Veronica Mars

[Incarnadine]

The trailer for next weeks episode featuring Alyson can be found here:



www.upn.com/video/promo_v...mars.shtml

Veronica Mars: Look at you, all helpful.

Logan Echols: Hey, your peskiness being unleashed on Conner brings me joy. Annoy, tiny blonde one, annoy like the wind!

[The Rose24]

Back-Up reappears in this ep for those who miss him.



Veronica and Logan. Yuck! I feel so sorry for Deputy Leo, but I knew he was going to end up getting hurt. He is the perfect guy for Veronica. *Sigh*



Weevil is not Lily's killer. This eliminates one suspect. Honestly, I don't know who it is. Lots of interesting developments in this ep.



I am glad Trina's boyfriend gets what he deserves. I am guessing he won't be bothering her anymore.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

[ringwaldoeuvre]

I've recently delurked and saw there was a Veronica Mars thread, so I thought I'd throw my hat into the discussion ring.



The thing I like about Veronica Mars is the darkness of high school life, a la "Heathers," combined with snappy dialogue and the compelling "Twin Peaks"-style mystery.



I like Logan. Not as a person... I don't know that I would be friends with him in real life, but he is a great character, and Jason Dohring has chemistry with everybody. His dressing as Tom Cruise at the 80's dance, calling JTT "Jump Street," all wonderful in my book. Perhaps that is why I'm okay with Veronica/Logan. I don't think it will last, because Logan is a little crazy and all, but they do have amazing chemistry on screen. That said, poor Deputy Leo. He was a great mensch, and I hope he doesn't disappear. Veronica needs a friend in the police force that isn't a f$#&face.



Tonight's episode had more Weevil than we've seen in weeks. Thank the Lord. He's such a dynamic character, and has a great way of bringing out the edge in otherwise cool, collected characters. Also glad he seems to have not killed Lilly, because then we really wouldn't see much of him. Of course, a lot can happen in three episodes, so who knows. I am really intrigued about the contents of the pen. I'm leaning toward a member of the Kane family, but I don't think we can safely eliminate anyone from the list of suspects.



So, I wanted to pose a question: what are Veronica's weaknesses? She always seems fairly calm and together, solving mysteries and providing witty retorts, but she is a little bit too perfect. There's got to be something wrong with her (not that it has anything to do with Kristin Bell's acting, which is wonderful), and I'm having a hard time coming up with what that might be. Perhaps she's over-confident? Doesn't respect limits? Even if she is over-confident, she is usually not wrong in her aggressive actions, and her father isn't particularly persuasive in telling her to chill. I feel that intriguing drama needs characters that aren't infallible, and I can't figure out her malfunction. Does she have one?

Edited by: Warduke at: 4/20/05 8:01 am

[Warduke]

Great to see Back-Up again, love that dog



When Trina's dad was talking to her and didn't even mention her black eye, I thought, either he's got something up his sleeve, or he's blind. Nice to see he wasn't oblivious. Man, he laid a pretty good ass woopin' on that guy. That was a lot of fun to watch



I'm glad she broke up with Leo. I know he's a nice guy and not much older than her, but I still don't like the idea of a cop dating a high school kid. But I don't want her with Logan either, although his jabs at Trina are always funny.



And now Veronica's dad is sending away for a DNA test to see who her biological father is. I really hope it's him.



This show is just amazing. I'm really glad Kathy talked me into watching it. I can't wait for the reruns to start so I can catch up on those episodes that I missed.

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Firefox: One Browser To Rule Them All.

[seurat]

I don't think it will turn out that Weevil did it either, but we did learn that his alibi is no longer much good since we know Lilly was killed later than originally thought. And of course, it could easily be that Duncan's parents are covering for him because they assume he's guilty, not because he actually did it.(i still think it will not turn out to be Duncan or Weevil either.) I'd love to know what message was in the pen too, at least we'll know soon. As usual I really enjoyed the secondary story of the dog-napping ring, and I liked the way they handled her breakup with Leo, very classy and she still gets the favor she needs from him. Aly was great, no surprise, let's hope we see more of her next season. I kind of like Veronica/Logan, and suspect they'll be, if not always together, then certainly complicating each others lives for some time to come.

"Life's complications and frustrations/they disappear when the music starts playing/I found a place where it feels alright/I hear a record and it opened my eyes/do you remember what the music meant?" - Speakers Push Air, Pretty Girls Make Graves

Edited by: seurat at: 4/19/05 10:41 pm

[The Rose24]

The flaw I see in Veronica is bad boys. Deputy Leo is excluded.



Re: The Drug Dealer(What was his name?) Logan(ewww).



Veronica also seems a little arrogant at times. I think someone already mentions this.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

[Ben Varkentine]

Re Trina's boyfriend getting what he deserved--I wasn't crazy about the "ironic" song chosen for background, but yeah, it was fun to watch. Except for one thing. Wouldn't that guy be running straight to the tabloid papers/web sites/TV shows selling the story of how a movie star beat him up? If that doesn't come back to bite Mr. Echols in the ass I'll consider it a loose thread.



I like Veronica with Logan a lot better than deputy jailbait (I seem to be a minority about that here), but I hope they'll keep Leo as a recurring character anyway. I agree with Seurat about the breakup scene, classy is a good word for it--especially because she told him before asking for the favor, she didn't get one last thing out of him first and then dump him.



I never saw Veronica/Logan coming, but when they kissed last week it seemed surprisingly right to me. Now I've just got my fingers crossed that Thomas doesn't have a twist in store for me, like Logan being the guy who raped her. It's a little crazy, but I think that would bug me more than him being the guy who killed Lilly.



I loved Veronica this week shutting that guy down in the hall, with nothing but righteous indignation. That's my hero!

Ben



"We are strong now/Put down the ammunition/For what we know is right/Is gonna breakdown this division"

--Erasure, "It Doesn't Have To Be"

Edited by: Warduke at: 4/20/05 8:01 am

[BBOvenGuy]

I hate to say it, but I wasn't all that impressed with Aly's performance. It feels like they haven't decided what kind of character she's supposed to be playing. Maybe that will get ironed out if she comes back for Season 2.



Meanwhile, next week we get more of Tina Majorino as Mac, who for all practical purposes could be Willow Rosenberg's cynical cousin.

"...what we leave behind us is, in fact, not our opinions but our examples." - Christopher Isherwood

Edited by: BBOvenGuy  at: 4/20/05 1:11 pm

[ringwaldoeuvre]

I agree Veronica is a little arrogant, as stated before, but I wasn't sure if that was considered a real weakness, or a negligible characteristic. She doesn't seem to get checked on her arrogance, and I'm wondering if it's ever going to go from a charming trait to a dangerous trait. I also agree she does have a taste for bad boys, but again the writers don't treat it as a weakness, they make it a natural and cool part of her persona. Or do they? Am I misinterpreting something?



The more I thought about it, the more I realized that Veronica/Logan (Veronogan or Logonica, to put in my own attempt at a TWoP-style 'ship name) may not have been so far-fetched. Veronica worked with Logan for a few weeks, getting entrenched in his personal life and learning that he had vulnerabilities that were not evident at first glance. She did comfort him in the hotel lobby after he found Trina using his mother's credit card, and it makes sense that they could at least become close friends, if not boyfriend and girlfriend.



I am compelled to echo the sentiment that Alyson Hannigan was not as good as I had hoped. I totally dug her performance in the first episode, but this seemed flat. If they make her character a mainstay, I can see Aly really getting into the character and doing much better, but it didn't jazz me like the "Ruskie Business."



Saw Kristin Bell in "Reefer Madness," and let me say: girl has some pipes. She's quite a talented singer/dancer, and she was hilarious in all the right places. She's so classy, whether or not she's playing Veronica Mars.

[urnofosiris]

Veronica has been overly confident at times and put herself and others in danger because of it, like when she was leading those Russia maffia guys or whoever they were to that so called lost boyfriend she was trying to find for that supposedly sad Russian woman. She made a big mistake there because she was a bit too much of a know it all and did not listen to her father. She is a fascinating character and Kristen Bell is an absolutely fantastic actress. I have not seen her in any other roles, but if I get the chance I will make sure to check out her other work.



I like Veronica and Logan together. I never disliked him, even when he was being an utter bastard to her, they gave him enough depth to show he was more than just the standard popular bully guy. Even when they were fighting there was (almost) always this reluctant respect, at least on his side. The last few months with Veronica helping him find out what happened to his mother, their pre-existent friendship-hate relationship, their mutual loss of Lily, the chemistry they have, made this a not totally unexpected development.



I enjoyed this episode, well that is standard really, there has not been an episode of this show that I have not liked. I was mostly pre-occupied with the question of whether Chester was alive or not than anything else. I was really happy about the cheesy happy ending we got there, I would have been very bummed if the dog had really been dead.

[Sheridan]

Having seen all the post here I've *ahem* collected several episodes to watch this weekend. For the longer term and whether Aly makes regular appearances I would imagine that depends on the pilot she just did. Any word on that yet?

Willow: ...I have to tell you....

Tara: No, I understand you have to be with the person you l-love

Willow: I am

[The Rose24]

Quote:

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I like Veronica with Logan a lot better than deputy jailbait (I seem to be a minority about that here), but I hope they'll keep Leo as a recurring character anyway. I agree with Seurat about the breakup scene, classy is a good word for it--especially because she told him before asking for the favor, she didn't get one last thing out of him first and then dump him.

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Deputy Leo is 20 and Veronica is 17. This is legal.

Tara: My heart doesn't stutter.


Tara: Willow, I got so lost.

Willow: I found you. I will always find you.

[ringwaldoeuvre.]

Here is an article about Alyson's latest sitcom that I read a couple weeks ago:

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_ma ... 1|,00.html

I'm a bit skeptical, only because it is her third sitcom signing in as many years. It would be great to get weekly doses of Alyson Hannigan, regardless of the network.

I completely blanked on the Russian mafia, DrG. Good point. My question should not be interpreted as slander against Kristin Bell, simply curiosity. She is fabulous.

[urnofosiris]

I did not interpret your question as such , I added my own praise for her to, well, praise her. I love the character, flaws and all and I am really impressed with the actress.

[frumpycat]

I was rather disappointed with AH's performance on the last episode as well. And I wish they'd make her look more like the wannabe starlet character she's supposed to be. I think when she had long hair, more of a tan right after BTVS ended she looked more in character than now with the short hair (even tho I love short hair on AH).



I'm also bummed b/c the first episode she was in she seemed kind of tough. I was hoping the character of Trina would develop into more of a "Vampire Willow" kind of character. Aloof, snarky, tough, and prone to outbursts of nastiness. This character seems really weak and whiney.

[Ben Varkentine]

Quote:

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Deputy Leo is 20 and Veronica is 17. This is legal.

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I don't think so. Not in California. Not unless the laws have changed since I was 18 and dating a 16-year-old...

Ben



"We are strong now/Put down the ammunition/For what we know is right/Is gonna breakdown this division"

--Erasure, "It Doesn't Have To Be"

[DrG.]

Just out of curiosity, would not dating be ok as long as they don´t have the sex, heh. I am glad Veronica commented on their age difference a few episodes ago to at least acknowledge the possible hmm (I lack a good word that is not too negative) factor. A couple of years from now there would not be any hmm to it, but I am glad they moved away from this relationship for the time being. The deputy is a good guy, but he can wait a little longer.
I doubt Logan and Veronica will last, but for now it is interesting and I am curious to see how this season will end. I am guessing the cliffhanger Kristen Bell talked about will be the results of the DNA test.

[The Rose24]

I knew it! I knew it! I knew it was a bad idea dating Logan!

West Coasters will see what I am talking about when you watch the ep.

Do you still approve of Logan/Veronica?

As always, Veronica is great, and I hope Mac will become a regular.

[Warduke]

Another great episode. This show is just plain awesome.

As good as the episode was, it was the preview for next week's episode that was killer. This is gonna be good!

[ringwaldoeuvre]

So like, you guys? That episode was off the hook.

I am ambivalent about Veronica/Logan, only because I want to withhold judgement until we get more details next week. Things aren't looking so good, but I also don't know that I trust that scumbag tied to a flagpole. I really like how the writers used most of the episode to build up the idea that Logan was going to measure up to Veronica and things were going well, and then totally twist it at the end. I feel used, and I think I need a hug.

[urnofosiris]

Interesting plot developments. That creepy Kane security guy reminds me of the cancer man from the X-files. Sitting in the dark being all menacing and mysterious. Brrr.
I am interested to hear what Logan´s side of the story is there. The tattoo on the back of that guy cracked me up. Nice detail, of course he can have it tatooed over, but he had that coming. Very nice to see more of Mac.

[seurat]

I have to go back in the thread and see who mentioned the idea that Logan might be responsible for the rape, because they sure are pointing us his way now aren't they? But remember this is not a simplistic show and they do surprise us, so I'm also withholding judgement on Logan for now. I really realy like Mac and have from the first, a well-rounded sympathetic character that we need to see more from. I was a little creeped out by the Kane security guy too, and I still have a feeling he's going to more involved in Lily's murder than we've been told. Hopefully she'll see through what he's trying to do in turning her against Keith, and I can't wait until he hears about this. Should be fun. Kinda sad there's only two more ep's this season, but it looks like they'll be great. Now if only they'd stop running promos for that repellent Britney reality show that's going to take over the timeslot, every time I see it I get the urge to throw things at the screen.

[The Rose24]

Even if it turns out that Logan isn't the one who assaults Veronica, he is still partially responsible by supplying the drugs.

[bytrsuite]

Veronica Mars on DVD news
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3351

DVDs may arrive this fall, but with no extras.

[Warduke]

On one hand, great news. On the other, no extras

[Incarnadine]

On one hand, great news. On the other, no extras

The old trick all studios use. Never, ever buy the DVD when it first comes out. 1st release is bare bones then about 3 months later there will be a version with a bunch of extras then maybe 6 months after that they will come out with another version with more extras, deleted scenes, cast commentary and maybe previews from the upcoming season. Its gotten so predictable yet people still rush out to get a new DVD then complain that they should have waited for the next version.

[Incarnadine]

Absolutely freaking awesome episode. I won't get into spoilers but of all the possible scenarios of what happened the night Veronica was drugged and "raped" I never even conceived of the actual events but somehow it was resolved without leaving me feeling cheated. If the solution to Lily's murder is half as clever and satifying it'll easily be the best season finale this year.

[The Rose24]

One Question:

Who on here still trusts Logan?

Will be back later when everyone has seen the ep.

[ringwaldoeuvre]

That was another awesome episode. Loved the Rashoman-esque flashbacks, they were so artfully done. Funny how Dick almost always came out like a jerk, while the rest were ambivalent. I agree that the resolution to Veronica's rape didn't make me feel cheated, which makes me psyched to see next week's episode.

I'm torn about Logan. On the one hand, what was going on with those cameras? Were those his, or his father's? We know he has it in him to do that, but his revelation really threw me at the end. He was honest with Veronica before they did anything. He did not have to tell her, and it wouldn't have been all that surprising if he had not, but the fact that he came clean before they consummated makes him slightly less awful. Also, he seemed genuine when he gave his friends the ultimatum at the party. I am tempted to take a 3-strikes approach, but I haven't been keeping score. At this point, I would say I have negative feelings, but I will reserve my harsh feelings until all is revealed next week. I will say this for the Veronica Mars team: they really know how to make drama that can have so many interpretations.

Is it just me, or did Kristen Bell act the hell out of that episode? She had just the right balance of humor and intensity, at all the right places. That girl can cry. Also, loved Weevil at the beginning and at the end. Of course, I almost always love the Weevil.

[blue eyed girl]

That was a fantastic episode. The resolution to who "raped" Veronica was not at all what I expected but I also don't feel cheated by it. Those writers sure do know how to throw a curveball. This makes me excited for the next week episode.

I am not sure about trusting Logan. This show has so many twists in it that it is hard to pass judgement on him with just seeing the cameras. Plus as ringwaldoeuvre already pointed out he was very truthful at the end. Should be interesting to see how he explains this one.

I loved the cliffhanger on this episode.