. One girl says she loves having gay guy friends but she just couldn't have any lesbian friends. It kinda makes me glad that i'm not close to those people, but doesn't make me feel all that comfortable.

I'm not sure i'm gay, but I definitely know i'm not straight (as someone said very cleverly earlier) and I can honestly only picture myself with a girl. I would really love to be able to figure this all out before I turn 18 but life's not that bloody simple, now is it!:angry

I know my mum would be fine with it if I told her but i'd rather not tell her because oh, the uncomfortable tension factor of that little talk, so i'm thinking not for a while yet, if ever. My dad i'm not sure of because he lives in another state, but I know he loves me so it's all cool.

Um, yeah... thanks heaps for listening (or reading I should say) to my extra long rant. Feels good to get that off my chest. Aaah, scary, now I have to actually post it. Alrighty then, ttfn.:peace



"Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."

Chameleon girl
 


Re: Arrgh, frustrated

Postby maudmac » Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:45 am

Hey, Chameleon girl. Congrats on posting that! I know how scary it is to be in the closet around people who have nooooo idea you're gay. If they only knew how often they're sticking their feet in their mouths right in front of you. :spin



I think falling for a straight girl in high school is some kind of lesbian rite of passage. I did it and I think just about all of us did, so you are definitely not alone.



It's good to have someone you can talk to face-to-face about this. I came out to my closest friends when I was a senior in high school and it felt like the world had been lifted off my shoulders once I started telling them. But...I would say that if telling your friends is probably going to make your life worse, it might be a good idea to be very careful who you tell or hold off until you're out of school maybe? Or maybe just tell your mom and see how you feel about that. That would give you someone to talk to, certainly. And hopefully that's the someone who would be most supportive, right? Sounds like she would be. But, yes, it is awkward telling parents, I think. My mom was one of the last people I told in that first round of coming out. (Because it's a process and you really do have to continue coming out for the rest of your life. It gets a lot easier the more you do it, I've found.)



It depends on so many things; there's no right thing to do in your situation. All I can say is that a lot of us have been where you are now and I think you're going to be okay, no matter what you decide to do. Also, you don't have to make some kind of big decision, now or ever, about whether you're gay or bi or what. You might come to realize later that you're gay. Or you might always like guys, too, even if you lean toward women. It's okay to be confused about all this. I know it's not fun, but it's part of figuring out who and what you are. I think it's great that you're that aware of yourself and the attitudes of the people around you.



You'll know when the time is right - you'll feel it in your belly and you'll just know. Of course, we're always here to listen and cheer and wave rainbow flags for you. :pride


I have often been adrift, but I have always stayed afloat.    --  David Berry,  The Whales of August

maudmac
 


Argh frustrated

Postby hells bells » Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:03 am

Hey Chameleon,



kudos to you and having the nerve to actually saying that all out. High school's a bummer in terms of being gay and having to come out to everyone....especially when your clique of friends seem slightly homophobic lol. but hey soon you'll be done with HSCs and you can be out in the big bad world. :)



*hugs*



Hells.



:pride



Edited by: hells bells at: 10/27/03 4:05 am
hells bells
 


High school

Postby 3peanuts » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:46 am

High school was real crap for me...they treated me like a monster, made me feel uneasy, and casted me away.



You know what? It's passed. Now I am beautiful, happily lesbian with a wonderful gf, lots of gay and het friends, almost a lawyer...



My mom always says: "If it doesn't kill you, it'll make you stronger."



It's not fair.



"I like Amber Benson 'cause she's a proletarian" Sarabiga

Keynes was right

3peanuts
 


College "experimentation."

Postby sprhrgrl » Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:35 am

Yay for almost lawyers. . .



As for Chameleon girl, what I did before I was able to come out was establish myself as an ally. I talked back to the people who said "that's so gay," reminding them that gay people were too. Through that you can gauge their responses and still help out.



So my issue:



I am a hardcore queer/trans activist. This has been established time and time again with everyone I know - even with the college kids I've been with for only a month.



Scary times come, then, when (bum bum bum) I like a boy.



This is cool, you know, I've liked boys before - I am out as bisexual more and more places (see the Inward Eye for my bi poem), and am coming to use the term 'pansexual' in order to include more and more people. But it's been so long since I've like a *boy* who is *straight* who *might actually like me back*. And so I'm scared and nervous out of my mind and oh so very queer. I keep mentioning to my roomates how funny this is, but they don't see the humor or offer me the support they don't realize I need.



everyone's a super kid


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara (Dead Things shooting script)

A muscle cramp? in your. . . pants? - Tara (Older & Far Away)

Edited by: sprhrgrl  at: 10/30/03 1:37 am
sprhrgrl
 


Re: College "experimentation."

Postby Gatito Grande » Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:13 pm

O Praise for Polymorphous Perversity! :pride



No advice from me, sprhrgrl. No "Me too" . . . just unwavering support. Go for it! :applause



GG who gets a vicarious thrill when someone "walks on the wild side" . . . *whatever* constitutes a wild side for a particular person. Life's Too Short Not to Try It! :banana Out

Gatito Grande
 


doo da doo do do do do

Postby sprhrgrl » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:48 pm

shaved her legs and then he was a she?



It's been a while since I haven't gotten a "me too" from you, GG (grin). . . But yeah, I'm also really scared of rejection. Always have been, but now it's laid on really thick. So I don't know.



everyone's a super kid


Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara (Dead Things shooting script)

A muscle cramp? in your. . . pants? - Tara (Older & Far Away)

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Arrgh, frustrated

Postby sfgo2003 » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:18 pm

Hey Chameleon,



High School sucked for me. I also went to an all girls school and because of that fact alone, it was labled the dyke school and the whole notion of homosexuality was very much taboo. So, I totally get where you're coming from there. And...I had more crushes on my friends than I can count. I had my first, and only, high school girlfirend in 9th grade; but she spilled the beans to her mom and her mom yanked her out of school immediately. I never saw her again. I didn't date again until college.



I came out for the first time to my best friend my senior year, and it was a HUGE relief and it got easier and easier each time after that. It's hard, and unhealthy, to keep things inside, so I encourage you to tell someone as soon as you feel comfortable doing so. Also, I promise it will get A LOT easier when you get to college.



Hang in there!!! You are NOT alone!!!



Wendy



:pride



Faith: So, Willow's not driving stick anymore!





sfgo2003
 


Confused

Postby Spot » Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:09 pm

Okay, I have to post this now, because if I don't I'm not going to be able to. This is gonna be a really long post, cuz I need to get this out, even if I feel really weird writing it. I just hope I can say it right…

Ok, here I go.

I’m 14, I live in California. I just got into Buffy like 6 months ago, when I watched the first two episodes of season 4 on Fox reruns.

Somehow I missed a whole bunch of things in the middle, mostly because I wasn’t obsessed like I am now, and when I came back, it was somewhere around Hell’s Bells. I wish soooo badly that I had paid more attention to what I thought when I saw the W/T relationship then. I know I thought it was sweet and that it didn’t bother me, but I also know that when they kissed, the get-back-together Tara-in-leather kiss at the end of Entropy, I didn’t watch, I looked away from the screen. Ahhh I hate that now. When I didn’t watch, it was more of a weird reaction than anything else, because I’d never actually considered the prospect of me being gay before, and it was just a ‘this is what I should want to do’ thing.

Anyway, when I watched the end of season 6, I was really upset, even though I didn’t really know Tara as a character that well yet, because I had liked her in the episodes I’d watched.

Then they started the whole series over on Fox, because season 7 had only just ended on tv, and they weren’t allowed to show the reruns yet, but I was having doubts about watching season 7 anyway, so I didn’t really care.

Anyway, I didn’t actually see Hush, because I actually had all the time I spent watching Buffy limited, because my parents were getting concerned that I was too into it (it was on 2 hrs a day, I watched it)

I did see A New Man though, and I got really interested when Tara came on, cuz it was a real surprise and I was like ‘cool, this person was good when I saw her before.’ Anyway, after that I started watching hard-core again, like not missing a single episode, and taping the ones that were on. I started rewatching all of the W/T scenes over and over… but I actually didn’t think anything of it, somehow totally thought I just wanted to see how the whole thing was handled and brought out into the open. Then I got kicked off of Buffy… again… and bribed my brother into recording everything from This Year’s Girl to NMR.

While I couldn’t watch anything, I started looking up stuff on the internet (I was completely clueless, didn’t even know about fanfic) and then I was babysitting these kids across the street one morning, and while they were still in bed NMR came on. I watched it, didn’t get caught and stuff, but then I couldn’t get it out of my mind.

So when I went home, I looked up Willow and Tara online, and found… well lots of stuff. I actually didn’t find this board until like 2 or 3 months before I first posted, but I found an author’s W/T fanfic on their website, and started reading it.

I was really intrigued with the thing (it was behind the scenes of canon season 4) and how Willow and Tara could progress from friends to more…

Anyway, I was reading it, and I got this whole (okay, this is gonna sound SOOOO corny) jittery feeling in my stomach, and it was the scene in Who Are You, where Tara says “I am you know… Yours.” And Willow walked over to the bed, (behind the scenes part) and I was practically screaming at the computer scream “KISS HER!!”

And keep in mind, this entire time, for the like 5 days I’ve been obsessed with reading the fic (it’s long) I’m totally not even thinking about the concept of me being gay or straight, or bi, it’d never even entered my mind.

To make a long story short, she kissed her, and I had a, um, visual, and my heart was all pounding and I was sitting there thinking it was so sweet and getting shivers…

And then I realized what I was reacting to, and I kinda freaked. I didn’t go back to the story for a few days, just thought… but I couldn’t get it off my mind, so I kept reading, tried not to think about what I felt while reading the parts where they did more that kiss.

Then I started keeping this diary, which had started off about everything, but was basically now just about whether or not I was gay. I’ve had crushes on guys before, or actually only 3 guys, but still… but when I think about it, none of them were like I saw him and thought ‘oh, he’s cute, I like him.’ It was more along the lines of ‘oh, he’s nice. He’s kinda cute too. Funny. He’s the kind of guy I should like. I don’t have a crush on anyone at the minute. Guess I like him!’

Weird, I know, but it’s me.

Then, I think back, and I was always really weird with my best-friends. I met my cousin’s friend in 1st grade (ok, not a good example, I know, but it’s bugging me) and I really liked her. I was thinking that I wished I was a boy, so I could marry her.

The same thing happened with my best friend in 3rd though 6th grade. I wanted to be exactly like her, it was weird, like I thought she was some kind of god. Every single girl in my class was obsessed with this guy, Costa, in my 5th grade class, to the point where we all met at lunch ( I wasn’t really part of the club, it was more I followed her there and kinda watched, pretended to like him) and followed him, not exactly obviously, and counted the number of seconds he took to get a drink at the drinking fountain every day for like 2 weeks and averaging it out later to add to the club book… and I counted how many seconds my friend drank instead, because I wanted to know everything about her (yes I think I was slightly crazy in 5th grade, forgive me) (the ironic part of this is that my mom talked to Costa’s mom about a year ago, when she saw her at some store, and it turns out Costa had a crush on me for almost all of 5th grade, but didn’t say anything…

Anyway, there were other things, like I’d always (up until last year) wish that I was a guy, not because I thought ‘oh I could get a girlfriend,’ but for other things like getting to take my shirt off in public (that was 2nd grade, not last year), or not having to be the one to have a baby.

So then when I started writing little things, mostly from canon season 4, about Willow and Tara, I was really confused about whether or not I was gay. (still am)

So then I’d go to school, and think, ‘oh, if I was gay, I’dve had crushes on girls by now, or at least noticed something. But then I was all worried that I had, and just put it off as something else, or not noticed at all. So I started paying attention to how being around different people (guys and girls) made me feel, but the problem is that I’m so busy over-analyzing everything that I can’t know what I’m actually feeling and what I’m making up (I know that also sounds crazy, but it really makes sense if it’s happened to you.) I think that maybe I’m exaggerating the thoughts I had, lately or before, or actually making them up because I actually can’t decide whether I’d rather I was or wasn’t gay.

And that makes me think ‘hello, if you weren’t gay why would the idea of it almost appeal to you…’ and then I’m back to the W/T relationship and how sweet it is, and maybe I’m just projecting cuz I want the kind of love they have for each other with someone in the future… and maybe that’s the whole reason that I was drawn to it in the first place.

I also can’t talk to anyone about it until I’m sure one way or the other. If I tell my mom, or my dad, or my friends, then even if it turns out not to be true, there would always be that lingering doubt, especially with my best friend, who is currently trying to hack into my computer to find out what I’ve been spending so much time writing (aside from fic, I write A LOT of stuff that’s just like one scene things for me, or little diaries on here, and she’s started to notice…) and I have this thing on my webpage, it’s for school mostly, but I added a ‘Kitten links,’ page, which I didn’t put anything on because everyone I know knows about my website, and if they came here and found anything, I’d be pretty screwed. Anyway, she went on and saw it before I could delete it, and so now she is searching Google for “the kitten” and “the kitten stories” and stuff because she also knows that some of the stuff I am writing is fiction (she snuck up behind me about two days ago and read ‘Ch.3,’ which was in bold, before I could minimize it.)

But, back on subject, I kinda had to get this out, and there’s no one I can talk to about it at home, not yet at least, and so I’m finally posting this… but it still feels kinda weird.

And that’s not even going into the religious issues (I’m catholic) and other stuff… if I am actually gay at all.

It's hard to tell, because I'm only 14 and stuff, and haven't actually kissed anyone... ever... and so i don't really know what I'm actually feeling.

Anyway, I just realized exactly how long this was getting, so I’m gonna stop.

Any thoughts anyone has that you think might help would be really appreciated, but this was mostly just a thing I had to get out some way or another, so thanks for reading.

-michelle



"Love is giving someone the ability to destroy you, and trusting them not to."

Spot
 


Re: The Lesbian/Gay/Bi/Trans/Questioning/Issues Thread

Postby annabanana1302 » Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:54 pm

talk to your friend. it's better than your parents and I'm sure that the only reason that she wanted to find out was to help you get back to your normal life and stop with the stories.

:|

annabanana1302
 


Re: Confused

Postby Gatito Grande » Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:03 pm

Breathe, michelle, breathe. Take a load off. Take it easy. :cool



You're 14: you don't have to figure this stuff out this year, or next (or, if you're like me, ever :p ). Just relax, and enjoy all the cool people in your life, and slowly these things will work themselves out---whether you like boys, girls, or both. It's all OK.



If and when someone special should start to emerge in your life---someone who gives you the 'tummy-butterflys' or the 'down-low-tickle'---you'll have a ton of Kittens to talk about it with. Many of whom have been exactly where you are . . . well, a lot more recently than me! ;)



And if it should turn out that you like girls---and that's hard to talk about w/ the people around you---then you'll have Kittens to talk about that with, too. :pride



Just don't let anyone pressure you into making any kind of "decision" or statement of who your likes/dislikes are. There's no set rule about knowing these things---they just happen in their own time. Be proud of yourself that you're as aware of your feelings and options as you already are! :applause



GG 14: it only comes around once. The bad stuff will quickly be over, but the good stuff can last and last. Enjoy! :kiss Out

Gatito Grande
 


Am I or Arent I?!?!

Postby underurspell » Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:09 am

Well lets see. Where do I start?



Okay. I'm 18 now and in college. When I was 15, I got into a relationship with my best friend-- she was 14 at the time. We somehow just happened to go from being best friends to being lovers. It wasn't planned. It just happened. And yes, we had a sexual relationship. It was pretty serious for a while. and I think it actually lasted something like 14 months before I broke the whole thing off. After that, we didn't talk for a while. But somehow we later on got to be friends again, and now, she's once again my best friend. We never talk about that year we were together though. Its just a subject that's never discussed.



Since then, we've both been straight. She's in a steady relationship with a boyfriend right now, and I've had two boyfriends since I broke up with her. But here's the thing. Somehow, ever since we started being friends again, I can't help thinking about the time that we were more than friends. What's up with that? I'm definitely attracted to guys. Hell yeah. But at the same time, even though I hate to admit it. When I uh fantasize, its always girls that I think of. So that's kinda strange.



I figure I'm probably bi-curious. Am I right? I see myself getting married and I want to get with a guy, fall in love and have kids. But at the same time, I do get turned on by girls too. And I'm not opposed to the idea of kissing one.



Thoughts? Just looking for some insight here. Anything anyone can say will be greatly appreciated.

underurspell
 


Re: Am I or Arent I?!?!

Postby maudmac » Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:28 am

Hey, underurspell. It does sound like you probably are bi. Sounds like you know it, too. ;)



Whatever you are, or might be in the future, it's all good. All that matters is that you're happy.



You might find yourself moving more toward one or the other, women or men, throughout your life. Or you might be pretty much in the middle always, attracted to both. You might be more emotionally attracted to guys and more physically/sexually attracted to girls, and that might flip around at some point in your life.



Don't feel like you need to have a label to stick on your forehead so the whole world knows exactly what you are. I would say, if you feel like you don't really know what you are right now, don't feel like you have to figure it out yet. Just let your heart go where it wants to.


So up on your feet. Up on your feet! Somewhere there’s music playing.
Don’t you worry none. We’ll just take it like it comes. One day at a time, one day at a time.

-- "One Day at a Time" - John and Nancy Barry

maudmac
 


hmmm

Postby underurspell » Sat Nov 08, 2003 5:55 am

Ya know, I think you've got that backwards. I think I'm physically attracted to guys and emotionally attracted to girls.. then again... I dont know. Its all a little confusing right now... But here's the thing. I don't think I'll ever really let myself be bi because it just doesnt feel right. Its like somehow I feel as though this might be a phase. That once I actually get with a girl, I'm gonna realize its not what I want... Okay. Actually I dont know what I want right now. Like I said, I'm in a confusing place.

underurspell
 


Re: hmmm

Postby xita » Sat Nov 08, 2003 2:37 pm

I think it's alright to be confused, no need to make up your mind. Don't do anything that doesn't feel right, I think that's key. Fantasies mean nothing, you can fantasize about whatever you want, that doesn't mean that's what you want for yourself in actual life. Give your mind the freedom to go where it needs to go and in life don't do anything that doesn't feel right. For gay people and bisexual people being with the same gender feels right, inspite of the fear and inspite of our own homophobia. I would say never let fear stop you from being with the person you want to be with. It sounds like to me that you know that being with girls isn't right for you, if it's just your fantasies you worry about, let it go... because our fantasies are not our realities. Also , sexuality is a whole range, just because you are not opposed to kissing girls doesn't mean you have to sleep with one. Cut yourself a break, and feel your feelings, because that's the only way you'll ever figure out what you want.

- - - - - - - - - - -
"Hard work often pays off after time but laziness always pays off now!"


xita
 


Sticking Up

Postby jadeo0 » Sat Nov 08, 2003 10:29 pm

I'm a Christian, and have been raised to believe that homosexuality is wrong. I used to believe that when I was a little kid, but these days, things have started to change for me. I go to church, and every Sunday, the pastor there speaks about how homosexuality is wrong, and that Christians shouldn't stand for it. However, I feel the total opposite. It doesn't matter whether the person you're with is a girl/guy, but who you love.

I've had a lot of problems with Christianity's view of this and talked about it with friends, who all happen to feel the same. Is there a loophole here? I know I'm a Christian, and I know I'm straight, but how can I stand up for what I feel in a religious environment that is so against Gay Rights?

jadeo0
 


Re: hmmm

Postby underurspell » Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:25 am

That's definitely sound advice xita. But here's the thing. Im not so sure that I know being with girls ISNT right for me. I was with one for a year, and during that year, even though we both felt guilty about what we were doing, and like it was something to be hidden, our own secret, it DID feel the right. The biggest reason that led to our breakup was that we were afraid people might find out, especially since our parents started to get suspicious.



I guess my point is that, it doesnt so much as feel wrong as my mind unconsciously keeps telling me that its not right to feel this way. I know that's bullshit, since I dont believe its wrong to be bi or gay, but its just that one part of me thats holding me back.



Now am I making any sense at all here?

underurspell
 


Re: hmmm

Postby xita » Sun Nov 09, 2003 12:45 pm

You are making total sense. It's completely different to say, it's ok for people to be gay or bi, than saying it's ok for ME to be gay/bi. Like there a lot of parents who believe in gay rights but wouldn't want their children to be gay. And so the reason you may not think it is right is fear then? Cause that's a different issue. So you have to ask yourself what is it that you are afraid of? Parents? They never have to know, if you don't want them to. It's not easy to have expectations of how your life should be then have to battle with it maybe not being what is in the cards for you. I would say, really examine your fears, and try to think of how you could deal with them. You shouldn't let fear stop you from being happy. In the meantime, feel your feelings and study them. I will now agree with Maudmac now and say that you are probably Bi, that doesn't mean you have to act on anything, but that does mean that you'll always have those feelings inside of you, even if you let fear stop you from acting on them.

- - - - - - - - - - -
"Hard work often pays off after time but laziness always pays off now!"


xita
 


Re: Sticking Up

Postby Gatito Grande » Sun Nov 09, 2003 2:14 pm

jadeo0, it's perfectly justified to be a Christian and be for gay rights: perfect by the Bible, perfect by the model of Jesus. :pride



We have a whole thread devoted to Religion and Homosexuality, and I welcome you to join us there. However, as that thread is more (though not exclusively) about the fight for gay rights---especially in Christian churches---and not about the justification per se, I also welcome you to email me directly. I can hook ya up w/ the Real Deal. :smug



GG So that you can---if you so choose---talk back to your pastor in no time! (or maybe find a different church) :angel Out



Email: tgflux@excite.com

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Sticking Up

Postby sprhrgrl » Sun Nov 09, 2003 3:57 pm

I just realized that that was an angel smile, rather than a pancake-head or chef's hat smilie.



But yes, there are a lot of good gay Christians out there. I really appreciate all of the awareness GG's brought of them around here.

Sweetie, I'm a fag. I been there. - Tara (Dead Things shooting script)

A muscle cramp? in your. . . pants? - Tara (Older & Far Away)

I can scramble an egg, I won't eat it but I can scramble it. - Amber

sprhrgrl
 


Re: Sticking Up

Postby Yelowsub » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:16 am

jadeo0- I do not know what type of church you belong to, but I am evengelical lutheran. That means that it is run from the people up (unlike some religions that are run from one person and is then filtered down). I first want to say that I am very glad to hear a christian say that they do not agree with the teachings that homosexuality is wrong.



WHat I have done to become a gay right's activist in the church is attend meetings. I have gone to state wide meetings and even this summer a national meeting. At these conventions people come and propose ammendments to the church constitution. Anyone can talk about it and vote on it. At every meeting I have asked for an ammendment to add "bisexual and transgendered" after "gay and lesbian" in all of the ammendments. What is great is that each of those ammendments were passed. I feel so proud that I was able to do something to better my church.



I do not know if thtis makes any sense to anyone. I don't really know hoe to explain how these conventions work.



Depending on what type of church it is you can also ask your pastor if they can have somebody come to the church to lead a "human sexuality" lecture discussion.



This is the a short story about one of the ammendents that we had passed at the national youth metting this summer... http://www.lcna.org/lcna_news/lyo_ric.shtm



Edited by: Yelowsub at: 11/12/03 11:30 pm
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A little advice?

Postby QuietFear00 » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:48 am

Hey all

Ok, bare with me... there is so much going on in my head, i really don't know where to begin, or what i will write..



Well... from the beginning... i started to question a little while ago, and realising that my actions the past tend to bend towards.. being bent, heh. Anyways, i'm still in total confusion, when i suddenly find myself in a relationship with a woman. Am i being selfish? I don't want this to be an experimental relationship, b/c it just ends in pain. But, maybe it's not. Experimental.

I do have strong feelings for her, but the thing is, i still haven't worked out what i am, or who i am.



I've told 2 of my closest friends that i'm involved with a woman. That was no picnic. But they didn't freak. Yay. But, one i don't feel i can talk to, and the other goes to a different college so we hardly speak. I don't know anyone who is gay, and i don't know of any groups and such i've been reading about in here. I have no one to talk to.

Also, there are no books i can read or anything. This here place doesn't seem to be aware of same sex relationships at all!



Sometimes i feel like this is all wrong. Being with a woman is wrong. I'm wrong. It's not right.

Which isn't true.. but i keep going back to thinking like that.



I can't seem to say it to myself.. what i must be.



My friend asked me if i was gay or bi. I couldn't bring myself to the "Gay" word, so i just said... "Er.. the first one.." and then i got all confused. How do i know? I've only ever had one relationship. This one.



I DO love the person i'm with... I'm.. urgh.. I don't know..



Sorry about the longness of this.. thanks for letting me get this out.

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Re: A little advice?

Postby intricate mirage » Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:13 pm

Hey QuietFear00, firstly, welcome! Next.. relax :) Take it easy. I second TemperedCynic's comment, the MODs have placed excellent online resources that are worth checking out. You're a woman, and you being with another woman, there's nothing wrong in that. Absolutely nothing wrong. What you need is time, give yourself time to figure it out. There's no rush, no hurry to answer the question as to whether you're gay or bisexual or simply straight. However it turns out, be assured that it's ok. It's all good. And there's definitely nothing wrong with you. Take as long as you want and I hope you'll be feeling less frustrated about this matter soon. Drop me a mail or anything if you wish to talk or anything. The address is in my profile. Take care!

Cassie





Ask me if I loved you yesterday. I'll say 'Yes'

Ask me if I love you today. I'll say 'Yes'

Ask me if I'll love you tomorrow. I'll say 'Always'





Edited by: intricate mirage at: 11/15/03 11:15 am
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Re: A little advice?

Postby TemperedCynic » Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:29 pm

Welcome to the Kitten, QuietFear00.



There's no rush. Take your time to process your feeling. Since you are in a relationship with another woman, tell her what you are feeling and be honest with her.



The MODs have placed excellent online resources on the first page of this post, they're worth checking out. Also there are many wonderful Kittens who have sound advice for you. If you are ever in Kitten chat, I am there as often as my schedule permits and we can chat there if you wish.



There is nothing wrong with being gay. Believe that. And there is nothing wrong with you. Read, talk with other Kittens and friends you trust and search your feelings. There is no time limit, and there's no quiz.



Hope to see you in chat!


More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly. Woody Allen (1935 - )

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Re: A little advice?

Postby AshWeezer » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:42 pm

Ok, lets see, how do I start this? I know I'm at least bisexual. I love women. I've been with both a man and a woman, not at the same time lol but you know, 'been with' been with. Geez am I 12? lol.



When I'm with a guy, its like..I dont know..maybe I shouldnt compare that with being with a girl lol. I think I'm a lesbian but I dunno, like I cant be. My parents expect me to get older and get married and have kids. They know I'm bi or whatever but I cant be a lesbian. And when I'm with a guy, like afterwards he always calls me! And wants to hang out! But I feel really bad cuz I dont want to. I just feel no physical or emotional connection with a guy. Its so confusing.



Did anybody out there like just know they were a lesbian or did it take time to realize it cuz you were in denial? I think I'm in extreme denial cuz I've never, ever told anybody about this. Everyone knows I'm bi, well I live in an extremely small town so you know, everybody knows everybodys business.



I'm so confused but I feel a lot better like letting it out.



~Sheena~

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Been a while

Postby ambersagoddess » Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:13 pm

Hey all,



I posted in need of help a while ago, and those who know me now see how much better I'm doing. In the begining I was so confused, now, I love women and I'm okay with that. I'm in a relationship with another Kitten (Love you baby) And everything is going great. I recently came out to my mum and a lot of my friends know. My mum's been pretty bitchy, grounding me from anything she thinks made me gay (Amber/the Kitten/Buffy/ect.) And now I sneak on whenever I can.



To all the questioning Kittens- Hop in the chat, I'm always there- always. Well, almost. I get in as much as I can, which is a surprisingly large amout of time.



Thanks!



-Rei



Spero eorum amo donbit tu animus magnamus



Why yes, the rumors are true, I have patted the Great One's ass...

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