Battlestar Galactica - The TV show

[Puff]

Last night they did a behind the scenes of this on the Sci-fi channel and the show itself starts on December the 8th at 9pm on Sci-fi.



It looked so cool.



They have changed several major things. One of them is that Starbuck is going to be female. Boomer is female as well. The Cylons are going to look like humans as they have evolved, no more crome and red light.



I'm looking forward to the show, I think the changes are really good and I don't mind a female Starbuck at all...although I would prefer her to still seduce women



Here's the link to the website for the show Battlestar Galactica

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So, the day started and I knew my name and had my pants on. So far, so good. Yay.
Amber Benson

[dekalog]

so does that mean that Cassiopeia is going to get some gay loving?

[xita]

Oooh, I am looking forward to that. I was a little kid when that was on before. I enjoyed it. I think that behind the scenes thing airs tonight again. I remember looking at a comments when it was announced those two characters would be played by women. You would have thought the world had ended. I think there are old fans committed to hating the show because of that. It's really sad.

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Edited by: xita  at: 11/28/03 9:25 am

[J uk]

The old fans of the show plan to hate it because it has nothing to do with the sequel Richard Hatch (Apollo) was pushing. He spent a fortune on making an apparently amazing trailer for it, but you can only see that at cons.



The only review of the new show I've seen hated it:

www.aint-it-cool-news.com...i?id=16490

[Hemiola]

Like dekalog, I too will be very interested to learn what they intend to do with the concept of a "socialator", which JW ripped off so badly in his own ill-conceived sci-fi project

[sam7777]

I like the TV series but was never a big fan. That said, the thing that bothers me the most about the remake is Ronald D. Moore's condescending 'tude towards the fans:

A battle for 'Galactica's' soul

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You'd swear the collective groan from diehard fans of the original Battlestar Galactica could be heard in the next galaxy.



But Ronald D. Moore, writer/producer of a new Battlestar Galactica miniseries for the Sci Fi Channel (9 p.m. tomorrow and Tuesday), isn't listening.



"There are certainly hardcore fans of Galactica [1978-79] that are just never going to give it a chance," said Moore of his sequel, which keeps the basic plot but turns the cast of characters on its head. "I have sympathy for the fact that they're upset but, I also know they're a very, very small audience."

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Geez I've done the misunderstood by the fans genius crap with . It's a shame the Bryan Singer version never got made (though I'd rather see him do X-men). I'm not a Moore fan from back in my trekker days. He was part of the brain trust that did one of my least favorite trek movies: Star Trek: Generations.



Contrast his attitude with Peter Jackson's on LOTR. Jackson drew alot of ire from Tolkien fans for skipping Tom Bombadil (ok with me as I try to repress that chapter in the book). Still he made an effort to be a true to the story as he could within the constraints of making it cinematic. He gave some Tom Bombadil dialogue to Treebeard in the extended cut of Two Towers for those fans.



Starbuck being a woman doesn't bother me but her being a stereotype does. BTW she's going to have a thing for Apollo so I doubt she'll be gay. More's the pity as that would be cool. I think we need more women (with some control) to write women on TV:



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The most noteworthy casting change involves giving Katie Sackhoff the role of the hero's cocky, macho best pal, Starbuck, a part played in the original series by Dirk Benedict. I don't object to the gender switch per se -- as I think I've indicated, this material isn't exactly "Othello" -- but it's worth noting that as clichéd and one-note as Starbuck was, the producers of the original series gave him a dignity they deny to this new version.



As written by Moore, Sackhoff's character is a strutting sex fantasy, as robotic in her way as the Cylon seductress. This Starbuck is objectified by her demeanor, wardrobe and sex-laced dialogue in a way that Benedict's Starbuck -- a sexist goofball with quick wit and a big heart -- never was. If this is progress, count me out.

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I'm giving this one a miss and taping some stuff on the History channel instead.

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Edited by: sam7777  at: 12/8/03 10:13 pm

[BBOvenGuy]

Ronald D. Moore has been like that ever since his Trek days. And unlike , he won a Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo before they decided to give TV shows their own category instead of making them compete against movies.



Meanwhile, I caught Part I of the new Galactica tonight, and I actually liked it. No, it's not the original show. It doesn't try to be, nor should it. And as for the female Starbuck, I don't know what show the Star-Ledger critic was watching, because she didn't strike me as "a strutting sex fantasy." Not in the least. Maybe she does that in Part II...?

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

[sam7777]

Though I sympathize with BG fans, I don't agree with them. I think that changes are essential to put the show on the air now. What I don't care for is Moore's 'tude towards the fans who must receive some credit for keeping the BG name alive since the 70's. I know what it's like to be part of a marginalized fan group that gets contempt from a show's creator so I can't help but feel their pain. In any case, I'm not in the demos SciFi channel so no loss to them. I'd be suprised if the mini-series didn't get good enough ratings to launch a series.



There are so many great SCiFi ideas out there but all we get is space ship shows.

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Edited by: sam7777  at: 12/9/03 2:05 pm

[sam7777]

Bob: I fear that I'm not as willing to cut Ronald Moore slack as you are. I know that I didn't care for him at all or his 'tude as a trekker. Other writers on Trek were in the same position but still didn't develop that kind of 'tude (except Brannon Braga, the other trek writer on my shit list).



I see Moore dissing the fans months before the show even airs and saying that the new BG is not for them is a way that TNG never did with trekkies. For example, TNG kept Roddenberry around for a season and Moore could have done more with Larson to throw a bone to the BG fans. So I still put him in the category. Unlike , Moore may have won a Hugo the right way but he still hasn't gotten his own "vision" on primetime but instead is working with Roddenberry's and Glen Larson's ideas. But this is veering way off topic so I'll stop. The basic thing is it would take alot to make me watch a space ship show after umpteenth years as a trekker and Moore ain't it.

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Edited by: sam7777  at: 12/9/03 3:42 pm

[BBOvenGuy]

Well, remember that Ron Moore's first major gig was with Star Trek: TNG, where there were legions upon legions of fans who had decades' worth of opinions on how the show should be done before he even walked in the front door. I think he's developed that attitude almost as a defense mechanism.



That makes him different from , who apparently wanted to start abusing the fans before he even had any fans to abuse (i.e. the business about putting Jessie in the opening credits of the pilot so he could shock everyone by killing Jessie off right away).

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

[BBOvenGuy]

See, this is where I'm of two minds. As an author, I'm repulsed by the thought that someone could someday turn one of my books into something completely different from what I'd written. But as a former screenwriter, I know I wouldn't want some author hovering over me and interfering with my ability to tell my story my way. That's why the advice commonly given to writers thinking about going to Hollywood is that unless you're in a position to have total control over an adaptation project, the best thing to do is simply take the money and run - your work is your work, and the adaptation is someone else's work, and the two don't meet in your mind.



Mind you, I've never said that Joss couldn't tell his story his way. My objection to Joss is that he lied to vulnerable people for his own gain and laughed at those people when his lies hurt them. I would only have put Ron Moore in that category if he had deliberately tried to entice the old-time Galactica fans to watch when he knew all along that he wasn't going to give them what they wanted.



Or if he'd made Boomer a lesbian, of course...



Oh, and speaking of Gene Roddenberry, they didn't just "keep him around" for a season. He was in charge - the Great Bird of the Galaxy, the head honcho, the big cheese. Rick Berman didn't get the chance to take over until Gene's health started failing.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

[Gatito Grande]

This is an eye-of-the-beholder thang. When the original BG came on, I just took a look at the publicized characters and costumes, and saw it as poorly-disguised Star Wars rip-off (plus Lorne Green: hardly Lawrence Olivier!) and didn't watch it.



Version 2.0 w/ female cigar-smokin' cocksure-type? I'm all over that like white on rice!



Having now seen it, I thought it was pretty good. I didn't exactly get the motivations of the femme-bot (such a fun phrase to say!), but maybe that's the point: gotta save something for the series (as opposed to the mini-), if that's what it's for.



I think Katee Sackhoff did a very credible job as Starbuck (those shoulders: woof! ): the sexuality options alone make my head spin. Did anyone else get a thrill when she alluded to the grouchy ExO's wife? And if she has to fool around w/ the boys, I prefer to see her as "daddy" to the departed younger brother! (Ah, what the heck: I think she's just a Big Ol' Bi, sorta like Yours Truly ) Hey, speaking of flashbacks, was anyone else sorta reminded of Tasha Yar?



Boomer was seriously cute too (though of course that ending raises all kinds of foreboding questions---I prefer to see her as a sleeper. Hopefully, she won't end up like B5's Talia Winters in that regard!)



I also think that Olmos and McDonnell did good jobs as the leads. Was anyone else surprised that she didn't tell him about her cancer at the end?



For that matter, what's w/ this universe anyway? Faster-than-light "jumps" (and apparently artificial gravity), yet the persistence of cancer (Boo! ), and all this low-tech stuff like non-networked computers, w/ *paper* no less? (Are any of you Kittens besides me old enough to remember computer punchcards . . . besides the ones used in Florida elections, that is!). Weird, weird, weird.



GG While I don't remember the original series, I *do* remember a t-shirt that a guy I knew in high school wore: it showed a condom flying through space, w/ the title Battlestar Prophylactica! Out

[urnofosiris]

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I would only have put Ron Moore in that category if he had deliberately tried to entice the old-time Galactica fans to watch when he knew all along that he wasn't going to give them what they wanted.

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Agreed, to me, he would have to do far worse than whatever he has done to be likened to Anyway, I remember the original series quite well eventhough I was only 9 or so when they aired it here. I watched it every week and I even skipped a total lunar ecclipse in favour of a BG episode. It would be interesting to see this new version. The changes I read about here seem like good ones, to me anyway. The two things I remember not liking about BG back then were the tin can looking cylons and Starbuck. I really did not like Starbuck, so I am very happy Starbuck is a woman now. I do miss the name of Athena though, did I miss it? Is she in the show?

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[BBOvenGuy]

According to Yahoo! News, part 2 of Battlestar Galactica beat both UPN and the WB last night, scoring 4.5 million viewers. Only Taken and Dune have done better in the history of the SciFi Channel.



Looks like we could have a series in our future...

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

[Puff]

Due to sleepiness etc I was only able to finish watching the series last night. I have too say that I thought it was ok, it was a lot different than the original but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I honestly didn't see the ending the way ot happened so that was good that it was still a surprise.



The story itself moved pretty slowly but it had some good moments and the effects were pretty cool. I loved the music. I'd be interested in watching a series as they left so much open ended. I'm glad it did well.

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So, the day started and I knew my name and had my pants on. So far, so good. Yay.
Amber Benson

[Warduke]

I was a big fan of the original one, I even had a bunch of BG toys. So when I heard about this one, I was pretty sure because of all the big changes that I wouldn't like it. But I saw it last night and I actually enjoyed it.



An interesting twist at the end about Boomer, who is seriously cute

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[Gatito Grande]

So we're agreed, Brian?



GG . . . already projecting the Ivanova-Talia Winters 'ship we were denied on B5, onto Starbuck-Boomer! Out

[BBOvenGuy]

The SciFi Channel has now announced that Battlestar Galactica is being picked up for at least 13 episodes. You can read articles about the new series here:



www.scifi.com/scifiwire/a.../12.00.sfc

www.scifi.com/scifiwire/a.../13.30.sfc

www.scifi.com/scifiwire/a.../13.00.sfc

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

[TaraWannabe]

Hi, I was a huge fan of the old show (even went to the 20 Yahren reunion in LA in 98) but my interest kinda wore off over the last couple of years.



I had mixed feelings about the new show and didn't like the part of the second episode that I saw (I saw maybe half of it -- totally forgot it was on and stumbled across it by accident). In particular, the changes they made to Baltar bugged me. Furthermore, it had too much of an 'earthy' feeling like many sci-fi shows lately. I mean, this is a culture that is supposed to be cut-off from any contact to Earth for the last 5000 years but the costumes look like from Babylon 5 or even my neighbor's business suit. The old show made more of an effort with regard to that.



Anyway, if it gets picked up I will check it out from time to time but can't see myself becoming a fan of this.



Did they include Rigel?



TW

[xita]

I was no "fan" of the original, I watched it here and there. I just managed to catch the movie NBC aired. I didn't catch the original miniseries but it's airing later in the week so I'd like to watch it. I really enjoyed what they showed on NBC. It had the type of realism that Babylon 5 showed and has the guts to just go out there like that show. I enjoyed it a lot. I got ruined on sci fi by the last 2 star trek shows, bleh. I am going to be catching the series. Boomer is cute, yes. But Starbuck, wow, butch! Too bad she seems straight but hey, she's really butch. I'll take that.

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[BBOvenGuy]

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Boomer is cute, yes. But Starbuck, wow, butch! Too bad she seems straight but hey, she's really butch. I'll take that.

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This has been mentioned elsewhere, but I'll throw it in here as well - Katie Sackhoff, who plays Starbuck, was also in Amber's episode of Cold Case last season.

"The stories we tell - that's us explaining how we think the world works. Once we speak it, once we say it aloud, that makes it real for us - and real for everyone else who hears it too. When we tell a story, we invite people to visit our reality. We invite them to move in. Our stories are the reality we live in." - David Gerrold, The Martian Child

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 1/10/05 1:16 pm

[Sheridan]

Ah for once we actually get the edge here in the UK. Personally loving the new series. The effects are cool, the acting is good, the Cylons are strange, and Baltar is insane. Richard Hatch has clearly made his peace as he appears in two episodes to date as a convict. Not going to give away any spoilers but I would say 6 and 10 are among the best eps so far, and feature a lot of Starbuck.

Oh and I'm not alone in enjoying it, every week for the last month or more the Radio Times has made it top of it's Monday satellite and cable highlights, so someone there is clearly in to it.

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Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

Edited by: Sheridan at: 1/11/05 3:30 am

[xita]

Ooh, Bob, I'll have to check it out, thank goodness I saved it on my hard drive



Sheridan, wow, I didn't know it was already airing in the UK. Good to hear it's gong well.

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[Sheridan]

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Sheridan, wow, I didn't know it was already airing in the UK. Good to hear it's gong well.

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The only one who isn't wholly happy is Ronald D Moore; he's been asking people in the US not to download it. I think he's fretting over nothing though, most people who download tend to watch the show when it broadcasts and positive word of mouth will outweigh any negative effect. Katie Sackoff was also in the last ever 'Boomtown', ironically playing a struggling actress looking for her big break...

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Warduke]

From Sci-Fi...

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SCI FI Renews Galactica



SCI FI Channel has ordered a second season of its hit series Battlestar Galactica, which has aired five episodes of its first season of 13 episodes. Details of the renewal—including which cast members will return, how many episodes will be produced and when the second season will commence—were still being worked out at press time.



Battlestar Galactica has been a ratings winner for SCI FI since its Jan. 14 premiere. The latest episode, Feb. 4's "You Can't Go Home Again," scored the show's best ratings yet, with 3.2 million viewers.



For the show's second season, creator and executive producer Ronald D. Moore previously told SCI FI Wire that he has already been working on as many as six new scripts to resolve the multiple cliffhangers that will end season one. Moore added that he wants to delve deeper into the show's religious themes and open up the Cylon world a bit more in the coming season. Moore continues to post his thoughts on a personal blog on SCIFI.COM. Battlestar Galactica airs Fridays at 10 p.m. ET/PT, part of the channel's SCI FI Fridays lineup.

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[Sheridan]

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SCI FI Channel has ordered a second season of its hit series Battlestar Galactica

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Excellent news! been chewing my fingernails since it finished in the UK in case they didn't and we were left hanging forever.

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

[Gatito Grande]

This is great! (the renewal . . . and the show!)



GG Starbuck Rules! Out

[sheila wt]

That's great!



At least I'll still have one sci-fi show to watch when Enterprise is gone...

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Sheila

[SySnootles]

I'm personally excited by the prospect of seeing more of the Cylon homeworld... hopefully we'll get to see some of the older Centurion models preforming some menial tasks.



I am also anxious to find out whether there are more cylons in the fleet (other than Boomer). I'm putting my money on Billy.

Catie



When I'm 130 years old, I want a pill that makes me so happy and so unself-conscious and so randy I'm willing to make love to my fuzzy bed slippers on my front lawn and yodel at the same time. -- Scott Adams from Dilbert and the way of the Weasel

[SySnootles]

I'm surprised that this thread is as quiet as it is... especially with the last episode and all. The "revelation," I mean.



Thank goodness there is at least one show I look forward to during the week. It's been too long....

Catie



When I'm 130 years old, I want a pill that makes me so happy and so unself-conscious and so randy I'm willing to make love to my fuzzy bed slippers on my front lawn and yodel at the same time. -- Scott Adams from Dilbert and the way of the Weasel