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Re: S4 DVD goodies

Postby Gatito Grande » Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:04 am

I'm not sure if I know of a heterosexual actor more involved w/ gay community than LL (last week, hosting the Pride Run in LA, next spring singing w/ the Seattle Men's Chorus). Lucy is One Righteous Babe. Love her. :heart (And did you see my post on the "James Bond" thread? Do take a look! ;) )



Re pregnant Lucy in the bikini: patience, Sweet Cicca, that's in S5! (Which I believe will be out on DVD in December, if not sooner). I wanna know if there was literally only one white, fringed bikini (that Lucy s-q-u-eezed into), or if there were two (particularly in light of the fact that LL was in that bikini on a magazine cover *last* year. Check it out! But must copy the link/open in new window to get it to work--- www.lucylawless.info/arti...-cover.jpg Drool rags not provided! :drool This cover won a design award: wonder why? :p )



GG Yes, I do rock. :eyebrow Yippie-ki-yay . . . I'm Recently Gay! :banana Out



Oh, and when I said "Add Thalassa to the 'Drop Xena for me, Gabrielle' list w/ Najara and Brunhilda" . . . I meant AFTER ME of course!!! :thud (Truth to tell, when/if I ever figure out/get bandwidth for an animated avatar, it will be ROC, from Lyre, doing that shimmy in the bikini :devilish I'm particularly fond of the "I Hope You Dance" music video---listed above---for including that scene! :drool )

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Re: S4 DVD goodies

Postby Cicca » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:48 pm

James Bond thread... If Lucy's involved I'll just die! :grin

I think she's great.

I'm seriously considering a road trip to Seattle to see her.

And yes, I'm familiar with Lucy in that bikini, but I haven't actually seen the cover shot. Yum!

So ROC shimmying in the bikini is your fave huh? Gab-A-GoGo!

I remember hearing something about the bikini but what exactly? I don't remember. :lol

Is there a hyphen in anal-retentive?

Cicca
 


Re: S4 DVD goodies

Postby Gatito Grande » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:26 pm

Speaking of DVDs, here's the release dates for S5 & 6: October 12 for S5 and February 9 for S6.



GG Maybe I'll be able to afford DVDs and player by October? Please? :pray Out

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Re: S4 DVD goodies

Postby Spikeizmine87 » Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:04 pm

:bigwave

Love xena!! I was just talking about Lucy and Ted in the spider man 2 thread.....so where WAS Lucy's cameo in the 2nd one?? Cause I adored the first one! With her little punk rock do goin on! Its very cool to see some cameos from them!

OK so I was watching the AMC channel the other day and there was a movie on with renne oconnor and i was wondering what movie it was, I havent heard much of her since xena ended, so I was wondering where i can find a list of her movies thats shes done....

ANd the series finale was on again yesterday on the Oxygen channel...joy.....everytime i see that i get a lil teary eyed....:tear

:pride

-Rose

This is the part where I say something witty and cool...........I got nothing!

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LL/ROC updates, and FIN

Postby Gatito Grande » Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:01 pm

Oh yeah, Darkman 2: The Return of Durant: that's a classic, ain't it? :p (Hey, at least Renee's character survived, which is more than you can say for Kim Delaney's! And on Renee's head: bad wig, or bad perm w/ extensions? Your call! :lol )



Unfortunately, Lucy wasn't in Spiderman this time around. Look for her next in a horror flick called Boogeyman.



And as for Renee? She just got back from Bulgaria, filming a made-for-the-Sci-Fi-Channel movie called Alien Apocalypse. It's a regular XWP reunion: co-starring Bruce Campell, and directed by (multi-XWP ep director) Josh Becker! It's supposed to be on Spring '05. (As far as a list of her work: have you checked IMDB? It's usually pretty complete)



As for FIN---also watched and loved again on Friday's Oxygen---I've said waaaaaaay too much about those eps, both on this thread and, just yesterday, here and here (as "JCF"). Love 'em, love 'em, love 'em---even when I hate 'em, I love 'em. :heart



GG The obsession lives on! :grin Out

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Female action stars are kicking the doors down

Postby Gatito Grande » Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:48 pm

[Heh-heh: maybe we should just rename this thread, "GG's XWP Yammerings," and get it over with? ;) ]



Pretty good article here, which includes the following:



Quote:
XENA



Who: Xena (Lucy Lawless) once led a band of outlaws in ancient Greece and now fights the forces of evil.



TV series: "Xena, Warrior Princess," 1995-2001.



Love connection: Trusty sidekick Gabrielle (Renee O'Connor).




:grin



GG Though be warned: show-which-shall-not-be-mentioned is also listed. Out





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Re: Female action stars are kicking the doors down

Postby KiwiAlcyone » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:51 am

Renee's making a movie for the Sci-Fi channel. It's called Alien Apocalypse and is in everyway a straight to TV, C-grade movie and the director himself said that it didnt in anyway do justice to Renee's talents. But I'm sure she'll still look gorgeous in it.



I wish they would just hurry up and get on with the Xena movie *Sigh*



:peace Alcy





Reality continues to ruin my life - Calvin and Hobbes

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Re: Female action stars are kicking the doors down

Postby WebWarlock » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:29 am

Don't worry GG, I love hearing about Xena.



Couple of things.



- Glad to see Wonder Woman on that list.

- So it mentions that one show, eh. The mention is minimal at best.



I was thinking today that a lot of Xena is like the Lesbian Cliche in reverse.



Take an evil, maybe insane, murderous woman and let her know the love of another caring woman and poof! she wants to attone for her past misdeeds and be good.

Of course till you get to the last episode of the series...



Warlock



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Re: Female action stars are kicking the doors down

Postby sam7777 » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:00 am

What I loved about Xena was that Gabrielle's journey became just as important as Xena's. It wasn't just about one person atoning for past evil but also about another person trying to do the good thing without turning evil. Gabrielle was as much a hero to me as Xena. Many times when she seemed to be unpractically kind, she actually solved the problem as during the battle with the horde. I'm an ol' trekker and I love the out of the box solution that isn't just lets attack them every once in a while. I also loved the humor in Xena and that is something the show never lost in some idiotic bid to be serious. Xena always had serious and relevant themes even within the comedy and the best musical ep in a drama bar none with people who could actually sing and well written story.
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Of course till you get to the last episode of the series...
Tim: Yep. Put me on the FIN was the dead lesbian cliche bandwagon. Hated that ep and it has prevented from wanted to watch Xena these past three years.



However, unlike the show that shall not be named, I can see myself enjoying Xena once again and renting the DVD sets. I've been checking the Oxygen channel so I can tape some of my fav funny eps like the one with the giant, the homage to groundhog dat and of course the killer musical ep. I taped over them afeter FIN but now I'm ready to see those again.

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I still see dead lesbian cliches

Edited by: sam7777  at: 7/20/04 10:03 am
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FIN, again

Postby Gatito Grande » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:12 pm

Alright, I know I'm never gonna get anyone who hates FIN to like it---that's a given.



However, I just want to argue the point that, while the ending of FIN is a tragedy, it's a *Classical* tragedy, not a cliche'd lesbian one. While of course XWP isn't literally (literature-ly) a Greek Classic, that is the heritage (besides all those comic book superheroes!) it builds on. And in Classical Greek Tragedy, the Hero often dies at the end. (in other literary tragedies as well, *cough*Shakespeare*cough*)



It killed (ahem) me that Xena died at the end---or, to be accurate, stayed dead---but there was *a* logic to it: a logic which was anything but homophobic, as it all-but-outed X&G, yet still insisted that they were (both) heroes.



Just asking one thing: if you haven't seen FIN recently (or maybe only once---and burned/taped over it---or maybe not at all), just try to watch it *as if* you were watching Hamlet or (better yet!) Romeo and Juliet. Watch it w/ hanky in hand, and know going in that while it's romantically sad, it's also sadly romantic. Sometimes a good sob-fest :sob can really warm the soul. :happycry



GG Well, it does mine. And I'm completely unbiased. ;) Out

Edited by: Gatito Grande at: 7/20/04 2:14 pm
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Re: FIN, again

Postby sam7777 » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:57 pm

GG: Sorry I can't agree with you. I actually saw FIN twice: the regular version and the expanded version on Oxygen. People have compared the death of Tara to "Romeo and Juliet" and while I see the tragic side (tragic stupidity), it's still the dead lesbian cliche for me. In fact many of the arguments you make for FIN were made for SR and ER. I simply don't agree. Tapert certainly saw the failings of FIN when he said that he never thought the tragic ending would make so many people hate a show that they once loved.



Unhappily romantically sad and sadly romantic is the usual fate of women in love in TV and movies. If they had as many happy stories as straights, there would be no dead lesbian cliche but right now most of the stories end tragically. Looking at Xena, ER, AMC and the show that shan't be named that's 4 out of 4 for unghappy endings in primetime. A sob fest is what we usually get when two women dare to love one another. I'm just tired of it. For me FIN was another example of the dead lesbian cliche which put me off Xena for going on 3 years now. I'm on a five year moratorium on viewing tragic lesbians and/or women in love in hopes that some day we will have a more realistic split between tragic and happy endings.



IMHO the best thing for Xena is a TV movie that invalidates FIN by ending with Xena back and her and Gabrielle together. That would warm my soul. You can find rumors on the possible Xena film here: The Xena Movie -- News and Rumors

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I still see dead lesbian cliches

Edited by: sam7777  at: 7/20/04 5:38 pm
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Re: LL/ROC updates, and FIN

Postby Anticoolsuperstar » Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:15 am

"Oh yeah, Darkman 2: The Return of Durant: that's a classic, ain't it? "



LOL GG! That movie was soooo terrible! Still, I rented it about a billion times and the guy at the video store started to look at me like i was on something whenever I'd rent it.



...ah, Xena. Just got seasons 1-4 on DVD (i can finally get rid of those worn out tapes i have) a few weeks ago and began to revive the old obsession i had with that show. Honestly, though, i must say that i didn't see much of season five (the "western" episode did it), but i did get to see FIN. Still not sure how i feel about that one.



ah but I will be getting seasons 5 & 6 when they are released.



...hmm...i wonder if the old fanfic sites are still up...



~*jen*~

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Xena fansites

Postby sam7777 » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:44 am

Quote:
...hmm...i wonder if the old fanfic sites are still up...
Jen: Some of them are still up but many are not being updated. Some that I iused to go to are:



The Australian Xena Information Page is still being updated regularily as is Tom's Xena Page and Xenite
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I was thinking today that a lot of Xena is like the Lesbian Cliche in reverse.
Tim: Agreed. I think that some of that is due to the fact they had many talented women writers. Check out the IMDB entry for Xena writers.



sam7777
 


Re: Xena fan(fic)sites

Postby Gatito Grande » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:48 pm

. . . or a talented out lesbian co-producer/writer, Liz Friedman. :kiss



When it comes to Xena sites, IMHO, there's AUSXIP (recently merged w/ ForeverXena), and there's everything else. I fall down and kiss the feet AUSXIP founding goddess MaryD. Truly. :bow (But don't forget Whoosh! though, occasionally featuring the works of lil' ol' moi :grin )



But Jen specifically asked about fanfic sites: ah, so many happy memories for GG! I rarely indulge anymore, but the pleasure---even when long-ago experienced---lingers . . . :heart



So, if we're talking XWP fanfic, we might as well start w/ AUSXIP's, The Bard's Corner: lots of the best-of-the-best is found here. The Athenaeum is a whopper that is updated constantly. Another biggie (not to be confused w/ a "toughie" ;) ) is found at Xenafanfiction.com. Do you like First Time Stories? Of course you do! Then please to check out Fade to Black, a First Time stories index.



So, what about what happened After FIN (about which sam and I will never agree, alas)? There are several places to check out this kind of fic (besides the big'uns above). Bards of the Xenaverse is dedicated to "FIN and Post-FIN fic." There are also what are called "Virtual Seasons" (that is, fanfic versions of additional seasons of the TV show). I believe that several different sites have these: here's one of 'em.



No list of XWP fanfic would be complete w/o a mention of "the Dean of all Bards"---the one who went legit (and wrote for the show!)---Missy Good. Love her or hate her (her work, that is: I'm afraid I went from the former to the latter---not because of her two eps, though), she's still the standard by which XWP fanfic is measured: her site is right here.



Hmmm: you know I'm not crazy about MG, but what do I---Nutball of Nutballs---love, you may ask? When it comes to Uber (I don't have to define Uber here, do I?), I simply adore Vivian Darkbloom: she's a scream! :lol Another Uber writer (of the "historical" variety) I'm really fond of, is Nene Adams (nee' "Bardwynna"): the woman knows her history, and makes it come alive (whenever, wherever).



GG Jen, that oughta keep you busy for a while! :read Out



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ETA: nothing to do w/ fanfic, but if you love XWP, Lucy Lawless, or just seeing that there's a popular entertainer whose heart is totally in the right place (esp. w/ our LGBT community :pride ), treat yourself to reading the transcript of Lucy's interview on This Way Out (and better yet, download the audio---available on that site. Lucy is her delightfully charming Kiwi self! :heart )

Edited by: Gatito Grande at: 7/24/04 12:28 am
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Re: Xena fan(fic)sites

Postby the kat whisperer » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:03 pm

Hey, just catching up with this thread again. Prepare for some miscellaneous rambling. :kgeek



Gatito Grande wrote:
Quote:
I wanna know if there was literally only one white, fringed bikini (that Lucy s-q-u-eezed into), or if there were two (particularly in light of the fact that LL was in that bikini on a magazine cover *last* year.




I believe that LL squeezed into ROC's stunt/body-double's bikini, not the actual one that ROC wore in Lyre, as the double was a bit bigger than ROC and Lucy wouldn't have fitted in it anyway. (Although Lucy did try to persuade ROC that it was her's). So there was certainly at least two bikinis at the time of filming, I've no idea where LL got the one she wore for the magazine cover.



Lucy certainly looks fine in the bikini, as does ROC, but I must say that for sexy dances in skimpy costumes, it's Gabby's dance in Who's Gurkhan that gets me every time. I usually stop breathing and pass out when watching that. :thud





Moving swiftly on to fanfic, I'm currently reading as many Mel/Janice stories as I can get my hands on. I didn't really like the characters that much when I first saw the ep The Xena Scrolls but recently (and I can't even remember why) I started reading one or two and got hooked on them (I actually like M/J fanfic better than X/G at the moment). My favourite M/J authors being Vivian Darkbloom and Enginerd, as well as DJ Belt, Yellowjacket and Bat Morda, among others. :bow



I've even gone back and viewed The Xena Scrolls a couple of times because of my interest in M/J fic, and I certainly like it a lot better now. I must say, if you want kick ass entrances just look at Dr Janice Covington's at the beginning of that ep. The sight of ROC in leather jacket, with whip and knee-high boots, chomping on a cigar just kills me. :drool



I count Gabby's dance in Who's Gurkhan and Janice's entrance in The Xena Scrolls as two of my top ten sexy ROC moments in Xena. :luv



On a side note, I've been trying to find any Annie/Mattie fanfic but I suppose as these uber characters weren't as popular as Mel/Janice, there hasn't been much written about them. Anyhoo, I decided to try writing one myself...still unfinished at the moment. :buried





GG: Interesting essay about the Quest kiss and it's aftermath, I don't agree with you on a lot of your points but perhaps that's because I've watched the show from a different perspective. I was always about a year or two delayed while watching the show and I was never really involved in the online fandom. So, although I was vaguely aware there was stuff going on with TPTB and the fans, I was in a little Xena bubble and never got swept up in any controversies that arose at the time. I loved the kiss in the Quest (it was and still is one of the most powerful scenes in the entire series) but I was personally never that bothered that they didn't continue to show their physical relationship on screen after that. It was enough for me to spot the little sub/maintext moments and know that whatever they got up to together was off screen. Although, having said that (and if you'll pardon the expression) I was gagging for another kiss by S6. :lol



As for S4, 5 and 6, I first watched them pretty much one after the other (after I'd bought the DVDs) so I didn't have months or even years to ponder over the intricacies of their relationship over the course of the three seasons. I just saw Xena and Gabrielle together, enjoying the good times and battling through the bad times. Although, I do agree that Season 5 was the worst for the relationship, it did have a lot of other things going for it, Gabby gaining her sais for one.



Anyhoo, after all that rambling, I'm not sure what my point was but I think there was one in there somewhere. :confused Please feel free to ignore.



And please keep posting, posting, posting, GG, as I always enjoy reading your little insights into the series. :bow





I, too, have downloaded (what seems like) hundreds of music videos. Most are excellent, but I have split my favourites (that I would recommend) into categories, in no particular order:



DRAMATIC

Smack My Bitch Up by DJWP

Unity by Lethe River

Shaken Not Stirred by Lethe River



CHARACTERS

Gabrielle - Calendar Girl by Cruise and Let Me Entertain You by Masque

Xena - Bitch by Masque

Joxer - Skater Boy by Video Vixen and Pretty Fly by Masque



PEE PANTS FUNNY

Anything You Can Do by Jen Stamey

Camp by Video Vixen



SOULMATES

I'm With You by Masque

Beautiful by Warrior Princess Nerd

Wherever You Will Go by Linda/the Three Bards

One True Friend by DS Bauden

Touched by Warrior Princess Nerd

I Hope You Dance by Marilyn





My absolute favourite would have to be Beautiful 'cause it always makes me cry. :sob



Unfortunately, I try to stay away from any with FIN content as I haven't yet seen those eps, so I'm sure I'm missing out on a lot of great vids. One of them being Gladiators by DJWP which I watched once but couldn't again.





On to DVDs, we may have all 6 seasons out already in the UK but they have absolutely no extras, which is pretty crap IMHO. So I've been buying the Region 1 releases as well, simply to view the absolutely kick ass extras that are on them. I'm currently in Xena heaven with all the interviews, commentaries, extra scenes, etc, etc. included. :heart :party





Lastly, although I said earlier in the thread that I would never watch FIN, I have decided that I will watch it...eventually.



kw

still hoping for a Xena movie

Gabrielle: "For once, Xena, I'd like to be the Roman noble and you be the slave."

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Re: Xena fan(fic)sites

Postby loveAmber » Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:52 pm

i totaly agree with you, that dance in Who's Gurkhan of Gabrielle always takes my breath away:blush . and i really love the music during that dance..

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Xena

Postby skittles » Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:28 pm

Well, I've been taking XWP classes & I recently passes Xena 101: Introduction to Xena - Season One.



I'm now into Xena 102: Subtext(?!?!) in Season Two.



The professor is really really tough & although I didn't watch every episode in Season One.... yet, I'm not sure how many of the Season Two episodes I'll be watching in class. I just finished 'Return of Callisto' after seeing the season premier & a couple of other ones.



I'm enjoying my classes and hopefully won't flunk out if I admit that I'm not really liking Joxer.... but maybe he grows on you..... well not really grows on you, but maybe I'll like the character a little more as time goes on.



Xena & Gab?? :drool

skittles



Prepare the child for the path, not the path for the child.

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Re: Xena

Postby Gatito Grande » Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:32 pm

tough . . . but fair ;)



Goodness gracious: three posts on this thread . . . and none by me! :lol



Welcome (or welcome back) to the XWP thread, kat whisperer, loveAmber, and (my bestest bud) skittles!



kw: you've got your finger on something (oh, get your minds out of the gutter, people! :p ): when and how you viewed the show is essential to your POV on it. Seeing it in "real time" (w/ and/or w/o spoilers), as part of on-line fandom, is completely different from coming to the show later (esp. after it stopped production) on DVD (or video, as skittles has to put up w/ when watching at my place! :sigh )



In many ways, I almost wish I could have had the latter: missed all the various on-line "wars" for example: the ugly turning of so many fans against the show, which I'm convinced hastened its demise (Trek---TNG and DS9---had sorta set a standard of 7 seasons for syndicated shows, which I bet XWP would have pursued, had things not gotten so bad between show and viewers by the middle of S5, nevermind the whole season. I say this knowing, for example, that ROC was signed to 7 seasons: I'm thinking she probably would have delayed her pregnancy, had S6 not been announced as the last by October of 2000).



Ach, where was I? See how my obsession prompts me to ramble on and on? (Poor skittles! :) )



Anyway, seeing the show in Real Time was one way, and watching "after the fact" is another. I think that my essay, on how "The Quest Kiss" affected the narrative (or didn't), is intrinsically tied to that "how it affected the fandom in Real Time" dynamic (Ya wanna see 'em kiss again? Pop out the S2 DVD, and pop in the S6 one---Shazam! If only Real Time had been that immediately, uh, "satisfying" :grin )



G's dance in Gurkhan makes *EVERYBODY* stop breathing and pass out! (Hence, why it seems like it's in about 95% of music videos: and my word, kw: I think you mention some I've missed! :jaw ). I put it to you in rational, completely objective terms: is ROC's not the most totally faboo, blood-leaving-brain-for-parts-south :devilish BODY God ever put upon this Earth??? :shock . . . :blush . . . :drool . . . :thud . . . :happycry



And as for FIN: I've said more than enough. I love it the way I love Zefirelli's Romeo and Juliet, or West Side Story---which is to say, a whole lot (and w/ a whole lot of kleenex). [If I had my way, the story of the Warrior&Bard would last as long as the works of the Immortal Bard: which is to say, FOREVER! :heart Ho hum, just my druthers . . . ;) ]





GG skittles: you get to see "The Xena Scrolls," of which kw speaks, in our next meeting (hope that tempts! :grin ) Out

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Re: Xena

Postby skittles » Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:39 pm

Professor GG: Yes, it "tempts"....



I'm just very glad that I have such a good, tough (& fair) introduction to Xena. I realize that it is just an overview, but it is "annotated" quite nicely.



Not to mention the food that I get with each class!!! :grin

skittles



Prepare the child for the path, not the path for the child.

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Re: Xena

Postby Gatito Grande » Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:27 am

"annotated": is that a euphemism for GG hitting the Pause button, in order to give you some backstory, production notes, subtext underlining (Ye Olde Wagging Eyebrows), or just miscellaneous gushing?! :p



GG Word of advice to Xena Vid Makers: give "My Immortal" a rest already. Yeah, it's a great song (particularly well-suited to G and that FINal ep), but egads! I've seen at least 4 videos set to it! :rolleyes Out



Or maybe I'm just frustrated, cuz my ears ain't what they were (actually, they were always pretty bad): " . . . and I held your hand through all of these years, but you still ______ on me." WTF is she singing?! :confused (I know it's not "take a crap" :stink ) I turn it up, but I can still never make it out (if only my music videos had Closed Captioning!) :dumbo

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Re: Xena

Postby concrete » Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:11 am

G.G.; take a look at this page :)

I have many skills....

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Re: Xena

Postby skittles » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:47 pm

Well, I started my third level Xena Appreciation course on Sunday evening with Xena expert, Professor GG. There have been hints of "rifts" and great happenings... but I'm prepared for anything!!



I love adventures....

skittles



Prepare the child for the path, not the path for the child.

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Making gratuitous post . . .

Postby Gatito Grande » Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:29 am

. . . to show off my new avatar (hey, I made 1600+ posts w/o one: I think I've earned the right for a throwaway . . .)



But how is any post from me worthless now, when I have THAT image under my name? Mmmmmm-mmmm! :heart



GG Six seasons of XWP would be worth it, for Been There, Done That alone :luv Out



skittles, re Rift-y times ahead: "Instead of breaking up I wish that we were making up again . . ." They do, Trust Me! :luv2

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season 5

Postby Webberific » Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:05 am

I sort of watched this show when it was originally on the air -- okay, a few episodes during seasons 3 and 4. Off and on. I might have watched it more often if it hadn't aired at at hour when I was probably asleep, but never mind. Although I wasn't around to watch it, I did read Whoosh a lot back then (the late nineties! That sounds like a long time ago). BTW, congrats GG on being a Whoosh contributor. That's pretty cool! Interesting write-up on The Quest (which I actually saw way back when, although, I fall into the category of not having followed the series week-to-week, so the episode's effect on the overall series' arc had less effect on me as a viewer).



As someone who can get put off by really violent scenes, I didn't really enjoy the heavier episodes with a lot of torture and gory bloodshed (not to say that I didn't appreciate the effort that went into the fight scenes! I certainly did, from a filmmaking standpoint). So I imagine for something like Friend in Need (which I haven't seen), I'd more than likely be averting my eyes a lot of the time. I missed all of season 5 and 6 when they aired, and after hearing about how Rob ended it all, I didn't really want to go back to the show, really. But time has passed, and I've gotten caught up on most of the series history and what happened in the later episodes, and have been able to watch some of S6.



I do have a question for the resident hardcore nutball in this thread (GG, that's you!) and for other Xenites hanging out here: I have not seen any season 5 episodes, and from what I've read, I'm not missing out on much. Is there any episode from season 5 that you like? Or should I pretend it never happened?

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Re: Xena Season 5

Postby concrete » Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:25 am

Whilst I am not the the resident hardcore nutball I do feel sufficiently qualified to give you my opinion. First of all: May I recommend the truly excellent “Married With Fishsticks” This episode is beyond description....... However, all kidding aside, overall I did find S5 not too impressive but of course there are always episodes that are well worth watching. This is of course my personal opinion but I would say that “God Fearing Child” “Kindred Spirits” “Livia” “Eve” and “Motherhood” are worth the 42 minutes (dvd time) each. I shall leave it to the true expert now (G.G.) for a more thorough analysis. Battle On! –or something to that effect......

I have many skills....

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Re: Xena Season ?

Postby Hemiola » Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:17 pm

I don't know which season it was in, but I always recommend the episode entitled "A Day in the Life". It has many wonderful touches, such as the Greek titles (with all the American slang, it was always easy to forget that the show was supposed to be taking place in ancient Greece:wink ), as well as a terrific bath scene, in which you can see a lot more of RO'C than either she or the director intended.:drool



Little bit o' trivia: for another yummy "ancient" bathing scene, try and procure a copy of the uncensored version of C.B. DeMille's "Sign of the Cross"--Messalina's milk bath shows a lot more of Claudette Colbert than the censors were comfortable with!;)



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Re: Xena Season 5?

Postby Gatito Grande » Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:33 pm

So much flattery: how will I survive? :blush



First, re ADITL bathing scene (and amount of luscious ROC skin seen therein): upon showing this ep to skittles, recently, she exclaimed "Look, you can see her 'nude' bathing suit!" At which point, I presented the alternative theory: "That ain't no bathing suit." :shock :thud



As far as my personal perspective, I keep an Open Mind (always my default mode!): I've seen (purported) blow-up shots, which look like what Little Miles Muir will get up-close-and-personal to :p (well, perhaps Little Miles' father Steve, too, but that's simply too painful for jealous moi to consider! :lol ). At the same time, Realism counsels the probability of the "nude bathing suit" option (esp. when we know that Lucy and Renee used body doubles when mucho skin was involved: the one exception I've heard of, being that "climbing out of the tub" scene in Legacy, which is supposed to be both of their own juicy :drool derrierres).



Is that clear? :crazy



Now, as far as the-disaster-that-was-Season-Five goes: there *were* a few good eps (or at least, eps that have such good scenes in 'em, that you put up w/ the rest):



Starting w/ Fallen Angel, natch: no matter how much that cosmology pisses me off (Xena should not become a demon for the "crime" of Saving Callisto!!! :mad ), it's still a gorgeous ep to look at. Chakram has its moments (though Joxer's lovelorn-ness is constantly cringe-inducing, and there's more X/A than I'm really comfortable w/ either: though Kevin Smith is admittedly gorgeous. And I always crack up at the scene where Amnesia-Xena gets out of the tub "Hello, Ares, she---her face---is up there, NOT where your gaze is locked on!" ;) ), especially the prayer scene, and the end. Likewise, Succession has a really nice ending (i.e. a Big Ol X&G "moment," inc. a hug).



Them Bones, Them Bones is a decent ep, though many people don't like what the producers did to the character of Amarice (writer Steve Sears took his name off in protest). Jump over the heinous Chin ReGurgitated eps, and Little Problems is kind of fun: G and 'Dite are ever-so-cute together in it (and G fights really awesomely too).



Seeds of Faith is a very good ep, any way you slice it: luv it when X&G fight, then "kiss&make-up" (well, hug anyway); there's also that nice G smirk when X speaks of her child's father-figure (oh, and the "Really Big Sword" line! :grin ).





I really liked Lyre, Lyre, Hearts on Fire, though some Xenites didn't. It ain't Bitter Suite in terms of a musical, but it's still fun (just overlook the supposedly "G is jealous" stuff: Fuhgeddaboutit!). And when G is shaking it in that white bikini? :shock :drool :thud :happycry Nuff said!



Next ep you wanna see, is God Fearing Child: yeah, it may have too much Herc in it, but it's still really well done (RenPics finally got a really great Zeus, in the King of the God's final bow, in Charles Keating. Ditto the awesomeness of Meg "I-don't-need-contacts-for-godlike-eyes" Foster as Hera). The ep also has that great "lesbian-couple-w/-child" shot near the end. ;)



Amphipolis Under Siege is an outstanding ep, which introduces Paris Jefferson's terrific portrayal of Athena (w/ great lesbian subtext involving her, as well). Again, you have to overlook some X/A, but remember, a mom's gotta do what a mom's gotta do (but oh how much would I love to see Xena's mouth on someone else's nipple! :thud )



Married with Fishschticks? You're kidding, right? (Though I don't hate this ep *nearly* as much as some do)



Lifeblood and Kindred Spirits have their moments, for different reasons. In LB, it's kinda kewl to see what maybe could have been w/ the not-picked-up "Amazon High" pilot (what an awesome cast: Danielle Cormack, Claudia Black and Selma Blair! :clap ), though admittedly, the plot is pretty thin on the XWP side. KS is more of a X&G snitfest through much of it . . . though again, they do "kiss&make-up" at the end (I also happen to think that "Eris," Morgan Reece Fairhead---seen next year as yet *another* "Cyane"---is tres cute . . . but that's just me ;) ). Just try to sleep through the painful Joxer scenes, as usual. :grin



Now, we move on to the best part of S5, the end:



Antony and Cleopatra: gorgeous ep! Lucy and Renee are both :thud -worthy, throughout. Yeah, it's still subtext-problematic (Damn your weakness for bad boys, Xena! :mad ), but only temporarily (thank God). Just enjoy the scenery :drool , and the overall tweaking-history-and-Shakespeare plot.



Looking Death in the Eye, Livia, Eve and Motherhood are really one continuous four-parter (in which we FINALLY get rid of Joxer: Yay! :devilish I mean, I don't hate the guy, but enough w/ his time-wasting already :bow ). We meet the now grown-up Eve, aka Livia: Adrienne Wilkinson's portrayal is admittedly a mixed one (the "I'mmm---LIVIA!!!" line in Livia is a groaner), but she's alright, IMO (AW's particularly fetching when seen from the, uh, REAR ;) . . . but you see more of her that way in S6). I'm particularly fond of the ep Eve: for it's X&G moments, Xena's prayer (I always enjoy this---seeing X be vulnerable), and X and Livia's awesome fight (w/ its supernatural---or is it?---climax, and Livia's Realization of being "Eve").



Oy vey, Motherhood: I know Xenites who persisted through the depths of The Rift *and* the disastrous S5, who gave up the ghost w/ Motherhood's "Gab-Chak" scene (It was bad editing, I tell you! Bad editing! :happy ). Just try to get into the epic spirit of the thing, and see how Lesbian Supermom Xena copes w/ her dual crises (remember, our grrlz get "their" daughter back at the end!)



GG YMMV! Hope you enjoyed GG's "What's GOOD about S5?" review. Battle On! :bigwave Out



Or at least, just enjoy my avatar {Still in BT, DT "Sweet dreams" haze . . . }

Gatito Grande
 


Re: Xena Season 5

Postby Webberific » Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:47 am

Cool. So, the first S5 episode on my list to watch will be "Married with Fishschticks"! ;)



All kidding aside, concrete, Hemiola and GG, thanks! Great responses and they give me some highlights to look out for when the Season 5 dvds are available to borrow. I've read most of the commentary/synopses for S5 and I've seen "You Are There" so I have an idea of what happens, but of course it's not the same as seeing highlights in their original context. As for Joxer dying near the end of S5, well, I'm one of the ones who actually liked him, most of the time, so I think it'll be a sad event for me. But it'll be interesting seeing Gabby get her last major wardrobe change and moving out of the No Kill Zone and picking up sais for her signature weapons (I had wondered where/how she'd gotten them -- now I know it happened in "Chakram").



I guess I'll have to find a way to watch "ADITL" since it seems to be one of those classic episodes that perenially make the best-of Xena lists!



Of the few episodes I've seen, I agree with kat, in that my favorite is probably "Many Happy Returns" since it's sweet, romantic, and despite incredibly campy villians, still made me laugh. As for a more serious tone...I've only seen "The Ring" but based on that one, maybe the Ring Cycle trilogy.



Edited by: Webberific at: 9/1/04 3:57 am
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Re: Xena Season 5

Postby sam7777 » Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:12 pm

Quote:
Starting w/ Fallen Angel, natch: no matter how much that cosmology pisses me off (Xena should not become a demon for the "crime" of Saving Callisto!!! :mad ), it's still a gorgeous ep to look at.
GG: Agreed (in fact I agree with you alot except for FIN). In "Fallen Angel", they use some heavenly imagery from Dore's engravings for Dante's Divine Comedy which just came alive for me. Xena didn't take any religion seriously so it's hard to say they are dissing any one of them for me. I liked "Them Bones, Them Bones" but then I'm an old skeleton fan from the Ray Harryhausen flicks. Absolutely agreed on the Chin eps. In fact, I didn't care for the treatment of Asia in any of their eps quite frankly. They repeated essentially the same story in China and then Japan.



My problem with Season 5 was the whole baby thing but they had to work in Lucy Lawless' pregnancy somehow and I've seen worse treatments of a actor's pregnancy by some supposedly feminist producers. I watched "In Sickness and In Hell" today. Like "A Day in the Life', it's a fun ep. I love to laugh and the more lighthearted eps of Xena are my favs. I'd also add that ep that was a great homage to ground hog day (GG our Xena-pert will know the title). Xena was the only show that consistently surprised me and almost all the genres well from comedy to horror (very evil dead-esque thanks to Raimi) to action to romance but not tragedy. The show got less interesting to me when they got more "serious" like the Hope arc, the Livia thing and the awful ending. I found "Andventures in the Sin Trade" parts 1 and 2 to be boring. But Xena certainly had something for everyone and the best musical ep hands down IMHO. They even did fun clip shows.



I'd say by season 6, they weren't even pretending that Xena or Gabrialle had eyes for anyone else. Though it remained officially subtext, it was pretty texty to me and the best thing about Xena was that Xena and Gabrielle were the stars so focus didn't shift to other characters just when stuff was getting interesting. I really hope they do a Xena movie to reunite Xena and Gabrielle from where they left off with Gabrielle on the way to Egypt



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Comedy vs. Drama

Postby Gatito Grande » Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:23 pm

See, that's the thing, sam: there's a "to each their own" effect (i.e. our personal subjectivities, and all that shape them). I'm much more into drama :( than comedy :) : that's just my personal preference.



I'm showing skittles The Rift now, and I absolutely love it---even before it gets resolved. I don't think I'm a glutton for punishment ("Please, Mistress, may I have another?" :punish ), just that going through the darkness makes the brightness so much brighter (I was also profoundly affected by M. Scott Peck's book on community, The Different Drum: he talks about how a group comes together in a shallow form of community, and must break apart before they can move to something deeper. This concludes our sermon! ;) ) Anyway, you can see why I prize the eps (even arcs) wherein X&G fight and then make-up. :kiss2



Meanwhile, a lot of the comedies: eh. I mean I love some of 'em: my beloved Been There, Done That (*that* is the "Groundhog Day" tribute ep) from which comes my new avatar, Many Happy Returns (mentioned above), the soon-coming (for you, skittles) Fins, Femmes and Gems. Even You are There (which is from Season Six, BTW) has a lot of the funny in it. But In Sickness and in Hell is one I usually sleep through (literally, I either don't get up for it, or go back to bed, when it's on Oxy). skittles and I just got through The Debt, 2 tonight, and we'll jump right over King of Assassins, The Quill is Mightier and Warrior . . . Priestess . . . Tramp w/o missing much of anything, IMO.



But Adventures in the Sin Trade? Are you kidding? It totally ROCKS!!! :banana



GG That's what makes horseraces :peace Out



Quote:
I'd say by season 6, they weren't even pretending that Xena or Gabrialle had eyes for anyone else.




Absofreakinlutely (I insist that they are lovers no later than the end of Return of the Valkyrie), which is why S6 is my favorite :heart (S2-lovers aside).



[skittles: for a different take, you'll just have to see "sam's essential XWP eps" sometime :grin ]

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